Germans are looking to firewood for energy as natural gas prices soar

[dark1234]

Or they could just buy lots of red hot chilli peppers, store them to last up to spring. It warms the body without having to burn anything.  Just add 3 chilli peppers to a noddle soup and its good. Add peppers to every food thats to be eaten. Food is importanter than gas in the long run.

I don't know if you're serious about the chili part. That just trick your body into thinking you're hot. That's why Thais love them, they sweat and then it evaporates and cool them down. But yes, food is definitely important in helping keep the body warm. Maybe they can adjust the heating to be lower than they're used to and just put on an extra layer or two of clothing.

do we always eat chili and consume it, of course this is not friendly to the body. I prefer to use SPICE/REMPAH drinks, like what Asian people do to brew drinks by adding ginger, turmeric, kapulogo and others [whose benefits are the same] we find so many in the asia area, so that not only warmth is obtained but immunity and stamina are maintained in times of extreme weather.

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[Lucius]

The interesting is that people are not realizing "why" firewood is used right now as alternative and why it is a good thing. The real deal is that Germans realized long time ago Russians can't be trusted and Putin is the evil person in the world today, history always had those evil people, maybe Putin is not as bad as Hitler, but certainly the worst for the world today.

Unfortunately, Germany and the EU did not do anything after the Russian attack on Crimea, because if that had been the case, then today such stories would be completely pointless. Eight years have passed since then, and everything continued as if nothing had happened, and if we had reacted then as we do now, we might have prevented this bloody war that has been going on for months.

So instead of gas, oil, petrol whatever that you can get from Russia, they would use firewood, but not forever neither. Even though as you mentioned it is not as bad as people imagine, it is still not a forever thing, Europe is trying to build self-energy sustainable ways and when that happens, firewood will slowly fade out again.

Firewood will be used only by those who have the conditions for it, and you cannot use firewood if you live in an apartment building that does not have a chimney - unless you push the stove pipe through the window. If we look at the infographic, less than 50% of German households use gas for heating, the rest have some other alternatives. As I already stated in my previous post, wood can be used for heating, and even without a major impact on the environment if it is used and produced in a sustainable way.

[DrBeer]

While the propaganda media of the terrorist country and their henchmen are spreading a horror story from an alternative pseudo-reality about how the whole of Europe will freeze without Russian gas, in Germany, in reality the situation is as follows:
- As of August 31, the filling of gas storages exceeded 85% and the rate of gas accumulation exceeded the filling rate for the last 5 years. This is provided that gas consumption will be reduced by 15%, which means that with this nuance, storage facilities have 100% of the required reserve, taking into account the deduction of 15% for reducing gas consumption. BUT! The purchase of gas has not ended yet
- The German government announced the allocation of 65 billion euros to help businesses and the public.

Well, how did the Kremlin terrorists achieve results with terrorism?

[Wind_FURY]

Any alternative with supplies will cost a lot more due to logistical problems. Therefore, a more likely scenario is the purchase of Russian gas in other countries, and according to documents, it will not come from Russia.

I don't think so - because of the same logistical problems. In order to resell Russian gas to the European Union in a democratic package, the intermediary must have some kind of surplus, and no one has such surplus now. Hungary recently agreed with Gazprom on additional gas supplies in the amount of several million cubic meters per day, which will come through the Turkish Stream - and this is perhaps all that the European Union can count on. If Hungary wants to share.

Wasn't Germany the intermediary before? I believe that there might be a conspiracy here. Tin-foil hats on, but the United States might have something to do with this. Because when Germany, the intermediary, has been importing more and more Natural Gas from Russia, they also started being less dependent on U.S. Gas. Isn't possible that the U.S. wants the E.U. to be more dependent on them than the Russians?

[pooya87]

- As of August 31, the filling of gas storages exceeded 85%

Once again your hatred of Russia blinded you about other propaganda. First of all their full 100% storage is only enough for a week or two of gas consumption in normal situation, not even during cold season when consumption increases.
Secondly they are counting the gas that was supposed to be received from US and elsewhere as part of that storage whereas they haven't sent that gas yet!

