UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season

[Leviathan.007]

In UEFA Champions League Yesterday Molde vs Galatasaray two teams had a very hard fought match. However, Molde team players could not win the match after fighting hard to win this match. Molde scored 2 goals in this match and if they could have scored 1 goal then this match would be a draw.  Could have done. Galatasaray team scored 3 goals and won the match. However, Galatasaray team made many efforts and won the match.

According to the stat above, if molde looks so weak during the match against galatasaray. Molde has made more fouls, and the club received more yellow card. It represents that if molde was feeling panic caused by how strong galatasaray was.
Galatasaray may not able to make a lot of shoots against molde but its counter attack was successfully bringing all of molde players are feeling panic. The next game gonna be harder game for molde.

I expect BTTS and ver 2.5 goal as the result from second leg. Galatasaray is gonna win against molde easily. Having 1 goal aggregate for the upcoming home game is very good for galatasaray at this moment.

Seeing Molde with more shots and more shorts on target for this game on the first leg and the near possession they had in this game made me think again before betting on this game because we know Galatasaray is a strong teams and they can have more potential but still the chance for Galatasaray is not very high considering their performance in the first leg and I think the higher rate of Molde can be a reason to say this game a little bit hard to be predicted however the 4.90 rate seems good for Molde.

[DaNNy001]

Manchester United defense line is actually comprised of really great centre-backs like Martinez and Varane. Therefore it wouldn't be fair to say that they have a bad defense. It must just be about being not ready for the new season yet. It isn't only the defense's fault that Manchester United see so many dangerous attacks in their half on the pitch.

Their midfield is also responsible for this of course. But this is only the beginning of the season. I believe they will get better in time. Manchester United were doing really good last season so they can reach that form again after some improvement. I can't wait to watch Hojlund also but he is still expected to be out for 1 more week.

I much expected them to play better this season and their defeat against Tottenham was really one which was mind blowing and I never expected it seeing how they perform very in terms of performance and I also believe and trust in what you said that with time good adjustments will be made interns of their game play performance because if it's the standard of the team it's actually quite not bad at all

[sana54210]

if we talk about bettors maybe it will be different because we are not going to compare the bad or how well any team is performing but just needing a win is more than enough but if talking about being a fan it will have a different meaning because we see every Galatasaray performance is very dramatic sometimes the results a last minute draw created the extra score to win that match.
for now Galatasaray seems very confident or like the enthusiasm to continue the match until they qualify for the UCL so whatever happens this team appearance always gives victory and if as bettors we can always get an advantage but as fans we always have worries to see every match this team.

next match of the 2nd leg playoff Galatasaray will really have a bigger chance of winning because even at home Molde can beat this team and then they will compete at home which will give greater enthusiasm to qualify for the UCL and I will not miss this match for take the opportunity to bet with more favorable odds.

Between the weather, the physical form, the pitch being synthetic, and being at an away game I guess getting a win was already a tough thing to do for Galatasaray. Now that they will be at home, a bit more in shape because they will rest, their own pitch, all those combined will make them even better to play.

People do not understand the value of going from home to field, versus going from home, to airport, to another city, to the hotel, then from hotel to field. That is actually a tiresome thing and yes they do get used to it after a while but it is still not as good as going from their own home to stadium. Plenty of players talked about it, it is not as much as other fans or your fans making a difference, but more about comfort.

[savetheFORUM]

The opportunity does exist for Manchester City to add another title in the Champions League this season, but it's still too early to talk about now because we haven't seen how all the teams that entered the Champions League will look like this season. There will definitely be surprises in the Champions League this season and all teams really have to work harder when competing in the Champions League because strong teams are not only in England, but also from other countries this season.

I've my nominations for clubs that exhibits good chances of lifting the trophy. However I will not disclosed that information yet, because we're yet to discover the performance from these competitive clubs, besides it's still early to decides the winner. When it comes to UEFA Champions League, I don’t expect these clubs to be reluctant in their performance, everyone wants the CL trophy which is up for grab from any elite competitive club. Like you said, Manchester City are the reigning champions, but I don't expect the cityzens to win two times in a row, it's impossible for an English club to do that,  because it would be that Pep Guardiola wants to repeat history.

