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October 10, 2023, 07:51:50 AM
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Israel and Hamas have intensified the conflict between Russia and Ukraine, which has not even begun. At this point, it is unclear how it will affect countries that are far away from the conflict. Could Israel and Hamas be to blame if fuel prices and prime commodities are quickly impacted even in Russia and Ukraine?

It's still unfortunate for the citizens of the aforementioned nations, though. How do they manage to survive there? Given the current state of the nation, the situation must be challenging, right?

Crude oil prices went up by 5% as soon as the information about Hamas attack was published. I don't understand this. Both Israel and Palestine are not among the top producers of crude oil. So why the prices went up? There is only a remote possibility that some of the crude producers such as Iran will get involved. This is like a double whammy for people like me. Here in India, we import close to 85%-90% of all the crude for our consumption. The rising cost of crude oil import is worsening the account deficit, and the inflation rate has gone up. 
This is very simple to understand; the oil market reacted with growth to a significant increase in risks due to the escalation of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. Just remember the events of 50 years ago during the Yom Kippur War, which provoked an oil crisis throughout the world with the price of oil quadrupling.

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October 10, 2023, 08:37:02 AM
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The fallout from the Ukraine conflict is expected to weigh heavily on economies in Europe and the wider Central Asian region this year. Apart from the consequences of political events the developing world is suffering the most from the sanctions and counter sanctions caused by the war although the people of Ukraine are very vigilant. While the world economic situation is on the way to return to normality after coping with the corona pandemic, the Russia-Ukraine war which has turned into a war between the superpowers has put the world economic situation in a deep crisis and stress and the impact of their war is on the poor countries.

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October 10, 2023, 01:58:57 PM
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Israel and Hamas have intensified the conflict between Russia and Ukraine, which has not even begun. At this point, it is unclear how it will affect countries that are far away from the conflict. Could Israel and Hamas be to blame if fuel prices and prime commodities are quickly impacted even in Russia and Ukraine?

It's still unfortunate for the citizens of the aforementioned nations, though. How do they manage to survive there? Given the current state of the nation, the situation must be challenging, right?

Crude oil prices went up by 5% as soon as the information about Hamas attack was published. I don't understand this. Both Israel and Palestine are not among the top producers of crude oil. So why the prices went up? There is only a remote possibility that some of the crude producers such as Iran will get involved. This is like a double whammy for people like me. Here in India, we import close to 85%-90% of all the crude for our consumption. The rising cost of crude oil import is worsening the account deficit, and the inflation rate has gone up. 

That's because the market is afraid that this conflict will turn into some kind of a regional war. Countries like Lebanon, Iran and Egypt can be easily dragged into this conflict any moment. The price of oil is already surging, and I really hope we won't see the price quadruple because of this conflict like in the 1970ies.
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October 11, 2023, 01:32:20 AM
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Israel and Hamas have intensified the conflict between Russia and Ukraine, which has not even begun. At this point, it is unclear how it will affect countries that are far away from the conflict. Could Israel and Hamas be to blame if fuel prices and prime commodities are quickly impacted even in Russia and Ukraine?

It's still unfortunate for the citizens of the aforementioned nations, though. How do they manage to survive there? Given the current state of the nation, the situation must be challenging, right?

Crude oil prices went up by 5% as soon as the information about Hamas attack was published. I don't understand this. Both Israel and Palestine are not among the top producers of crude oil. So why the prices went up? There is only a remote possibility that some of the crude producers such as Iran will get involved. This is like a double whammy for people like me. Here in India, we import close to 85%-90% of all the crude for our consumption. The rising cost of crude oil import is worsening the account deficit, and the inflation rate has gone up. 

That's because the market is afraid that this conflict will turn into some kind of a regional war. Countries like Lebanon, Iran and Egypt can be easily dragged into this conflict any moment. The price of oil is already surging, and I really hope we won't see the price quadruple because of this conflict like in the 1970ies.
Countries around the world moving towards Electric Vehicles had been a big thing. This have cut the energy requirements and countries are into infrastructure development for the production of renewable energy sources to lower the dependence over oil. This won't let the price of oil increase to such a level as that happened past due to different wars. Most of the countries have taken the decision soon after the Ukraine-Russia war by which the sanctions caused the stop of oil supply to western countries. Many countries suffered much during those days and had taken it a learning.

