Can Chat GTP destroy poker on-line gambling???

[Fivestar4everMVP]

~snip~

Large casinos could create a secret communication between themselves in which they share their experience on the use of AI in unfair play. Because they can't let the players abuse the AI, and this will lead to unfortunate consequences for poker rooms such as the departure of real users.

Also behind poker rooms are owners with large resources that will not allow AI to damage the poker room for a long time

It may also happen between the big casinos so they can get a sense of what's going on in the gambling world. And they can also be prepared for all the possibilities that can occur in each casino. Casinos will use various methods to ensure their business remains safe from the abuse of gamblers who want to win. And don't forget that the casino will also update the system to adjust to the current conditions. The casino may also revolutionize its business into something new to survive in the next condition.

I completely agree with your input bud, this is very much inline with my one of my previous comments on this thread, the idea of Ai destroying poker is a mere wishful thinking, anybody who believe its actually possible that Ai will destroy poker is just day dreaming.

Over the time, we all have seen that technology is evolving in every sector, and that includes casinos, As Ai(s) are developing, so also is the software(s) gambling casino are built upon developing as well, we can never get to stage where Ai bots becomes a threat to the existence of poker games or the casinos themselves.

[savetheFORUM]

It destroys the purpose of playing games and gambling out money on the online platforms. So what would we do? Just sit and watch AI do all the thinking and try to compete another AI? That’s all?

Why do we think that casinos will allow this and let us say this is actually implemented somehow with the back doors then what do you think will happen to the casinos. They would go bankrupt and shut themselves. Or may be they would love to get on the other side of casino and just run the AI to make money for themselves.

The entire idea is hoax. It will never work.

Casinos will never let that happen no matter what, if people can develop AI models to cheat the casinos and earn money through them, casinos can also hire developers, develop AI models to prevent AIs to enter the casino and be able to gamble, and I'm pretty sure that they can easily achieve that because if AI can give gamblers the opportunity to gamble with it, it can also give the casinos the opportunity to fight back against this system of cheating.

And I don't even understand why would people be interested in using AI models to gamble with when it will only take the fun away, even if you are gambling to win a lot of money, the fun is when you are watching that happening in front of your eyes and not by an AI you've put to work.

[Blitzboy]

It destroys the purpose of playing games and gambling out money on the online platforms. So what would we do? Just sit and watch AI do all the thinking and try to compete another AI? That’s all?

Why do we think that casinos will allow this and let us say this is actually implemented somehow with the back doors then what do you think will happen to the casinos. They would go bankrupt and shut themselves. Or may be they would love to get on the other side of casino and just run the AI to make money for themselves.

The entire idea is hoax. It will never work.

Casinos will never let that happen no matter what, if people can develop AI models to cheat the casinos and earn money through them, casinos can also hire developers, develop AI models to prevent AIs to enter the casino and be able to gamble, and I'm pretty sure that they can easily achieve that because if AI can give gamblers the opportunity to gamble with it, it can also give the casinos the opportunity to fight back against this system of cheating.

And I don't even understand why would people be interested in using AI models to gamble with when it will only take the fun away, even if you are gambling to win a lot of money, the fun is when you are watching that happening in front of your eyes and not by an AI you've put to work.

I'll tell you something icy. Gaming AI is a double-edged sword. However, my friend, the edge isn't uniformly distributed. Casinos won. Their home, their rules. They'll find AI faster than supercharged bloodhounds. Your AI model will fail soon. No party invite, right?

Why is gambling AI so hyped? Why watch a machine play your hand? Doesn't the game's excitement, like the dice roll or card turn, make our hearts beat faster? Enjoy the celebration. Don't eliminate players. No bots!

[Casdinyard]

It destroys the purpose of playing games and gambling out money on the online platforms. So what would we do? Just sit and watch AI do all the thinking and try to compete another AI? That’s all?

Why do we think that casinos will allow this and let us say this is actually implemented somehow with the back doors then what do you think will happen to the casinos. They would go bankrupt and shut themselves. Or may be they would love to get on the other side of casino and just run the AI to make money for themselves.

The entire idea is hoax. It will never work.

