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May 09, 2024, 12:47:03 PM
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This is positive thinking and the percentage for success from gambling addiction or gambling debt will definitely be quite large

I am sure there are many people who are actually trapped, they fail to get out of their gambling addiction tendencies and are even unable to get out of their gambling debt tendencies, this is something what is worrying, they seem to lack guidance and motivation to get out of it all, support from the closest family is very important for those who are in the addiction phase

Yes, but it's a good reminder that even if you don't have anyone to help you, you can still be able to help yourself.

Just one day at a time.

Just for one day, just today, do the right thing.

That's it, it's just today, don't worry about tomorrow. Most people should be able to take care of one day. Just do the same thing again tomorrow.

Exactly, if you can do that then you just need to imitate what you just did a day before then continue to keep that mindset to keep you away from gambling, though it's going to depends from how a person take it seriously, as we know that when a person already addicted and have that money to gamble, it will be tough for him to stop himself from keeping away, adrenaline and that toxic inside the brain that will push him to play back and keep losing his money.

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May 10, 2024, 07:32:41 AM
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~ Celebrate each such day like a victory, because indeed it's a victory over your weakness. Be strong.
This is positive thinking and the percentage for success from gambling addiction or gambling debt will definitely be quite large

I am sure there are many people who are actually trapped, they fail to get out of their gambling addiction tendencies and are even unable to get out of their gambling debt tendencies, this is something what is worrying, they seem to lack guidance and motivation to get out of it all, support from the closest family is very important for those who are in the addiction phase

Right, in my opinion they lack guidance in the first place. It shouldn't necessarily be a grand guru or high-paid shrink, it can be anyone, your auntie, your girlfriend, your lecturer at uni, or just someone you accidentally met on an internet forum, it doesn't really matter who are them, what matters is their ability to tell you something that will make you motivated to stay away from gambling addiction and from any harmful addiction, because you don't want to be a slave of your addiction.

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May 12, 2024, 06:34:37 PM
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Addiction is a very difficult thing to comprehend for those that have never experimented, as the addicted takes actions that go against their own interests, but their mind is so warped and their priorities so out of place they cannot understand their lives without gambling anymore, which makes them to sacrifice everything for it, a huge mistake as one day they will realize what they have done, and they may try to get their life back on track and they may find themselves alone without anyone willing to help them out.
It's get way worse of actually the addicted person decides to keep a secret because that only feeds the addiction to a level that is way above treatment and when reaching that stage, selling and loaning off self property can be the main results because he or she will be deeply associated that whatever means it takes to make money the person would try it and do it.
Once an addiction has reached that level it is very difficult for them to keep the secret, as even if they try, people will begin to notice they are always short on money and they seem be losing the assets they had, so even if at that point their family and friends still not suspect there is a gambling addiction going on, at least they will know you are going through some hard times, and they will begin to ask questions about what is happening to you that is causing those monetary losses.
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May 12, 2024, 07:56:45 PM
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Addiction is a very difficult thing to comprehend for those that have never experimented, as the addicted takes actions that go against their own interests, but their mind is so warped and their priorities so out of place they cannot understand their lives without gambling anymore, which makes them to sacrifice everything for it, a huge mistake as one day they will realize what they have done, and they may try to get their life back on track and they may find themselves alone without anyone willing to help them out.
It's get way worse of actually the addicted person decides to keep a secret because that only feeds the addiction to a level that is way above treatment and when reaching that stage, selling and loaning off self property can be the main results because he or she will be deeply associated that whatever means it takes to make money the person would try it and do it.
Once an addiction has reached that level it is very difficult for them to keep the secret, as even if they try, people will begin to notice they are always short on money and they seem be losing the assets they had, so even if at that point their family and friends still not suspect there is a gambling addiction going on, at least they will know you are going through some hard times, and they will begin to ask questions about what is happening to you that is causing those monetary losses.

