Wheat War I is going to be World War III

[Cryptock]

Wheat war will be the third world war, most likely if European countries will definitely be a big problem, because wheat is their staple food, if the war can't be stopped it will definitely be a disaster for all countries, even though my country does not make wheat as a source of food. staple food but the impact of the war weighed heavily on us, all basic commodities went up, unemployment increased and our economy was very weak.

There is so much suffering and misery in the world, Heart aches all the time seeing people dying of malnutrition.
The bans and sanction on Russia will go long way. Russia is one of the largest wheat producing county and it would not be an easy task cutting ties with Russia.

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[pooya87]

Russia is one of the largest wheat producing county and it would not be an easy task cutting ties with Russia.

It is not just Russia though, it is also Ukraine and all the others that are putting fuel in the fire like India that recently banned exports and I recently learned that Indonesia had banned their Palm oil exports (which they may change these days) which caused the prices to soar and to the point that cooking oil was nowhere to be found in some countries such as Germany.

[Zlantann]

It is very disheartening that Russia is now using starvation as a weapon of war. I am not surprise because they used the same food blockage in Syria and many of opposition strongholds starved to death. The capturing of the Port of Odesa and other key ports was a calculated and planned war strategy to starve the world of agricultural products thereby forcing the West and it's partners to review sanctions imposed on them. This blockade has stopped almost a hundred foreign vessels shipping agricultural produce through the Black Sea from sailing. One of the greatest challenge NATO and its allies is facing is that Russian still has strong sympathisers that are willing to be used as instruments to make these Russian strategies work perfectly.

[be.open]

It is very disheartening that Russia is now using starvation as a weapon of war. I am not surprise because they used the same food blockage in Syria and many of opposition strongholds starved to death. The capturing of the Port of Odesa and other key ports was a calculated and planned war strategy to starve the world of agricultural products thereby forcing the West and it's partners to review sanctions imposed on them. This blockade has stopped almost a hundred foreign vessels shipping agricultural produce through the Black Sea from sailing. One of the greatest challenge NATO and its allies is facing is that Russian still has strong sympathisers that are willing to be used as instruments to make these Russian strategies work perfectly.

Ukraine mined the exits from the port, fearing a Russian landing on Odessa. And now Russia is to blame for the fact that Ukraine cannot export 20 million tons of grain to Europe, which will cause famine in Ukraine itself, because this year's sowing campaign is actually disrupted. Logically.

[Lucius]

Bruh, what? The EU is the net exporter of food, seriously, where do you get this idea?
Let's assume you have ignored by previous post and the links in it, what does the EU import in such quantities, coffee, bananas, and macadamia nuts?

It seems that I misjudged the situation when it comes to certain products, all because more or less everything is imported in my country - milk, beans, beef and pork, potatoes... Somehow it seems to me that despite the rather large agricultural areas that are poorly cultivated or not cultivated at all, without imports we would be in a rather difficult situation. When a country loses 400 000 inhabitants in 10 years and has an anti-national policy led by former communists and their children who hate the country in which they live, then it is no wonder that we are so dependent on imports.

That's true Putin has managed to unite the whole of Europe better than ever.
The army has become so scared of the warmongers pushing them to dos stupid things that finally, Kremlin has given the green light to Khodarenok to come in prime time on Russian state TV and tell them Russia can't fight another war,  telling again and again, each day things they don't want to hear

It seems to be exactly as you describe, but I wonder if the Russians were not aware that their moves would result in just such a development? Many parallels can be drawn between the war that began in 1991 when Serbia invaded Croatia, occupied 1/3 of the country and killed thousands of innocent civilians - while the siege of Mariupol lasted almost identically to the siege of Vukovar. After all, the Serbs were defeated militarily and politically, although they realized a plan to expand their territory by gaining 49% of the territory of Bosnia and Herzegovina that they want to annex to Serbia.

I think the goal of the war was to destroy Ukraine in terms of infrastructure and economics and to increase the occupied territories in the east - while the attack on Kyiv and northern Ukraine was just a smokescreen and a distraction of Ukrainian forces.

[so98nn]

Wow, so much is going all over the world. The fact that India stopped exporting is not because of any insider job/decision, it's merely step back to keep up the internal food scarcity from worsening. If India keeps exporting then they have nothing to loose but gain more in the IMF and make the Rupee stronger. However, many of them think it's because of Russia-India relationship which is making them to go this route. Its entirely wrong. Situation in India is poor in terms of weather. The whole nation is suffering from all time high heat until now and some regions are surprisingly hit by worst monsoon ever!

