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May 31, 2024, 06:56:02 PM
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There were big surprises in the European cups this year. First Atalanta and then Olympic. Real Madrid is the absolute favorite in the UEFA Champions League and almost no one is determined that Real Madrid will not make a mistake. This game is never predictable in football.

Real Madrid is a club that can move easily around here, but they will also need luck. In fact, I think it will be a good final for both teams. I think Real Madrid will not surprise us and will get a comfortable victory.
comfortable victory you say? Nah!
Except you've not watch the kind of fight Dortmund put forward against PSG and ended up kicking them from entering into the finals of the champions league. At this stage, we have to take away our emotions and face the reality that it's going to be a tough match for real Madrid.

Dortmund already know that Madrid fihhts to the end in All matches and so they will be pressured to score more goals to get ahead of real Madrid early in the game and with the intensity of there play, it's certain that we might see Dortmund pushing real Madrid to a tight corner and frustrate all there efforts.

So, do you think PSG and Real Madrid have the same quality?
Because obviously, I think Real Madrid have great quality and experience in the Champions League and as such, I don't think it's right if you equate PSG with Real Madrid. Indeed, when Dortmund beat PSG at least Dortmund also only played defensively, making it difficult for PSG to score. Of course, Dortmund will also do the same thing in the final match later vs Real Madrid but anyway, how much Dortmund plays defense but I personally believe that Real Madrid still has a chance to win. After all, if Dortmund managed to hold Real Madrid to a draw for 90 minutes, of course there is still an extra time and also a penalty shootout and thus, there will always be a chance for Real Madrid to win.

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May 31, 2024, 07:02:51 PM
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Im still wondering WHY Borusia Dortmund odds are only 5? and are 5 not for became champion, but for win in the regular time , total crazy, for me Borussia Dortmund odds cant be lower than 8.00 for that market.

Maybe what is happening is so much people is putting money on them so the odds are becoming lower and lowers waiting for a surprise.
Maybe the oddsmaker knows that a lot of people will place a bet in favor of Borussia Dortmund, and they are afraid of losing so much money if Borussia Dortmund shocks the world and beats Real Madrid in the UEFA Champions League finals. That is the reason why the oddsmaker didn't give Borussia Dortmund much odds to beat Real Madrid in the UEFA Champions League finals. 
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May 31, 2024, 07:09:21 PM
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There were big surprises in the European cups this year. First Atalanta and then Olympic. Real Madrid is the absolute favorite in the UEFA Champions League and almost no one is determined that Real Madrid will not make a mistake. This game is never predictable in football.

Real Madrid is a club that can move easily around here, but they will also need luck. In fact, I think it will be a good final for both teams. I think Real Madrid will not surprise us and will get a comfortable victory.
comfortable victory you say? Nah!
Except you've not watch the kind of fight Dortmund put forward against PSG and ended up kicking them from entering into the finals of the champions league. At this stage, we have to take away our emotions and face the reality that it's going to be a tough match for real Madrid.

Dortmund already know that Madrid fihhts to the end in All matches and so they will be pressured to score more goals to get ahead of real Madrid early in the game and with the intensity of there play, it's certain that we might see Dortmund pushing real Madrid to a tight corner and frustrate all there efforts.

You cannot combine Real Madrid and Paris Saint-Germain because they are too far apart. Because Dortmund defeated PSG, they will face Real Madrid in the final. I won't stop saying it. nothing will prevent Real Madrid from defeating Dortmund tomorrow, except that the first 11 Madrid players will not play. Ancelotti has already won the 15 Champions League for Madrid, and I am sure some will agree with me because Madrid are the best this season. There is nothing Dortmund can do to Real Madrid tomorrow, even if their players are better. So, let's see how Real Madrid will defeat Madrid. Even if Dortmund gives Madrid a terrible time, they will eventually prevail.  Cheesy I over truest real madrid if is final and is Champions League final. Am sure Madrid will try to finished them since from the first half and give the fans hope of winning the tittle this season.

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May 31, 2024, 07:11:18 PM
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Dortmund already know that Madrid fihhts to the end in All matches and so they will be pressured to score more goals to get ahead of real Madrid early in the game and with the intensity of there play, it's certain that we might see Dortmund pushing real Madrid to a tight corner and frustrate all there efforts.
Will Real Madrid leave it at that? Of course, Real Madrid will continue to pressure Dortmund, that's what I have in mind tomorrow in the final, here Real Madrid wants to make new history again with the umpteenth trophy.

