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[Trêvoid]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5588776.new#new

Hi Orangefren I’d like you to look into something. There’s a scam case being reported that appears to be connected to an exchange you’ve listed.

Best regards,
— Trêvoid

[OrangeFren]

I wasn't satisfied with my previous work tbh, so I've updated the sig with new designs, in case you'd like to use it. Sent it through PM as well. Cheers!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5409616.msg66538504#msg66538504

Thanks! Looks very nice! <3

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5588776.new#new

Hi Orangefren I’d like you to look into something. There’s a scam case being reported that appears to be connected to an exchange you’ve listed.

Best regards,
— Trêvoid

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Responded in that thread.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

@OrangeFren, It looks like your mempool site is off yet again. I am not sure what the cause is, but I am seeing a host error. You might want to check it out
The main mempool website (clearnet) is also taking ages to load so I am uncertain if there is a link to the issue

[OrangeFren]

@OrangeFren, It looks like your mempool site is off yet again. I am not sure what the cause is, but I am seeing a host error. You might want to check it out
The main mempool website (clearnet) is also taking ages to load so I am uncertain if there is a link to the issue

Apologies for the downtime. We're changing providers after our deal with PrivateAlps ended


🚨 OpenMonero hacked (again)

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🚨 SolvoCard exit scam

SolvoCard is reported to have rugged 23 users while support is unresponsive.

More info from our friends at kycnot.me: https://kycnot.me/service/solvocardcom#incidents

[dkbit98]

SolvoCard is reported to have rugged 23 users while support is unresponsive.

More info from our friends at kycnot.me: https://kycnot.me/service/solvocardcom#incidents

Just like I suspected 
I tried to warn people as soon as I saw red flags, and I hope nobody from bitcointalk forum lost money with those scammers.
All crypto cards are risky, even legit ones, that is why I would not hold any money on crypto cards for a long time.

[OrangeFren]

SolvoCard is reported to have rugged 23 users while support is unresponsive.

More info from our friends at kycnot.me: https://kycnot.me/service/solvocardcom#incidents

Just like I suspected  
I tried to warn people as soon as I saw red flags, and I hope nobody from bitcointalk forum lost money with those scammers.
All crypto cards are risky, even legit ones, that is why I would not hold any money on crypto cards for a long time.

I know only one person that lost some, but luckily only $60 and they were in the process of reviewing this provider.

I think this is a good opportunity to mention the only service that provides such cards which I can actually wholeheartedly recommend and that's Stealths.net. They've been selling cards like this for years and although they often run out of stock they work well. Most importantly they encourage treating these cards as single-use. Load what you plan on spending, spend, get a new card.

Our prepaid card calculator exists precisely to make it easier to treat these cards as single-use: https://orangefren.com/cards/

[LoyceV]

I think this is a good opportunity to mention the only service that provides such cards which I can actually wholeheartedly recommend and that's Stealths.net. They've been selling cards like this for years

I just checked the site.
Their headline:

Pay stealth, keep prying eyes away

Their fineprint:

Important: Payments are processed through Cryptomus. Use Monero for maximum anonymity. If using transparent blockchains, ensure the source is clean (e.g., reputable exchanges). Avoid high-risk sources like mixers or other high-risk platforms (THORChain, Railgun, Chainflip, ShapeShift etc.), as these may trigger AML checks. Failed AML means the payment won’t reach us, and Cryptomus may require additional verification for refund.

Using Monero is pointless if the payment provider can ask for KYC. I click through, and got "403 Forbidden" in Tor browser. After reloading a few times, it started loading. While loading, I could see it connect to:

Code:

tiktok.com
facebook.com
googleapis.com
googletagmanager.com
and many, many more

That's not very "stealth".

[OrangeFren]

That's not very "stealth".

True, but remember that usually to activate these cards you must look like a "normal" browser anyways. No Tor, no VPN.

[LoyceV]

True, but remember that usually to activate these cards you must look like a "normal" browser anyways. No Tor, no VPN.

That's why I've never used them. I'd like to, but if I pay extra and don't get privacy, I can just as well use the credit card that's tied to my real bank account. I don't see any benefit, only drawbacks.

[examplens]

That's not very "stealth".

True, but remember that usually to activate these cards you must look like a "normal" browser anyways. No Tor, no VPN.

With a payment processor like Cryptomus in the middle, it's hard to consider the service no-kyc and no SoF request safe.

https://www.trustpilot.com/review/cryptomus.com?stars=1

[OrangeFren]

That's not very "stealth".

True, but remember that usually to activate these cards you must look like a "normal" browser anyways. No Tor, no VPN.

With a payment processor like Cryptomus in the middle, it's hard to consider the service no-kyc and no SoF request safe.

https://www.trustpilot.com/review/cryptomus.com?stars=1

I recall Cryptomus recently had some trouble in Canada, because their KYC policy was too relaxed: https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/cryptomus-fined-177-million-fintrac-9.6948338. $177M fine! Lucky for them that it's probably 177M Canadian dollars instead of real dollars 🦅

For big purchases I would advise people to use crypto concierges instead of any card. We just added a table with them to OrangeFren.com yesterday. They're generally used for hotels, flights, laptops, even cars.




Update to affiliated services

Yesterday we re-run an automated check which aims to group together exchanges which we believe likely are associated with each other. The check revealed two clusters:

• QuickEx – Swapgate
• BitXchange – ETZ-Swap – Explace – MIXED – NeverKYC – OctoSwap – PegasusSwap

Following this update BitXchange reached out claiming that they are not associated with any other service.

[LoyceV]

I recall Cryptomus recently had some trouble in Canada, because their KYC policy was too relaxed: https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/cryptomus-fined-177-million-fintrac-9.6948338. $177M fine!

