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[LTU_btc]

I don't think Ten Hag is a good manager, when he was manager at Ajax it was the players who made him a star. If Manchester United had Ronaldo, I think the squad would have been better. At least they would have kept the ball forward and it wouldn't have been such a problem for them to concede goals.

Ronaldo. Sorry, but with all respect - no. No team in world which play at serious level wouldn't build their team around 38 years old player. No matter how good he was. It's one thing. It's one thing to play in Saudi league and something completely different in EPL - best and most competetive league in the world. And btw, what United achieved when Ronaldo returned to club few years ago?
Can't say much about Ten Hag work at MU as I haven't saw enough their games, but from what I saw in Ajax, it's not right to call him as bad coach. Problem is lying inside the club.

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[execijutiere]

I don't think Ten Hag is a good manager, when he was manager at Ajax it was the players who made him a star. If Manchester United had Ronaldo, I think the squad would have been better. At least they would have kept the ball forward and it wouldn't have been such a problem for them to concede goals.

Ronaldo. Sorry, but with all respect - no. No team in world which play at serious level wouldn't build their team around 38 years old player. No matter how good he was. It's one thing. It's one thing to play in Saudi league and something completely different in EPL - best and most competetive league in the world. And btw, what United achieved when Ronaldo returned to club few years ago?
Can't say much about Ten Hag work at MU as I haven't saw enough their games, but from what I saw in Ajax, it's not right to call him as bad coach. Problem is lying inside the club.

If Ten Hag was a good manager he would have solved the problem within ManU by now. He came here from a team like Ajax and we can say that he has enough experience to deal with the problems. As for Ronaldo, I didn't mean to build the team on Ronaldo but to take advantage of Ronaldo's talent and experience. This type of player has a lot to offer to the young players in the team. Some players see him as an idol and he can contribute to their development.

[tokeweed]

^  Ten Hag not really a good manager, sure...  You could say that.  Who do you think could save United?

Manchester United didn't get along with Ten Hag. Ten Hag actually made the decision that affected Ronaldo's career. If I remember correctly, Ten Hag didn't want him in the team when he was going to continue playing. Maybe this is one of the biggest mistakes he made. If Ronaldo had stayed in the team, he could have been a big brother to the young players and contributed to their development. If Ten Hag doesn't get the team together soon, there is no way they won't be eliminated from the Champions League.

Nope, dropping Ronaldo is really one of the right decisions he made.  He was popular but he was somewhat a nuisance for Ten Hag because the squad had to revolve around him and the way he plays because he really doesn't defend all that well.  I think any manager would find old Ronaldo a nuisance as he wasn't like the dynamic striker or winger he was when he was younger.

The lack of United's success post Ferguson is just one of those things you know..?  It happened to Liverpool, Man United and it will surely happen to City when Guardiola leaves.

I don't think Ten Hag is a good manager, when he was manager at Ajax it was the players who made him a star. If Manchester United had Ronaldo, I think the squad would have been better. At least they would have kept the ball forward and it wouldn't have been such a problem for them to concede goals.

I'd still have to say no.  Even if you put Klopp, Guardiola or Poch in at United at the time when Ronaldo came back to the club, I really think they'd be a lot faster in dropping Ronaldo cos the squad has to adjust and has to be built around him because he doesn't really defend all that much.  I don't think the great managers would give two fcks about Ronaldo if it's gonna pull the rest of the squad behind.

And if Ronaldo's was really that good then why did the club get rid of him anyway..?  :/  He's old and he isn't what he used to be when he could get away without defending all that much.  And the high weekly wages...  Ugh.

Ronaldo is one of the most incredible players we've seen in recent years. Even though he's older, he's a character who can really add a lot to the players and the team in terms of experience. When there were teams who wanted to take advantage of him, he chose to go to Saudi Arabia. This is of course his own decision and his own career, unfortunately nobody has the right to interfere in this. He could have played for a team in Europe and become a big brother and transfer his experience to the players of the team. Now that ManU are trying to build a squad of young players, I think he should have been utilized. I don't think it's important for him to play defense because you can do it with 10 players.

