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[I_Anime]

The reason why people are still investing in shitcoins instead of Bitcoin is because they feel shitcoins are more fast in growth than Bitcoin and they have may be seen one or two people that has made money from some shitcoins

People are investing in shitcoins just because of the crazy profits in shitcoins, and it doesn’t always go like that, it’s very difficult to get shitcoins that will give a massive profit for now. You might waste money to invest in like 5 shitcoins, and all won’t pump. Instead of wasting money to invest in those shitcoins, it’s just better to buy and hold bitcoin. If you can hold it for long term, you're going to make massive profits from bitcoin.
 
Most people don’t have patience to hold, that’s why they are always going to coins that they believe will give a quick profit, but at the end, they do end up losing their money because they will invest in the wrong coin.

Exactly the reason why most are running to shitcoins because they think they can easily make good profit from it , well even though one can make some huge profit from it by chance, does not mean is the right approach , because just as one can make huge profit from shitcoins that is they can also make alot of losses from it (like huge losses), And the thing is that most folks they can also make massive profit from bitcoin by investing in it , all one just need to do is to accumulate some nice amount of bitcoin stashes. like when i was still dealing in shitcoins, usually endup with losses back then but now am focusing on building my bitcoin stashes i have being in some good profits    

[Sim_card]

Let them think about that since maybe they didn't experience yet a huge defeat on their investment made with those altcoins that's why they criticize you for now. But once they lose all their money with those alts then provably they would remember those people say that investment on altcoins is just a waste money and time for them. If they just invest it on bitcoin and accumulate for many years they could just earn a lot more compare to the losses they get.

Realization comes late and if they are hard headed and criticize you for giving such good word or advise then let them learn a lesson on hard way that he could remember his mistake for all things he do. They are just overwhelmed with the hype brought up with other people short gained result but for sure they would able to realize that altcoin investment is not really sustainable.

It isn't just learning the hard way, it would have been more better to learn from other people mistakes but perhaps it is always advisable for anyone who can not resist the urge of getting involved with other coins other than Bitcoin not to do more than 10 % size of your Bitcoin in to other coins, so as to give your Bitcoin investment all the necessary attention needed as regards to ensuring working towards achieving a successful Bitcoin investment which should be the motivation for every investor with a proper planning. Alot of people are just being skeptical about understanding the Bitcoin as the chief executive coin  of other coins hence procrastinates given Bitcoin the respect that they are ought to.

Brand new investor does not need to think about shitcoins but only bitcoin so that he does not distract himself from his bitcoin target, because bitcoin is only the coin that is worth investing in, since it has the potential to increase your wealth in future as long as you invest in a long term and accumulate a good size of bitcoin overtime.

Most people don’t have patience to hold, that’s why they are always going to coins that they believe will give a quick profit, but at the end, they do end up losing their money because they will invest in the wrong coin.

Every business require strategy, so for investment in Bitcoin, the strategy is long term investment and anyone not willing to following this process is simply gambling with his money. Going to shitcoins because one does not have the patience to hold is a very costly mistake. Bitcoin is enough for anyone who is willing to invest and allow his money grow with time. It is not always about spead because the journey is a marathon and not a sprint.

Any one that cannot be patient in life will miss his chance of becoming successful in future, because everything in life needs patience talk more of investment. There is no short cut to success and that is what bitcoin investment is telling us that one must invest, nurse and build his bitcoin portfolio tiredlessly for a long period of time so that a time will come that he does not have to struggle in building anymore but relax and watch how his bitcoin hodlings is multiplying in profit during the maintenance stage.

Shitcoins are short cut to failure. Self determination, discipline, sacrifice, passion and staying focus on your goal is what will help you to succeed in your bitcoin investment accumulation journey as long as you keep on staking your bitcoin consistently and persistently, you will not regret it. Bitcoin investment is to help you manage for funds and make you not to lavish your money because you know the potential of bitcoin.

[avp2306]

Let them think about that since maybe they didn't experience yet a huge defeat on their investment made with those altcoins that's why they criticize you for now. But once they lose all their money with those alts then provably they would remember those people say that investment on altcoins is just a waste money and time for them. If they just invest it on bitcoin and accumulate for many years they could just earn a lot more compare to the losses they get.