- The German government announced the allocation of 65 billion euros to help businesses and the public.

In other words the economic situation is so much worse that we thought. We should expect a much bigger inflation due to this money printing policy in near future on top of everything else.

[be.open]

Any alternative with supplies will cost a lot more due to logistical problems. Therefore, a more likely scenario is the purchase of Russian gas in other countries, and according to documents, it will not come from Russia.

I don't think so - because of the same logistical problems. In order to resell Russian gas to the European Union in a democratic package, the intermediary must have some kind of surplus, and no one has such surplus now. Hungary recently agreed with Gazprom on additional gas supplies in the amount of several million cubic meters per day, which will come through the Turkish Stream - and this is perhaps all that the European Union can count on. If Hungary wants to share.

Wasn't Germany the intermediary before? I believe that there might be a conspiracy here. Tin-foil hats on, but the United States might have something to do with this. Because when Germany, the intermediary, has been importing more and more Natural Gas from Russia, they also started being less dependent on U.S. Gas. Isn't possible that the U.S. wants the E.U. to be more dependent on them than the Russians?

Yep. Germany was an intermediary and resold gas to neighbors through a virtual or physical reverse, but now this is in the past - Germany itself does not have enough gas in the conditions of the Nord Stream shutdown.

[LoyceV]

Isn't possible that the U.S. wants the E.U. to be more dependent on them than the Russians?

Probably. You don't need tin-foil hats for that: most countries would rather have business for themselves than for another country.

their full 100% storage is only enough for a week or two of gas consumption in normal situation, not even during cold season when consumption increases.

That's incorrect:

Refilling gas inventories to 95% full by November would only cover about 2-1/2 months of heating, industrial and power demand if Russia cuts off supplies completely, according to Klaus Mueller, president of the Federal Network Agency

Secondly they are counting the gas that was supposed to be received from US and elsewhere as part of that storage whereas they haven't sent that gas yet!

I haven't seen this before. Do you have a reference link?

In other words the economic situation is so much worse that we thought. We should expect a much bigger inflation due to this money printing policy in near future on top of everything else.

Agreed. We're pretty much fucked at the moment.

[bakasabo]

Germans and Europe is dependable from Russian gas, wheat war, oil price growth - sometimes I am amazed how countries blindly became fully dependable from their neighbor and never had Plan B in case something happens. Politicians must have foreseen such cases and be ready to act or give a reasonable alternative. I dont count consumption reduction is a way out of this situation. How many times we need to cut gas consumption, that will make everyone happy and had enough of it? Firewood is not infinite. What will be offered to burn next to get warm ?

[LoyceV]

What will be offered to burn next to get warm ?

Bills and eviction notices

[bakasabo]

What will be offered to burn next to get warm ?

Bills and eviction notices

A minute of black humor. Somewhere in the Internet I've seen a funny picture - "how to fight with poverty and hunger - let hungry people eat poor people" two problems solved simultaneously. That is an answer what should be burned next. It might turn that all of a sudden amount of gas supply is enough for everybody.

Sad to realize that only small part of people understand real problem natural resources. A lot of people know that their monthly bill amount to be paid soon will look like telephone number, but people prefer to smile, joke and only complain about that. I expect new offers from banks to appear - loans to pay utility bill.

[LoyceV]

Sad to realize that only small part of people understand real problem natural resources.

Also sad many politicians don't understand it either. The focus has been on CO₂ and the climate for a long time, up to the point of storing CO₂ underground. But none of that solves the supply problems, and I believe a shortage of resources is going to be a much bigger problem than rising temperatures.

[P2PECS]

Sad to realize that only small part of people understand real problem natural resources.

Also sad many politicians don't understand it either. The focus has been on CO₂ and the climate for a long time, up to the point of storing CO₂ underground. But none of that solves the supply problems, and I believe a shortage of resources is going to be a much bigger problem than rising temperatures.

For me the main problem is having 7.7 billion people on earth and growing. Production has also increased exponentially but resources are not infinite. I hope that there will come a time when growth stops, stabilizes and may even start to decrease, but it is not clear to me to what extent the natural resources will be able to withstand so many billion parasites gobbling them up.