The problem is, every region and local farmer knows the weather cycle as they keep farming every year. Since couple of years weather has changed so many cycles that the crop which is suitable this month is either getting too much water, too much sunlight or too much cold (spreaded across nation) and thus crop production is failing a lot.

Lemons, Onions, Grapes, Mangoes everything is so costly here, common man thinks twice before buying them! The mother nature has taken the rope in their hands now and who knows how bad this is gonna be.

I dont think there is any finger on India as of now. Every nation will always think about their own peeps before making any move towards other nation. Off course, if it's gonna be WWIII then India is much more organised as compared to previous wars and had learnt million lessons and is prepared for the same.

[stompix]

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It seems that I misjudged the situation when it comes to certain products, all because more or less everything is imported in my country - milk, beans, beef and pork, potatoes... Somehow it seems to me that despite the rather large agricultural areas that are poorly cultivated or not cultivated at all, without imports we would be in a rather difficult situation. When a country loses 400 000 inhabitants in 10 years and has an anti-national policy led by former communists and their children who hate the country in which they live, then it is no wonder that we are so dependent on imports.

Happened with everyone in the former Warsaw pact, and it will change in a few years for the better and better.
It was the same around here, from Prague to Budapest to Warsaw, everyone was saying no more anything is produced, then it took a  few years and look, we're exporting things everywhere, Poland is even trying to play in the big guys league when it comes to food exports, of course, France is a beast of its own but the others can be reached. Even Romania is showing signs of starting again to produce more things, both they and Bulgaria have this problem with infrastructure and store manufacturing so they export raw and get finished products but it will get there.

Speaking strictly about Croatia I must admit, I have no clue what type of land and what is being cultivated in all that former Yugoslav block, all my knowledge about agriculture has been confined north of the Danube, so it might be that you lack the land to produce wheat or maize or whatever. From my few trips there I picture it more like some olive oil whine country, more like Italy or Spain.

But bottom line, no, no fucking way Europe can't feed itself!

It seems to be exactly as you describe, but I wonder if the Russians were not aware that their moves would result in just such a development? Many parallels can be drawn between the war that began in 1991 when Serbia invaded Croatia, occupied 1/3 of the country and killed thousands of innocent civilians - while the siege of Mariupol lasted almost identically to the siege of Vukovar.

It's exactly the same, a population that was at a center of a union suddenly saw the others don't want them anymore, the Serbs ruling Yugoslavia, the Russians ruling the Soviet Union. And when their former co-nationals don't want them anymore they forget the "brotherly" love and start butchering them like savages. And now they don't understand why everyone around them hates them.

[Synchronice]

Correct me if I'm wrong but Europe seems to be highly dependent on imports when it comes to basic food (wheat, oil, live-stock feed, etc.) and others and the supply has decreased while the prices are soaring.

Germany is the second-largest food exporter in the world (The beating heart of the European continent ❤)
The United Kingdom is the third-largest food exporter in the world (North-west of the European continent)
France is the sixth-largest food exporter in the world (The western edge of Europe)
The Netherlands is the seventh-largest food exporter in the world (located in western Europe)
Belgium is the ninth-largest food exporter in the world (located in the west of Europe)
Italy is the tenth-largest food exporter in the world (located in southern Europe)



Confirmed: No risk of food shortages in the EU

It's pitiful but poor countries are the ones that will be affected by Russia. It was Russia and their dictator Joseph Stalin that starved millions in the Ukrainian Famine and seems they are going to repeat the same for Africa and the Middle East.

[goaldigger]

It's pitiful but poor countries are the ones that will be affected by Russia. It was Russia and their dictator Joseph Stalin that starved millions in the Ukrainian Famine and seems they are going to repeat the same for Africa and the Middle East.

The number still looking good for EU, and yes they will not starve to death as they still have trading partners. The real affected here is the 3rd world country or the developing country and we already feeling it. We imports most of our goods and the price started to rise already. If there’s a war trade between those countries, tendency our the value of basic commodities will increase and this is why some countries started to limit their export already.

[Johnyz]

It's pitiful but poor countries are the ones that will be affected by Russia. It was Russia and their dictator Joseph Stalin that starved millions in the Ukrainian Famine and seems they are going to repeat the same for Africa and the Middle East.

The number still looking good for EU, and yes they will not starve to death as they still have trading partners. The real affected here is the 3rd world country or the developing country and we already feeling it. We imports most of our goods and the price started to rise already. If there’s a war trade between those countries, tendency our the value of basic commodities will increase and this is why some countries started to limit their export already.