Actually we are just speculating about this match and we expect a competitive match or more goals from both teams, although I myself expect Real Madrid to win, I don't like Dortmund but again never underestimate them.

My score prediction for this match 2-1 in favor of Real Madrid is still quite reasonable.

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May 31, 2024, 07:12:01 PM
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Of course in as much as this champions league is concerned Real Madrid still remain the best team so far that have lift the trophy for 14th times now, although if them won this one again now that is 15th times, and also everybody have a strong feeling that Real Madrid is going to won Dortmund, the trust that we have for Real Madrid to won the champions league final I hope they are not going to lose the game, because losing the champions league final is going to brought so much pain to there fans.
I do not know about that, Real Madrid is the most successful club around the world, whether we are talking about the domestic league on which it competes or internationally, so losing the UCL will be painful to their fans but they will always have the chance to keep winning trophies on the future, as the people managing the club are committed to spend as much money as they can to keep Real Madrid as a contender on every single tournament on which they compete.
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May 31, 2024, 07:13:06 PM
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Getting a much greater winning percentage is quite natural for Real Madrid and a quarter of it belongs to Dortmund in the final match. Honestly, I'm still curious about who will win the match and even if a new champion comes, I quite hope it will be Dortmund's and it will also be their second Champions League title. However, with the prepared squad that Real Madrid has, they have almost no room for defeat and instead they will try hard to close this season with their 15th Champions League title.

Surely Ancelotti knows exactly what he has to do and perhaps their only loss is the absence of Tchouameni who is reportedly injured. Other news came from goalkeeper Andrey Lunin who was sick so he did not join Real Madrid's group to Wembley today and he will follow his colleagues on Saturday. I think Andrey Lunin has been a great goalkeeper this season in the Champions League and deserves a chance in the final but it looks like if that isn't possible then Courtois will start from the start.

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May 31, 2024, 07:29:40 PM
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Im still wondering WHY Borusia Dortmund odds are only 5? and are 5 not for became champion, but for win in the regular time , total crazy, for me Borussia Dortmund odds cant be lower than 8.00 for that market.

Maybe what is happening is so much people is putting money on them so the odds are becoming lower and lowers waiting for a surprise.
Maybe the oddsmaker knows that a lot of people will place a bet in favor of Borussia Dortmund, and they are afraid of losing so much money if Borussia Dortmund shocks the world and beats Real Madrid in the UEFA Champions League finals. That is the reason why the oddsmaker didn't give Borussia Dortmund much odds to beat Real Madrid in the UEFA Champions League finals. 
The final of the Champions League has initially favored Real Madrid based on previous statistical analysis, including the head-to-head between the two teams. Despite Borussia Dortmund having larger odds in betting, their chances are considered smaller. However, the Champions League final is often influenced by psychological factors and the intensity of a one-off match, without home and away dynamics, which can suddenly change the dynamics. Such odds might be exploited in the first half by those placing bets.

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May 31, 2024, 07:32:22 PM
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Im still wondering WHY Borusia Dortmund odds are only 5? and are 5 not for became champion, but for win in the regular time , total crazy, for me Borussia Dortmund odds cant be lower than 8.00 for that market.

Maybe what is happening is so much people is putting money on them so the odds are becoming lower and lowers waiting for a surprise.
Maybe the oddsmaker knows that a lot of people will place a bet in favor of Borussia Dortmund, and they are afraid of losing so much money if Borussia Dortmund shocks the world and beats Real Madrid in the UEFA Champions League finals. That is the reason why the oddsmaker didn't give Borussia Dortmund much odds to beat Real Madrid in the UEFA Champions League finals. 
Yes, you are very correct because the oddsmaker feel that a lot of people is going to place there bet on Borussia Dortmund to win Real Madrid that is why their odd is going down instead of going up, although they feel that is going be like Man City against Manchester united in the FA cup final because they gave Man City small odd because they were thinking that Man City won Manchester united has down, but at last it was really unbelievable to them.

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May 31, 2024, 07:44:22 PM
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Dortmund did deserve to be here with the season they had, but I still do not give them a single chance. I understand that anything is possible in football and they have a chance as much as anyone else, but I feel like it is not going to be that easy to make it work, I feel like we are going to see it change a bit.