Casinos will never let that happen no matter what, if people can develop AI models to cheat the casinos and earn money through them, casinos can also hire developers, develop AI models to prevent AIs to enter the casino and be able to gamble, and I'm pretty sure that they can easily achieve that because if AI can give gamblers the opportunity to gamble with it, it can also give the casinos the opportunity to fight back against this system of cheating.

And I don't even understand why would people be interested in using AI models to gamble with when it will only take the fun away, even if you are gambling to win a lot of money, the fun is when you are watching that happening in front of your eyes and not by an AI you've put to work.

I'll tell you something icy. Gaming AI is a double-edged sword. However, my friend, the edge isn't uniformly distributed. Casinos won. Their home, their rules. They'll find AI faster than supercharged bloodhounds. Your AI model will fail soon. No party invite, right?

Why is gambling AI so hyped? Why watch a machine play your hand? Doesn't the game's excitement, like the dice roll or card turn, make our hearts beat faster? Enjoy the celebration. Don't eliminate players. No bots!

And that is considering that AI gambling is even usable, we all know it's ass just considering the fact that it takes a long while for them to learn from data fed to them, and with poker having octillions of possible combinations, not to mention human-based strategies like bluffing it would take octillions of years before AI even becomes a better competitor/predictor of events. Quantum Computers could do something about it but we all know that shit's not going to be commercialized just because it's too powerful to be given to people who could use it for bad things.

At the end of the day, just gamble without the notion of "I gotta win this shit" cause that's when you go stupid and make questionable decisions like relying on AI for odds and answers lol.

[maydna]

~snip~

I completely agree with your input bud, this is very much inline with my one of my previous comments on this thread, the idea of Ai destroying poker is a mere wishful thinking, anybody who believe its actually possible that Ai will destroy poker is just day dreaming.

Over the time, we all have seen that technology is evolving in every sector, and that includes casinos, As Ai(s) are developing, so also is the software(s) gambling casino are built upon developing as well, we can never get to stage where Ai bots becomes a threat to the existence of poker games or the casinos themselves.

The casino will not feel threatened by the presence of the AI bot because the casino must already have an antidote from the AI so that they might be able to detect the presence of AI in their casino, which is used by gamblers. And if gamblers manage to win using AI, they must face verification from the casino because the casino can easily find out their activities while playing gambling. And if the casino finds suspicious activity with their account, the casino can immediately block their account, and the gamblers' winnings will be in vain.

[AmoreJaz]

~snip~

Large casinos could create a secret communication between themselves in which they share their experience on the use of AI in unfair play. Because they can't let the players abuse the AI, and this will lead to unfortunate consequences for poker rooms such as the departure of real users.

Also behind poker rooms are owners with large resources that will not allow AI to damage the poker room for a long time

It may also happen between the big casinos so they can get a sense of what's going on in the gambling world. And they can also be prepared for all the possibilities that can occur in each casino. Casinos will use various methods to ensure their business remains safe from the abuse of gamblers who want to win. And don't forget that the casino will also update the system to adjust to the current conditions. The casino may also revolutionize its business into something new to survive in the next condition.

I completely agree with your input bud, this is very much inline with my one of my previous comments on this thread, the idea of Ai destroying poker is a mere wishful thinking, anybody who believe its actually possible that Ai will destroy poker is just day dreaming.

Over the time, we all have seen that technology is evolving in every sector, and that includes casinos, As Ai(s) are developing, so also is the software(s) gambling casino are built upon developing as well, we can never get to stage where Ai bots becomes a threat to the existence of poker games or the casinos themselves.

and if that happens, i don't think people would still want to play poker. we need to look at the possibility here. but right now, it is still very far from happening. but in case it does, we will see if AI can indeed penetrate the business of poker game. because for sure, if AI will penetrate this game, these casinos won't offer anymore this game. because they will be screwed and they don't want to be bankrupt because AI is taking over.

[wiss19]

I'll tell you something icy. Gaming AI is a double-edged sword. However, my friend, the edge isn't uniformly distributed. Casinos won. Their home, their rules. They'll find AI faster than supercharged bloodhounds. Your AI model will fail soon. No party invite, right?