Realization comes late and if they are hard headed and criticize you for giving such good word or advise then let them learn a lesson on hard way that he could remember his mistake for all things he do. They are just overwhelmed with the hype brought up with other people short gained result but for sure they would able to realize that altcoin investment is not really sustainable.

It isn't just learning the hard way, it would have been more better to learn from other people mistakes but perhaps it is always advisable for anyone who can not resist the urge of getting involved with other coins other than Bitcoin not to do more than 10 % size of your Bitcoin in to other coins, so as to give your Bitcoin investment all the necessary attention needed as regards to ensuring working towards achieving a successful Bitcoin investment which should be the motivation for every investor with a proper planning. Alot of people are just being skeptical about understanding the Bitcoin as the chief executive coin  of other coins hence procrastinates given Bitcoin the respect that they are ought to.

Brand new investor does not need to think about shitcoins but only bitcoin so that he does not distract himself from his bitcoin target, because bitcoin is only the coin that is worth investing in, since it has the potential to increase your wealth in future as long as you invest in a long term and accumulate a good size of bitcoin overtime.

They should never make shitcoin as an good investment to choose, but rather avoid this since we know how bad the chance for people to lose on those crypto since rug pull are most likely will happen especially if they are into new tokens which is really so risky for them to take.

Some think about that if they don't take a risk they don't earn, But if they just think about what they do and focus on how they can accumulate then provably that they can get more better insights and will just decide to accumulate more and execute well the DCA method especially if they see that bitcoin chance for its price to rise is so high.

Good choice of investment together with proper execution of strategy will bring something good to them in future.

[Spaceman1000$]

The reason why people are still investing in shitcoins instead of Bitcoin is because they feel shitcoins are more fast in growth than Bitcoin and they have may be seen one or two people that has made money from some shitcoins,

Fuck them and their shitcoins and how they feel about it, for as I know shitcoin doesn't have any potential, all are crab pump and dump that people invest and later regret at last. I wounder why people leave a potential coin like bitcoin and go for shitcoin for the sake of imidiate pump and forget about the dump without rise. Because definately it will rise to leure people in and dump their ass down.

They always go on with the mindset of withdrawal almost immediately when there is a pump and that's it's just the only investment strategy they have. The funny thing is, a lot of them don't even believe in some of the shitcoin project they want to invest in, but Yet they still try to convince themselves about the miracle of impossibility to happen.

Patience they say is a virtue and bitcoin gives you the reward for your patience, most of these shitcoin investors see patients as a waste of time, hence they always fall for the scam in shitcoins in the hope of getting their investment as fast as possible. The sad part is that, people will always refuse to learn.

[Jaycoinz]

Let them think about that since maybe they didn't experience yet a huge defeat on their investment made with those altcoins that's why they criticize you for now. But once they lose all their money with those alts then provably they would remember those people say that investment on altcoins is just a waste money and time for them. If they just invest it on bitcoin and accumulate for many years they could just earn a lot more compare to the losses they get.

Realization comes late and if they are hard headed and criticize you for giving such good word or advise then let them learn a lesson on hard way that he could remember his mistake for all things he do. They are just overwhelmed with the hype brought up with other people short gained result but for sure they would able to realize that altcoin investment is not really sustainable.

It isn't just learning the hard way, it would have been more better to learn from other people mistakes but perhaps it is always advisable for anyone who can not resist the urge of getting involved with other coins other than Bitcoin not to do more than 10 % size of your Bitcoin in to other coins, so as to give your Bitcoin investment all the necessary attention needed as regards to ensuring working towards achieving a successful Bitcoin investment which should be the motivation for every investor with a proper planning. Alot of people are just being skeptical about understanding the Bitcoin as the chief executive coin  of other coins hence procrastinates given Bitcoin the respect that they are ought to.

Brand new investor does not need to think about shitcoins but only bitcoin so that he does not distract himself from his bitcoin target, because bitcoin is only the coin that is worth investing in, since it has the potential to increase your wealth in future as long as you invest in a long term and accumulate a good size of bitcoin overtime.

Most people don’t have patience to hold, that’s why they are always going to coins that they believe will give a quick profit, but at the end, they do end up losing their money because they will invest in the wrong coin.