Right now, we have nothing updates about this Champions League with who is coming and how things could be in group stage so disclosing about champion is surely not ideal because many times we have teams struggling in domestic league done impressive in UEFA Champions League and won title with few time strong enough teams not able to go through into last four which is natural part of this event because its history is full of surprises and upsets right now with current squad and performance clearly showing Manchester City, Bayern Munich and Barcelona could be at the top but still few teams are capable going with upsets and having out-side chance as well as we have in 2022 when Real Madrid won surprisingly against all odds, so this option is always available in this Champions League and Real Madrid start of season is also surprising, so things can go in any way.

[Yurkov]

Manchester United defense line is actually comprised of really great centre-backs like Martinez and Varane. Therefore it wouldn't be fair to say that they have a bad defense. It must just be about being not ready for the new season yet. It isn't only the defense's fault that Manchester United see so many dangerous attacks in their half on the pitch.

Their midfield is also responsible for this of course. But this is only the beginning of the season. I believe they will get better in time. Manchester United were doing really good last season so they can reach that form again after some improvement. I can't wait to watch Hojlund also but he is still expected to be out for 1 more week.

From watching Manchester United matches, I understand a lot that they want to correct their big mistakes and move forward. I hope the coach of the team will make the team stronger because traditional teams like Manchester United are not really fun to play football if they don't do well.

[BITCOIN4X]

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Barcelona has indeed performed very well in the LA Liga, but Barcelona has often performed poorly in the past few seasons due to financial factors and injuries to several players which have been the cause of their unlucky UCL. Looking at the current composition of players, Barcelona should be able to perform in the UCL better than last season where they were forced down to the Europa League. The presence of ilkay gundogan as a creative midfielder should be able to present a game that fans miss in their heyday like in 2015

We all know that Barcelona has been in really bad financial troubles in the last few seasons. This has made a poor performance decline in various competitions including La Liga and also the Champions League. But since Xavi coached them, I think there is a good difference in quality at Barcelona even though they are not doing well in the Champions League.

Barcelona must be ready to face this elite competition this season after winning the La Liga title last season. I'm sure the quality of the current Barcelona team is better, but Xavi certainly expects something better to support his game. New players are needed to support the plan, but Xavi should be quite satisfied with the existing line-up given the team's current financial situation.

[Nheer]

Manchester United defense line is actually comprised of really great centre-backs like Martinez and Varane. Therefore it wouldn't be fair to say that they have a bad defense. It must just be about being not ready for the new season yet. It isn't only the defense's fault that Manchester United see so many dangerous attacks in their half on the pitch.

Their midfield is also responsible for this of course. But this is only the beginning of the season. I believe they will get better in time. Manchester United were doing really good last season so they can reach that form again after some improvement. I can't wait to watch Hojlund also but he is still expected to be out for 1 more week.

Exactly, Manchester United midfield is so loose and it is the cause of all the pressure the defenders receive. The midfield is like the heart of the team and if they are not functioning properly then there will be a problem for the team. The coach needs to know that Mount is more of an attacking midfielder than a central midfielder so he will need time to get used to that role and also he needs to understand that Marcus Rashford would be better on the wing than as a striker. His early days as a footballer he started as a winger and he used to be very dangerous on the wing so in my opinion i think he would have more impact on the wing than Garnacho and Sancho so it will be better to play him as a winger.

[armanda90]

I agree with this if Real get Mbappé then surely this is going to be one of the most entertaining season in Champions League because three-way race and big names are going to face each other but now things favoring clearly Manchester City and Bayern Munich even it's too early because we all know Champions League is event of surprises and unusual results so right now many things are possible, but now few teams are not balances and can face tough time in early rounds as well.

With most chances Mbappé is going to stay at PSG and Real Madrid has to live without him for another season but still they are on positive start and Bayern Munich and Manchester City are looking well balances with Harry Kane and Haaland.

Carlo Ancelotti have announced about their current window transfers activities have been over and they will buy or sell players until next window transfer opening, its seems bad news for Madrid fans are expected for signing Mbappe. Actually, Real Madrid still on the positive start in La Liga but can't guarantee will get the same in UEFA Champion League will begin next month. After Karim Benzema departure, Real Madrid still not get great center forward except have to sign Joselu.

Manchester City seems still favorite team for winning Champion League next season although with their squad not balance yet after departure from Ikay Gundogan and Kevin De Bruyne have been absent for several week later after injuring.