Why is gambling AI so hyped? Why watch a machine play your hand? Doesn't the game's excitement, like the dice roll or card turn, make our hearts beat faster? Enjoy the celebration. Don't eliminate players. No bots!

But, only if people understand that I don't like this concept myself, I believe the essence of gambling will be lost if there are AI models everywhere managing the gambling accounts of people and playing for them instead of them gambling themselves, what's the fun even when you win something big but you are not even experiencing it yourself? Because the fun part of gambling is when you win something significant and you would want to see that happening for sure.

However, as you said, I'm pretty sure that casinos will find a way around it and they won't let AI ruin their businesses, they will build systems that will prevent AI models to participate in gambling and if AI can be able to gamble then it can definitely be able to identify if the gambler is a person or not.

[ethereumhunter]

I'll tell you something icy. Gaming AI is a double-edged sword. However, my friend, the edge isn't uniformly distributed. Casinos won. Their home, their rules. They'll find AI faster than supercharged bloodhounds. Your AI model will fail soon. No party invite, right?

Why is gambling AI so hyped? Why watch a machine play your hand? Doesn't the game's excitement, like the dice roll or card turn, make our hearts beat faster? Enjoy the celebration. Don't eliminate players. No bots!

But, only if people understand that I don't like this concept myself, I believe the essence of gambling will be lost if there are AI models everywhere managing the gambling accounts of people and playing for them instead of them gambling themselves, what's the fun even when you win something big but you are not even experiencing it yourself? Because the fun part of gambling is when you win something significant and you would want to see that happening for sure.

However, as you said, I'm pretty sure that casinos will find a way around it and they won't let AI ruin their businesses, they will build systems that will prevent AI models to participate in gambling and if AI can be able to gamble then it can definitely be able to identify if the gambler is a person or not.

Maybe those people are desperate to get victory through their hands so they decide to use AI to win from the casino. But they should know that it won't be easy because, after all, the casino must know its users who use AI and will ban their accounts if the use of AI in the casino is prohibited. The gambler will not be able to do anything and can only regret it without being able to recover his blocked account.

Casinos will not let a business they have built and earned a good reputation lose at the hands of gamblers using AI. And before gamblers using AI could win, the casinos already knew about it and it was only a matter of time to block them. Gamblers also have to be wise in using AI and not violate the rules of the casino. If there is already a ban on using AI, gamblers should not try using AI.

[Betwrong]

~

~
But where and to whom AI will give the money won, this is also the second important issue in such a process.  

This is very interesting and important question. Although it is impossible in my opinion, let's suppose such an AI is created. An AI that can beat everyone at the table right away, without learning their play style and stuff for many hours. Since it will be available to everyone, no one will have an advantage, right? So, there will be no one who's winning all the time while others are losing. Everyone will be equal. But, knowing poker players, I'm pretty sure they will find a way to start beating those who use AI. It will be just a matter of time. It can take couple of months but not more than that. That's why online poker will always be an interesting game. Nothing can destroy it, neither ChatGpt, nor a strategy invented by a genius.

[elevates]

This is very interesting and important question. Although it is impossible in my opinion, let's suppose such an AI is created. An AI that can beat everyone at the table right away, without learning their play style and stuff for many hours. Since it will be available to everyone, no one will have an advantage, right? So, there will be no one who's winning all the time while others are losing. Everyone will be equal. But, knowing poker players, I'm pretty sure they will find a way to start beating those who use AI. It will be just a matter of time. It can take couple of months but not more than that. That's why online poker will always be an interesting game. Nothing can destroy it, neither ChatGpt, nor a strategy invented by a genius.

An AI can only replicate with their algorithm to understand how a human would react and decide while playing Poker. AI cannot beat a human unless the human shows it, which we have been doing since its launch. Every day the question we ask with an AI chatbot is helping its algorithm to improve itself. I imagine how much it might have learned by now and if everything goes right there would be a time when AI would rule gambling. Most probably they would control the house and make profits for the human who owns the platform. 