Exactly, simply put the name of the ugliness over time will definitely smell too, or the point is that over time there will be some people who really feel suspicious of what is really happening to you, back again that I think we all already know how bad the impact can be caused when someone has entered the stage of addiction which is certainly they will experience problems in finance, usually the closest people know when we get our paychecks from work and when you can't pay some bills like electricity or water then surely your closest people including your family or wife will ask you about where your salary money is, makes sense right? of course and this is where it usually all comes out and over time they will pressure you to admit where the money went and there is no other way but for you to admit it. I think this is a scenario that is bound to happen over time when you become an addict and live close to family, because I also have one friend who experienced this scenario.

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May 15, 2024, 12:36:43 PM
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A Shanghai man was sentenced to prison for kidnapping his own granddaughter so he could maintain his gambling addiction with the ransom money.

The kidnapping — orchestrated by a 65-year-old man identified only by his surname, Yuan — was first reported by the Shanghai Law and Rule Journal. The legal news outlet didn't specify when the incident occurred but wrote on April 18 that Yuan had just started serving his prison sentence.

Yuan kicked off his plan by picking up his four-year-old granddaughter from her kindergarten and taking her out to eat and shop without her mother's knowledge, the Journal reported.

[1] https://www.insider.com/shanghai-man-kidnapped-his-own-granddaughter-for-72000-report-2023-4
[2] https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/grandpa-in-china-kidnaps-own-granddaughter-demands-ransom-so-he-can-continue-gambling

many gambling addicts have lost their minds because their desire to continue gambling overpowers their common sense, hence the importance of "gambling responsibly"

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There are three licensing objectives which support the whole basis of gambling regulation:

- that crime should be kept out of gambling
- it should be conducted in a fair and open way
- children and other vulnerable persons should be protected from harm or exploitation from gambling.

[1] https://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/licensees-and-businesses/guide/social-responsibility

IMO this man's case Is different and I won't blame any addiction for such low thinking, how would he kidnap his own granddaughter to get ransome to gamble that's the most absurd ive heard of.

Addiction can most times push people to the lowest of character and often make them do the most insane things especially when they let the addiction do the thinking for them. I usually thought drug addiction was the worst but now I know all addiction are the same.

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May 15, 2024, 02:56:41 PM
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Addiction can most times push people to the lowest of character and often make them do the most insane things especially when they let the addiction do the thinking for them. I usually thought drug addiction was the worst but now I know all addiction are the same.
Addiction is something that can be said to be a bad habit or an act that is done excessively. All addictions are the same, whether it's drug addiction or gambling addiction, they both harm ourselves and even the people around us. That's why every gambler should not gamble excessively and Doing this must be within well-controlled limits. I have never had a story about drug addiction, but if I am addicted to gambling, I happen to have many friends who are gamblers who are addicted to gambling.

Many of my gambling friends are almost crazy because they are addicted to gambling, that's why they are difficult to stop, that's why I always remind them on this forum, even other friends, to avoid excessive gambling, you have to have proper control so you don't get addicted to gambling, because gambling addiction is a disease. Gamblers are difficult to cure, so as much as possible avoid playing recklessly because gambling must be done responsibly and most importantly, don't overdo it because that will never be a good thing for all gamblers, both beginners and professionals. The point is, never become addicted to drugs or gambling.

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May 16, 2024, 11:22:27 AM
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Exactly, if you can do that then you just need to imitate what you just did a day before then continue to keep that mindset to keep you away from gambling, though it's going to depends from how a person take it seriously, as we know that when a person already addicted and have that money to gamble, it will be tough for him to stop himself from keeping away, adrenaline and that toxic inside the brain that will push him to play back and keep losing his money.

That is the key. Most people don't really understand how gambling actually works, but they are happy to put money in the game.

The thing is that in the real world those people will end up losing money. They of course would want to earn money, but that's not what's going to happen.

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May 16, 2024, 11:37:58 AM
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Addiction is something that can be said to be a bad habit or an act that is done excessively. All addictions are the same, whether it's drug addiction or gambling addiction, they both harm ourselves and even the people around us. That's why every gambler should not gamble excessively and Doing this must be within well-controlled limits. I have never had a story about drug addiction, but if I am addicted to gambling, I happen to have many friends who are gamblers who are addicted to gambling.

