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May 27, 2023, 03:48:16 PM
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I have no idea how it can make a big deal in gambling if it's all about data analysis when the game is all about luck. I only think of these AI are something good to roll your dice depending on your most recent roll but it's already being done and made by the casinos, most of them have the autoroll feature.
But we are talking about poker, that's not just about pure luck. Otherwise same people wouldn't keep ending up to finals, it would be totally random bunch of people every time. With live poker, if you don't have a clue who is being played out from the table it's probably you. You can sense a lot on what people bet and on which kind of hands, who is losing their cool and then there are just pure mathetmatical probablilities you could count if you have a good head for it. With AI you don't have to count.

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May 27, 2023, 11:25:24 PM
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I have no idea how it can make a big deal in gambling if it's all about data analysis when the game is all about luck. I only think of these AI are something good to roll your dice depending on your most recent roll but it's already being done and made by the casinos, most of them have the autoroll feature.
But we are talking about poker, that's not just about pure luck. Otherwise same people wouldn't keep ending up to finals, it would be totally random bunch of people every time. With live poker, if you don't have a clue who is being played out from the table it's probably you. You can sense a lot on what people bet and on which kind of hands, who is losing their cool and then there are just pure mathetmatical probablilities you could count if you have a good head for it. With AI you don't have to count.
That's why I can't still get how it'll be with it in any gambling game and even in poker. There's no data on such since the deck will always be shuffled and if it's a data based on the last cards on everyone's hand.

I still don't understand how the AI will come up with the suggestion or solution whether you'll have to fold or check or raise.

But maybe that's just me and I'm still quite confused into understanding not until I see it become a reality.

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May 27, 2023, 11:53:56 PM
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How easy will it be to use chat GTP on poker games be it to compete fairly or cheat the game, but then you must be ready to contend with the casino since its you vs them when using external tool such as this to change the reality of the games.

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May 28, 2023, 08:42:42 AM
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I have no idea how it can make a big deal in gambling if it's all about data analysis when the game is all about luck. I only think of these AI are something good to roll your dice depending on your most recent roll but it's already being done and made by the casinos, most of them have the autoroll feature.
But we are talking about poker, that's not just about pure luck. Otherwise same people wouldn't keep ending up to finals, it would be totally random bunch of people every time. With live poker, if you don't have a clue who is being played out from the table it's probably you. You can sense a lot on what people bet and on which kind of hands, who is losing their cool and then there are just pure mathetmatical probablilities you could count if you have a good head for it. With AI you don't have to count.
That's why I can't still get how it'll be with it in any gambling game and even in poker. There's no data on such since the deck will always be shuffled and if it's a data based on the last cards on everyone's hand.

I still don't understand how the AI will come up with the suggestion or solution whether you'll have to fold or check or raise.

But maybe that's just me and I'm still quite confused into understanding not until I see it become a reality.

AI can't guarantee a win because luck is a factor in poker game too. It's not a decisive factor, but still some outcomes depend on it. I saw a game on YouTube where one player had four of a kind Aces and therefore she called all-in from another player, but it appeared that that another player had straight flush. AI would never suggest to fold with four of a kind Aces, however smart it was. But such cases are rare, and I think in general AI can be very helpful in poker game.

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May 28, 2023, 06:07:19 PM
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That's definitely not a possibility real soon. There are many glitches in the language and the way ChatGPT works. Most of the time its answers are based on the open source texts available throughout the internet. Yes, it can access billions of texts, scramble them, rearrange, phrase them, correct and construct complex sentences, and give a fruitful output for the question that we asked.

I highly doubt that such AI would be capable of playing the poker game. Yes AI is very advanced tech right now, but you need to teach the AI, and its logic is formulated based on those learnings.

ChatGPT is not specific to playing games. There is just zero chance it may even be able to think stuff about it.

Your opinion is very valid and more than I feel that you have used it, I cannot say much because I have not interacted with the AI, but you are one of the few people who are clear in its scope, some see the AI as the Holy Grail, and despite I know that I have not interacted, I know that it has a long way to go, because this is like when the Mark1 came out, everyone was amazed at what it could do, it was just 1 prototype of what is now something very normal, minituaired, and this is an analogy simple of what AI can represent today that what it will be in 3-4-5 to 10 years that will be something impressive.


Yeah right, the improvement will continue and who knows if what AI can bring after 5-10 years, we really don't know if how accurate and how it can be developed. But one thing is also for sure that in the even that AI will have a better understanding of how the possible outcome, gambling owners will also adjust and will do the best counter to make sure that they still have the advantage.