[Fivestar4everMVP]

This is very interesting and important question. Although it is impossible in my opinion, let's suppose such an AI is created. An AI that can beat everyone at the table right away, without learning their play style and stuff for many hours. Since it will be available to everyone, no one will have an advantage, right? So, there will be no one who's winning all the time while others are losing. Everyone will be equal. But, knowing poker players, I'm pretty sure they will find a way to start beating those who use AI. It will be just a matter of time. It can take couple of months but not more than that. That's why online poker will always be an interesting game. Nothing can destroy it, neither ChatGpt, nor a strategy invented by a genius.

An AI can only replicate with their algorithm to understand how a human would react and decide while playing Poker. AI cannot beat a human unless the human shows it, which we have been doing since its launch. Every day the question we ask with an AI chatbot is helping its algorithm to improve itself. I imagine how much it might have learned by now and if everything goes right there would be a time when AI would rule gambling. Most probably they would control the house and make profits for the human who owns the platform. 

I agree with your most of your point but completely disagree with your last point, yeah, humans have been teaching Ai bots a lot of things, and all this Ai bots store those data being asked by human, and from there, they are improved, figure out that i said "they are improved".

Who improves those Ai bot from that same data they store? it is a human, Ai bots technically can not improve themselves without an action from a human, and for as long as they were developed by a human, and also managed by a human, and the gambling games we are talking about is also developed and maintained by humans, it will always be the game of whos got the best skill, whos got the best skill will always come out as the winner, whether it be the Ai bot developer and maintainer, or the gambling game developers/casinos/game providers.

[elevates]

Who improves those Ai bot from that same data they store? it is a human, Ai bots technically can not improve themselves without an action from a human, and for as long as they were developed by a human, and also managed by a human, and the gambling games we are talking about is also developed and maintained by humans, it will always be the game of whos got the best skill, whos got the best skill will always come out as the winner, whether it be the Ai bot developer and maintainer, or the gambling game developers/casinos/game providers.

The control is held by a human on upgrading and developing an AI . That doesn't mean an AI cannot upgrade by itself. They as in those who are programming the AI know it will self evolve itself. The world of AI in 2023 has already made many jobs irrelevant. In just a few years you would see them being part of many things. That means they would be used to for multiple things depending on the necessity. You need to only wait and watch. The future is disturbing for those who are gambles and those who plan to start a online casino platform.

[mak013]

I agree with your most of your point but completely disagree with your last point, yeah, humans have been teaching Ai bots a lot of things, and all this Ai bots store those data being asked by human, and from there, they are improved, figure out that i said "they are improved".

Who improves those Ai bot from that same data they store? it is a human, Ai bots technically can not improve themselves without an action from a human, and for as long as they were developed by a human, and also managed by a human, and the gambling games we are talking about is also developed and maintained by humans, it will always be the game of whos got the best skill, whos got the best skill will always come out as the winner, whether it be the Ai bot developer and maintainer, or the gambling game developers/casinos/game providers.

The only thing that AI need to know is the bluff. Until the AI can`t bluff suddenly - the human can win, after it - the chances 50/50. Probably the AI chances higher. The AI in poker is about the chess computer - he know how to play in any position and any hand and never forget something. The only chance(except luck of course) to win AI - is bluff.

[danadc]

I agree with your most of your point but completely disagree with your last point, yeah, humans have been teaching Ai bots a lot of things, and all this Ai bots store those data being asked by human, and from there, they are improved, figure out that i said "they are improved".

Who improves those Ai bot from that same data they store? it is a human, Ai bots technically can not improve themselves without an action from a human, and for as long as they were developed by a human, and also managed by a human, and the gambling games we are talking about is also developed and maintained by humans, it will always be the game of whos got the best skill, whos got the best skill will always come out as the winner, whether it be the Ai bot developer and maintainer, or the gambling game developers/casinos/game providers.

The only thing that AI need to know is the bluff. Until the AI can`t bluff suddenly - the human can win, after it - the chances 50/50. Probably the AI chances higher. The AI in poker is about the chess computer - he know how to play in any position and any hand and never forget something. The only chance(except luck of course) to win AI - is bluff.

According to many players who are experts and who have expressed their opinion here, they say that AI is not a reason for us to despair, that even human intelligence is far above what an I can do in a casino, in chess and poker games, for that reason we as players should not stop learning, because AI can handle all the theory, but it is still beginning, there are still things to see and what is most striking of all is that the players are being very impressed almost for nothing, there is no AI that has beaten casinos, casinos are not stupid, they will detect the use of AI and ban them.