They are still facing bigger problems, we cannot deny it even before the war started between Russia and Ukraine, there’s already a trade war in some countries and maybe if this continues, EU countries will also face that problem. Small countries are the usual received of those bad economies, they are highly affected by this. Hoping that Russia won’t invade Finland as well now that they joined the NATO because if its happen, this could be a huge war again and this trade war will be more worst.

[crzy]

Russia is one of the largest wheat producing county and it would not be an easy task cutting ties with Russia.

It is not just Russia though, it is also Ukraine and all the others that are putting fuel in the fire like India that recently banned exports and I recently learned that Indonesia had banned their Palm oil exports (which they may change these days) which caused the prices to soar and to the point that cooking oil was nowhere to be found in some countries such as Germany.

These two big countries produce one of the basic necessities and I can say that we are all affected by this. Though, there are some countries who export the same thing, maybe its their chance to maximize their production and claim the spot if being the top exporter. This war caused a lot of problems already, hope they can finally end this one but I heard the news recently about US giving Ukraine a billions if aid money, they are still supporting this war as usual.

[pooya87]

I think the goal of the war was to destroy Ukraine in terms of infrastructure and economics and to increase the occupied territories in the east - while the attack on Kyiv and northern Ukraine was just a smokescreen and a distraction of Ukrainian forces.

That's right. The attacks from north were part of the quick incapacitation strategy where (despite what the Western propaganda says) they didn't want to occupy Kyiv although (despite what the Russian propaganda says) they weren't expecting this much resistance either. In this strategy they had very key targets such as the Ukraine Air Force, their radars and air defenses, and most importantly their biological weapons labs that were build with the US help. Even Chernobyl (located in Northern Ukraine) was a target to make sure the intelligence was right and there weren't any nukes there.
Now Ukraine is forced into Guerrilla Warfare while Russia cuts off the possibility of NATO ever having access to the very strategic Sea of Azov and significantly reduces access to the Black Sea.

Germany is the second-largest food exporter in the world (The beating heart of the European continent ❤)
The United Kingdom is the third-largest food exporter in the world (North-west of the European continent)
France is the sixth-largest food exporter in the world (The western edge of Europe)
The Netherlands is the seventh-largest food exporter in the world (located in western Europe)
Belgium is the ninth-largest food exporter in the world (located in the west of Europe)
Italy is the tenth-largest food exporter in the world (located in southern Europe)

Thanks for the info but can you also explain where does the scarcity and the soaring prices come from in parts of EU that I heard about. For example my friends in Germany told me they haven't been able to find cooking oil, flour and some other stuff for about a month. Or UK is talking about a cost of living crisis and the fact that 1.5 million people entered absolute poverty level this year. Italy seems very import-reliant too when it comes to animal feed and general food production, for example farmers are reporting that they have to shut down business if the country can not provide them with what they need to grow crops or feed their livestock.

Could you also tell me where does EU get their fertilizers and animal feed from?

It's pitiful but poor countries are the ones that will be affected by Russia. It was Russia and their dictator Joseph Stalin that starved millions in the Ukrainian Famine and seems they are going to repeat the same for Africa and the Middle East.

I don't think there is going to be that much issue in most of Western Asia mainly because when the Russian exports to the West stops, they have to replace their customers with someone else. They can't just keep accumulating grains, etc. The exports have already increased to Asia too.

I can't comment on Africa though since I don't have that much information.

[stompix]

It's pitiful but poor countries are the ones that will be affected by Russia. It was Russia and their dictator Joseph Stalin that starved millions in the Ukrainian Famine and seems they are going to repeat the same for Africa and the Middle East.

Wasn't that clear from the start? It's damn basic economics and some here still don't understand that everything has a price and everyone has purchasing power. It was obvious that if a food crisis hits the ones that spend 90% of their income on food will be hit harder than the ones spending 20% or 30%, it's clear that the guy making 2000 euros a month will afford gas even when it's an at 3 euros per liter while the one making 200$ will not!

It's completely disappointing seeing this, especially on bitcointalk, where we clearly have the bitcoin price as reference, PPP means nothing here, it doesn't matter that rent is 20$ in Dakka and 2000$ in New York, one bitcoin is still $30 000 for both of them, and food is also traded, oil is also international traded, the one with more money will afford to buy more, just like with BTC.Basics!

Thanks for the info but can you also explain where does the scarcity and the soaring prices come from in parts of EU that I heard about. For example my friends in Germany told me they haven't been able to find cooking oil, flour and some other stuff for about a month.