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October 11, 2023, 03:33:08 AM
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That's because the market is afraid that this conflict will turn into some kind of a regional war. Countries like Lebanon, Iran and Egypt can be easily dragged into this conflict any moment. The price of oil is already surging, and I really hope we won't see the price quadruple because of this conflict like in the 1970ies.

Out of the countries that you have listed, only Iran is a major producer of crude oil. And as far as I have heard, Israel may refrain from directly attacking Iran. That is not the case with Lebanon, as there is a good chance that the Israeli military will conduct a few incursions into that country to destroy the Hezbollah. One risk factor that I can foresee is Iranian backed Houthi rebels attacking the oil installations within Saudi Arabia. Any such attack would immediately push the Brent crude to three digit levels, worsening the inflation issue around the globe.

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October 12, 2023, 06:58:46 PM
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I guess you wanted to say after a US sponsored and masterminded coup in Ukraine (I hope the cookies were worth it haha?) and overthrowing legitimate president Yanukovych, coup leaders aka US sockpuppets suddenly realized they need to join NATO? Muahaha...  Grin


1. We do what we need to do in our own country, it has nothing to do with you, and no one is interested in your opinion Smiley.

2. A coup is what happened in Russia, during the change of power, with the shooting of the White House, and the violent seizure of power.

3. Provide evidence in favor of your morbid fantasy of a "coup" ? Smiley  

3.1 The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, the constitution and other attributes of the LAWful power were not changed. No organs of power were seized.  Just the criminal president (kleptomaniac and swindler, a copy of Putin), cowardly ran away, leaving his post. After almost half a year, due to his unwillingness to return and bear responsibility for his crimes against the people of Ukraine, special presidential elections were held. By this time, Russia, having violated all obligations and treaties, had already invaded Ukraine and destroyed Ukrainian citizens....

4. The only thing that pisses off the Russians in this situation is that the Ukrainians are fighting the power of thieves, and can fearlessly oppose the government, and the Russians - cowardly sit and endure everything that their under-furrer does to them Smiley)

But I don't expect an answer from you, why should I listen to another portion of Rashist nonsense ? Smiley

Let's get back to the topic: on the day of celebration, hopefully the last birthday of the world terrorist Putin, Russian terrorists blew up Balticconnector - "The offshore gas pipeline between Finland and Estonia has been stopped. A possible explosion was detected in the area of the facility". In general, I wrote about economic terrorism on the part of Russia back in 2021, so I am not surprised.
I am also not surprised that in the videos of terrorists from Gaza, you can hear Russian cries of "cover/retreat/...", as well as a lot of information about the hysterical attempt of Russia to remove its Hamas advisers and helpers from this territory. The goal here is very clear - destabilization of the eastern region, increased burden on the U.S. budget, due to the need to help Israel, as well as possible problems in the oil market, as the region may "catch fire" again for many years. The underline of the international terrorists, the Kremlin, is hard to hide.....

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October 13, 2023, 07:29:48 AM
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LOL.. there was so much hype after the Ukrainian announced their "counter-offensive" a few months back. But now they are on the backfoot, as Russians have launched new attacks in Avdeevka and Kupyansk. Also, Ukrainians seems to be running out of manpower, while there are no reports that Russians are facing the same situation. And all this have happened despite Western nations stepping up their military and financial aid to Ukraine. Also, while Russians face no shortage of equipment or artillery shells, despite western support Ukraine is running out of equipment and shells. 

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LOL.. there was so much hype after the Ukrainian announced their "counter-offensive" a few months back. But now they are on the backfoot, as Russians have launched new attacks in Avdeevka and Kupyansk. Also, Ukrainians seems to be running out of manpower, while there are no reports that Russians are facing the same situation. And all this have happened despite Western nations stepping up their military and financial aid to Ukraine. Also, while Russians face no shortage of equipment or artillery shells, despite western support Ukraine is running out of equipment and shells. 

