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August 20, 2023, 07:40:57 PM
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So much for the Fury vs Ngannou clown show, Mike Tyson vs Fedor Emelianenko might just be among the card this October.  Consider this post as a filler though it's a bit of an off-topic, I just want to insert the info to leave a bad taste. So who you got and how does it play out?

This is Fedor's death wish by the way I guess Tyson wouldn't say no to someone that is dying. Mikie still got it, somehow he showed it in his last with Roy Jones.



Emelianenko has long wanted to try himself in boxing, and it seems there was talk of a fight with Roy Jones, but he only agreed to a large fee that none of the promotions could organize. As for the fight with Tyson, I have no idea how it can end - Fedor has already lost everything he could, boxing is not his main occupation for him (although he is undoubtedly more experienced in boxing than, for example, Ngannou), but Tyson is much older.

Seem a bit of a fair match though. Mike is older but boxing is his playground while Fedor is younger but he is fighting in a boxing ring. This fight will be a good undercard for Francis vs Fury as it will also make a huge crowd in the arena. The promotion will be glad to welcome them.

Ngannou vs Fury hype had slowed down to which it really going to need help. What they will need is more UFC fighters crossing to make a lot of people interested in the result.


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August 20, 2023, 07:57:34 PM
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So much for the Fury vs Ngannou clown show, Mike Tyson vs Fedor Emelianenko might just be among the card this October.  Consider this post as a filler though it's a bit of an off-topic, I just want to insert the info to leave a bad taste. So who you got and how does it play out?

This is Fedor's death wish by the way I guess Tyson wouldn't say no to someone that is dying. Mikie still got it, somehow he showed it in his last with Roy Jones.


For what purpose is Tyson getting back into pro boxing? Is he out of money for bird feed?

kiddings aside while this for sure is going to be a fight that people will look out for, his opponent's not as well-known as he is, and even if we disregard that fact for the meantime in favor of seeing Tyson fight again in the ring, I don't think he's going to be able to give us a fight that is as ballistic and exciting as his bouts when he was still young and in his prime. Regardless, this is going to be one for the books, sucks to be Fedor lol. The pressure's on him and if he's unlucky this is going to cause a massive dent into his boxing legacy. Imagine being the guy who can't even defeat post-prime Mike Tyson, although that in itself is a massive ordeal on its own lol.

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August 21, 2023, 08:36:43 AM
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For what purpose is Tyson getting back into pro boxing? Is he out of money for bird feed?

No purpose at all. Fedor Emelianenko just mentioned in an interview that he would retire from MMA and go boxing, and wants his opponent to be Mike Tyson, and people has pumped that into a huge drama, like Elon Musk vs Mark Zuckerberg MMA fight.

Maybe this has connection with Ngannou vs Fury fight. Hype out of nowhere. Mike Tyson is with Ngannou, so media use everything related Mike to get more attention to a boxing fight on October 28. Probably their fight fees are so high, that promotors try to sell every single ticket, seat, PPV Cheesy

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August 21, 2023, 11:41:57 AM
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So much for the Fury vs Ngannou clown show, Mike Tyson vs Fedor Emelianenko might just be among the card this October.  Consider this post as a filler though it's a bit of an off-topic, I just want to insert the info to leave a bad taste. So who you got and how does it play out?

This is Fedor's death wish by the way I guess Tyson wouldn't say no to someone that is dying. Mikie still got it, somehow he showed it in his last with Roy Jones.



Emelianenko has long wanted to try himself in boxing, and it seems there was talk of a fight with Roy Jones, but he only agreed to a large fee that none of the promotions could organize. As for the fight with Tyson, I have no idea how it can end - Fedor has already lost everything he could, boxing is not his main occupation for him (although he is undoubtedly more experienced in boxing than, for example, Ngannou), but Tyson is much older.

Seem a bit of a fair match though. Mike is older but boxing is his playground while Fedor is younger but he is fighting in a boxing ring. This fight will be a good undercard for Francis vs Fury as it will also make a huge crowd in the arena. The promotion will be glad to welcome them.