Every business require strategy, so for investment in Bitcoin, the strategy is long term investment and anyone not willing to following this process is simply gambling with his money. Going to shitcoins because one does not have the patience to hold is a very costly mistake. Bitcoin is enough for anyone who is willing to invest and allow his money grow with time. It is not always about spead because the journey is a marathon and not a sprint.

Any one that cannot be patient in life will miss his chance of becoming successful in future, because everything in life needs patience talk more of investment. There is no short cut to success and that is what bitcoin investment is telling us that one must invest, nurse and build his bitcoin portfolio tiredlessly for a long period of time so that a time will come that he does not have to struggle in building anymore but relax and watch how his bitcoin hodlings is multiplying in profit during the maintenance stage.

Shitcoins are short cut to failure. Self determination, discipline, sacrifice, passion and staying focus on your goal is what will help you to succeed in your bitcoin investment accumulation journey as long as you keep on staking your bitcoin consistently and persistently, you will not regret it. Bitcoin investment is to help you manage for funds and make you not to lavish your money because you know the potential of bitcoin.

Bitcoin indeed teaches patience and that's something that most people in the world today fail to have and that's why so many people actually crave and look for ways to get their investment giving them profits thought short term trade which is almost same thing as gambling with your coins, most investor that take this part are known as short sighted investors because they are only viewing the short profit they would possibly get at the period of them holding the coin.

[Reincarnated Sat]

The reason why people are still investing in shitcoins instead of Bitcoin is because they feel shitcoins are more fast in growth than Bitcoin and they have may be seen one or two people that has made money from some shitcoins,

Fuck them and their shitcoins and how they feel about it, for as I know shitcoin doesn't have any potential, all are crab pump and dump that people invest and later regret at last. I wounder why people leave a potential coin like bitcoin and go for shitcoin for the sake of imidiate pump and forget about the dump without rise. Because definately it will rise to leure people in and dump their ass down.

They always go on with the mindset of withdrawal almost immediately when there is a pump and that's it's just the only investment strategy they have. The funny thing is, a lot of them don't even believe in some of the shitcoin project they want to invest in, but Yet they still try to convince themselves about the miracle of impossibility to happen.

Yes they don't believe in it at all for them is like gambling they just predict and expect to win, those that has invested on shitcoins are always scared they don't have peace of mind because they know they can lose there money at anytime, and that is one reason Bitcoin is the best it gives you this peace of mind, since I started Bitcoin investment I don't have fear of losing my money and that alone is my happiness.
Shitcoins has killed people investing in them through shock when they hear the news of it fall, any investment that will not guarantee the safety of your money should be avoided except you are a gambler.

[Sim_card]

Yes you are right, people investing in shitcoins have there reasons why they choose to invest on it, one of the reasons I have mentioned, now about the growth believe is true they believe Bitcoin is slow in growth and some also believe Bitcoin will not grow more than this.
Now the reason they believe feel or reason this way is because they really do not understand what Bitcoin is, they don't have the knowledge about Bitcoin they feel is just like other cryptocurrency, some people even feel those shitcoins they are investing into will one day grow in price more than Bitcoin.
But I will advise before going into shitcoins please ask people that has gone into it and stopped they will be the ones to tell you the real truth about it, ask like 6 people and from there you can make your decision or no that truly shitcoins should be avoided totally.

Well not all altcoins are shitcoins. Some of them has the potential to grow and people are still making profits by investing in them. So I will not say that altcoins are bad. Only the professionals who have deep knowledge about the market and its movement can make profit out of altcoins. Believe me or not, altcoins are all about trends and hype. Once it fades away, it is gone.

As long as it is not bitcoin, it is shitcoin because they are same with gambling and they are not classified as an investment because if you hold them for long, you will be a failure for doing that. This is how those shitcoins dev decieves people that their shitcoin will gradually grow like bitcoin and have a high value just to make you invest in them and in not time you will be rug pulled. You are new to this forum and I will not blame you for what you said above because you are those set of people who think shitcoins can give you quick profit.

As long as it is a centralized coins, it can be manipulated because a back door can be made anytime. Bitcoin is for the future because it will last and that is why it is the best to invest in because it has great potentials to give you profit in the long run and it will save your funds from depreciation because bitcoin is a store of value. A lot of shitcoins have crashed and it is useless to buy them.