Yes, some sources on Telegram are reporting Russians are about to encircle Avdiivka and if this is going to happen 11k AFU soldiers will be destroyed or will have to surrender. AFU have days, possibly hours left to leave the town to avoid Bakhmut 2.0. In any case, this will further worsen the morale of the Ukrainian troops. 
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LOL.. there was so much hype after the Ukrainian announced their "counter-offensive" a few months back. But now they are on the backfoot, as Russians have launched new attacks in Avdeevka and Kupyansk. Also, Ukrainians seems to be running out of manpower, while there are no reports that Russians are facing the same situation. And all this have happened despite Western nations stepping up their military and financial aid to Ukraine. Also, while Russians face no shortage of equipment or artillery shells, despite western support Ukraine is running out of equipment and shells. 

Yes, some sources on Telegram are reporting Russians are about to encircle Avdiivka and if this is going to happen 11k AFU soldiers will be destroyed or will have to surrender. AFU have days, possibly hours left to leave the town to avoid Bakhmut 2.0. In any case, this will further worsen the morale of the Ukrainian troops. 
The Ukrainian armed forces have been continuing their offensive since June and are not going to stop in the rainy autumn or cold winter, much less retreat. The Russian occupation army has also been attacking in the Avdeevka area since October 10, using large amounts of manpower and equipment. Therefore, Russia's losses have increased sharply. Over the four days of such an offensive, according to official data from the General Staff of Ukraine, Russia lost approximately 3,810 of its soldiers and officers, 111 tanks, 208 armored vehicles, 120 artillery systems and other weapons. So let them attack. This will truly be the second Bakhmut for them. There, by the way, the mousetrap will soon slam shut and the Russians may find themselves completely surrounded. Therefore, let's just wait for the results of the offensive of both the Russians in the Avdeevka area and the Ukrainian Armed Forces in southern Ukraine. The result promises to be very interesting.

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LOL.. there was so much hype after the Ukrainian announced their "counter-offensive" a few months back. But now they are on the backfoot, as Russians have launched new attacks in Avdeevka and Kupyansk. Also, Ukrainians seems to be running out of manpower, while there are no reports that Russians are facing the same situation. And all this have happened despite Western nations stepping up their military and financial aid to Ukraine. Also, while Russians face no shortage of equipment or artillery shells, despite western support Ukraine is running out of equipment and shells. 

Unfortunately, this is a deplorable situation for Ukraine, the population is suffering quite a lot. Today I read the news that the mobilization will increase because they need people. After all, the army is not so large an army of Russia. What does it mean that men will be grabbed on the streets again and forcibly dragged to the front. And the money that is invested in the United States is not able to simultaneously create an army of Ukrainian guys who are ready to go to the front. Yes, for these millions of dollars of aid, you can buy new equipment, but the human resource is irreplaceable so quickly.

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LOL.. there was so much hype after the Ukrainian announced their "counter-offensive" a few months back. But now they are on the backfoot, as Russians have launched new attacks in Avdeevka and Kupyansk. Also, Ukrainians seems to be running out of manpower, while there are no reports that Russians are facing the same situation. And all this have happened despite Western nations stepping up their military and financial aid to Ukraine. Also, while Russians face no shortage of equipment or artillery shells, despite western support Ukraine is running out of equipment and shells.  

Go ahead and tell me about "everything is going according to plan" and "Ukraine was taken in 2-3 weeks" Smiley))))

Tu map, with chronology and confirmed situation on the front, enjoy the reality - https://deepstatemap.live/#6/49.438/32.053

Over the last couple of days russia tried to launch a counteroffensive, but..... the meat assault failed again, no results were achieved. Although... There were results - about 60 pieces of equipment and about 1500 disposable Russian terrorists went to hell Smiley

Also in the last 2 days, after the special operation of the AFU, 2 ships of the Black Sea fleet of the terrorist country were badly damaged. Pravda (the ministry of total lies), oops the russian ministry of defense, came up with a touching story about the exercises. Well, let it be an exercise, and a successful, self-planned destruction of their own ship Smiley