[baeva]

Talking about favorites, we already know the team that will reach the important stages in UEFA Champions League this new season. You're absolutely right about picking Real Madrid, Manchester City, Barcelona and Bayern Munich. The Seria A clubs putting up stunning performance this season in UEFA CL, and other elite competitions. Last season, we had three clubs from Seria A that made it to three finals, and they all got defeated and went home without a single trophy. I guessed this season will be different one, expecting Inter, Juventus and Napoli to pulled a competitive race for UEFA Champions League this season.

I totally agree with your insightful thinking my friend.
Also for me these strong teams you mentioned are the best candidates to win or at least reach the final stages of the UEFA Champions League. We will see, but i think yes.

Hmm, I think at least half of the teams listed are nowhere near favourites. I don't think Barcelona are strong enough to even reach the semi-finals, just like Bayern, who are not in the best shape at the moment. Real Madrid are the kings of this tournament, there is no point in arguing against them. As far as I'm concerned, Manchester City are the favourites.

[Frankolala]

Talking about favorites, we already know the team that will reach the important stages in UEFA Champions League this new season. You're absolutely right about picking Real Madrid, Manchester City, Barcelona and Bayern Munich. The Seria A clubs putting up stunning performance this season in UEFA CL, and other elite competitions. Last season, we had three clubs from Seria A that made it to three finals, and they all got defeated and went home without a single trophy. I guessed this season will be different one, expecting Inter, Juventus and Napoli to pulled a competitive race for UEFA Champions League this season.

I totally agree with your insightful thinking my friend.
Also for me these strong teams you mentioned are the best candidates to win or at least reach the final stages of the UEFA Champions League. We will see, but i think yes.

Barcelona don't seem to be included in this circle, I wonder why anyone still believes Barcelona will be a title candidate team in the Champions League this season. Because the fact is, that Barcelona in the last two seasons always failed in the Champions League. Also Barcelona not only failed in the Champions League, but Barcelona also failed in the Europa League and obviously, it was a bad achievement for Barcelona. Although yeah, Barcelona has a star player in the squad but still, Barcelona still does not have the quality or ability to be a candidate for the title in this Champion League this season. Lol!

Personally, I also don't think that Barcelona is the favorite team for Sirupi, putting the champions. Barcelona team is strong. Their squad is good enough now. However, there is no consistency in their performance. Barcelona's performance is still erratic. The team lacks the ability to consistently perform well in competitive venues like La Liga and the Champions League. However, Barcelona have added Gundagon to strengthen their squad. With the help of Gundagon, Barcelona's midfield will be stronger. If the performance of Fati, Raphinha and Torres improves in the attack, maybe Barcelona can play well in the Champions League. But so far I haven't seen any better performances from Fati, Raphinha and Torres. They perform well in one match. But cannot consistently perform well.

Barcelona's team has performed brilliantly in La Liga for several seasons but have not been able to show their best in the Champions League. But with the kind of performance the team is doing at the beginning of this season, it can be expected that Barcelona will show something great to the fans in the Champions League this time.

Barcelona has indeed performed very well in the LA Liga, but Barcelona has often performed poorly in the past few seasons due to financial factors and injuries to several players which have been the cause of their unlucky UCL. Looking at the current composition of players, Barcelona should be able to perform in the UCL better than last season where they were forced down to the Europa League. The presence of ilkay gundogan as a creative midfielder should be able to present a game that fans miss in their heyday like in 2015

Barcelona needs to try this season to go far in the Champions league because they need to also show that they are capable of lifting this trophy and not only Laliga. The present squad of Barcelona and their playing pattern can fetch them the trophy if they are consistent with their performance. I was how it took them a very long time before they could score Cadiz two goals last weekend.

I don't think that it will be easy for them to lift the trophy since we have strong clubs like Real Madrid and Man City who will not easily give up on the race. Gundogan is a good player  and his presence  will add positive impact to the club's performance just like he did in Manchester city.

[Swordsoffreedom]

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Barcelona's team has performed brilliantly in La Liga for several seasons but have not been able to show their best in the Champions League. But with the kind of performance the team is doing at the beginning of this season, it can be expected that Barcelona will show something great to the fans in the Champions League this time.