You don't need to be a professional to invest or bitcoin or have deep knowledge of the market before you can invest in bitcoin as a newbie, all you need to do is to figure out the right amount that you can use to buy bitcoin consistently and persistently and continuously for you to get started as long as you will hodli for a long time.

[topbitcoin]

The reason why people are still investing in shitcoins instead of Bitcoin is because they feel shitcoins are more fast in growth than Bitcoin and they have may be seen one or two people that has made money from some shitcoins,

Fuck them and their shitcoins and how they feel about it, for as I know shitcoin doesn't have any potential, all are crab pump and dump that people invest and later regret at last. I wounder why people leave a potential coin like bitcoin and go for shitcoin for the sake of imidiate pump and forget about the dump without rise. Because definately it will rise to leure people in and dump their ass down.

They always go on with the mindset of withdrawal almost immediately when there is a pump and that's it's just the only investment strategy they have. The funny thing is, a lot of them don't even believe in some of the shitcoin project they want to invest in, but Yet they still try to convince themselves about the miracle of impossibility to happen.

Patience they say is a virtue and bitcoin gives you the reward for your patience, most of these shitcoin investors see patients as a waste of time, hence they always fall for the scam in shitcoins in the hope of getting their investment as fast as possible. The sad part is that, people will always refuse to learn.

It is interesting that when Altcoin or Shitcoin that you are referring to is indeed made as an alternative profit that can be obtained because the movement is much more volatile, and in some they want to maximize it for their profits which are much higher and faster.

I don't deny it because I have also done it for profit, maybe you will judge me stupid or whatever about me doing that, but if as far as we get a profit then the results of trading from shitcoin make a big profit and then saved in a safer coin, namely bitcoin, is it wrong, or can't be right? While we don't have any other job that can make more money to save in bitcoin, yes why not use it to get more money to save in bitcoin.

There is always polarization in every industry, and I think if the goal is to add or buy more bitcoins from shitcoin trading, it doesn't matter, as long as we understand the risks and are able to take responsibility for it, Bitcoin will only be the last storage and secure our money for a better future.

[Reincarnated Sat]

The reason why people are still investing in shitcoins instead of Bitcoin is because they feel shitcoins are more fast in growth than Bitcoin and they have may be seen one or two people that has made money from some shitcoins,

Fuck them and their shitcoins and how they feel about it, for as I know shitcoin doesn't have any potential, all are crab pump and dump that people invest and later regret at last. I wounder why people leave a potential coin like bitcoin and go for shitcoin for the sake of imidiate pump and forget about the dump without rise. Because definately it will rise to leure people in and dump their ass down.

They always go on with the mindset of withdrawal almost immediately when there is a pump and that's it's just the only investment strategy they have. The funny thing is, a lot of them don't even believe in some of the shitcoin project they want to invest in, but Yet they still try to convince themselves about the miracle of impossibility to happen.

Patience they say is a virtue and bitcoin gives you the reward for your patience, most of these shitcoin investors see patients as a waste of time, hence they always fall for the scam in shitcoins in the hope of getting their investment as fast as possible. The sad part is that, people will always refuse to learn.

It is interesting that when Altcoin or Shitcoin that you are referring to is indeed made as an alternative profit that can be obtained because the movement is much more volatile, and in some they want to maximize it for their profits which are much higher and faster.

I don't deny it because I have also done it for profit, maybe you will judge me stupid or whatever about me doing that, but if as far as we get a profit then the results of trading from shitcoin make a big profit and then saved in a safer coin, namely bitcoin, is it wrong, or can't be right? While we don't have any other job that can make more money to save in bitcoin, yes why not use it to get more money to save in bitcoin.

There is always polarization in every industry, and I think if the goal is to add or buy more bitcoins from shitcoin trading, it doesn't matter, as long as we understand the risks and are able to take responsibility for it, Bitcoin will only be the last storage and secure our money for a better future.