And let's get back to the "success of russia" Smiley
- War was the main cause of death among young Russians last year. They have not yet counted their disposable expendables in 2023 Smiley
- PACE called to recognize Putin illegitimate after 2024
- The real effective ruble exchange rate has collapsed by almost 30% since the beginning of the year
- The Russian Federation obliged exporters to return 80% of foreign currency earnings, sell 90% of repatriated amount... But we were listening to Putin - nobody is interested in the dollar exchange rate Smiley)))))
- Putin signed an order for a new mobilization of 150,000 torsos.
- The budget of russia in 2024 includes death payments for servicemen in SWO, in the amount of 100.000 payments ! I.e. it is already believed that in 2024 the AFU will destroy at least 100.00 more Russian terrorists ! Smiley

By the way, a small forecast - soon Russia will classify official data on oil production Smiley

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LOL.. there was so much hype after the Ukrainian announced their "counter-offensive" a few months back. But now they are on the backfoot, as Russians have launched new attacks in Avdeevka and Kupyansk. Also, Ukrainians seems to be running out of manpower, while there are no reports that Russians are facing the same situation. And all this have happened despite Western nations stepping up their military and financial aid to Ukraine. Also, while Russians face no shortage of equipment or artillery shells, despite western support Ukraine is running out of equipment and shells. 

Unfortunately, this is a deplorable situation for Ukraine, the population is suffering quite a lot. Today I read the news that the mobilization will increase because they need people. After all, the army is not so large an army of Russia. What does it mean that men will be grabbed on the streets again and forcibly dragged to the front. And the money that is invested in the United States is not able to simultaneously create an army of Ukrainian guys who are ready to go to the front. Yes, for these millions of dollars of aid, you can buy new equipment, but the human resource is irreplaceable so quickly.
It is just unfortunate that people has started forgetting about the Russia Ukraine war and concentrating on Israel Palestine war that is going on now. Many countries like the Arab are keeping there concentration on the current war going on and no one is discussing about what is happening in Ukraine again. I think it is high time for the Russia government to put an end on the war with a reasonable negotiation. This war had made the price of wheat to go up and it this last for one more year then the effect may be displeasing to countries that depend on Ukraine for wheat product.

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LOL.. there was so much hype after the Ukrainian announced their "counter-offensive" a few months back. But now they are on the backfoot, as Russians have launched new attacks in Avdeevka and Kupyansk. Also, Ukrainians seems to be running out of manpower, while there are no reports that Russians are facing the same situation. And all this have happened despite Western nations stepping up their military and financial aid to Ukraine. Also, while Russians face no shortage of equipment or artillery shells, despite western support Ukraine is running out of equipment and shells. 

Unfortunately, this is a deplorable situation for Ukraine, the population is suffering quite a lot. Today I read the news that the mobilization will increase because they need people. After all, the army is not so large an army of Russia. What does it mean that men will be grabbed on the streets again and forcibly dragged to the front. And the money that is invested in the United States is not able to simultaneously create an army of Ukrainian guys who are ready to go to the front. Yes, for these millions of dollars of aid, you can buy new equipment, but the human resource is irreplaceable so quickly.

You're very funny to listen to, no offense, but it's true.... Why? Because you are repeating Russian propaganda narratives Smiley
No one is being forcibly taken away. If there were isolated distortions, it's not the system. And it is difficult for you to convince me, a citizen of Ukraine and a resident of Kiev, otherwise. And I often travel all over Ukraine, and I will say that there were such cases - in Odessa, Dnipro, Kharkiv - but this is a consequence of corruption of military commissions. There is a legal fight against them, and the participants of such violations are held accountable.
As for the losses - of course they exist, because we have been subjected to aggression, there is a war, the aggressor behaves like a sadist and a terrorist. But... the AFU commanders are not in the habit of organizing "meat assaults" or "for the birthday of the Fuhrer"....
The truth is on our side, and we will not give our freedom to anyone, so RASHISM will be destroyed !