Ngannou vs Fury hype had slowed down to which it really going to need help. What they will need is more UFC fighters crossing to make a lot of people interested in the result.


Is there a confirmation that their fight will happen? I know it would be a big thing to hype and add some audience to benefit the main event but I don't see it in the articles stating that they are really serious to be on the undercard. Hopefully it will happen though so that we can witness Iron Mike again live in the ring even if it's an exhibition fight, it's still worth it, you know.

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Here it is it also got a date so for sure it will happen, for sure the big boxing match that will happen in history as 2 fighters will clash and both are from the heavyweight division although Francis Ngannou comes from MMA it was said that Francis Ngannou would take this fight is because of the High pay it promises, but Francis Ngannou has said that he truly loves boxing this is his 1st choice although MMA was there and the 1st he has to grab on it was surely available for him and so this has embarked the Heavyweight UFC Champion Francis Ngannou to fight Tyson Fury, for sure I am also a fan of the MMA but Boxing is my first love and for this, I am really Curious in what will happen in this fight so I will run down what I think about both fighters

Tyson Fury - the Heavyweight boxer Tyson Fury that has the belt for WBA (Super), IBF, WBO, IBO, and the WBC, got 34 fights in boxing 33 wins, and 1 Draw 24 Via Knockouts and 9 via decision, for sure Tyson Fury has solidified himself in the world of boxing and as the fight was on the boxing format this fight is his turf for surely has a high advantage when it comes to boxing so likely when he lost this fight this is the end of his career and his fan based will surely Crumbles along with it, that Draw fight against Deontay Wilder was really unexpected but he eventually got the win on their next fight, for me Tyson Fury will have the volume and speed with the punches and surely it also not lacking in the power department so it could end up in a knockout win for Tyson Fury,

Francis Ngannou - the Heavyweight UFC champion Francis Ngannou is nicknamed The Predator he got a record on UFC 20 matches with 17 wins and 3 losses, 12 knockouts 4 Submissions, and 1 decision, for sure this is the 1st time he would fight with boxing gloves and this is certainly a new experience for him, as it is a different sport, but surely with that kind of body physique because of his grappling he needs body mass for sure because of that Francis Ngannou will be durable for sure he certainly got the power to knock out Tyson Fury for sure and in this fight he can see if he can surely do it I am still in doubt with his speed but certainly that 1 punch power with him, if he lost in this fight clearly he will not lose anything at all as this is not the sports that he likely used on,



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August 21, 2023, 02:02:26 PM
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For what purpose is Tyson getting back into pro boxing? Is he out of money for bird feed?
I don't think they have to have any valid purpose just to return in the limelight, just like Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao, are they also out of money? Grin

Mike Tyson was just called by Fedor Emelianenko and it doesn't even state or guarantee that they will indeed have a fight because this is not new anyway, there has been talks previously that Mike Tyson will fight Evander Holyfield but that didn't materialize. But if this bout will come into fruition, the organizers are definitely in for a lot of money because the last time Mike Tyson stepped foot in the ring way back 2020, that bout generated 1 million plus PPVs.

What more if we add Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou in the equation. It's just a business mate and if you don't want to watch, you're pretty much welcome not to participate.

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Here it is it also got a date so for sure it will happen, for sure the big boxing match that will happen in history as 2 fighters will clash and both are from the heavyweight division although Francis Ngannou comes from MMA it was said that Francis Ngannou would take this fight is because of the High pay it promises, but Francis Ngannou has said that he truly loves boxing this is his 1st choice although MMA was there and the 1st he has to grab on it was surely available for him and so this has embarked the Heavyweight UFC Champion Francis Ngannou to fight Tyson Fury, for sure I am also a fan of the MMA but Boxing is my first love and for this, I am really Curious in what will happen in this fight so I will run down what I think about both fighters

Tyson Fury - the Heavyweight boxer Tyson Fury that has the belt for WBA (Super), IBF, WBO, IBO, and the WBC, got 34 fights in boxing 33 wins, and 1 Draw 24 Via Knockouts and 9 via decision, for sure Tyson Fury has solidified himself in the world of boxing and as the fight was on the boxing format this fight is his turf for surely has a high advantage when it comes to boxing so likely when he lost this fight this is the end of his career and his fan based will surely Crumbles along with it, that Draw fight against Deontay Wilder was really unexpected but he eventually got the win on their next fight, for me Tyson Fury will have the volume and speed with the punches and surely it also not lacking in the power department so it could end up in a knockout win for Tyson Fury,