I'm not against people investing on shitcoins I'm against people preaching it to newbies, if one knows the risk in it and decided to venture into it then is the person's cup of tea not mine, but why venturing into such risk knowing fully well there high risk of lose.
And trading shitcoins to invest in Bitcoin is a very bad approach, what if you lose your money instead of trading shitcoins to invest in Bitcoin is better you use DCA strategy and accumulate little by little no need to rush, if you think you can trade shitcoins and use the profit to invest in Bitcoin and become successful in Bitcoin investment then you lie because of you are lucky to get profit from one shitcoin you won't be that lucky next time.

Shitcoins are Coins with very low volume, volume numbers are usually fake, No development, Listed on temble exchangers, Supply not distributed in a fair manner. Shitcoins should be avoided especially by newbies who wants to be successful in the crypto world.

[Mr.right85]

They always go on with the mindset of withdrawal almost immediately when there is a pump and that's it's just the only investment strategy they have.

This is a strategy that is adopted by mainly the elite of Bitcoin investment who truly understands or have a high insight towards the market and those who are just new in the crypto industry, always on the lookout to whatever X they could find on their investment to sell out. For these set of persons, it’s just an investment and nothing more, they aren’t interested in the technology and could just get out whenever they fine it ripe enough.

The question often remains,
Is that all that is for Bitcoin?

I refuse to see Bitcoin for an innovation where you just invest by buying a couple of it, wait for the pump and off you go with the ROI.
I agree there is room for enjoyment of profit but, not at the expense of emptying your portfolio. There is more to Bitcoin than just everyday pump and dump.

[JayJuanGee]

Yes you are right, people investing in shitcoins have there reasons why they choose to invest on it, one of the reasons I have mentioned, now about the growth believe is true they believe Bitcoin is slow in growth and some also believe Bitcoin will not grow more than this.
Now the reason they believe feel or reason this way is because they really do not understand what Bitcoin is, they don't have the knowledge about Bitcoin they feel is just like other cryptocurrency, some people even feel those shitcoins they are investing into will one day grow in price more than Bitcoin.
But I will advise before going into shitcoins please ask people that has gone into it and stopped they will be the ones to tell you the real truth about it, ask like 6 people and from there you can make your decision or no that truly shitcoins should be avoided totally.

Well not all altcoins are shitcoins. Some of them has the potential to grow and people are still making profits by investing in them. So I will not say that altcoins are bad. Only the professionals who have deep knowledge about the market and its movement can make profit out of altcoins. Believe me or not, altcoins are all about trends and hype. Once it fades away, it is gone.

As long as it is not bitcoin, it is shitcoin because they are same with gambling and they are not classified as an investment because if you hold them for long, you will be a failure for doing that. This is how those shitcoins dev decieves people that their shitcoin will gradually grow like bitcoin and have a high value just to make you invest in them and in not time you will be rug pulled. You are new to this forum and I will not blame you for what you said above because you are those set of people who think shitcoins can give you quick profit.

As long as it is a centralized coins, it can be manipulated because a back door can be made anytime. Bitcoin is for the future because it will last and that is why it is the best to invest in because it has great potentials to give you profit in the long run and it will save your funds from depreciation because bitcoin is a store of value. A lot of shitcoins have crashed and it is useless to buy them.

You don't need to be a professional to invest or bitcoin or have deep knowledge of the market before you can invest in bitcoin as a newbie, all you need to do is to figure out the right amount that you can use to buy bitcoin consistently and persistently and continuously for you to get started as long as you will hodli for a long time.

Have you considered coins like ethereum, Bitcoin is the best but we can't dispute the fact that ethereum coin are also good and has been for years, let be honest here if given ethereum to hold would you have fear in you.

Fuck off with your attempts to squeeze shitcoin discussions into a bitcoin thread, and in your first post you were ambiguous and vague, while at the same time proclaiming that you were not trying to persuade anyone about whether or not to buy any shitcoins, while at the same time trying to proclaim both that 1) some altcoins are not shitcoins and 2) some shitcoins are less shitty than others, with your attempt to slide that scammy smokescreen project of ethereum as if it were some kind of a better shitcoin because of its supposed market cap that is also built upon a scam in which we cannot even verify the supply, so how are you going to know its actual market cap if you cannot even verify its supply.

I understand your point since those coins are centralized there's every opportunity for it to be tempered with and there by leading to it fall and that is why Bitcoin is the best crypto currency in the world to invest with.