[Polkeins]

Who improves those Ai bot from that same data they store? it is a human, Ai bots technically can not improve themselves without an action from a human, and for as long as they were developed by a human, and also managed by a human, and the gambling games we are talking about is also developed and maintained by humans, it will always be the game of whos got the best skill, whos got the best skill will always come out as the winner, whether it be the Ai bot developer and maintainer, or the gambling game developers/casinos/game providers.

The control is held by a human on upgrading and developing an AI . That doesn't mean an AI cannot upgrade by itself. They as in those who are programming the AI know it will self evolve itself. The world of AI in 2023 has already made many jobs irrelevant. In just a few years you would see them being part of many things. That means they would be used to for multiple things depending on the necessity. You need to only wait and watch. The future is disturbing for those who are gambles and those who plan to start a online casino platform.

Casinos and before did not like those who count and remember cards, and now there is an AI that not only does not forget anything, but also can apparently analyze, so far at the level that he was taught on the basis of past data, but really where is the guarantee that the AI will not soon be able to analyze the data itself and draw conclusions.

It should be noted that casinos, online platforms can use AI in their work and also with its help to analyze data to more accurately set the odds, to monitor the number of wins and losses, to maintain a positive balance, so here AI is a great friend of the casino.

The world is changing and those who do not want to implement AI in their work will probably soon lose it.

[tusandii]

-snip-

The control is held by a human on upgrading and developing an AI . That doesn't mean an AI cannot upgrade by itself. They as in those who are programming the AI know it will self evolve itself. The world of AI in 2023 has already made many jobs irrelevant. In just a few years you would see them being part of many things. That means they would be used to for multiple things depending on the necessity. You need to only wait and watch. The future is disturbing for those who are gambles and those who plan to start a online casino platform.

Obviously, because AI or bots are human-made intelligence, any program for development or improvement still has to be handled by humans.
Maybe in the future there will be AI or bots that are even better designed so that they can program directly without human intervention, this is just an assumption so it might happen, maybe it won't.

For online gambling, it seems that later when AI is growing, casinos will also create their own version of artificial intelligence with the aim of being able to suppress the use of AI by gamblers to beat casino games.

[mak013]

I agree with your most of your point but completely disagree with your last point, yeah, humans have been teaching Ai bots a lot of things, and all this Ai bots store those data being asked by human, and from there, they are improved, figure out that i said "they are improved".

Who improves those Ai bot from that same data they store? it is a human, Ai bots technically can not improve themselves without an action from a human, and for as long as they were developed by a human, and also managed by a human, and the gambling games we are talking about is also developed and maintained by humans, it will always be the game of whos got the best skill, whos got the best skill will always come out as the winner, whether it be the Ai bot developer and maintainer, or the gambling game developers/casinos/game providers.

The only thing that AI need to know is the bluff. Until the AI can`t bluff suddenly - the human can win, after it - the chances 50/50. Probably the AI chances higher. The AI in poker is about the chess computer - he know how to play in any position and any hand and never forget something. The only chance(except luck of course) to win AI - is bluff.

According to many players who are experts and who have expressed their opinion here, they say that AI is not a reason for us to despair, that even human intelligence is far above what an I can do in a casino, in chess and poker games, for that reason we as players should not stop learning, because AI can handle all the theory, but it is still beginning, there are still things to see and what is most striking of all is that the players are being very impressed almost for nothing, there is no AI that has beaten casinos, casinos are not stupid, they will detect the use of AI and ban them.

We can believe that the player is more clever than AI but not often the common human can win chess computer. The same situation will be in the poker. Top players can change their style of gaming very fast, they count cards, etc. But the common gambler will lose the AI. If the gambler will use AI, the casino will do the same.

[abel1337]

I agree with your most of your point but completely disagree with your last point, yeah, humans have been teaching Ai bots a lot of things, and all this Ai bots store those data being asked by human, and from there, they are improved, figure out that i said "they are improved".