Uh no.  Lol.  But if you think he'll still be a good addition to the squads of the biggest clubs in Europe, sure go on right ahead.  But I beg to differ and I guess the top managers have already showed us that they wouldn't want to acquire an old, overpaid player and what could be problematic tactical situations on the pitch due to reasons that I've already said in my posts prior.

And no club in Europe wanted to take advantage of him...  It's just because he prolly realized that he's done in Europe.  So he went to Saudi Arabia to get paid the big bucks before he retires.

[execijutiere]

^  Ten Hag not really a good manager, sure...  You could say that.  Who do you think could save United?

Uh no.  Lol.  But if you think he'll still be a good addition to the squads of the biggest clubs in Europe, sure go on right ahead.  But I beg to differ and I guess the top managers have already showed us that they wouldn't want to acquire an old, overpaid player and what could be problematic tactical situations on the pitch due to reasons that I've already said in my posts prior.

And no club in Europe wanted to take advantage of him...  It's just because he prolly realized that he's done in Europe.  So he went to Saudi Arabia to get paid the big bucks before he retires.

First of all, if you say who can save United, I'm sure you're sure that's a difficult question because I think you're not sure exactly who would be a better manager.
It's actually a question of the fit of the manager. When the team and the mentality of the manager don't match, success doesn't come. An example of this is the current manager of Totthenham. I don't think anyone has even heard of him before, but their performance is obvious. The next manager should come to the team with confidence and promise.
 Age is not a criterion for a player. An example of this is Fenerbahce's transfer of Dzeko. When Dzeko was first transferred, the fans were angry about why they had bought such an old striker, but now that they see the direction he gives to the game and the contribution he makes during the match, they are saying that it is good that we transferred him. We would have seen the same when Ronaldo left for a team like this, but he preferred money.

[LTU_btc]

If Ten Hag was a good manager he would have solved the problem within ManU by now. He came here from a team like Ajax and we can say that he has enough experience to deal with the problems. As for Ronaldo, I didn't mean to build the team on Ronaldo but to take advantage of Ronaldo's talent and experience. This type of player has a lot to offer to the young players in the team. Some players see him as an idol and he can contribute to their development.

Not trying to defend Ten Hag, but if manager fails at one team, it doesn't means that he is bad coach. Though, I remember in one of Eredivisie threads I said soon after it was announced that Ten Hag will go to MU, it's bad decision for him to join such problematic club. But let's look at Chelsea and how many managers they have sacked in recent years. Conte, Sarri or Tuchel. Chelsea sacked them, but it would be difficult to call anyone from them bad managers. But back to United, I think it's matter of time when Ten Hag will be sacked, but I'm not really sure who would be able to save them.
Ronaldo at Man United, it would be interesting, but I doubt that now he would be able to be 90 minutes player with such intensive calendar - EPL, Europa league and 2 Cups. Not sure that he would be happy with such role.

[execijutiere]

If Ten Hag was a good manager he would have solved the problem within ManU by now. He came here from a team like Ajax and we can say that he has enough experience to deal with the problems. As for Ronaldo, I didn't mean to build the team on Ronaldo but to take advantage of Ronaldo's talent and experience. This type of player has a lot to offer to the young players in the team. Some players see him as an idol and he can contribute to their development.

Not trying to defend Ten Hag, but if manager fails at one team, it doesn't means that he is bad coach. Though, I remember in one of Eredivisie threads I said soon after it was announced that Ten Hag will go to MU, it's bad decision for him to join such problematic club. But let's look at Chelsea and how many managers they have sacked in recent years. Conte, Sarri or Tuchel. Chelsea sacked them, but it would be difficult to call anyone from them bad managers. But back to United, I think it's matter of time when Ten Hag will be sacked, but I'm not really sure who would be able to save them.
Ronaldo at Man United, it would be interesting, but I doubt that now he would be able to be 90 minutes player with such intensive calendar - EPL, Europa league and 2 Cups. Not sure that he would be happy with such role.