The fact that you have many such friends makes you a knowledgeable person in this field. I, for instance, had known only two such persons. Their life was like hell back then. One of them literally couldn't think of anything but gambling. Even while watching a movie in a movie theatre he was thinking of various card combinations(he was a poker player at the time). At some point, he realized how miserable his life was and sought help from a professional psychiatrist who helped him to get rid of his addiction. Now, he's living a happy life with his two daughters and beautiful wife. Another guy was addicted to roulette but didn't seek professional help, and his situation ended quite badly.

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May 16, 2024, 12:03:27 PM
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Once you become addicted to gambling it is very difficult to get out of it. Gambling addicts are so crazy that anything good they think is bad they will only run towards gambling. When gambling can't keep itself away from the urge it is considered a mental disorder. At this stage even if a person loses everything for gambling he cannot give up gambling addiction. And when this addiction reaches extremes it wreaks havoc in people's lives.
Addiction is a very difficult thing to comprehend for those that have never experimented, as the addicted takes actions that go against their own interests, but their mind is so warped and their priorities so out of place they cannot understand their lives without gambling anymore, which makes them to sacrifice everything for it, a huge mistake as one day they will realize what they have done, and they may try to get their life back on track and they may find themselves alone without anyone willing to help them out.
It's get way worse of actually the addicted person decides to keep a secret because that only feeds the addiction to a level that is way above treatment and when reaching that stage, selling and loaning off self property can be the main results because he or she will be deeply associated that whatever means it takes to make money the person would try it and do it.
sometimes the reason these addicts do keep this secret is because they don't want to be criticized by others because of there habit so they prefer to keeping it a secrete than speaking out even when they know its doing more harm than good to them in most cases but then since they just don't want to be seen in a different perspective in which they literary don't want to be seen they will prefer to continue and suffer the consequence that comes with it. when ever we get to met such persons its always good we are of help to them than criticize them so we help them not get to the point they are not able to seek or even accept help.

Gambler aren't bad people or tribble people rather their habits seem to be giving us a wrong perception about them which in some cases aren't the true identity of these people, sometimes if only we give them the support they need seeking help when needed becomes easy .

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May 16, 2024, 03:00:05 PM
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Addiction is something that can be said to be a bad habit or an act that is done excessively. All addictions are the same, whether it's drug addiction or gambling addiction, they both harm ourselves and even the people around us. That's why every gambler should not gamble excessively and Doing this must be within well-controlled limits. I have never had a story about drug addiction, but if I am addicted to gambling, I happen to have many friends who are gamblers who are addicted to gambling.

Many of my gambling friends are almost crazy because they are addicted to gambling, that's why they are difficult to stop, that's why I always remind them on this forum, even other friends, to avoid excessive gambling, you have to have proper control so you don't get addicted to gambling, because gambling addiction is a disease. Gamblers are difficult to cure, so as much as possible avoid playing recklessly because gambling must be done responsibly and most importantly, don't overdo it because that will never be a good thing for all gamblers, both beginners and professionals. The point is, never become addicted to drugs or gambling.

What you say is true, gambling addiction or drug addiction can harm us ourselves and can even harm those closest to us or others. because indeed the bad impact of addiction to these two things can be very dangerous, with those who become addicted to gambling of course they are people who gamble excessively so they have high hopes for gambling which will give them a win, with those who have high hopes for gambling of course it will only make them go deeper into gambling. This is certainly not profitable but will actually cause them to experience big losses. I myself have a circle of people who are familiar with gambling, in fact many of them are young people, but there are also some of them who are married but are still addicted to gambling, but I don't want it to be like that.

That's true friend, I myself really like gambling but I can still control myself. but there are some of my friends who are so addicted to gambling that even my other friends can't stop him when he gambles excessively. It's true that he himself is the one who loses, but it would be a shame if the money he had was spent gambling just like that without anything being felt. If it's just the sensation of gambling, I think I can see videos of other people gambling, even with high betting amounts. I agree with you completely, people who are addicted to gambling are very difficult to cure, unless they realize it themselves.