Barcelona has indeed performed very well in the LA Liga, but Barcelona has often performed poorly in the past few seasons due to financial factors and injuries to several players which have been the cause of their unlucky UCL. Looking at the current composition of players, Barcelona should be able to perform in the UCL better than last season where they were forced down to the Europa League. The presence of ilkay gundogan as a creative midfielder should be able to present a game that fans miss in their heyday like in 2015

Barcelona needs to try this season to go far in the Champions league because they need to also show that they are capable of lifting this trophy and not only Laliga. The present squad of Barcelona and their playing pattern can fetch them the trophy if they are consistent with their performance. I was how it took them a very long time before they could score Cadiz two goals last weekend.
I don't think that it will be easy for them to lift the trophy since we have strong clubs like Real Madrid and Man City who will not easily give up on the race. Gundogan is a good player  and his presence  will add positive impact to the club's performance just like he did in Manchester city.

Barcelona will certainly be looking to do well in La Liga as well as the Champions League this season. However, whether they can maintain the consistency of performance, it is not yet known for sure. Much will depend on Xavi's match strategy. At the same time, Barcelona have a lot of young players in their squad. We don't know how they will perform.

My personal opinion is that Bayern Munich and Manchester City are the favorites to win the Champions League next season. Both these clubs have excellent squads and experienced coaches. Bayern Munich have been strengthened by the addition of Harry Kane to the squad. On the other hand, we are not sure if Real Madrid will do well in the Champions League. Because they lost the best player in their squad, Benzema. Now if Real Madrid can add Mbappe to the squad, this team will also be on my favorites list for the Champions League title.

[Oluwa-btc]

Last season, in the first two matches Manchester United played really badly, they were knocked out by Brigthon 1-2 and fell with a landslide score by Brenford. In this season, Manchester United again did not live up to the expectations of its supporters in the first 2 matches in the Premier League. even though they have brought in several newcomers, but that is not enough to make this team more competitive, strong and consistent. As for their new striker Rasmus Hojlund, Ten Hag has not been able to play him because he is still recovering from his injury problems. so, that's why he hasn't made his debut with The Red Devils.
in the Tottenham match, United played with an underperforming performance, Rashford was unable to display his best performance, as well as several other players including Mason Mount. what is certain is that Ten Hag has extra work to improve the squad for his team to perform better, he must re-discipline his team, to achieve the game he wants. the domestic competition has just started, and the Champions League still has a gap in time, Ten Hag still has time to bring his team back to their best performance.

The setbacks of last season should not come up no more,  Manchester United already know what the coach wants they should do all they can to make sure they the manager gets shis right set of players for himself.
The first two games of this season is also ugly, how can they play so poorly and expect to be tittle condenters with this way?

Marcus Rashford disappoints me a big time, Anthony is another player who is not direct on the wings, he should be used over Anthony.
These are young talenta that really wants to show what they've got for the club. Mason Mount? I'm short of words ons what to say about him. Manchester United will face gunner's in the next few games that should be a must win game for Manchester United. They better get themselves together.

[Google+]

Barcelona has indeed performed very well in the LA Liga, but Barcelona has often performed poorly in the past few seasons due to financial factors and injuries to several players which have been the cause of their unlucky UCL. Looking at the current composition of players, Barcelona should be able to perform in the UCL better than last season where they were forced down to the Europa League. The presence of ilkay gundogan as a creative midfielder should be able to present a game that fans miss in their heyday like in 2015

If you saw Barcelona last season, of course Barcelona were in their era of financial crisis, but Barcelona was able to win the Laliga trophy with Xavi expertise in managing tactics with Barcelona last season. So this season, Barcelona finances have not recovered from the financial crisis they are experiencing, so they have difficulty bringing in players in this transfer window.

But still, Barcelona is still a pretty strong team in Laliga this season. However, their first start of the season failed to get any points as they drew against Getafe and Barcelona managed to overcome this to win again against Cadiz. I think Barcelona run this season is certainly more impressive than the previous season and hope that Lewandowski can end the problem of scoring goals in the upcoming matches.