[LoyceV]

I hope that there will come a time when growth stops, stabilizes and may even start to decrease

One way or another, that will happen at some point. It's simply math: Wikipedia puts "us" at 1.1% growth. That's 5.6 million percent in 1000 years, or about 450 trillion people. With less than 145 million km² land surface area, that's a cosy 3 people per m². I'm pretty sure "we" start killing each other long before that, but I'm kinda hoping to reach a more peaceful equilibrium.

[pooya87]

I haven't seen this before. Do you have a reference link?

There is no reliable sources for any data which is affecting national security during war times! Not to mention that there are already enough protests around Europe.

It is a simple analysis: Where did Germany get that much gas to fill the storages? It's a matter of supply and consumption, there is significantly decreased supply + slightly decreased consumption; so there is definitely no excess gas to be added to storage.

1. Russia significantly decreased the gas exports very early in the war (down to 40% and 20% exports to EU and they even recently shut down Nord Stream I which is completely removing part of that export).
2. Germany hasn't been able to secure other sources either.
2.1. US hasn't fulfilled the promises and they even created 2 fake explosions in their LNG ports which aren't going to be fixed this year (they needed to dump that gas domestically to keep the price down inside US and save their own economy).
2.2. No success with Canada (they keep saying they can send LNG but they haven't yet!)
2.3. Qatar, Iraq, other Arabs haven't been able to increase their production to send anything major to Europe let alone to Germany. Not to mention they already have other customers elsewhere that have increased their own demands.
2.4. Iran with one of the biggest gas reserves isn't going to send anything (oil or gas) towards EU any time soon
2.5. Turkey (a lot of gas was going through it towards Europe) is being greedy and wants to get gas for $350 then resell it to Europe for $4200 so at least 14 billion cubic meter (that's the confirmed amount which could be higher) export to Turkey was halted.
3. For the very little gas left in the global market, there is a lot of demand elsewhere specially in other parts of Europe, not much is left for Germany.
4. Germany does't have the capability to go in another country and either steal their gas or force them to give it to them like what Brits and French have been doing over the past couple of months in North African and West Asia.

The best case scenario is that they haven't yet touched the stockpiles and the storages are a little less than half full. If you add the amount US promised to send (but hasn't yet) to this amount you get to about 85%.
This is one of the contributing factors to Uniper needing $19 billion bailout money.

[stompix]

I haven't seen this before. Do you have a reference link?

Iranian propaganda office!
Haven't you seen what he's up to lately, Iran destroyed 1 trillion of US equipment in a raid, Iran is the new of the world superpower, Iran doesn't care about sanctions, 6000 US soldiers have been killed by Iran special forces, Iran has destroyed 2 F35 in combat, UK has agreed to pay 2 billion for two spies captured by Iran, all the same bullshit.
His latest piece of comedy was :

The fate of US and EU economy depends on Iran's decision whether to remove the sanctions on the West or keep them there to increase the pressure.

He's lost all his marbles!

Europe data is free for everyone to look at it real time:
https://agsi.gie.eu/

The storage is full by 81.55% and was still rising despite NS1 being shut down, it has 907TWh worth of gas and that is enough currently for 21.85% of the annual consumption without any!!! any imports or internal production, gas coming from Norway, Romania, Netherlands or Algeria, and Azerbaijan.

[pooya87]

Iran destroyed 1 trillion of US equipment in a raid,

Not just in a raid, in multiple openly admitted attacks against US bases in North Africa and Middle East like Al-Asad airbase and Erbil.

Iran is the new of the world superpower,

You probably know more than former CENTCOM commander Gen. McKenzie.

Iran doesn't care about sanctions,

I don't think I've said that. Sanctions definitely have hurt Iranians but they never achieved what they wanted them to achieve, in fact it did the exact opposite.