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these days I read a very sad article and when I saw this thread I immediately went looking for the article and managed to find it, it's a sad story that talks about a guy who, because of his addiction, destroyed his life and that of his family, in this article we can see the dangers of addiction, when people are unable to go to the doctor early when they notice the first signs of addiction it becomes a very serious problem, this can be seen in this guy's story:


Dustin Ritzenhein was all in when it came to gambling on his smartphone, especially slot games.

According to Ritzenhein, The quicker, the better for me, and it was really easy to win on slots.

Ritzenhein said he got on the gambling roller coaster when he was just nine years old after winning $100 on a one-dollar scratch-off. He said he continued to scratch the gambling itch, and when he turned 18, he gambled away thousands of dollars in high school graduation money at Soaring Eagle Casino. Traveling to gamble was one thing, but for Ritzenhein, phone wagering was a game changer and quickly became a 24/7 obsession.

Ritzenhein recalls, As I’m brushing my teeth, getting ready for work, I’m gambling; I’m driving to work, I’m gambling at work. I’m gambling. I’m falling asleep playing, but still gambling; it became that bad.

The losses began to mount. Ritzenhein said he gambled away the profits from a house he and his wife sold. Then, he lost his entire retirement savings. Ritzenhein said,Now I’m at the point where I’m keeping everybody in the dark; I’m lying to everybody and my family.

To try and win his way back into financial stability, Ritzenhein said he applied for five different credit cards, and all were approved.

He maxed out every single one of those credit cards and said that was the point he hit “rock bottom,” and he was now desperate to find a way out.

Ritzenhein recalls,I never in my life had a thought of suicide until I was that deep into it. That’s when Ritzenhein turned to his phone once again, not to gamble, but to call the Michigan Problem Gambling Help Line.



source: https://www.wilx.com/2024/03/21/youre-not-alone-madness-being-addicted-gambling/

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When we play we always need to remember the importance of playing responsibly, we must always educate ourselves not to play every day, we must always test ourselves by saying to ourselves: tomorrow I won't play and when tomorrow comes I can keep that promise, we always need to have It's a time to rest the games, spend some time, for example, 1 month without playing to maintain self-control, when a person cannot stay for some time without playing, then that person is already dependent on the game and they need to seek medical help urgently before it's too late, in the case of this story in this article, this guy had the courage and sought medical help, but most people don't have the same courage to seek medical help

it's quite a sad story about how a person whose life was initially good turned out to be ruined because of his addiction to gambling. luckily he called gambling addiction help, otherwise he might have killed himself. but it is very true as you said that it is necessary for a gambler to control themselves when they play. don't let gambling control them, but they are the ones who control themselves when to gamble and when to restrain themselves. because when gambling controls us, the result is like the story, where lives are destroyed and other people are affected too.
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May 17, 2024, 08:36:09 PM
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Once you become addicted to gambling it is very difficult to get out of it. Gambling addicts are so crazy that anything good they think is bad they will only run towards gambling. When gambling can't keep itself away from the urge it is considered a mental disorder. At this stage even if a person loses everything for gambling he cannot give up gambling addiction. And when this addiction reaches extremes it wreaks havoc in people's lives.
Addiction is a very difficult thing to comprehend for those that have never experimented, as the addicted takes actions that go against their own interests, but their mind is so warped and their priorities so out of place they cannot understand their lives without gambling anymore, which makes them to sacrifice everything for it, a huge mistake as one day they will realize what they have done, and they may try to get their life back on track and they may find themselves alone without anyone willing to help them out.

yes, you are right
when someone is addicted it's not as simple as thinking "oh just stop it"
sometimes the person really wants to stop a habit but depending on the level it is on their body and minds they simply can't
it's stronger than them
it must be fight slowly or all at once...

human behavior is something crazy sometimes.

Inevitable truth it speak volume in my heart as an eye witness of someone who was fully addicted gambling and drug he try all means to forcefully stop but couldn't do it, but need step down the process gradually for instance one who stay all through in gambling game one full day can only start to step down by spending few hours same to drug addict can limit the taken until you override the emotion.

if somebody try all means to stop them I think they'll find a way and stop it
but usually addicted lack the power of will to be able to seek help and go out of the addiction
it's definitely not an easy situation to be in...