It doesn't mean he's a bad coach, it means that he can't manage the team or that he doesn't get along with the team. It's not that he's a bad coach, but that he can't analyze and direct the team and that's why the team is at odds with each other. When Ten Hag was at Ajax, I don't think he was a good manager either. When we look at the Ajax squad at that time, we can say that really star names were always in that team or contributed to that team.
We can say that Chelsea is already a problematic team in general. The disagreement between the players there and the coaches will be the end of them all. I think that even Ronaldo's presence could give ManU a financial or moral support, but it was Ten Hag who didn't want to keep him in the team. Even if he was too old and too weak to handle both European and league games, he could at least bring his experience.

[LUCKMCFLY]

I don't think Ten Hag is a good manager, when he was manager at Ajax it was the players who made him a star. If Manchester United had Ronaldo, I think the squad would have been better. At least they would have kept the ball forward and it wouldn't have been such a problem for them to concede goals.

Ronaldo. Sorry, but with all respect - no. No team in world which play at serious level wouldn't build their team around 38 years old player. No matter how good he was. It's one thing. It's one thing to play in Saudi league and something completely different in EPL - best and most competetive league in the world. And btw, what United achieved when Ronaldo returned to club few years ago?
Can't say much about Ten Hag work at MU as I haven't saw enough their games, but from what I saw in Ajax, it's not right to call him as bad coach. Problem is lying inside the club.

If Ten Hag was a good manager he would have solved the problem within ManU by now. He came here from a team like Ajax and we can say that he has enough experience to deal with the problems. As for Ronaldo, I didn't mean to build the team on Ronaldo but to take advantage of Ronaldo's talent and experience. This type of player has a lot to offer to the young players in the team. Some players see him as an idol and he can contribute to their development.

That is something that I think the same, for me the biggest problem or the Biggest mistake of All the MU times has been and always will be Ten Hag, for me he is not a good technician, he is a person who wants to impose what he thinks he knows , who from what he has shown, knows little, is a person that I consider toxic, that when he doesn't like Someone, he makes them Throw him away, and even if they won something, but they don't win Anything , then the MU is what Makes me laugh for many , and they have the best players, they have a lot of talent together, they did not take advantage of CR7 who was the forward who could take them forward, which made them put him on the bench, as if to make them say that he knew more and that he is not up to the task, now CR7 in Arabia triumphing and Ten Hag here in the MU losing big, then who is the bad guy =? He is the only solution for the MU, so they put any coach in and make that team win, because that team is very good, and it is a shame that they no longer see it with that torment, with that grit that the MU used to see, Now things are not like that.


Any team that plays a little better wins, that's the law. I haven't seen MU win again. It's a team that has the bad luck to be led by a Character like this , because I say something like you, it's not that the team is build based on CR7, otherwise CR7 helps the Team win , since you are Going to have your Best player on the bench, it is something illogical, Ten Hag will never be remembered as the hero of the MU but as the Executioner and Executioner does not ask for Mercy , So in this order of days, the MU should Realize that he is the problem, it is impossible for the players to be so good that they are so many stars, so they leave him out, it is not something that goes well in my logic, My logic tells me that this good team that is the MU is like being in the 1st or 2nd table , there is no other , another result is Already because they have not known how to Do things.

[execijutiere]

That is something that I think the same, for me the biggest problem or the Biggest mistake of All the MU times has been and always will be Ten Hag, for me he is not a good technician, he is a person who wants to impose what he thinks he knows , who from what he has shown, knows little, is a person that I consider toxic, that when he doesn't like Someone, he makes them Throw him away, and even if they won something, but they don't win Anything , then the MU is what Makes me laugh for many , and they have the best players, they have a lot of talent together, they did not take advantage of CR7 who was the forward who could take them forward, which made them put him on the bench, as if to make them say that he knew more and that he is not up to the task, now CR7 in Arabia triumphing and Ten Hag here in the MU losing big, then who is the bad guy =? He is the only solution for the MU, so they put any coach in and make that team win, because that team is very good, and it is a shame that they no longer see it with that torment, with that grit that the MU used to see, Now things are not like that.
Any team that plays a little better wins, that's the law. I haven't seen MU win again. It's a team that has the bad luck to be led by a Character like this , because I say something like you, it's not that the team is build based on CR7, otherwise CR7 helps the Team win , since you are Going to have your Best player on the bench, it is something illogical, Ten Hag will never be remembered as the hero of the MU but as the Executioner and Executioner does not ask for Mercy , So in this order of days, the MU should Realize that he is the problem, it is impossible for the players to be so good that they are so many stars, so they leave him out, it is not something that goes well in my logic, My logic tells me that this good team that is the MU is like being in the 1st or 2nd table , there is no other , another result is Already because they have not known how to Do things.