Wow, just wow. I thought those payment processors were much smaller, earning a few percent of a few payments. I never expected them to be able to pay fines this big.

For big purchases I would advise people to use crypto concierges

Who's going to pay 8-10% in fees for this on large purchases?

[mikel_012]

For big purchases I would advise people to use crypto concierges

Who's going to pay 8-10% in fees for this on large purchases?

I think if you have stolen money from hacks or drug money you will pay 10% to not worry about the money entering your bank account directly and less change to get caught using the money. Or if you have too much paranoia about KYC and privacy that you accept this high fee

I read a case where a scammer used Bitrefill to buy food delivery to his house with stolen money but he got caught because they traced to bitrefill and asked for the door dash codes and it was connected to his real address

[OrangeFren]

For big purchases I would advise people to use crypto concierges

Who's going to pay 8-10% in fees for this on large purchases?

I think if you have stolen money from hacks or drug money you will pay 10% to not worry about the money entering your bank account directly and less change to get caught using the money. Or if you have too much paranoia about KYC and privacy that you accept this high fee

I read a case where a scammer used Bitrefill to buy food delivery to his house with stolen money but he got caught because they traced to bitrefill and asked for the door dash codes and it was connected to his real address

I recall running across some site selling money mule debit cards for 11-12%. I don't recall the name of the site, but concierge services being cheaper makes them more attractive.

Furthermore I know that Shopinbit actually has enough scale and experience that they pay a lower base price for some hotels than me or you, so their 10% surcharge can actually be 0 for you. They can also source a product for you.

For instance let's say you want a laptop with a keyboard layout that's unavailable in your region. Shopinbit doesn't just pay for the cart you assembled they also find suppliers and shipping.


Our automated checks regarding suspected affiliation have stirred up additional controversy.

Our checks revealed a link between Quickex and Swapgate. It's also public knowledge that Swapgate is a whitelabel of Quickex. Nevertheless Quickex have objected that our fully automatic checks, which primarily consider which tech stack each exchange uses, revealed a connection.

[mikel_012]

I recall running across some site selling money mule debit cards for 11-12%. I don't recall the name of the site, but concierge services being cheaper makes them more attractive.

Furthermore I know that Shopinbit actually has enough scale and experience that they pay a lower base price for some hotels than me or you, so their 10% surcharge can actually be 0 for you. They can also source a product for you.

For instance let's say you want a laptop with a keyboard layout that's unavailable in your region. Shopinbit doesn't just pay for the cart you assembled they also find suppliers and shipping.

Ohh in this case it can make sense to use a service like this and pay for the convenience

A similar idea is offered by Mastercard concierge where they find and book famous restaurants or events for you, like World Cup tickets. If they work all day with this they acquire contacts and experience to solve any problem you throw at them, and there is a fee paid because they want you as a credit card customer when they earn from fees with every buy you make

[OrangeFren]

hide [dot] cash scam

Our friends from kycnot.me have uncovered yesterday that a swapper called hide [dot] cash is scam. We never had this service on our website.

I want to share with you two comments I saw discussing the situation:



"They looked clean"
"They were offering 20% bonus on swap"

I hope it's now clear for everyone why we discourage in the strongest of terms the use of vibe coded directories. Stick to kycnot.me.

Or use OrangeFren.com of course . We're good too. We're working on a small new partnership with knm, stay tuned for the details

[dkbit98]

True, but remember that usually to activate these cards you must look like a "normal" browser anyways. No Tor, no VPN.

There are several crypto cards that work with with vpn/tor, and they are not related with stealths.

Who's going to pay 8-10% in fees for this on large purchases?

Please remind me how much percentage do you pay to your government for holding and using Bitcoin?
I don't know exact numbers but I am sure it's a lot higher than 10% 
Some people just dont want to pay extortion fees.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

hide [dot] cash scam

Our friends from kycnot.me have uncovered yesterday that a swapper called hide [dot] cash is scam. We never had this service on our website.

The domain name alone raises eyebrows for me. It's as shady as it comes 

Most of the mushrooming directories do not have any genuine intentions. I have a feeling some are created to promote their scam instant exchanges, and this takes us back to the time of fake review pages that contained fake or scam bitcoin mixers. I think scammers have realized that this is a lucrative venture

Stick to kycncot.me.

Looks like you made a small mistake. That second "c" is not part of the domain name.

[LoyceV]

I think if you have stolen money from hacks or drug money you will pay 10% to not worry about the money entering your bank account directly and less change to get caught using the money.

I highly doubt registered legit concierge services will handle stolen money and let you get away with it when they get questions about it.

Or if you have too much paranoia about KYC and privacy that you accept this high fee

In that case it's even worse to tell a third party you're using crypto, followed by your shipping address.

I read a case where a scammer used Bitrefill to buy food delivery to his house with stolen money but he got caught because they traced to bitrefill and asked for the door dash codes and it was connected to his real address

That's easy to prevent: don't steal money

Who's going to pay 8-10% in fees for this on large purchases?

Please remind me how much percentage do you pay to your government for holding and using Bitcoin?

Taxes here will be a mathematical limit approaching 100% in the long run.

I don't know exact numbers but I am sure it's a lot higher than 10%  
Some people just dont want to pay extortion fees.

It's going to be tough explaining how you got that lambo

[OrangeFren]

Stick to kycncot.me.

Looks like you made a small mistake. That second "c" is not part of the domain name.

Thanks! Fixed it!

That's easy to prevent: don't steal money
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It's going to be tough explaining how you got that lambo

I agree. Don't steal money

Explaning a lambo is fairly easily actually. Just make sure it's never technically yours. You just happen to drive it, but it's owned by some entity somewhere. Maybe a company. Maybe a foundation. Maybe a trust... So many options