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When we play we always need to remember the importance of playing responsibly, we must always educate ourselves not to play every day, we must always test ourselves by saying to ourselves: tomorrow I won't play and when tomorrow comes I can keep that promise, we always need to have It's a time to rest the games, spend some time, for example, 1 month without playing to maintain self-control, when a person cannot stay for some time without playing, then that person is already dependent on the game and they need to seek medical help urgently before it's too late, in the case of this story in this article, this guy had the courage and sought medical help, but most people don't have the same courage to seek medical help

it's quite a sad story about how a person whose life was initially good turned out to be ruined because of his addiction to gambling. luckily he called gambling addiction help, otherwise he might have killed himself. but it is very true as you said that it is necessary for a gambler to control themselves when they play. don't let gambling control them, but they are the ones who control themselves when to gamble and when to restrain themselves. because when gambling controls us, the result is like the story, where lives are destroyed and other people are affected too.
Gambling could ruin up your life if you wont really be that responsible or mindful in regarding into the things that you are getting involved with. If you are someone whose really that having that impulsive approach towards gambling and spending out like a mad man then expect that sooner or later you would really be sleeping on the streets on which this is something that you should really be that tending to control and moderate yourself on dealing up with these conditions. It would really be best that  you should really be that having that moderation and accepting that gambling is really just that for the sake of fun and not for making income or making money because with this kind of mindset you would really be ending up on having that miserable life when shit things happen forwards.

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When we play we always need to remember the importance of playing responsibly, we must always educate ourselves not to play every day, we must always test ourselves by saying to ourselves: tomorrow I won't play and when tomorrow comes I can keep that promise, we always need to have It's a time to rest the games, spend some time, for example, 1 month without playing to maintain self-control, when a person cannot stay for some time without playing, then that person is already dependent on the game and they need to seek medical help urgently before it's too late, in the case of this story in this article, this guy had the courage and sought medical help, but most people don't have the same courage to seek medical help

it's quite a sad story about how a person whose life was initially good turned out to be ruined because of his addiction to gambling. luckily he called gambling addiction help, otherwise he might have killed himself. but it is very true as you said that it is necessary for a gambler to control themselves when they play. don't let gambling control them, but they are the ones who control themselves when to gamble and when to restrain themselves. because when gambling controls us, the result is like the story, where lives are destroyed and other people are affected too.

That's right, in essence it is we who are gamblers who have to control our gambling activities and not us who are controlled by gambling because in the end it is clear that you have also said the right thing which is that gambling can destroy all aspects of our lives, such as destroying our financial situation, social relationships with other people and also family relationships, where it is not uncommon to see husbands and wives who end up divorcing due to experiencing various problems in their family relationships, such as being in debt or other financial problems.

Therefore, this is why there are so many people who always advise gamblers to exercise a lot of caution and also treat gambling appropriately or in moderation, none other than for our own good so that we avoid various bad possibilities such as addiction or losing money. significant money.

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It's very annoying to see how gambling addict behave this days, some are really going mad on a serious note, while some falls sick like high BP, which will make them to keep spending and some people because of the debt they are owing because of gambling has made some turn into thieves and kidnappers and the worst part is that most of them are our young ones and we can help them by praying for them and also offer support for them in a way we can.
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Gambling could ruin up your life if you wont really be that responsible or mindful in regarding into the things that you are getting involved with. If you are someone whose really that having that impulsive approach towards gambling and spending out like a mad man then expect that sooner or later you would really be sleeping on the streets on which this is something that you should really be that tending to control and moderate yourself on dealing up with these conditions.

True, without a proper control on both emotions and how you manage your finances, you'll soon find yourself losing everything, there's nothing you can do if you allow gambling to dominate inside you, there's a big influence inside you to keep wanting to play and you'll do everything to please that and will keep pushing you to do things that is not usual.

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It would really be best that  you should really be that having that moderation and accepting that gambling is really just that for the sake of fun and not for making income or making money because with this kind of mindset you would really be ending up on having that miserable life when shit things happen forwards.