What you say and what I think are more or less the same. Ten Hag may indeed go down as the worst manager in ManU history. He may know something tactically, but I know that he forces them to do it and the players don't want to do it but they know they have to do it by force. I don't understand and frankly I don't like managers who are against star players and Ten Hag is one of them for me now. The main reason why he sent Ronaldo away and didn't sign him is that he put the players under pressure, in the sense that I'm in charge here. In this way he will have full control and if a player doesn't listen to him he will ask for an immediate transfer. The fact that ManU have good, young players and that they don't have cohesion is entirely the responsibility of the manager. If you fail to do this and fail to create cohesion, you lose the chance to play more in the team. Especially if you send a player that some players idolize above your ego and do your best not to let those players benefit from that talent/experience, the team will react to that. This can be good or bad and we see it happening in a completely bad way.
In the Arabian league right now almost every team has star players. In a way we are watching the battle of the star players. The league may not be good, it may not have the strength to compete with the European teams, but the hype is there. Instead of dealing with coaches, players come here and try to do well for a good amount of money. This is of course their choice.
Ten Hag was trying to make Ronaldo look bad, but things didn't work out the way he wanted and he is now showing that he is the real problem. If he doesn't find a way out, it looks like he won't be able to continue as manager at ManU any time soon.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Yep, 100% this. I've said it multiple times already - United's problem is not the coach.
Since Fergie left 10 years ago, they have 1 FA cup, Europa League and 1 League cup - it's simply horrible for a team with basically unlimited budget and player reach.

Half of these 10 years they finished outside of the CL places. They were the best under Mourinho, and they laughed him off of there.

Pretty funny that their fans have been twerking for Qatar, wearing the flag in their social media bio for months. Now the dust is settling and the Glazers are staying, only selling 25% to Jim Ratcliffe. It’s pretty hilarious if you ask me.

[buwaytress]

I'll post the submission sheet for MD3 tomorrow so everyone gets a week to answer. My eye's already on another United loss, so fingers crossed and double-crossed.

Did anyone win anything nice from the Rollbit promo? I just used my freebet today -- a bit unfortunate that you can only put it on a single, or I'd have acca'd it to death. I like upsets but $50 is not what I bet on them =)

P.S. Let's try not to reply with a quote-wall on this thread eh guys? As in, don't quote entire posts on each other... it's just lazy =)

[Igebotz]

Yep, 100% this. I've said it multiple times already - United's problem is not the coach.
Since Fergie left 10 years ago, they have 1 FA cup, Europa League and 1 League cup - it's simply horrible for a team with basically unlimited budget and player reach.

Half of these 10 years they finished outside of the CL places. They were the best under Mourinho, and they laughed him off of there.

Pretty funny that their fans have been twerking for Qatar, wearing the flag in their social media bio for months. Now the dust is settling and the Glazers are staying, only selling 25% to Jim Ratcliffe. It’s pretty hilarious if you ask me.

It's more hilarious and embarrassing that SJK took loan to buy the 25% and the Glazers still control 75% of the club. The only reason Manchester united fans wanted Qatar was to clear club debts and upgrade training facilities. Abramovich not selling Chelsea to SJK was the biggest decision ever!

P.S. Let's try not to reply with a quote-wall on this thread eh guys? As in, don't quote entire posts on each other... it's just lazy =)

Are those guys part of us? I left that discussion due to poor quoting. Trofo EPL mega thread flashes before my eyes.