And back to the topic, about the economy: Russian pipeline gas supplies to the EU countries by the end of 2023 will fall by 65% and will amount to about 20-25 billion cubic meters.
This is about seven times less compared to the 140 billion cubic meters recorded in pre-war 2021, according to a report by the International Energy Agency.

It should be understood that hydrocarbons (oil and gas) are the main revenue of the budget of the terrorist country, and accounted, previously, for more than 50% of all foreign exchange earnings.
Oil is sold for yuan and rupees, there is no revenue in strong currency, the gas market has been lost, and the arms market - after the spectacular failure of all "unparalleled weapons" - has also been lost by Russia.


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October 15, 2023, 12:03:54 PM
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LOL.. there was so much hype after the Ukrainian announced their "counter-offensive" a few months back. But now they are on the backfoot, as Russians have launched new attacks in Avdeevka and Kupyansk. Also, Ukrainians seems to be running out of manpower, while there are no reports that Russians are facing the same situation. And all this have happened despite Western nations stepping up their military and financial aid to Ukraine. Also, while Russians face no shortage of equipment or artillery shells, despite western support Ukraine is running out of equipment and shells.  

Go ahead and tell me about "everything is going according to plan" and "Ukraine was taken in 2-3 weeks" Smiley))))

Tu map, with chronology and confirmed situation on the front, enjoy the reality - https://deepstatemap.live/#6/49.438/32.053

Over the last couple of days russia tried to launch a counteroffensive, but..... the meat assault failed again, no results were achieved. Although... There were results - about 60 pieces of equipment and about 1500 disposable Russian terrorists went to hell Smiley

Also in the last 2 days, after the special operation of the AFU, 2 ships of the Black Sea fleet of the terrorist country were badly damaged. Pravda (the ministry of total lies), oops the russian ministry of defense, came up with a touching story about the exercises. Well, let it be an exercise, and a successful, self-planned destruction of their own ship Smiley


And let's get back to the "success of russia" Smiley
- War was the main cause of death among young Russians last year. They have not yet counted their disposable expendables in 2023 Smiley
- PACE called to recognize Putin illegitimate after 2024
- The real effective ruble exchange rate has collapsed by almost 30% since the beginning of the year
- The Russian Federation obliged exporters to return 80% of foreign currency earnings, sell 90% of repatriated amount... But we were listening to Putin - nobody is interested in the dollar exchange rate Smiley)))))
- Putin signed an order for a new mobilization of 150,000 torsos.
- The budget of russia in 2024 includes death payments for servicemen in SWO, in the amount of 100.000 payments ! I.e. it is already believed that in 2024 the AFU will destroy at least 100.00 more Russian terrorists ! Smiley

By the way, a small forecast - soon Russia will classify official data on oil production Smiley

Not sure why are you making up these "news" out of thin air. What's the point? Russia is not getting weaker because of your lies.

You have been caught red-handed spreading lies here so many times that you are not even trying to specify the sources. The truth is, these lies are so obvious that even Ukrainian news outlets refuse to publish them. They don't want to look stupid. But that's not the case with you, bozo.  Grin

It would be much better if you could help your country by joining the AFU in Donbas! But you're too cowardly and you can only troll from the safety of your home.  Grin

Anyway, Ukraine's counter-offensive is now officially over. The Russians are attacking near Avdiivka and now also in Robotyne-Verbove in southern Ukraine. To sum it up, Ukraine has lost (I'm using the Russia's Ministry of Defence data here, because according to Ukraine there have been no casualties so far) 43000 soldiers during the offensive,  26 fighter jets, 9 helicopters, 1 831 tanks, APC and other armored vehicles, including 25 Leopard 2 tanks, 7 AMX tanks and 21 Bradley APC. Additionally, Russia has destroyed 76 M777 artillery systems and 84 British, French, German and US built howitzers. All this just to regain control over a couple square miles of territory (which is being recaptured by Russia atm).  
 