The best thing to do at this case would be just letting them be whatever they want to be, and they should not be worried about it. I think it is going to be fine, and with that I believe that if we are going to end up with a result that is a little sensitive. So, we should consider how to move forward with this situation. That would be lovely, and I think it is going to be something that will benefit Real Madrid, who will win this one for sure.

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Im still wondering WHY Borusia Dortmund odds are only 5? and are 5 not for became champion, but for win in the regular time , total crazy, for me Borussia Dortmund odds cant be lower than 8.00 for that market.

Maybe what is happening is so much people is putting money on them so the odds are becoming lower and lowers waiting for a surprise.
Maybe the oddsmaker knows that a lot of people will place a bet in favor of Borussia Dortmund, and they are afraid of losing so much money if Borussia Dortmund shocks the world and beats Real Madrid in the UEFA Champions League finals. That is the reason why the oddsmaker didn't give Borussia Dortmund much odds to beat Real Madrid in the UEFA Champions League finals. 
Yes, you are very correct because the oddsmaker feel that a lot of people is going to place there bet on Borussia Dortmund to win Real Madrid that is why their odd is going down instead of going up, although they feel that is going be like Man City against Manchester united in the FA cup final because they gave Man City small odd because they were thinking that Man City won Manchester united has down, but at last it was really unbelievable to them.
Apart from the Champions League finals between Real Madrid and borussia Dortmund, in other matches and especially finals we also discover that odds do drop. Most times the book makers do not actually know what odds to set, what they do is to gamble it and see where the sentiment of the gamblers will go. It is normal that the odds should favor Real Madrid but the difference shouldn't be that much since it is a final. Even if they made mistake to have made the difference to be much, it is not late to be corrected and in the end no one actually knows what the outcome will be.

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May 31, 2024, 07:57:01 PM
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I've already made a bet with my friend who supports Real Madrid hehe
Turns out we're doing the same thing... Grin I bet with a friend who hates Real Madrid and he's a Barcelona fan but here I'm betting on Real Madrid and he's betting on Dortmund.

But now I'm not sure which bet to place now
Real's win is only 1.67 odds, I don't know if it's worth the risk of it being a final and the game going to extra time again
Betting on Borussia seems like a good risk and return with 5.20 odds
For me, the Real Madrid odds right now are in line with what we're seeing, Real Madrid looks dominant compared to Dortmund, so I'm not hesitant to bet at 1.67.
Are you brave enough to take the Dortmund odds offered by the bookies? I'm not sure but it's a normal time bet.

Last year's final was easier to predict than this one  Huh
You know last year's final was kind of predictable because it was Inter Milan vs Manchester City, but what happened on the pitch was only a 1-0 win and on the other hand Inter Milan played quite well with a lot of chances.

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May 31, 2024, 08:04:17 PM
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Im still wondering WHY Borusia Dortmund odds are only 5? and are 5 not for became champion, but for win in the regular time , total crazy, for me Borussia Dortmund odds cant be lower than 8.00 for that market.

Maybe what is happening is so much people is putting money on them so the odds are becoming lower and lowers waiting for a surprise.
Maybe the oddsmaker knows that a lot of people will place a bet in favor of Borussia Dortmund, and they are afraid of losing so much money if Borussia Dortmund shocks the world and beats Real Madrid in the UEFA Champions League finals. That is the reason why the oddsmaker didn't give Borussia Dortmund much odds to beat Real Madrid in the UEFA Champions League finals. 

I thought the oddsmaker use to make odds base on the current situation of both teams and what is most likely to be the outcome of the game after checking through the strength of each team, why is it different in tomorrow’s final? Could it be because of the unexpected finals that took place this season and all the teams everyone though will win always loss the end? This is very surprising though, they shouldn’t be doing this because they’re scared of the outcome of the match. Dortmund is definitely not a weak team to have come this far in the competition, but that’s not an assertion for them to win Real Madrid without having a tough and competitive clash between them both. I think one should just forget about the odds and see what each team can do to win the finals.

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Im still wondering WHY Borusia Dortmund odds are only 5? and are 5 not for became champion, but for win in the regular time , total crazy, for me Borussia Dortmund odds cant be lower than 8.00 for that market.

Maybe what is happening is so much people is putting money on them so the odds are becoming lower and lowers waiting for a surprise.