Who improves those Ai bot from that same data they store? it is a human, Ai bots technically can not improve themselves without an action from a human, and for as long as they were developed by a human, and also managed by a human, and the gambling games we are talking about is also developed and maintained by humans, it will always be the game of whos got the best skill, whos got the best skill will always come out as the winner, whether it be the Ai bot developer and maintainer, or the gambling game developers/casinos/game providers.

The only thing that AI need to know is the bluff. Until the AI can`t bluff suddenly - the human can win, after it - the chances 50/50. Probably the AI chances higher. The AI in poker is about the chess computer - he know how to play in any position and any hand and never forget something. The only chance(except luck of course) to win AI - is bluff.

According to many players who are experts and who have expressed their opinion here, they say that AI is not a reason for us to despair, that even human intelligence is far above what an I can do in a casino, in chess and poker games, for that reason we as players should not stop learning, because AI can handle all the theory, but it is still beginning, there are still things to see and what is most striking of all is that the players are being very impressed almost for nothing, there is no AI that has beaten casinos, casinos are not stupid, they will detect the use of AI and ban them.

We can believe that the player is more clever than AI but not often the common human can win chess computer. The same situation will be in the poker. Top players can change their style of gaming very fast, they count cards, etc. But the common gambler will lose the AI. If the gambler will use AI, the casino will do the same.

Professional, top and world class player are on a different league since they master their skills for years. Imagine how rapid AI can grow in todays standard, one day there's a chance that they can catch up to those who are master of poker. There are so called self-learning AI and I'm imagining that if it is trained by a professional player, it can beat majority of it's opponent on poker, luck aside. 

[LUCKMCFLY]

A battle of AI system, knowing that business is a business and the casino owners always have that upper edge since they've got the capital to invest in protecting their business, though we can't conclude how far AI may developed and what the system can offer to every players and casino owners, and like what you mentioned,

time may come that it might be a battle in between AIs from the house and the other players who manage to learn more onsetting their system and create the adjustments that they think will give them some good edge when they are playing the game.

Yes, indeed, that is a scenario where things can get very complicated. Can you really stress which system will be stronger? That of the casinos or that of those who wanted to beat the system? I believe that the AI devs are going to have a lot of work because it will not be easy, when it comes to money it can be said that they do not rest, because it is money, there are many who are waiting for it to develop much more and who can be successful , but this includes the associated cheating that occurs in casinos by players, personally I will never agree that a robot beats a casino, there is nothing more rewarding than one as a player being able to beat the casino on their own effort.

A casino currently has to be investing in security in a big way, hiring AI experts so that they can protect their casinos, their games, especially the games from the providers will be improved, with more updates, worthy so that they cannot be violated with any system that has to do with robots, AI, among others, I consider that AI systems are excellent for protection, and if they protect they must have very advanced detection systems, but as I said, for now the robots of AI and AI in general is not that advanced.

The AI robots of now are quite good, because everything depends on their type of training, and this means that anything can happen, they learn so quickly that 15 hours can have a great level of progress, so they cannot be Neglected.

[Bushdark]

-snip-

The control is held by a human on upgrading and developing an AI . That doesn't mean an AI cannot upgrade by itself. They as in those who are programming the AI know it will self evolve itself. The world of AI in 2023 has already made many jobs irrelevant. In just a few years you would see them being part of many things. That means they would be used to for multiple things depending on the necessity. You need to only wait and watch. The future is disturbing for those who are gambles and those who plan to start a online casino platform.

Obviously, because AI or bots are human-made intelligence, any program for development or improvement still has to be handled by humans.
Maybe in the future there will be AI or bots that are even better designed so that they can program directly without human intervention, this is just an assumption so it might happen, maybe it won't.

For online gambling, it seems that later when AI is growing, casinos will also create their own version of artificial intelligence with the aim of being able to suppress the use of AI by gamblers to beat casino games.

Artificial intelligence is becoming very popular and people are building AI now that is capable of doing a lots of things. I will not be surprised if programmers are able to build AI that is capable of manipulating games and making it's users to win on bets. The advancement of IA is still continuing and very soon we are going to see more to this but the use is going to be more of evil because scammers now will be able to use AI tools to manipulate casinos and play bets that will put bugs in the system where they will able to cash out in different bets.