Francis Ngannou - the Heavyweight UFC champion Francis Ngannou is nicknamed The Predator he got a record on UFC 20 matches with 17 wins and 3 losses, 12 knockouts 4 Submissions, and 1 decision, for sure this is the 1st time he would fight with boxing gloves and this is certainly a new experience for him, as it is a different sport, but surely with that kind of body physique because of his grappling he needs body mass for sure because of that Francis Ngannou will be durable for sure he certainly got the power to knock out Tyson Fury for sure and in this fight he can see if he can surely do it I am still in doubt with his speed but certainly that 1 punch power with him, if he lost in this fight clearly he will not lose anything at all as this is not the sports that he likely used on,





I shake my when I read these comparisons on their records and statistics because we know already who will win. It will be Tyson Fury. Very much similar to Conor, Francis Ngannou only wanted to fight in boxing because he can receive a big purse and have enough money to take care of his family. Uncle Dana will not give him this money hehehe.

Also, this will be the body that will put the Predator on a stretcher.


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August 22, 2023, 09:26:25 AM
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Also, this will be the body that will put the Predator on a stretcher.



That is wrong picture of body to "put Predator on a stretcher". That is the photo of Fury before his second fight against Wladimir Klitschko, which was cancelled because of lack of motivation from Fury. Lack of motivation caused him to gain and weighed 150kg. Current Fury is more slim, if that word can be used speaking about him, as he is still fat and huge Cheesy https://www.instagram.com/p/CvaEPGlqN_1/ - this is perhaps his latest shape (posted 2w ago). If he would be as fat as on your picture, he would not move so smooth Cheesy

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August 22, 2023, 11:02:13 AM
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Also, this will be the body that will put the Predator on a stretcher.



That is wrong picture of body to "put Predator on a stretcher". That is the photo of Fury before his second fight against Wladimir Klitschko, which was cancelled because of lack of motivation from Fury. Lack of motivation caused him to gain and weighed 150kg. Current Fury is more slim, if that word can be used speaking about him, as he is still fat and huge Cheesy https://www.instagram.com/p/CvaEPGlqN_1/ - this is perhaps his latest shape (posted 2w ago). If he would be as fat as on your picture, he would not move so smooth Cheesy
Yeah, I do agree that this is an old picture of Tyson Fury and we hasn't seen him like this when he make his comeback to the Heavyweight division and then winning belts and now on the top of the division again.

We could call his recent weight though as out of shape, but he can carry that body, and he is still very agile so we can't question about his shape or what because he could be a freak of nature.

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August 22, 2023, 11:18:37 AM
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We could call his recent weight though as out of shape, but he can carry that body, and he is still very agile so we can't question about his shape or what because he could be a freak of nature.
He looks out of shape, judging by the picture shared, but it doesn't matter as he has already proven that he is the best in the heavyweight division. When he defeated Wilder, he solidified his legacy in the division he currently reigns over. So, even if he does not look as intimidating with that body, I have no doubt he can still be the best once he steps into the ring.

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He looks out of shape, judging by the picture shared, but it doesn't matter as he has already proven that he is the best in the heavyweight division. When he defeated Wilder, he solidified his legacy in the division he currently reigns over. So, even if he does not look as intimidating with that body, I have no doubt he can still be the best once he steps into the ring.

Judging from this picture he is probably confident to easily beat his opponent and he thinks he won't need intense training at all. Well, that's their own perception about this fight but I'm sure Ngannou will not gonna be like that ever since this fight is his revenge for the UFC and to prove to them his worth and skills. I guess this won't be his body shape when he comes to fight Ngannou because it won't be good for him to lose either because he has some clean records anyway unless he doesn't care about it anymore.