AFU troops are surrendering en masse:

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“This is amazing. This is a story the Western media does not want you to see,” Morris said on his YouTube channel, referring to “tens of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers laying down the weapons and surrendering to the Russian troops.”

https://sputnikglobe.com/20230930/thousands-of-ukrainian-troops-surrender-via-russian-radio-hotline-1113816561.html

And you're jerking off to the news that ruble had lost 30% of it's value? What a lunatic!  Grin
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Anyway, Ukraine's counter-offensive is now officially over. The Russians are attacking near Avdiivka and now also in Robotyne-Verbove in southern Ukraine. To sum it up, Ukraine has lost (I'm using the Russia's Ministry of Defence data here, because according to Ukraine there have been no casualties so far) 43000 soldiers during the offensive,  26 fighter jets, 9 helicopters, 1 831 tanks, APC and other armored vehicles, including 25 Leopard 2 tanks, 7 AMX tanks and 21 Bradley APC. Additionally, Russia has destroyed 76 M777 artillery systems and 84 British, French, German and US built howitzers. All this just to regain control over a couple square miles of territory (which is being recaptured by Russia atm).  
 
Firstly, I join the comments previously made by another participant in this forum to you not to insult other participants, not to call them idiots and not to point out to Ukrainians that their place is now in the trenches at the front, and not here on the forum.

Secondly, the counter-offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces has not yet been completed and will not be completed in the near future. The leaders of the Ukrainian Defense Ministry claim that it will continue in the winter until the last occupier leaves the territory of Ukraine or falls into its soil. The completion of the Ukrainian counter-offensive was only announced from the UN rostrum by Russian representative Nebenzya, although Ukraine did not authorize him to do so.
Regarding the figures you indicated for military losses in Ukraine, they are really interesting. True, in the link you provided in the text of the article, according to the words of the Minister of Attack (one can hardly call him defense) of Russia, Shoigu, the losses of Ukrainians in September alone amount to more than 17,000 soldiers and more than 2,700 weapons. If Ukraine had suffered such losses, then by this time it would no longer have either soldiers or equipment, even taking into account not so much Western assistance.

But Ukrainians are defending their land from rabid hordes of invaders and they have no other choice. Why should Russians die on foreign soil? For the sake of crazy ideas about creating a great empire for their tsar and dictator Putin? By the way, the other day the Council of Europe recognized that there is a dictatorship in Russia, and Putin is an illegitimate dictator.

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October 16, 2023, 01:37:52 PM
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LOL.. there was so much hype after the Ukrainian announced their "counter-offensive" a few months back. But now they are on the backfoot, as Russians have launched new attacks in Avdeevka and Kupyansk. Also, Ukrainians seems to be running out of manpower, while there are no reports that Russians are facing the same situation. And all this have happened despite Western nations stepping up their military and financial aid to Ukraine. Also, while Russians face no shortage of equipment or artillery shells, despite western support Ukraine is running out of equipment and shells.  

Go ahead and tell me about "everything is going according to plan" and "Ukraine was taken in 2-3 weeks" Smiley))))

Tu map, with chronology and confirmed situation on the front, enjoy the reality - https://deepstatemap.live/#6/49.438/32.053

Over the last couple of days russia tried to launch a counteroffensive, but..... the meat assault failed again, no results were achieved. Although... There were results - about 60 pieces of equipment and about 1500 disposable Russian terrorists went to hell Smiley

Also in the last 2 days, after the special operation of the AFU, 2 ships of the Black Sea fleet of the terrorist country were badly damaged. Pravda (the ministry of total lies), oops the russian ministry of defense, came up with a touching story about the exercises. Well, let it be an exercise, and a successful, self-planned destruction of their own ship Smiley


And let's get back to the "success of russia" Smiley
- War was the main cause of death among young Russians last year. They have not yet counted their disposable expendables in 2023 Smiley
- PACE called to recognize Putin illegitimate after 2024
- The real effective ruble exchange rate has collapsed by almost 30% since the beginning of the year
- The Russian Federation obliged exporters to return 80% of foreign currency earnings, sell 90% of repatriated amount... But we were listening to Putin - nobody is interested in the dollar exchange rate Smiley)))))
- Putin signed an order for a new mobilization of 150,000 torsos.
- The budget of russia in 2024 includes death payments for servicemen in SWO, in the amount of 100.000 payments ! I.e. it is already believed that in 2024 the AFU will destroy at least 100.00 more Russian terrorists ! Smiley

By the way, a small forecast - soon Russia will classify official data on oil production Smiley

Not sure why are you making up these "news" out of thin air. What's the point? Russia is not getting weaker because of your lies.