[tiCeR]

Barcelona has indeed performed very well in the LA Liga, but Barcelona has often performed poorly in the past few seasons due to financial factors and injuries to several players which have been the cause of their unlucky UCL. Looking at the current composition of players, Barcelona should be able to perform in the UCL better than last season where they were forced down to the Europa League. The presence of ilkay gundogan as a creative midfielder should be able to present a game that fans miss in their heyday like in 2015

If you saw Barcelona last season, of course Barcelona were in their era of financial crisis, but Barcelona was able to win the Laliga trophy with Xavi expertise in managing tactics with Barcelona last season. So this season, Barcelona finances have not recovered from the financial crisis they are experiencing, so they have difficulty bringing in players in this transfer window.

But still, Barcelona is still a pretty strong team in Laliga this season. However, their first start of the season failed to get any points as they drew against Getafe and Barcelona managed to overcome this to win again against Cadiz. I think Barcelona run this season is certainly more impressive than the previous season and hope that Lewandowski can end the problem of scoring goals in the upcoming matches.

But this is a Barcelona that is so different from what any team was used to, Barcelona was this amazing champion that spoiled us. We thought that the level these guys delivered is the standard, but it wasn't.

One thing that we might not see again anytime soon was the balance that Barcelona had a decade ago between all lines in their squad. Usually a team has at least one weakness or a part in the team that the opponent identifies as a weakness, but when they had their prime time team back in the years with Guardiola, that was the time when they set expectations that are realistically almost impossible to be met later on. When Messi also left, it was expectable that they will be facing significant changes. They are now searching for amazing talents at a young age, but I think it is hard. They have had a few golden years with their own boys from La Masia.

[Docnaster]

Barcelona has indeed performed very well in the LA Liga, but Barcelona has often performed poorly in the past few seasons due to financial factors and injuries to several players which have been the cause of their unlucky UCL. Looking at the current composition of players, Barcelona should be able to perform in the UCL better than last season where they were forced down to the Europa League. The presence of ilkay gundogan as a creative midfielder should be able to present a game that fans miss in their heyday like in 2015

If you saw Barcelona last season, of course Barcelona were in their era of financial crisis, but Barcelona was able to win the Laliga trophy with Xavi expertise in managing tactics with Barcelona last season. So this season, Barcelona finances have not recovered from the financial crisis they are experiencing, so they have difficulty bringing in players in this transfer window.

But still, Barcelona is still a pretty strong team in Laliga this season. However, their first start of the season failed to get any points as they drew against Getafe and Barcelona managed to overcome this to win again against Cadiz. I think Barcelona run this season is certainly more impressive than the previous season and hope that Lewandowski can end the problem of scoring goals in the upcoming matches.

Xavi Hernandez in my opinion deserves more than the praises he got from last season for his great and surprising victory in winning the Spanish league ahead star studded team like that of Real Madrid.
Since the financial crises at Barcelona started, one can tell how the former Barcelona player has been managing the team's performance and bringing out the best from the available players at Barcelona. I think they currently have a better squad than that of last season. So I expect them to finish in either the first or second position at the end if the season

[bitpotter]

Exactly, Manchester United midfield is so loose and it is the cause of all the pressure the defenders receive. The midfield is like the heart of the team and if they are not functioning properly then there will be a problem for the team. The coach needs to know that Mount is more of an attacking midfielder than a central midfielder so he will need time to get used to that role and also he needs to understand that Marcus Rashford would be better on the wing than as a striker. His early days as a footballer he started as a winger and he used to be very dangerous on the wing so in my opinion i think he would have more impact on the wing than Garnacho and Sancho so it will be better to play him as a winger.

But the problem is that even though Rashford can fill the wing position, currently Manchester United does not have a striker who is good enough to fill that position. We know Rasmus Hojlund is still injured and who knows when he will recover from injury, on the other hand even though Martial is there, Erik ten hag doesn't fully trust him as a starter. So Erik ten hag's decision was based on these reasons so he will continue to maximize Garnacho or Sancho for the winger position until Rasmus Hojlund returns from injury. But I hope Rasmus Hojlund recovers before the opening match of the Champions League group begins.

[arimamib]

Xavi Hernandez in my opinion deserves more than the praises he got from last season for his great and surprising victory in winning the Spanish league ahead star studded team like that of Real Madrid.
Since the financial crises at Barcelona started, one can tell how the former Barcelona player has been managing the team's performance and bringing out the best from the available players at Barcelona. I think they currently have a better squad than that of last season. So I expect them to finish in either the first or second position at the end if the season

Of course Barcelona have stronger depth this season due to several signings made by Xavi in ​​this transfer window. Gundogan presence is expected to bring Barcelona back strong in the Champions League.