Good you admit that bitcoin is the best, so why not leave it at that, instead of trying to pump sum nonsense and get some folks to agree with you about that piece of crap known as ethereum?

However we can't say any coin that is created and made decentralized is a good option or can we, so I think there's more to a coin being a good option for investment and for me long good credit history is one.

So you want to leverage ethereum becuase it has been around for a while?  You are still in a bitcoin thread, so sure you are free to do what you like, but you are still trying to come into a bitcoin thread and pump a shitcoin while supposedly proclaiming that you were not intending to do that.  So take your lack of focus shitcoin peddling to some other thread.. there are threads and sections for that, but no, instead you want to lure some bitcoiners into your belief that ethereum isn't so bad.. and it is almost as good as bitcoin.. and it is better than other shitcoins..  and there is a shitcoin ranking system and  blah blah blah baloney.

The reason why people are still investing in shitcoins instead of Bitcoin is because they feel shitcoins are more fast in growth than Bitcoin and they have may be seen one or two people that has made money from some shitcoins,

Fuck them and their shitcoins and how they feel about it, for as I know shitcoin doesn't have any potential, all are crab pump and dump that people invest and later regret at last. I wounder why people leave a potential coin like bitcoin and go for shitcoin for the sake of imidiate pump and forget about the dump without rise. Because definately it will rise to leure people in and dump their ass down.

They always go on with the mindset of withdrawal almost immediately when there is a pump and that's it's just the only investment strategy they have. The funny thing is, a lot of them don't even believe in some of the shitcoin project they want to invest in, but Yet they still try to convince themselves about the miracle of impossibility to happen.

Patience they say is a virtue and bitcoin gives you the reward for your patience, most of these shitcoin investors see patients as a waste of time, hence they always fall for the scam in shitcoins in the hope of getting their investment as fast as possible. The sad part is that, people will always refuse to learn.

It is interesting that when Altcoin or Shitcoin that you are referring to is indeed made as an alternative profit that can be obtained because the movement is much more volatile, and in some they want to maximize it for their profits which are much higher and faster.

I don't deny it because I have also done it for profit, maybe you will judge me stupid or whatever about me doing that, but if as far as we get a profit then the results of trading from shitcoin make a big profit and then saved in a safer coin, namely bitcoin, is it wrong, or can't be right?

It most likely is wrong, but who fucking cares?  It is off topic, and you are trying to suggest that some shitcoins are less shitty than others based on your ability to either trade with them or gamble with them in order to make more bitcoin.  Whether it is true or not about your ability to trade or gamble with shitcoins to make more bitcoin, it is off topic, because this is a bitcoin thread, and neither a shitcoin thread or a which shitcoin is less shitty thread or a what if I fuck around with shitcoins to make more bitcoin thread.

While we don't have any other job that can make more money to save in bitcoin, yes why not use it to get more money to save in bitcoin.

Sure, maybe you are getting closer to talking about bitcoin, but it still seems like a slippery slope in terms of leading us more and more off topic to be trying to suggest that there might be some shitcoins that are less shitty that can help you earn more bitcoin, and in that regard, you are going to want to mention your various systems to figure out which shitcoin is less shitty and where is that going to lead us?  Talking about 10s of thousands of various shitcoins rather than sticking to the topic of this thread, namely bitcoin.

There is always polarization in every industry, and I think if the goal is to add or buy more bitcoins from shitcoin trading, it doesn't matter, as long as we understand the risks and are able to take responsibility for it, Bitcoin will only be the last storage and secure our money for a better future.

 

It is good that you recognize bitcoin as the best of monies or the best place to store value out of various crypto.. but still where are you proposing to take this thread, and you believe that you end up being somewhat on topic since the thread seems to be questioning when to buy or sell bitcoin?.. but then at the same time, you are wanting to suggest putting that value into shitcoins rather than the more obvious topic of the thread which would be dollars or some fiat. and yeah, some folks might argue that dollars and/or various fiats are no better than shitcoins, but it still seems to be another topic to bring various shitcoins in to the mix of the discussion of this thread.