You have been caught red-handed spreading lies here so many times that you are not even trying to specify the sources. The truth is, these lies are so obvious that even Ukrainian news outlets refuse to publish them. They don't want to look stupid. But that's not the case with you, bozo.  Grin

It would be much better if you could help your country by joining the AFU in Donbas! But you're too cowardly and you can only troll from the safety of your home.  Grin

Anyway, Ukraine's counter-offensive is now officially over. The Russians are attacking near Avdiivka and now also in Robotyne-Verbove in southern Ukraine. To sum it up, Ukraine has lost (I'm using the Russia's Ministry of Defence data here, because according to Ukraine there have been no casualties so far) 43000 soldiers during the offensive,  26 fighter jets, 9 helicopters, 1 831 tanks, APC and other armored vehicles, including 25 Leopard 2 tanks, 7 AMX tanks and 21 Bradley APC. Additionally, Russia has destroyed 76 M777 artillery systems and 84 British, French, German and US built howitzers. All this just to regain control over a couple square miles of territory (which is being recaptured by Russia atm).  
 
AFU troops are surrendering en masse:

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“This is amazing. This is a story the Western media does not want you to see,” Morris said on his YouTube channel, referring to “tens of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers laying down the weapons and surrendering to the Russian troops.”

https://sputnikglobe.com/20230930/thousands-of-ukrainian-troops-surrender-via-russian-radio-hotline-1113816561.html

And you're jerking off to the news that ruble had lost 30% of it's value? What a lunatic!  Grin

I love your humor  Grin Grin Grin Grin

1. All my "news out of thin air" you can check out. And it will not be air, but facts Smiley I understand that you don't like them, but that's your personal problem. You can certainly make up your own alternate reality, but ... That's for a psychiatrist, I'm no help here Smiley)
2. But if you "feed" so to say "news" of russian propaganda, you will have the wildest dissonance. Let's take your last painful fantasy as an example, add others to it, and it will turn out: the AFU is defeated, they don't know how to fight, they constantly lose, they surrender en masse.... but the second army of the world can barely hold the DEFENSE, there is a new mobilization in the country, relatives of Russians sent to slaughter are already squealing that their husbands/sons/.... are being taken to the front lines and killed en masse.

And about the economy Smiley The Russian budget includes funds to pay for deaths at the front, to pay for 100,000 funerals.... I wonder how they die there, if the AFU is so helpless and the second "army of the world" is so successful and invincible ? Smiley

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Anyway, Ukraine's counter-offensive is now officially over. The Russians are attacking near Avdiivka and now also in Robotyne-Verbove in southern Ukraine. To sum it up, Ukraine has lost (I'm using the Russia's Ministry of Defence data here, because according to Ukraine there have been no casualties so far) 43000 soldiers during the offensive,  26 fighter jets, 9 helicopters, 1 831 tanks, APC and other armored vehicles, including 25 Leopard 2 tanks, 7 AMX tanks and 21 Bradley APC. Additionally, Russia has destroyed 76 M777 artillery systems and 84 British, French, German and US built howitzers. All this just to regain control over a couple square miles of territory (which is being recaptured by Russia atm).  
Firstly, I join the comments previously made by another participant in this forum to you not to insult other participants, not to call them idiots and not to point out to Ukrainians that their place is now in the trenches at the front, and not here on the forum.
If you don't want to be called an idiot, don't act like one. For example, this is what you wrote in this very post, quote:

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"the losses of Ukrainians in September alone amount to more than 17,000 soldiers and more than 2,700 weapons. If Ukraine had suffered such losses, then by this time it would no longer have either soldiers or equipment, even taking into account not so much Western assistance."  