6000 US soldiers have been killed by Iran special forces, Iran has destroyed 2 F35 in combat,

LOL

UK has agreed to pay 2 billion for two spies captured by Iran,

I never said "agreed to" I said they already paid and it wasn't 2 billion it was half a billion:

~the news about UK buying 2 of their spies from Iran for half a billion dollar~

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nazanin-zaghari-ratcliffe-nazanin-uk-iran-b2037030.html
Funny how they paid this much money only for these two specific people and don't even give a shit about the other 6 or 7 UK nationals in Iranian prisons.

He's lost all his marbles!

Feel free to prove the points I raised here or here are wrong kiddo.

[boumalo]

Germany remains the most exposed, as it is almost entirely dependent on Russian gas imports. Despite having by far the largest storage tanks in Europe, its demand for gas is equally large and its tanks only hold 108 days of consumption – full tanks would run dry on February 16 and they are currently only 60% full, which would be emptied on December 8 if Russia turned off the gas tomorrow.

EU​​ Gas represents 21.5% of EU's primary energy consumption. It is the dominant source of energy for households (32.1%)

Storage levels and storage capacity vary greatly in the EU (chart). The tanks in Poland and Portugal are already close to 100% full. However, even the full tanks in Poland and Portugal are not enough to get through the whole winter. They hold enough gas for 79 days of consumption and 24 days respectively. That means without new supplies during the winter they would run out of gas by January 18 and November 24 respectively if all gas supplies were cut off from the current levels of gas stored.

Indeed, this is the case for all the countries of Europe; most countries’ storage doesn’t hold enough gas to last the whole winter. The exceptions are the Slovak Republic and Austria (chart), where their tanks do hold enough gas to get to the end of the heating season if full. Everyone else starts running out of gas as soon as October (assuming gas withdrawals start on October 1, but a mild winter means drawdowns can start as late as the start of November), although some survive until February. Czechia is in the third best position, as its tanks can last to April 5 if full.
(https://www.intellinews.com/how-many-days-of-gas-consumption-are-in-europe-s-storage-tanks-250065/)

[stompix]

Not just in a raid, in multiple openly admitted attacks against US bases in North Africa and Middle East like Al-Asad airbase and Erbil.

Which never happened anywhere else but in Iranian media.

You probably know more than former CENTCOM commander Gen. McKenzie.

Again, this only happened if you twist the words and change the person and the country to which he was referring.

I don't think I've said that. Sanctions definitely have hurt Iranians but they never achieved what they wanted them to achieve, in fact it did the exact opposite.

A picture worth 100 million propagandists:
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.CD?end=2021&locations=IR-IL&start=2009


Oh sorry, my bad I forgot you're an antisemite, so let me redo this, let's try another economic global power:


 

I never said "agreed to" I said they already paid and it wasn't 2 billion it was half a billion:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nazanin-zaghari-ratcliffe-nazanin-uk-iran-b2037030.html

First paragraph:

Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe was released by Iran after the UK paid a £400m debt to Tehran, Iranian state media has reported.

So another fairytale.

Feel free to prove the points

Feel free to comment on what LoyceV has asked you about the gas supply and why you claimed what you did while knowing shit.
Better luck next time, come with a different story and make it more believable!

[be.open]

Europe data is free for everyone to look at it real time:
https://agsi.gie.eu/

The storage is full by 81.55% and was still rising despite NS1 being shut down, it has 907TWh worth of gas and that is enough currently for 21.85% of the annual consumption without any!!! any imports or internal production, gas coming from Norway, Romania, Netherlands or Algeria, and Azerbaijan.

Well, it's nice, at least someone is doing well. I also think that the European Union will be able to cope without the supply of energy resources from Russia and there is no need to dramatize the situation. And if the firewood runs out, you can heat the stoves with books by Tolstoy and Dostoevsky, to spite Putin.

[pooya87]

Which never happened anywhere else but in Iranian media.

You are right, The United States Defense Department is the name of THE Iranian Media and that eagle thing is THE logo of the Iran's national TV and The Planet releasing the satelite images of the aftermath is an Iranian company

~

In other words you had nothing to say about any of the points I raised and are just wasting my time by going off-topic.
Back to ignore list. I wonder where you live though and how does your energy bill feel like with all the gas that is "stored"...