Many have started getting interest in Liverpool winning the finals. I think that is why their odds are up to 5, but it is still not bad because if care is not taken, they will still win the game, as I am also thinking, but I am still considering Real Madrid as the champions of all time. Will they allow such to happen? Because it is still under probability because this final game will not be as expected, I know we are still in the middle of a prediction 

But the odds on dortmund show that high potential has been put on them and there is a slight hope they might win because people having potential in them will make them have more interest and strength in winning, but it is still not bad. Let us wait and see what the finals will look like. 

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Dortmund did deserve to be here with the season they had, but I still do not give them a single chance. I understand that anything is possible in football and they have a chance as much as anyone else, but I feel like it is not going to be that easy to make it work, I feel like we are going to see it change a bit.

The best thing to do at this case would be just letting them be whatever they want to be, and they should not be worried about it. I think it is going to be fine, and with that I believe that if we are going to end up with a result that is a little sensitive. So, we should consider how to move forward with this situation. That would be lovely, and I think it is going to be something that will benefit Real Madrid, who will win this one for sure.

Don't be so sure about Real Madrid lifting the Champions League trophy. It is good for Real Madrid to have confidence. But they should definitely not be overconfident. That’s how big teams lose against weaker opponents. Of course, Real Madrid is the bigger team going into this match. Real Madrid should win this match. But whenever it is the final of a major competition, it doesn’t matter how weak one team looks, or it does not matter how much success one team has had in this same competition before, there is always a 50/50 chance for both of the teams. But I guess it is going to be a little stupid to say that in this match both have a 50-50 chance. Because Real Madrid is clearly better. all I am saying is let’s not think that Real Madrid has already been able to win the final even before the match starts.

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May 31, 2024, 08:44:45 PM
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I thought the oddsmaker use to make odds base on the current situation of both teams and what is most likely to be the outcome of the game after checking through the strength of each team, why is it different in tomorrow’s final? Could it be because of the unexpected finals that took place this season and all the teams everyone though will win always loss the end? This is very surprising though, they shouldn’t be doing this because they’re scared of the outcome of the match. Dortmund is definitely not a weak team to have come this far in the competition, but that’s not an assertion for them to win Real Madrid without having a tough and competitive clash between them both. I think one should just forget about the odds and see what each team can do to win the finals.

Bookmakers don't only use head-to-head statistics to give odds, even fans opinions count sometimes and since Europa cup caught many by surprise, they had to put that into consideration. You saw what Atalanta played that day, scatter unbeaten team for a whole season but what I'm doubting is if that is likely to happen to Real Madrid, we are talking about their 15 Champions league here, are they going to be redundant and lose guard to Dortmund in this match, I really doubt and I have given Real Madrid straight win against tomorrow.

To be fair Dortmund has tried but some team pave way for them, the team PSG remove to come to Quarter final, Dortmund might not survive and similarly the team Real Madrid almost died with high pressure but look how they survived to the final and you think they will fold so easy? I don't think so.

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May 31, 2024, 08:57:00 PM
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Im still wondering WHY Borusia Dortmund odds are only 5? and are 5 not for became champion, but for win in the regular time , total crazy, for me Borussia Dortmund odds cant be lower than 8.00 for that market.

Maybe what is happening is so much people is putting money on them so the odds are becoming lower and lowers waiting for a surprise.
Maybe the oddsmaker knows that a lot of people will place a bet in favor of Borussia Dortmund, and they are afraid of losing so much money if Borussia Dortmund shocks the world and beats Real Madrid in the UEFA Champions League finals. That is the reason why the oddsmaker didn't give Borussia Dortmund much odds to beat Real Madrid in the UEFA Champions League finals. 

It sounds funny to me how people give Dortmund a high chance of winning this league title because I don’t see any sign or performance that will convince me to agree that Dortmund are going to win this league, even though we know that the same thing that happened to Leverkusen can happen here tomorrow, but still, I won’t give Dortmund a high chance that they will be the winner of this match. The oddsmaker just did this in favour of them and nothing more than that.

If not, I believe they also know that Dortmund will not win Real Madrid. Real Madrid are fully ready for this match, and I’m very sure they will get this title, so let’s wait and see how it will turn out tomorrow. Since I can see that most of us already believe that Dortmund are going to win the league, we should not conclude on one thing for now. Let's see the result tomorrow.

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May 31, 2024, 08:57:02 PM
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Im still wondering WHY Borusia Dortmund odds are only 5? and are 5 not for became champion, but for win in the regular time , total crazy, for me Borussia Dortmund odds cant be lower than 8.00 for that market.