In the sense of pushing things to gambling, adjustments from the other side will need to anticipate, it's business and they will do everything to protect the business.
Quite the savvy outlook, partner, and you've lassoed quite the nugget of wisdom there, especially with the hat tip to the good ol' Mark1. Indeed, AI stands at the break of dawn, not too different from where the mighty computers found themselves a few moons ago.

Nevertheless, let's not misplace this crucial caveat: despite AI still cutting its teeth, it holds a future riddled with potential, brighter than a coin at the end of a rainbow! Picture, if you will, an epoch where AI's data digestion and comprehension skills are so honed, it's like a crystal ball for market trends, rendering it a veritable golden goose for our trader and investor brethren.

However, it would be quite the folly to lose sight of this – as our dear AI evolves into a strapping entity, the tactics employed by casinos and their online counterparts aren't going to be left in the dust. Oh no, it's an arms race, my friend, a never-ending chase of cat and mouse. No stone will be left unturned in their pursuit of leveraging the same AI tech to maintain their house edge. Therefore, while we envisage the AI landscape undergoing massive upgrades, one ought to keep an eye out for the double-edged implications of its progress.

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May 28, 2023, 10:09:33 PM
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I have no idea how it can make a big deal in gambling if it's all about data analysis when the game is all about luck. I only think of these AI are something good to roll your dice depending on your most recent roll but it's already being done and made by the casinos, most of them have the autoroll feature.
But we are talking about poker, that's not just about pure luck. Otherwise same people wouldn't keep ending up to finals, it would be totally random bunch of people every time. With live poker, if you don't have a clue who is being played out from the table it's probably you. You can sense a lot on what people bet and on which kind of hands, who is losing their cool and then there are just pure mathetmatical probablilities you could count if you have a good head for it. With AI you don't have to count.
That's why I can't still get how it'll be with it in any gambling game and even in poker. There's no data on such since the deck will always be shuffled and if it's a data based on the last cards on everyone's hand.

I still don't understand how the AI will come up with the suggestion or solution whether you'll have to fold or check or raise.

But maybe that's just me and I'm still quite confused into understanding not until I see it become a reality.

AI can't guarantee a win because luck is a factor in poker game too. It's not a decisive factor, but still some outcomes depend on it. I saw a game on YouTube where one player had four of a kind Aces and therefore she called all-in from another player, but it appeared that that another player had straight flush. AI would never suggest to fold with four of a kind Aces, however smart it was. But such cases are rare, and I think in general AI can be very helpful in poker game.

It can be very useful in poker, but for those of us who have been taught and have been taking courses to learn how to play poker better, I think that it is not nice for one to play and get a lot of AI where it will not give you the opportunity to to win, because it feels like the time learned in the game has been wasted, and that is something that is so angry that just like the others use AI to play poker, it will not be enough to continue losing, the same thing is done, it is sought an AI to also play and whoever wins the best AI, that's what it has been becoming in games.
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May 29, 2023, 06:16:38 AM
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I have no idea how it can make a big deal in gambling if it's all about data analysis when the game is all about luck. I only think of these AI are something good to roll your dice depending on your most recent roll but it's already being done and made by the casinos, most of them have the autoroll feature.
But we are talking about poker, that's not just about pure luck. Otherwise same people wouldn't keep ending up to finals, it would be totally random bunch of people every time. With live poker, if you don't have a clue who is being played out from the table it's probably you. You can sense a lot on what people bet and on which kind of hands, who is losing their cool and then there are just pure mathetmatical probablilities you could count if you have a good head for it. With AI you don't have to count.
That's why I can't still get how it'll be with it in any gambling game and even in poker. There's no data on such since the deck will always be shuffled and if it's a data based on the last cards on everyone's hand.

I still don't understand how the AI will come up with the suggestion or solution whether you'll have to fold or check or raise.

But maybe that's just me and I'm still quite confused into understanding not until I see it become a reality.

AI can't guarantee a win because luck is a factor in poker game too. It's not a decisive factor, but still some outcomes depend on it. I saw a game on YouTube where one player had four of a kind Aces and therefore she called all-in from another player, but it appeared that that another player had straight flush. AI would never suggest to fold with four of a kind Aces, however smart it was. But such cases are rare, and I think in general AI can be very helpful in poker game.

It can be very useful in poker, but for those of us who have been taught and have been taking courses to learn how to play poker better, I think that it is not nice for one to play and get a lot of AI where it will not give you the opportunity to to win, because it feels like the time learned in the game has been wasted, and that is something that is so angry that just like the others use AI to play poker, it will not be enough to continue losing, the same thing is done, it is sought an AI to also play and whoever wins the best AI, that's what it has been becoming in games.