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August 22, 2023, 12:50:42 PM
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He looks out of shape, judging by the picture shared, but it doesn't matter as he has already proven that he is the best in the heavyweight division. When he defeated Wilder, he solidified his legacy in the division he currently reigns over. So, even if he does not look as intimidating with that body, I have no doubt he can still be the best once he steps into the ring.

Judging from this picture he is probably confident to easily beat his opponent and he thinks he won't need intense training at all. Well, that's their own perception about this fight but I'm sure Ngannou will not gonna be like that ever since this fight is his revenge for the UFC and to prove to them his worth and skills. I guess this won't be his body shape when he comes to fight Ngannou because it won't be good for him to lose either because he has some clean records anyway unless he doesn't care about it anymore.
We can count on Fury, as he definitely knows what he is doing. He is the champion, and I'm sure he won't come unprepared. Ngannou, the opponent, is a KO artist, so Fury cannot be too complacent, even though this bout will be held in his favorite sport, which is boxing.

Anyway, it's still a bit early; we have 2 months left, and I think that's ample time to prepare and trim down a bit to be physically fit for the fight.
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He looks out of shape, judging by the picture shared, but it doesn't matter as he has already proven that he is the best in the heavyweight division. When he defeated Wilder, he solidified his legacy in the division he currently reigns over. So, even if he does not look as intimidating with that body, I have no doubt he can still be the best once he steps into the ring.

Judging from this picture he is probably confident to easily beat his opponent and he thinks he won't need intense training at all. Well, that's their own perception about this fight but I'm sure Ngannou will not gonna be like that ever since this fight is his revenge for the UFC and to prove to them his worth and skills. I guess this won't be his body shape when he comes to fight Ngannou because it won't be good for him to lose either because he has some clean records anyway unless he doesn't care about it anymore.
We can count on Fury, as he definitely knows what he is doing. He is the champion, and I'm sure he won't come unprepared. Ngannou, the opponent, is a KO artist, so Fury cannot be too complacent, even though this bout will be held in his favorite sport, which is boxing.

Anyway, it's still a bit early; we have 2 months left, and I think that's ample time to prepare and trim down a bit to be physically fit for the fight.

Yes, I don't think that Fury is someone like that who is going to be thinking that this will be an easy job for him because if that's the case then he is already underestimating Ngannou for that just because he comes from a different sport. He definitely know better than that specially when it comes to situations where he will be called out and challenge is undefeated record, it might not be against his belt but his record is certainly not a thing that he should be complacent with because it will be a big embarrassment for him if in any case he will be defeated. You know, there's only two sides of the coin and we never know who will because chances are chances, no matter how slim it is.

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He looks out of shape, judging by the picture shared, but it doesn't matter as he has already proven that he is the best in the heavyweight division. When he defeated Wilder, he solidified his legacy in the division he currently reigns over. So, even if he does not look as intimidating with that body, I have no doubt he can still be the best once he steps into the ring.

Judging from this picture he is probably confident to easily beat his opponent and he thinks he won't need intense training at all. Well, that's their own perception about this fight but I'm sure Ngannou will not gonna be like that ever since this fight is his revenge for the UFC and to prove to them his worth and skills. I guess this won't be his body shape when he comes to fight Ngannou because it won't be good for him to lose either because he has some clean records anyway unless he doesn't care about it anymore.
We can count on Fury, as he definitely knows what he is doing. He is the champion, and I'm sure he won't come unprepared. Ngannou, the opponent, is a KO artist, so Fury cannot be too complacent, even though this bout will be held in his favorite sport, which is boxing.

Anyway, it's still a bit early; we have 2 months left, and I think that's ample time to prepare and trim down a bit to be physically fit for the fight.

Yes, I don't think that Fury is someone like that who is going to be thinking that this will be an easy job for him because if that's the case then he is already underestimating Ngannou for that just because he comes from a different sport. He definitely know better than that specially when it comes to situations where he will be called out and challenge is undefeated record, it might not be against his belt but his record is certainly not a thing that he should be complacent with because it will be a big embarrassment for him if in any case he will be defeated. You know, there's only two sides of the coin and we never know who will because chances are chances, no matter how slim it is.