Tell them to try and enter a store for a change:
https://www.kaufland.de/oele/
https://www.kaufland.de/mehl/

Or stop listening to propaganda for a change! Or get a clue when your friends are poking fun at you!
Or, since I'm a nazi lower American propagandist and obviously this is a fake nazi Ukrainian site and not the biggest store in Germany you can always ask the guys in the German sub if the shelves are empty, so you could finally stop with the fake news once for all.
Infinite possibilities that end with oil available everywhere.

Could you also tell me where does EU get their fertilizers and animal feed from?

You're not going to like the answer, but Europe exports animal feed! Just one click away!
https://oec.world/en/profile/hs/animal-food

I don't think there is going to be that much issue in most of Western Asia mainly because when the Russian exports to the West stops, they have to replace their customers with someone else.

You can't "stop" or redirect something that was never there!
https://oec.world/en/profile/bilateral-product/wheat/reporter/rus?redirect=true

[Sithara007]

Ukraine mined the exits from the port, fearing a Russian landing on Odessa. And now Russia is to blame for the fact that Ukraine cannot export 20 million tons of grain to Europe, which will cause famine in Ukraine itself, because this year's sowing campaign is actually disrupted. Logically.

In the long term, Ukraine needs to find alternative route for their wheat exports, because by the time the war ends they will be a landlocked country. Once the Donbass offensive is over, the Russian Armed Forces will direct their offensive towards Kharkiv-Dnipropetrovsk and Mykolayiv-Odessa. So the sooner they adjust with the reality of not being able to use the port of Odessa, that much better. And let's not forget the fact that the most productive wheat producing regions in Ukraine are located in the South and the East (most of which is under Russian control now).

[be.open]

Ukraine mined the exits from the port, fearing a Russian landing on Odessa. And now Russia is to blame for the fact that Ukraine cannot export 20 million tons of grain to Europe, which will cause famine in Ukraine itself, because this year's sowing campaign is actually disrupted. Logically.

In the long term, Ukraine needs to find alternative route for their wheat exports, because by the time the war ends they will be a landlocked country. Once the Donbass offensive is over, the Russian Armed Forces will direct their offensive towards Kharkiv-Dnipropetrovsk and Mykolayiv-Odessa. So the sooner they adjust with the reality of not being able to use the port of Odessa, that much better. And let's not forget the fact that the most productive wheat producing regions in Ukraine are located in the South and the East (most of which is under Russian control now).

During the disputes over Odessa, approximately 1.1 million tons of grain were transported from Ukraine to Romania by rail and road. This is the maximum that can be taken out by land in the current conditions.

[Lucius]

Happened with everyone in the former Warsaw pact, and it will change in a few years for the better and better.
It was the same around here, from Prague to Budapest to Warsaw, everyone was saying no more anything is produced, then it took a  few years and look, we're exporting things everywhere...

You did not take into account the population when it comes to Poland, Bulgaria or Romania compared to Croatia, which now has about 3.8 million inhabitants (400 000 less than 10 years ago). The problem is that there is no one to produce food, and the biggest landowners in the continental part of the country, believe it or not, are Russians. They got the land on the basis of a loan they gave to the largest Croatian company Konzum, which went bankrupt, and then the most valuable parts were divided between local and foreign vultures.

Speaking strictly about Croatia I must admit, I have no clue what type of land and what is being cultivated in all that former Yugoslav block, all my knowledge about agriculture has been confined north of the Danube, so it might be that you lack the land to produce wheat or maize or whatever. From my few trips there I picture it more like some olive oil whine country, more like Italy or Spain.

There is also the continental part of Croatia which is a large fertile lowland where grain, barley, corn, sunflower, and oilseed rape are grown with the potential to feed 20 million people - but it is the part of the country from which most people have emigrated. Quite another story is the Adriatic coast, they are developing because of tourism, and because of that they live much better than the rest of the country. The only problem they have is that they are missing as many as 30 000 workers this year.

It's exactly the same, a population that was at a center of a union suddenly saw the others don't want them anymore, the Serbs ruling Yugoslavia, the Russians ruling the Soviet Union. And when their former co-nationals don't want them anymore they forget the "brotherly" love and start butchering them like savages. And now they don't understand why everyone around them hates them.

30 years after the war, they still deny aggression, mass crimes, concentration camps, the fact that they killed over 400 children - and they are getting closer to joining the EU every day. Because of all this, I think that in the end Russia will profit from everything and that in some 20-30 years no one will talk about war and crimes - except of course the Ukrainians.