I don't think that is the best use of AI in online gambling, because if does, we just created a robot to gamble for us. And the actual gamblers become a mere spectators. if not abused, chatgpt won't be destructive with online poker when use correctly. Like using it in a way of suggestive what move next, or tips. NOT to entirely play the game automated.  In fact, it will lead to more players and make it easier to understand the game for the newbies. It will give excitement that every gambler would wish for the same goes for the house. Because new players mean new money to engage with.


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I don't think that is the best use of AI in online gambling, because if does, we just created a robot to gamble for us. And the actual gamblers become a mere spectators. if not abused, chatgpt won't be destructive with online poker when use correctly. Like using it in a way of suggestive what move next, or tips. NOT to entirely play the game automated.  In fact, it will lead to more players and make it easier to understand the game for the newbies. It will give excitement that every gambler would wish for the same goes for the house. Because new players mean new money to engage with.
Well, it could be that in the future, there will be robots to gamble so we can only watch them, but somehow it would feel like we were used to gambling but at that time, we were just spectators. Many gamblers will not hand over their money to a robot and take the risk by asking the robot to bet.

But it could invite more players to try out the AI robot and it's true that it's a nice thing for the casinos as they have more opportunities to profit from losing gamblers. But the casino also won't let gamblers freely use AI robots because casinos will also use AI robots to restrain the performance of AI robots from players so they don't win easily.

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May 29, 2023, 12:03:00 PM
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How easy will it be to use chat GTP on poker games be it to compete fairly or cheat the game, but then you must be ready to contend with the casino since its you vs them when using external tool such as this to change the reality of the games.

Unfortunately, automation continues to take over the spheres of production and IT, and of course games. It's bad that progress becomes a problem. For example, it is now almost impossible to get the distribution of retrodrops if you do not have a farm of fake accounts. It's the same with chatGPT in relation to poker. Those who have the skills of programming and managing bots will easily be able to deceive the casino sites, and how to defend themselves from this is not yet clear.

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Unfortunately i think it is a feasible step as soon as chatgpt has full access to the internet it will be possible to program it with the best poker and blackjack games and to play it automatically

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This might not happen now but it is going to take sometimes for this to happen if the chatgpt is advanced and had been coded in a way that it will be sophisticated enough to destroy poker. I don't think this is the reason why the artificial intelligence is developed and I have also tried most time to ask this kind of questions without getting an answer because it was not built for something like that.
I personally believe that never a time will chatGPT have the capacity or and capability to destroy poker, no matter how advance it becomes, poker is a game played by many people, even those in the government, military and other security arm forces, the developers of chatGPT are not scammers, neither are they hackers, and their identity is out there, if ever they would code chatGPT in such a way it becomes a threat to poker, I believe casinos will file a complaint against them and the government/security agents wil go after the developers, it's that simple.
You are right that poker is played by many people including people in high class but I hope you are not trying to underestimate the power of artificial intelligence. This is only the beginning and we are still going to see more uses where AI can be use to achieve a big goal that will surprise you too.ets give it 4 to 7 years from now and see if poker games will not be taken over by artificial intelligence.

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This might not happen now but it is going to take sometimes for this to happen if the chatgpt is advanced and had been coded in a way that it will be sophisticated enough to destroy poker. I don't think this is the reason why the artificial intelligence is developed and I have also tried most time to ask this kind of questions without getting an answer because it was not built for something like that.
I personally believe that never a time will chatGPT have the capacity or and capability to destroy poker, no matter how advance it becomes, poker is a game played by many people, even those in the government, military and other security arm forces, the developers of chatGPT are not scammers, neither are they hackers, and their identity is out there, if ever they would code chatGPT in such a way it becomes a threat to poker, I believe casinos will file a complaint against them and the government/security agents wil go after the developers, it's that simple.
You are right that poker is played by many people including people in high class but I hope you are not trying to underestimate the power of artificial intelligence. This is only the beginning and we are still going to see more uses where AI can be use to achieve a big goal that will surprise you too.ets give it 4 to 7 years from now and see if poker games will not be taken over by artificial intelligence.
Every developing technology cannot be rightly predicted and you cannot say because the developers are known it then means they cannot misuse it. There is always an abuse of every technology and there is no how you can check it totally.
Take for instance take this forum as an example. It is against the rule to use chatGPT in making contributions here but has it stopped people to use it for conversations here? There will always be an abuse, poker might be hijacked in the future by technology.