How did I miss out on the Rolbit freebets! 

[buwaytress]

Greetings, UCL punters, submissions for Matchday 3 are now open! I've submitted my responses first, despite wishing I could wait a little, but no harm, maybe early picks are more clear-headed?

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[execijutiere]

This time it's literally time to take a risk. I took this risk and I hope that if my prediction comes, I think I will get a good score. I literally took a big gamble. Among the matches this week, of course, there are favorite matches and frankly, the difference seems to be getting wider and wider with the frontrunner. Actually, my big teams, the teams that will be the champions league champions at the moment, could have been directly printed with all the stakes, but for some reason I felt like playing like this. I don't know if it's a logical move, but I'll find out for sure on October 25th. Of course I am saying this for google form pool.

[slaman29]

I guess I'm never picking Barca ever on this Pot B contest with the terrible odds, maybe KO rounds I will put big stakes Weird to be feeling this honestly.

This time it's literally time to take a risk. I took this risk and I hope that if my prediction comes, I think I will get a good score. I literally took a big gamble. Among the matches this week, of course, there are favorite matches and frankly, the difference seems to be getting wider and wider with the frontrunner. Actually, my big teams, the teams that will be the champions league champions at the moment, could have been directly printed with all the stakes, but for some reason I felt like playing like this. I don't know if it's a logical move, but I'll find out for sure on October 25th. Of course I am saying this for google form pool.

There's only been 2 rounds played so far, and I got really lucky the last time so I wouldn't just say yet it's time to take a big risk yet!!

I'm personally tempted to try and make the gap even bigger but at the same time I can't afford to make it zero so I must at least go for safety margin this round.

The thing about taking risk is if you lose, the guy who has 10 points on Barca gains 12+points

[swogerino]

This time it's literally time to take a risk. I took this risk and I hope that if my prediction comes, I think I will get a good score. I literally took a big gamble. Among the matches this week, of course, there are favorite matches and frankly, the difference seems to be getting wider and wider with the frontrunner. Actually, my big teams, the teams that will be the champions league champions at the moment, could have been directly printed with all the stakes, but for some reason I felt like playing like this. I don't know if it's a logical move, but I'll find out for sure on October 25th. Of course I am saying this for google form pool.

I think it is to early to put predictions in right now near one week before,we have no real news of the teams,possible injuries,change of starting eleven and all the related things that we should take into consideration before putting our picks in the Pot B here.Risking comes with reward as they say,the bigger the risk the bigger the reward if hit it right.

I will wait and I will not fill them before October 23 and I will make sure not to forget,just put that as a reminder in my Todoist app so I will make sure when that day comes I will be filling the google form.

[execijutiere]

I guess I'm never picking Barca ever on this Pot B contest with the terrible odds, maybe KO rounds I will put big stakes Weird to be feeling this honestly.

This time it's literally time to take a risk. I took this risk and I hope that if my prediction comes, I think I will get a good score. I literally took a big gamble. Among the matches this week, of course, there are favorite matches and frankly, the difference seems to be getting wider and wider with the frontrunner. Actually, my big teams, the teams that will be the champions league champions at the moment, could have been directly printed with all the stakes, but for some reason I felt like playing like this. I don't know if it's a logical move, but I'll find out for sure on October 25th. Of course I am saying this for google form pool.

There's only been 2 rounds played so far, and I got really lucky the last time so I wouldn't just say yet it's time to take a big risk yet!!

I'm personally tempted to try and make the gap even bigger but at the same time I can't afford to make it zero so I must at least go for safety margin this round.

The thing about taking risk is if you lose, the guy who has 10 points on Barca gains 12+points

I can honestly say that I did the right thing for me. It's a small risk I'm taking and I'll know if it's worth the risk after the matches. At the moment, the gap has widened a little bit and it seems like it's time to take a little bit of risk to close this gap. Hopefully I won't be wrong and the team I'm playing for will be victorious. In this way, I can have the chance to close the gap even if it is a little bit.