I think Barcelona's toughness will be assessed when they face matches in the champions league. I think Xavi should be able to get Barcelona past the group phase and go far in the Champions League this season.

In the previous season, Barcelona failed in the group phase because they were unable to compete with Bayern Munich and Inter Milan. I don't think that's happening again with them this season. At least it can reach the semifinals or more.

[AndySt]

Of course Barcelona have stronger depth this season due to several signings made by Xavi in ​​this transfer window. Gundogan presence is expected to bring Barcelona back strong in the Champions League. I think Barcelona's toughness will be assessed when they face matches in the champions league. I think Xavi should be able to get Barcelona past the group phase and go far in the Champions League this season. In the previous season, Barcelona failed in the group phase because they were unable to compete with Bayern Munich and Inter Milan. I don't think that's happening again with them this season. At least it can reach the semifinals or more.

Well, as for the Champions League semi-final, I would not have swung so far, given the other contenders, with the squad played and not having such serious financial problems. But Barcelona can count on getting out of the group quite well and must fight for it. And then everything will depend on the success of the draw, which clubs will be rivals, how everything will turn out. Nevertheless, Barcelona, in my opinion, is not the main favorite in the current Champions League draw, despite all its progress under the leadership of Xavi Hernandez.

[Swordsoffreedom]

Of course Barcelona have stronger depth this season due to several signings made by Xavi in ​​this transfer window. Gundogan presence is expected to bring Barcelona back strong in the Champions League. I think Barcelona's toughness will be assessed when they face matches in the champions league. I think Xavi should be able to get Barcelona past the group phase and go far in the Champions League this season. In the previous season, Barcelona failed in the group phase because they were unable to compete with Bayern Munich and Inter Milan. I don't think that's happening again with them this season. At least it can reach the semifinals or more.

Well, as for the Champions League semi-final, I would not have swung so far, given the other contenders, with the squad played and not having such serious financial problems. But Barcelona can count on getting out of the group quite well and must fight for it. And then everything will depend on the success of the draw, which clubs will be rivals, how everything will turn out. Nevertheless, Barcelona, in my opinion, is not the main favorite in the current Champions League draw, despite all its progress under the leadership of Xavi Hernandez.

Barcelona have been in financial trouble for the past few seasons. The financial condition of the club is not good. Due to this, they are not able to add any big star player to the squad. And they also failed to pay high wages to the squad players. However, Barcelona have a fairly stable and strong squad. If financially able, Xavi would have been able to strengthen his squad and make it Champions League worthy. However, Barcelona's performance has been somewhat erratic and the team is not the favorite for the Champions League title. But I think this team will be able to qualify for the semi finals. Unless they face tough opponents like City or Munich, qualifying for the semi-finals won't be difficult for them.

[len01]

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Barcelona needs to try this season to go far in the Champions league because they need to also show that they are capable of lifting this trophy and not only Laliga. The present squad of Barcelona and their playing pattern can fetch them the trophy if they are consistent with their performance. I was how it took them a very long time before they could score Cadiz two goals last weekend.

I don't think that it will be easy for them to lift the trophy since we have strong clubs like Real Madrid and Man City who will not easily give up on the race. Gundogan is a good player  and his presence  will add positive impact to the club's performance just like he did in Manchester city.

I dont know if this is a coincidence or its a reality but for me a team that is able to lift the Champions League trophy usually has star players in the team but also this will not guarantee that a team can get the UCL trophy just because there are star players but that just my opinion.
Barcelona currently still has Lewandowski and for me this player is one of the star players who has had success in the past but he is old enough to appear even stronger and on the one hand Barcelona still has weaknesses in defense because the players that have been obtained this season have only been acquired for free without being able to select players of higher talent to buy.

for Real Madrid it is likely that they will also have the same fate as Barcelona because losing Benzema is one of the difficulties for Madrid to be able to appear stronger as before and until now they have not found a replacement for Benzema and even have to wait for surprise news from Mbappe. and for Man City they still have a chance in the upcoming UCL season but at the start of the season Man City was a little inconsistent in the EPL and their main player Haaland also experienced a change in his performance. I think Guardiola will work hard to improve his players again to be able to lift the UCL trophy again.