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This might not happen now but it is going to take sometimes for this to happen if the chatgpt is advanced and had been coded in a way that it will be sophisticated enough to destroy poker. I don't think this is the reason why the artificial intelligence is developed and I have also tried most time to ask this kind of questions without getting an answer because it was not built for something like that.
I personally believe that never a time will chatGPT have the capacity or and capability to destroy poker, no matter how advance it becomes, poker is a game played by many people, even those in the government, military and other security arm forces, the developers of chatGPT are not scammers, neither are they hackers, and their identity is out there, if ever they would code chatGPT in such a way it becomes a threat to poker, I believe casinos will file a complaint against them and the government/security agents wil go after the developers, it's that simple.
You are right that poker is played by many people including people in high class but I hope you are not trying to underestimate the power of artificial intelligence. This is only the beginning and we are still going to see more uses where AI can be use to achieve a big goal that will surprise you too.ets give it 4 to 7 years from now and see if poker games will not be taken over by artificial intelligence.
Using artificial intelligence in gambling is not orderly good from my own understanding but other people might think that yes it is good because I am seeing the Way you are complimenting the ideas of using artificial intelligent and gambling especially in poker kind of game so it depends on your strategic points and their understanding

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Quite the savvy outlook, partner, and you've lassoed quite the nugget of wisdom there, especially with the hat tip to the good ol' Mark1. Indeed, AI stands at the break of dawn, not too different from where the mighty computers found themselves a few moons ago.

Nevertheless, let's not misplace this crucial caveat: despite AI still cutting its teeth, it holds a future riddled with potential, brighter than a coin at the end of a rainbow! Picture, if you will, an epoch where AI's data digestion and comprehension skills are so honed, it's like a crystal ball for market trends, rendering it a veritable golden goose for our trader and investor brethren.

However, it would be quite the folly to lose sight of this – as our dear AI evolves into a strapping entity, the tactics employed by casinos and their online counterparts aren't going to be left in the dust. Oh no, it's an arms race, my friend, a never-ending chase of cat and mouse. No stone will be left unturned in their pursuit of leveraging the same AI tech to maintain their house edge. Therefore, while we envisage the AI landscape undergoing massive upgrades, one ought to keep an eye out for the double-edged implications of its progress.
That's obviously right, casino owners won't just give up and let AIs take over the industry and ruin their businesses because if AIs master the art of gambling and winning more than humans, it will probably be a matter of concern for casinos and their owners, and as you said, they will definitely work on something to counter these issues.

If AI can be used to gamble and win, it can also be used to stop AI or at least increase the chances of the casino's wins, but we are still pretty far away from that era in my opinion, it will take decades for that to happen.
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That's obviously right, casino owners won't just give up and let AIs take over the industry and ruin their businesses because if AIs master the art of gambling and winning more than humans, it will probably be a matter of concern for casinos and their owners, and as you said, they will definitely work on something to counter these issues.

If AI can be used to gamble and win, it can also be used to stop AI or at least increase the chances of the casino's wins, but we are still pretty far away from that era in my opinion, it will take decades for that to happen.
It is not entirely clear what will happen when the AI ​​plays against the alternative AI? 

Everyone now understands that AI is such a single substance, a super brain and the only center for making the only right decisions.  But is it really so? 
The fact is that there is no unambiguous solution to many issues of human life.  Take, for example, works of art.  In America, many admire the paintings of Andy Warhol.  And the pygmies from Oceania or the inhabitants of Zimbabwe, for example, consider these paintings to be daubs and nonsense.  Smiley
And each group of people has completely different opinions.  And what opinion AI will adhere to depends on what kind of worldview the people who create it have.  So probably for a long time humanity will understand such issues of alternative solutions. 
And accordingly, the use of AI in gambling is also quite problematic.

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I don't think that is the best use of AI in online gambling, because if does, we just created a robot to gamble for us. And the actual gamblers become a mere spectators. if not abused, chatgpt won't be destructive with online poker when use correctly. Like using it in a way of suggestive what move next, or tips. NOT to entirely play the game automated.  In fact, it will lead to more players and make it easier to understand the game for the newbies. It will give excitement that every gambler would wish for the same goes for the house. Because new players mean new money to engage with.
Well, it could be that in the future, there will be robots to gamble so we can only watch them, but somehow it would feel like we were used to gambling but at that time, we were just spectators. Many gamblers will not hand over their money to a robot and take the risk by asking the robot to bet.

But it could invite more players to try out the AI robot and it's true that it's a nice thing for the casinos as they have more opportunities to profit from losing gamblers. But the casino also won't let gamblers freely use AI robots because casinos will also use AI robots to restrain the performance of AI robots from players so they don't win easily.