[Kliss]

Well not all altcoins are shitcoins. Some of them has the potential to grow and people are still making profits by investing in them. So I will not say that altcoins are bad. Only the professionals who have deep knowledge about the market and its movement can make profit out of altcoins. Believe me or not, altcoins are all about trends and hype. Once it fades away, it is gone.

it would have been better, if Bitcoin is not classified in same category of cryptocurrencies with these Altcoins and shitcoins. Bitcoin is an Assets of its kind. They are just trying to coattail bitcoin without any real substance.

Shitcoins is shitcoins the only difference amongst them is that one can be more fucked up than another. Altcoins and shitcoins are bad choice of investment,  don't be persuaded especially newbies  with their juicy and unrealistic promises they offer ( quick profits). No need to look towards Altcoins and shitcoins because They lack solid fundamentals.

Sticking to bitcoin that is established and compete with other Assets is the real deal and good choice to invest in digital currency. Investing in  Bitcoin is the right suggestion we encourage individuals to partake because it has proven to be worthy on investing. Individuals have made good profit and created wealth for themselves because of bitcoin potentials and resilience.

[Tmoonz]

Well not all altcoins are shitcoins. Some of them has the potential to grow and people are still making profits by investing in them. So I will not say that altcoins are bad. Only the professionals who have deep knowledge about the market and its movement can make profit out of altcoins. Believe me or not, altcoins are all about trends and hype. Once it fades away, it is gone.

it would have been better, if Bitcoin is not classified in same category of cryptocurrencies with these Altcoins and shitcoins. Bitcoin is an Assets of its kind. They are just trying to coattail bitcoin without any real substance.

Shitcoins is shitcoins the only difference amongst them is that one can be more fucked up than another. Altcoins and shitcoins are bad choice of investment,  don't be persuaded especially newbies  with their juicy and unrealistic promises they offer ( quick profits). No need to look towards Altcoins and shitcoins because They lack solid fundamentals.

Sticking to bitcoin that is established and compete with other Assets is the real deal and good choice to invest in digital currency. Investing in  Bitcoin is the right suggestion we encourage individuals to partake because it has proven to be worthy on investing. Individuals have made good profit and created wealth for themselves because of bitcoin potentials and resilience.

I'm not saying Bitcoin investment is not the best investment in the crypto world I'm just saying there are other good coins and some coins has been for a long time now, However since this thread is about Bitcoin investment it will be better will talk only Bitcoin investment.
Shitcoins are not good if anyone knows about the risk and still invest is fine he may lose or gain and in Investment is either you lose or win.

Are you in any way suggesting that some coins are more shity than the others? Do you all the time looking for the one that is less shitty than the others, it will do you better to consider all of them to be the same rather than giving credit to any of them, you don't have to be in a hurry to know that there performance solely depends on Bitcoin and you should know what means. Shitcoins are shitcoins.

[Hewlet]

Well not all altcoins are shitcoins. Some of them has the potential to grow and people are still making profits by investing in them. So I will not say that altcoins are bad. Only the professionals who have deep knowledge about the market and its movement can make profit out of altcoins. Believe me or not, altcoins are all about trends and hype. Once it fades away, it is gone.

it would have been better, if Bitcoin is not classified in same category of cryptocurrencies with these Altcoins and shitcoins. Bitcoin is an Assets of its kind. They are just trying to coattail bitcoin without any real substance.

Shitcoins is shitcoins the only difference amongst them is that one can be more fucked up than another. Altcoins and shitcoins are bad choice of investment,  don't be persuaded especially newbies  with their juicy and unrealistic promises they offer ( quick profits). No need to look towards Altcoins and shitcoins because They lack solid fundamentals.

Sticking to bitcoin that is established and compete with other Assets is the real deal and good choice to invest in digital currency. Investing in  Bitcoin is the right suggestion we encourage individuals to partake because it has proven to be worthy on investing. Individuals have made good profit and created wealth for themselves because of bitcoin potentials and resilience.

I'm not saying Bitcoin investment is not the best investment in the crypto world I'm just saying there are other good coins and some coins has been for a long time now, However since this thread is about Bitcoin investment it will be better will talk only Bitcoin investment.
Shitcoins are not good if anyone knows about the risk and still invest is fine he may lose or gain and in Investment is either you lose or win.

what then is the essence of considering an alternative investment option when you're aware of the option that's  the best?