So, basically, in this statement you're claiming that if Ukraine would lose 17000 troops, it would have no soldiers left. I'm not sure what you wanted to say or if you misunderstood the original statement but it is what it is. This is completely illogical to say the least. You have also stated earlier that Russia lost 1000000 soldiers which is another idiotic claim.    

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Secondly, the counter-offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces has not yet been completed and will not be completed in the near future. The leaders of the Ukrainian Defense Ministry claim that it will continue in the winter until the last occupier leaves the territory of Ukraine or falls into its soil. The completion of the Ukrainian counter-offensive was only announced from the UN rostrum by Russian representative Nebenzya, although Ukraine did not authorize him to do so.
Regarding the figures you indicated for military losses in Ukraine, they are really interesting. True, in the link you provided in the text of the article, according to the words of the Minister of Attack (one can hardly call him defense) of Russia, Shoigu, the losses of Ukrainians in September alone amount to more than 17,000 soldiers and more than 2,700 weapons. If Ukraine had suffered such losses, then by this time it would no longer have either soldiers or equipment, even taking into account not so much Western assistance.

But Ukrainians are defending their land from rabid hordes of invaders and they have no other choice. Why should Russians die on foreign soil? For the sake of crazy ideas about creating a great empire for their tsar and dictator Putin? By the way, the other day the Council of Europe recognized that there is a dictatorship in Russia, and Putin is an illegitimate dictator.
Another chunk of low quality useless pompous propaganda. Why don't you join the AFU and go fight some Russians instead of trolling here on this forum? You don't have enough courage, do you?  Cool
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October 16, 2023, 10:21:20 PM
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Israel and Hamas have intensified the conflict between Russia and Ukraine, which has not even begun. At this point, it is unclear how it will affect countries that are far away from the conflict. Could Israel and Hamas be to blame if fuel prices and prime commodities are quickly impacted even in Russia and Ukraine?

It's still unfortunate for the citizens of the aforementioned nations, though. How do they manage to survive there? Given the current state of the nation, the situation must be challenging, right?


The war between Israel and Hamas has nothing to do with the war between Russia and Ukraine. Even the conflict between them won't have a significant impact on the fuel price as they are not oil-exporting countries. What i can see is that this conflict makes the lives of people in gaza extremely difficult. They were already in dire situation and now Israeli govt declared a ground operation which will lead to a humanitarian situation and many civilian life will pearish.
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October 17, 2023, 09:14:09 AM
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Why don't you join the AFU and go fight some Russians instead of trolling here on this forum? You don't have enough courage, do you?  Cool

The Russian big offensive on Avdeevka, which was launched on October 10, is fading. They need propagandists like you. Human meat produced in Russia does not know why they should go to the fortified positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and die ingloriously, trying to seize the territory of another country. But if Russia does not succeed, it will have to pay reparations for several decades to come. Well, will you show by your example how to seize other people’s lands, or is there not enough courage and recklessness?

https://www.unian.net/war/voyna-v-ukraine-ekspert-nazval-celi-rossiyan-nastupleniya-rossiyan-na-avdeevku-12424377.html

https://news.zerkalo.io/world/51571.html

https://24tv.ua/ru/nastuplenie-na-avdeevku-rossijane-ponesli-bolshie-poteri-moshhnoe-video-24-kanal_n2411774

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October 17, 2023, 12:31:54 PM
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So, basically, in this statement you're claiming that if Ukraine would lose 17000 troops, it would have no soldiers left. I'm not sure what you wanted to say or if you misunderstood the original statement but it is what it is. This is completely illogical to say the least. You have also stated earlier that Russia lost 1000000 soldiers which is another idiotic claim.    

I could poke you in your informational crap, for almost every sentence you make, generated by Kremlin propaganda for the mentally defective Smiley But I'm sorry to waste my time on you. One simple argument is enough - give me MONEY here that Russia lost 1 million dead in the war ? Now everyone will see what a pacifier and liar you are ! And so - the link to my post where it says "Russia lost 1 million soldiers of the Russian Armed Forces in Ukraine". ? Smiley

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