Thebuse of AI just as already said earlier could have great impact on the gambling section entirely and this time ot only on poker games because it will make the gambling experience more easier to achieve when everything works under the control of the AI machines and all you do is just to set control measures for directing how you want to have the experience work out for you, so i want to believe the advantage is more than it disadvantages if we consider well the opportunity that lies in them both.
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May 30, 2023, 12:36:34 PM
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That's obviously right, casino owners won't just give up and let AIs take over the industry and ruin their businesses because if AIs master the art of gambling and winning more than humans, it will probably be a matter of concern for casinos and their owners, and as you said, they will definitely work on something to counter these issues.

If AI can be used to gamble and win, it can also be used to stop AI or at least increase the chances of the casino's wins, but we are still pretty far away from that era in my opinion, it will take decades for that to happen.

AI bots will obviously win a lot more than a regular person, but it seems to me that abusers have no sense in using such bots because their accounts will be quickly banned. For example, as far as I know, most popular poker rooms already have certain systems in their software that allow them to identify and ban those users who use bots or just run a prohibited program while gambling.

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May 30, 2023, 12:41:15 PM
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That's obviously right, casino owners won't just give up and let AIs take over the industry and ruin their businesses because if AIs master the art of gambling and winning more than humans, it will probably be a matter of concern for casinos and their owners, and as you said, they will definitely work on something to counter these issues.

If AI can be used to gamble and win, it can also be used to stop AI or at least increase the chances of the casino's wins, but we are still pretty far away from that era in my opinion, it will take decades for that to happen.

AI bots will obviously win a lot more than a regular person, but it seems to me that abusers have no sense in using such bots because their accounts will be quickly banned. For example, as far as I know, most popular poker rooms already have certain systems in their software that allow them to identify and ban those users who use bots or just run a prohibited program while gambling.

Such services have long been used even in cyber sports, in ordinary games not for money. This means that such a money industry as gambling has long perfected its similar services. And any third-party program that tries to get information from the official gambling platform program will be banned. I also know that gambling platforms are tracking user wins and if the mathematical curve changes a lot, it means that a person is cheating or using third-party software.
Of course, this will eventually be a ban for the user.

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May 30, 2023, 12:48:49 PM
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AI bots will obviously win a lot more than a regular person, but it seems to me that abusers have no sense in using such bots because their accounts will be quickly banned. For example, as far as I know, most popular poker rooms already have certain systems in their software that allow them to identify and ban those users who use bots or just run a prohibited program while gambling.
AI bots are not human opponents in poker games if they really work in online poker games, as far as I know AI technology is now very sophisticated in any field, even from time to time this human artificial intelligence can learn from player behavior so that in my opinion it makes AI is getting harder to beat they will learn from defeat so quickly that they can easily win games from their opposing players.

I think it's also possible that the current AI technology may not be fully used for casino games like online poker because surely casinos will easily detect it so that the game really has human involvement, not AI bots.

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May 30, 2023, 03:05:20 PM
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I don't think that is the best use of AI in online gambling, because if does, we just created a robot to gamble for us. And the actual gamblers become a mere spectators. if not abused, chatgpt won't be destructive with online poker when use correctly. Like using it in a way of suggestive what move next, or tips. NOT to entirely play the game automated.  In fact, it will lead to more players and make it easier to understand the game for the newbies. It will give excitement that every gambler would wish for the same goes for the house. Because new players mean new money to engage with.
Well, it could be that in the future, there will be robots to gamble so we can only watch them, but somehow it would feel like we were used to gambling but at that time, we were just spectators. Many gamblers will not hand over their money to a robot and take the risk by asking the robot to bet.

But it could invite more players to try out the AI robot and it's true that it's a nice thing for the casinos as they have more opportunities to profit from losing gamblers. But the casino also won't let gamblers freely use AI robots because casinos will also use AI robots to restrain the performance of AI robots from players so they don't win easily.

Thebuse of AI just as already said earlier could have great impact on the gambling section entirely and this time ot only on poker games because it will make the gambling experience more easier to achieve when everything works under the control of the AI machines and all you do is just to set control measures for directing how you want to have the experience work out for you, so i want to believe the advantage is more than it disadvantages if we consider well the opportunity that lies in them both.
I don't think we know about the advantages because casinos also won't let gamblers who use AI win easily. The casino might also implement AI to block those gamblers, so they often can't get their wins. But that will destroy the running of the gambling business because in addition to implementing AI, casinos may impose restrictions on their gamblers. We'll see if any gambler will be successful in using that AI or they will fail in implementing it. But we also don't know when the use of AI for online poker games will begin to be used.

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