Yup, if you can control it then you'll be safe and you'll no going to suffer from this kind of madness, just treat it as way of entertainment and not to exceed, you'll saving your butt if you manage to practice that.

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May 17, 2024, 10:26:20 PM
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It's get way worse of actually the addicted person decides to keep a secret because that only feeds the addiction to a level that is way above treatment and when reaching that stage, selling and loaning off self property can be the main results because he or she will be deeply associated that whatever means it takes to make money the person would try it and do it.
Sometimes when I see gamblers who have lost their way up to this extent, it makes me wonder if this is just addiction or if there is something behind it, because the way they take it, as if their life depends on it, is just something else, just like this drug addict, when ever they don't see something to take, it is as if their world wants to turn upside down. 

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A Shanghai man was sentenced to prison for kidnapping his own granddaughter so he could maintain his gambling addiction with the ransom money.

The kidnapping — orchestrated by a 65-year-old man identified only by his surname, Yuan — was first reported by the Shanghai Law and Rule Journal. The legal news outlet didn't specify when the incident occurred but wrote on April 18 that Yuan had just started serving his prison sentence.

Yuan kicked off his plan by picking up his four-year-old granddaughter from her kindergarten and taking her out to eat and shop without her mother's knowledge, the Journal reported.

[1] https://www.insider.com/shanghai-man-kidnapped-his-own-granddaughter-for-72000-report-2023-4
[2] https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/grandpa-in-china-kidnaps-own-granddaughter-demands-ransom-so-he-can-continue-gambling

many gambling addicts have lost their minds because their desire to continue gambling overpowers their common sense, hence the importance of "gambling responsibly"

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There are three licensing objectives which support the whole basis of gambling regulation:

- that crime should be kept out of gambling
- it should be conducted in a fair and open way
- children and other vulnerable persons should be protected from harm or exploitation from gambling.

[1] https://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/licensees-and-businesses/guide/social-responsibility
Gambling addict has abused the importance of gambling reponsibly.The madness of gambling addict in my vicinity makes me laugh most time because I keep wondering how most gamble addicts take whatever it maybe to quench their urge without considering how negative the outcome might look like.LIke what just happened last week in my area,a man took all the profits of his wife to gamble and unfortunately he lost and when she knew what he did she left because that wasn't the first he has been taking her profits to gamble,that just total madness.
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When we play we always need to remember the importance of playing responsibly, we must always educate ourselves not to play every day, we must always test ourselves by saying to ourselves: tomorrow I won't play and when tomorrow comes I can keep that promise, we always need to have It's a time to rest the games, spend some time, for example, 1 month without playing to maintain self-control, when a person cannot stay for some time without playing, then that person is already dependent on the game and they need to seek medical help urgently before it's too late, in the case of this story in this article, this guy had the courage and sought medical help, but most people don't have the same courage to seek medical help

it's quite a sad story about how a person whose life was initially good turned out to be ruined because of his addiction to gambling. luckily he called gambling addiction help, otherwise he might have killed himself. but it is very true as you said that it is necessary for a gambler to control themselves when they play. don't let gambling control them, but they are the ones who control themselves when to gamble and when to restrain themselves. because when gambling controls us, the result is like the story, where lives are destroyed and other people are affected too.
This is what you have to pay for being insensitive to what you don't know but did it all the same. These days, my eyes have opened wider enough to know that "it is not all what is glitter is gold," and even if I must try anything, I must first learn it and know all the rudiments about to ascertain whether it is what I can do or not. Even if it is what I can do, I must have drawn my managerial plans to make sure that the negative effect that can ever come from it is minimised. But if this is not possible, I better quit it as nothing is by force.

However, this is not to blame people entirely but a cautious call next time, we should always know the pros and cons of what we want to invest our money into to avoid some nightmares even with our money, especially if they are risky on their own like trading and gambling and other risky activities that can earn so hugely for us or cause us to lose pretty fast. Most importantly, if such is not what we can control our psychology in, then it is not worth it as it could destroy indeed.

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