Maybe what is happening is so much people is putting money on them so the odds are becoming lower and lowers waiting for a surprise.


Tomorrow is a big day for both real Madrid and dortmund and also the fans of real Madrid  and given Dortmund five odd was as a result of they know Dortmund will not be able to win real Madrid,  and that is why they gave them a big odd and real Madrid was given a small one. And its going to be tough game tomorrow and I love the way it was fixed on a Saturday which is a free day. So everyone will get to watch the game. And their won't be any other surprise than real Madrid winning because am sure they won't leave anything give out five free odds just like that they already know what is at stake. We have seen games like this and am supraised that people still think this way, thinking Dortmund will defeat Madrid it won't be possible. Situation like this are nothing different.  So tomorrow both of them can decide which of them wants to win the title.

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May 31, 2024, 09:03:12 PM
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Dortmund did deserve to be here with the season they had, but I still do not give them a single chance. I understand that anything is possible in football and they have a chance as much as anyone else, but I feel like it is not going to be that easy to make it work, I feel like we are going to see it change a bit.

The final match is still yet to be played and I see a lot of hope in Dortmund just like I can see in Real Madrid also. To have come this far, they should be respected and not underrated by any team. The oddsmaker can give whatever they like in this match, but it’s not that both teams can’t do their thing to make themself win. It will be an even match and the best team will be the one to prevail in this match. Dortmund is the less team in this case but that does not stop them from trying to be champions in this season’s champions league. They can try their best and if their best is good enough, they can become winners tomorrow.

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May 31, 2024, 09:06:05 PM
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Scoring two goals against Atlético is not nearly as difficult as it was 3-4 years ago. By comparison, Atlético have conceded 43 goals in 38 games in La Liga this season, while Real have conceded just 26. And here we must remember that, relative to half of the La Liga teams, Atlético is head and shoulders above, and Real received most of the goals they conceded when they had already officially become champions and were playing with the second team.
We’ll see how it turns out in a little more than a day, personally, I’ll take a risk and since I have some free money, I’ll bet on Real winning in regular time with a handicap (-1 and -2).

No worries, I am very well aware of what I am talking about and scoring goals against Atletico in a Champions League quarterfinal when they took the lead in aggregate is a 100 times harder than it is in La Liga. That's why I am not a friend of drawing on La Liga statistics. It doesn't make sense to draw on league statistics as you can clearly see this season alone. Dortmund finished 5th in the Bundesliga. And what?

I guess nobody forgot who got eliminated by Atletico Madrid: it was the super strong finalist from last season and the overwhelming Serie A champion Inter Milan. If it were to work the way you now presented, then something must be wrong Wink

But don't get me wrong, I know that this Atletico is not the Atletico from a few years ago. Still I think they can switch into a different mode in the Champions League and I find that quite normal.

Ok, look at Atlético's other games in the Champions League - in almost every one they conceded a goal, if you take out the games with Dortmund (where they conceded 5 goals while scoring only 4), then their statistics are as follows: 8 games, 8 conceded goals. This is a repetition of La Liga statistics.
Now look at Dortmund: they won the group against PSG, and against dead Milan and Newcastle, then they beat PSV, then Atlético Madrid, then PSG again. Nothing phenomenal (except for the number of hits on the post in the games with PSG), the usual fluctuation of the result.

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May 31, 2024, 09:16:29 PM
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Yes, you are very correct because the oddsmaker feel that a lot of people is going to place there bet on Borussia Dortmund to win Real Madrid that is why their odd is going down instead of going up, although they feel that is going be like Man City against Manchester united in the FA cup final because they gave Man City small odd because they were thinking that Man City won Manchester united has down, but at last it was really unbelievable to them.
Just few weeks ago, the favorites were real Madrid against Dortmund, but with the developments from Europa league and FA cup finals, people are now very unsure of their favorite and more people now rooting for Dortmund to win to conclude the on going trend of supposed weaker teams claiming trophies with  reckless abandon, humiliating stronger teams in the process.

I suppose pressure is really building up in the Madrid camp as well as the  opposing team against tomorrow. I believe they would give us a resounding performance tomorrow. Myself don't care much about who wins the title, I just want to enjoy the match, of course my stakes are with Dortmund. If not for anything. Let them taste champions league title again after 27 years.

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