[Synchronice]

Germany is the second-largest food exporter in the world (The beating heart of the European continent ❤)
The United Kingdom is the third-largest food exporter in the world (North-west of the European continent)
France is the sixth-largest food exporter in the world (The western edge of Europe)
The Netherlands is the seventh-largest food exporter in the world (located in western Europe)
Belgium is the ninth-largest food exporter in the world (located in the west of Europe)
Italy is the tenth-largest food exporter in the world (located in southern Europe)

Thanks for the info but can you also explain where does the scarcity and the soaring prices come from in parts of EU that I heard about. For example my friends in Germany told me they haven't been able to find cooking oil, flour and some other stuff for about a month. Or UK is talking about a cost of living crisis and the fact that 1.5 million people entered absolute poverty level this year. Italy seems very import-reliant too when it comes to animal feed and general food production, for example farmers are reporting that they have to shut down business if the country can not provide them with what they need to grow crops or feed their livestock.

Could you also tell me where does EU get their fertilizers and animal feed from?

I live in Berlin and I'm not facing agricultural problems. I don't use flour, and stuff that contains high glycemic index carbohydrates and unhealthy fats since I'm into bodybuilding (for cooking I only use extra virgin olive oil). I mostly visit Edeka, Rewe, Lidl and Aldi. I can confirm that there was no food shortage in these supermarkets, every shelf was full.
You can check yourself at Aldi online store - Click here
Visit Amazon.de, put a random german address and type Weizenmehl in the search bar.
Oils are in stock too and their prices are damn affordable for anyone. In general, food prices are very affordable in Germany and prices aren't going to soar much. Even if that happens, food will still be affordable for the average citizens if the salaries stay the same.

Here is another good statistics from statista:
Leading fertilizer importing countries worldwide in 2020, based on value
Leading fertilizer exporting countries worldwide in 2020, based on value

The main exporters of Russia's fertilizers are Brazil, Estonia, India, China and the United States. Source ¹

You should also check Food Security index. All the top 6 countries are European countries. In general, EAA countries lead in the chart and Russia is 23rd on the list.

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Here is another good statistics from statista:
Leading fertilizer importing countries worldwide in 2020, based on value
Leading fertilizer exporting countries worldwide in 2020, based on value

The main exporters of Russia's fertilizers are Brazil, Estonia, India, China and the United States. Source ¹

You should also check Food Security index. All the top 6 countries are European countries. In general, EAA countries lead in the chart and Russia is 23rd on the list.

They took Russia very easy - thinking Russia is Afghanistan or Iraq or Iran or Syria.
But Russia is powerful. They are going to fight back. No matter what and the world will understand that cutting off ties with Russia is not an easy thing.

[pooya87]

@Synchronice thanks for your input again but sorry I have a hard time believing you when people I know in real life are saying it and also many different media outlets like businessinsider (published on May 9, 2022) are also talking about the same shortage.
Or maybe that is all propaganda?!

German restaurants also are struggling with higher cooking-oil prices. In April, the famous pub Gaffel am Dom in Cologne said it would take french fries off its menu due to a sunflower-oil shortage.

A spokeswoman for McDonald's Germany said the company will reduce the amount of sunflower oil in the oil blend it uses for frying. The company told Insider in March that McDonald's customers can still get fries "in the usual quality."

Meanwhile, bottles of sunflower oil have been out of stock for weeks in German supermarkets.

[Synchronice]

@Synchronice thanks for your input again but sorry I have a hard time believing you when people I know in real life are saying it and also many different media outlets like businessinsider (published on May 9, 2022) are also talking about the same shortage.
Or maybe that is all propaganda?!

German restaurants also are struggling with higher cooking-oil prices. In April, the famous pub Gaffel am Dom in Cologne said it would take french fries off its menu due to a sunflower-oil shortage.

A spokeswoman for McDonald's Germany said the company will reduce the amount of sunflower oil in the oil blend it uses for frying. The company told Insider in March that McDonald's customers can still get fries "in the usual quality."

Meanwhile, bottles of sunflower oil have been out of stock for weeks in German supermarkets.

You are welcome but in all seriousness, I'll visit some supermarkets not only in my area but in other boroughs, I'll probably visit Düsseldorf too.

Now, don't believe, just check:
1. Visit Amazon.de
2. Click on deliver to and put 57614 in ZIP Code (Disclaimer: This is random zip code from google and works).
3. In search bar, type: Sonnenblumenöl (This means sunflower oil) and just check yourself whether it's in-stock or out of stock.