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I shake my when I read these comparisons on their records and statistics because we know already who will win. It will be Tyson Fury. Very much similar to Conor, Francis Ngannou only wanted to fight in boxing because he can receive a big purse and have enough money to take care of his family. Uncle Dana will not give him this money hehehe.

I am just doing my breakdown on the fighters for sure well, for sure the Boxer will win this because we have all seen it with Jake Paul's fight all UFC fighters were defeated by Jake Paul for sure but I will not be surprised if Francis Ngannou could make an upset over this fight because Ngannou will only be needing 1 punch to make this happen but for sure Tyson Fury will likely have an answer on this but anything can surely happen inside the ring,

Also, this will be the body that will put the Predator on a stretcher.


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Is this not edited? it looks like, man Tyson Fury got a serious bulk, that needs to be trimmed,


If they strongly believe they get lucky with their lucky charm, you can touch their shoulder while playing. Just pretend you are going to the toilet and when you are back touch them. Those who deeply believe those superstitious in gambling know their luck is being countered.

I know this because I have an Asian friend who does believe in all these. I think American Indians also are into this kind of superstition. I couldn't be sure but their belief often comes from mysterious ancients.


In many Asian countries, there are many superstitious beliefs for sure to the extent that they are actually doing, well surely I surely came from a family that likely believed, in superstition and folklore, for example when someone is dead and it is time to bury the dead the likely vehicle the Hearse is used to bring the Coffin to the Cemetery, in the Superstitious beliefs when that Hearse then is going to the Cemetery that certain Hearse can not go backward of make a backward movement when it is carrying the Dead, or Coffin, because there are likely going to be next in the Family of the Bereved,

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Also, this will be the body that will put the Predator on a stretcher.



That is wrong picture of body to "put Predator on a stretcher". That is the photo of Fury before his second fight against Wladimir Klitschko, which was cancelled because of lack of motivation from Fury. Lack of motivation caused him to gain and weighed 150kg. Current Fury is more slim, if that word can be used speaking about him, as he is still fat and huge Cheesy https://www.instagram.com/p/CvaEPGlqN_1/ - this is perhaps his latest shape (posted 2w ago). If he would be as fat as on your picture, he would not move so smooth Cheesy

In this photo, he looks like a sumo wrestler who has lost weight  Grin
Fury, as we know, likes to relax (drinking, cocaine, obviously overeating), will he be able to return to serious boxing after these easy exhibition fights (I'm sure this is not the last show)?
It's one thing to make money easily in the circus, and another thing to return to where there is competition and a lot at stake. Maybe his weak psyche will fail again (if he decides to return at all).

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So much for the Fury vs Ngannou clown show, Mike Tyson vs Fedor Emelianenko might just be among the card this October.  Consider this post as a filler though it's a bit of an off-topic, I just want to insert the info to leave a bad taste. So who you got and how does it play out?

This is Fedor's death wish by the way I guess Tyson wouldn't say no to someone that is dying. Mikie still got it, somehow he showed it in his last with Roy Jones.

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Emelianenko has long wanted to try himself in boxing, and it seems there was talk of a fight with Roy Jones, but he only agreed to a large fee that none of the promotions could organize. As for the fight with Tyson, I have no idea how it can end - Fedor has already lost everything he could, boxing is not his main occupation for him (although he is undoubtedly more experienced in boxing than, for example, Ngannou), but Tyson is much older.

Seem a bit of a fair match though. Mike is older but boxing is his playground while Fedor is younger but he is fighting in a boxing ring. This fight will be a good undercard for Francis vs Fury as it will also make a huge crowd in the arena. The promotion will be glad to welcome them.

Ngannou vs Fury hype had slowed down to which it really going to need help. What they will need is more UFC fighters crossing to make a lot of people interested in the result.


At this point people already know what to expect so there is no reason to be excited about Fury vs. Ngannou. If MMA fighters can't even beat someone on the level of Jake Paul then it's even more unlikely that one of them might beat a top pound for pound boxer. Ngannou is still in his prime in MMA but without any tune up fights that will prepare him for Fury he is just going to get badly embarrassed.