[Harkorede]

I guess I'm never picking Barca ever on this Pot B contest with the terrible odds, maybe KO rounds I will put big stakes Weird to be feeling this honestly.

This time it's literally time to take a risk. I took this risk and I hope that if my prediction comes, I think I will get a good score. I literally took a big gamble. Among the matches this week, of course, there are favorite matches and frankly, the difference seems to be getting wider and wider with the frontrunner. Actually, my big teams, the teams that will be the champions league champions at the moment, could have been directly printed with all the stakes, but for some reason I felt like playing like this. I don't know if it's a logical move, but I'll find out for sure on October 25th. Of course I am saying this for google form pool.

There's only been 2 rounds played so far, and I got really lucky the last time so I wouldn't just say yet it's time to take a big risk yet!!

I'm personally tempted to try and make the gap even bigger but at the same time I can't afford to make it zero so I must at least go for safety margin this round.

The thing about taking risk is if you lose, the guy who has 10 points on Barca gains 12+points

I think when the time comes it will be worth it to put such points on teams like Barcelona at 1.2, because right now there team with medium risk for 1.5 + Odds that more valuable than having it all Barcelona, for this round there are quite a number of multiple valuable 2+ Odds and ~4+ Odds upsets that are worth backing, I'm however not over thinking it this time around, I have all my eggs in just on basket, and I hope it doesn't backfire because it's not the most convincing stake, but I really just can't bring myself to stress it for this round, so ending the round with more than the initial 10 points would still be more than a good round for me.

[slaman29]

I think when the time comes it will be worth it to put such points on teams like Barcelona at 1.2, because right now there team with medium risk for 1.5 + Odds that more valuable than having it all Barcelona, for this round there are quite a number of multiple valuable 2+ Odds and ~4+ Odds upsets that are worth backing, I'm however not over thinking it this time around, I have all my eggs in just on basket, and I hope it doesn't backfire because it's not the most convincing stake, but I really just can't bring myself to stress it for this round, so ending the round with more than the initial 10 points would still be more than a good round for me.

Yes, that's my feeling on it. Especially if you need to "defend" a position, it could be good to staje safe points and just keep climbing in the hopes that those who take medium and high risk teams get bad results.

I see some draws as potentially good points also but for me it's so hard to pick draws.

Last round we saw a few people go all in one basket like you. I think as the rounds pass, more and more people will go all like this with the desperation of Perez in F1 lol

[execijutiere]

This time it's literally time to take a risk. I took this risk and I hope that if my prediction comes, I think I will get a good score. I literally took a big gamble. Among the matches this week, of course, there are favorite matches and frankly, the difference seems to be getting wider and wider with the frontrunner. Actually, my big teams, the teams that will be the champions league champions at the moment, could have been directly printed with all the stakes, but for some reason I felt like playing like this. I don't know if it's a logical move, but I'll find out for sure on October 25th. Of course I am saying this for google form pool.

I think it is to early to put predictions in right now near one week before,we have no real news of the teams,possible injuries,change of starting eleven and all the related things that we should take into consideration before putting our picks in the Pot B here.Risking comes with reward as they say,the bigger the risk the bigger the reward if hit it right.

I will wait and I will not fill them before October 23 and I will make sure not to forget,just put that as a reminder in my Todoist app so I will make sure when that day comes I will be filling the google form.

Of course, it is up to us to decide early and send them. Since I have a busy schedule, I wanted to send my predictions early in case I forgot. As such, as you said, I took a little risk. Here, frankly, we see our own betting predictions for fun. So you have a virtual money in your hand and there is a win/lose situation every week. I feel like we are improving ourselves and we are on a demo account
I usually make my choices early and this is not a problem for me. Maybe sometimes it is good to do it early, we don't know.
Time will tell.

[slaman29]

I know this is Mens Champions League but does anyone watch Womens Champions League also going now, I heard some rumors that they will soon be sharing timeslots in the future with the new format.

Competitively none are worth watching on betting on, or does anyone actually watch and can say if there are good tips here?