Mike Tyson is nearly 60 years old. Washed up MMA stars looking for a payday should just leave him alone. I doubt Tyson will accept this fight especially if it's on the Fury vs. Ngannou undercard since he is actually helping Ngannou train and will likely be in his corner.

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August 23, 2023, 08:08:11 AM
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We could call his recent weight though as out of shape, but he can carry that body, and he is still very agile so we can't question about his shape or what because he could be a freak of nature.
He looks out of shape, judging by the picture shared, but it doesn't matter as he has already proven that he is the best in the heavyweight division. When he defeated Wilder, he solidified his legacy in the division he currently reigns over. So, even if he does not look as intimidating with that body, I have no doubt he can still be the best once he steps into the ring.
One thing I noticed about that picture is that Fury looks young, so I will remain with what I thought about it, a very old picture of Fury. But as you have said, we all know what happens when he made his comeback, he proved everyone wrong, as he beat Wilder who for me the best HW during that time.

So looks could be deceiving, specially if you look at Fury, tall, fat and chubby, but he packs a power that I think will ko 99% of the fighters right now. But let's see against Francis who touted to be having a more powerful punch than him, it's just a question on whether he can land one big shot.

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August 23, 2023, 09:29:38 AM
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Also, this will be the body that will put the Predator on a stretcher.



That is wrong picture of body to "put Predator on a stretcher". That is the photo of Fury before his second fight against Wladimir Klitschko, which was cancelled because of lack of motivation from Fury. Lack of motivation caused him to gain and weighed 150kg. Current Fury is more slim, if that word can be used speaking about him, as he is still fat and huge Cheesy https://www.instagram.com/p/CvaEPGlqN_1/ - this is perhaps his latest shape (posted 2w ago). If he would be as fat as on your picture, he would not move so smooth Cheesy

In this photo, he looks like a sumo wrestler who has lost weight  Grin
Fury, as we know, likes to relax (drinking, cocaine, obviously overeating), will he be able to return to serious boxing after these easy exhibition fights (I'm sure this is not the last show)?
It's one thing to make money easily in the circus, and another thing to return to where there is competition and a lot at stake. Maybe his weak psyche will fail again (if he decides to return at all).

That was the moment of his life when he had bipolar disorder, did not visit gym for months, took cocaine and drank 8-12 pints of beer daily Cheesy When there is beer, snacks and other unhealthy food is always near. So not a miracle that he has got such a huge lifebuoy around his waist instead of belt Cheesy

The internet has even worse photos of his being not in best shape.


(picture of Fury in 2018)

But I dont care much about how he looks. Most important for me is how he knocks people out Cheesy And with a man of his complexity, it seems impossible to look like Apollon, have 6pack and be slim. He is more like a caveman, so having fat is ok for him Cheesy

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August 23, 2023, 12:54:40 PM
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We could call his recent weight though as out of shape, but he can carry that body, and he is still very agile so we can't question about his shape or what because he could be a freak of nature.
He looks out of shape, judging by the picture shared, but it doesn't matter as he has already proven that he is the best in the heavyweight division. When he defeated Wilder, he solidified his legacy in the division he currently reigns over. So, even if he does not look as intimidating with that body, I have no doubt he can still be the best once he steps into the ring.
One thing I noticed about that picture is that Fury looks young, so I will remain with what I thought about it, a very old picture of Fury. But as you have said, we all know what happens when he made his comeback, he proved everyone wrong, as he beat Wilder who for me the best HW during that time.

So looks could be deceiving, specially if you look at Fury, tall, fat and chubby, but he packs a power that I think will ko 99% of the fighters right now. But let's see against Francis who touted to be having a more powerful punch than him, it's just a question on whether he can land one big shot.

That picture was taken way back 2014 or 2015 which means during that year, Tyson Fury indeed looked like that, a boxer who looks like no passion at boxing at all but that was all a history because he is now a different version of himself and it is still debatable who will give him his first defeat in his career. Some people will say that Francis Ngannou might be the one but there's just one problem though, Ngannou is not a boxer so no matter what angle we try to look at it, Fury still have the upper hand in this fight.

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