@Kliss has rightly reminded you that classifying Bitcoin as one of the shitcoin or an alternative to those shitcoin and valuing them as an investment option is a total misplaced priority and you're still emphasizing it. No one stops anybody from choosing to do with his funds whatever he so pleases and if you decide that what's going to yield you profit is gambling with your investment, you can go along with it and maybe come back later to share how the journey went and I'm never suggesting or wishing you bad investment luck but what you will continue to know is that most alternative digital investment option outside of Bitcoin involves gambling with your investment and like the regular gambling, you could be successful at it or not and in some rear cases, 1 out of 1000 persons can win some jackpots or investment in some profit that at the starts gives you a good ROI but that's never to suggest that the way to create a good generational wealth from the digital investment sector is through trying out some coins you're not sure of. For Bitcoin, we've seen it grow and we know it uniqueness, whatever you're still considering as an alternative to Bitcoin is still relying on Bitcoin so why go for the fake when you have the original at your disposal?

How do we even go about the analysis? When we talk about what has stayed longer on the digital space, Bitcoin is what comes to mind, when we're talking about best digital investment option, Bitcoin still takes the lead and if we even talk about a digital asset that's the least risky, what comes again to your mind? It's still 100% Bitcoin.

[letteredhub]

Well not all altcoins are shitcoins. Some of them has the potential to grow and people are still making profits by investing in them. So I will not say that altcoins are bad. Only the professionals who have deep knowledge about the market and its movement can make profit out of altcoins. Believe me or not, altcoins are all about trends and hype. Once it fades away, it is gone.

it would have been better, if Bitcoin is not classified in same category of cryptocurrencies with these Altcoins and shitcoins. Bitcoin is an Assets of its kind. They are just trying to coattail bitcoin without any real substance.

Shitcoins is shitcoins the only difference amongst them is that one can be more fucked up than another. Altcoins and shitcoins are bad choice of investment,  don't be persuaded especially newbies  with their juicy and unrealistic promises they offer ( quick profits). No need to look towards Altcoins and shitcoins because They lack solid fundamentals.

Sticking to bitcoin that is established and compete with other Assets is the real deal and good choice to invest in digital currency. Investing in  Bitcoin is the right suggestion we encourage individuals to partake because it has proven to be worthy on investing. Individuals have made good profit and created wealth for themselves because of bitcoin potentials and resilience.

I'm not saying Bitcoin investment is not the best investment in the crypto world I'm just saying there are other good coins and some coins has been for a long time now, However since this thread is about Bitcoin investment it will be better will talk only Bitcoin investment.
Shitcoins are not good if anyone knows about the risk and still invest is fine he may lose or gain and in Investment is either you lose or win.

what then is the essence of considering an alternative investment option when you're aware of the option that's  the best?

The only best way to alternate our investment is investing in other projects outside cryptocurrency, such as real estate, but in as much as an investor is considering investing in alternative cryptocurrency then in my opinion he's no more investing but gambling with his money on shitcoins. The POW of bitcoin makes it exceptional as the best crypto to hold for long and be sure of profit as you accumulate as your pocket can stash. Seeing a risk that has 99% of failing and still going into it shouldn't be  articulated to be an investment but stupidity - what's the right term again: gambling!

[wxa7115]

One  major thing most investors has  fail to understand is that, greed is never a good thing,  especially in this crypto industry,  almost all  veterans investors knows that when it comes to digital currencies, Bitcoin is second to none, but due to greedy of making 10x to 100x, they will still go ahead and invest in shit coin without taking into consideration the risk attached to it, they gambles with their hard earned money, even when they know how risky it is, some of them don't even know that investing in shit coin or alt are just like gambling, which the possibilities of them losing their hard earned money, is far greater than the possibilities of them making something out of it.

Secondly, most newbies investors that falls for this, are mostly misinformed, they were mostly told the juicy part of it, which is the 10x to 100x, but they weren't told how risky it is to invest in shit coin, until that greedy aspect of most investors are corrected, I Believe that the only way they can learn is on their own terms, which is learning it the hard way, when they have lost all their funds.

I want to go a little deeper when it comes to this and let us use some actual numbers to illustrate more clearly the mistake that it is to invest in those shitcoins, and while it is impossible to calculate in a completely accurate way the expected value of putting money on a shitcoin, let us do it for illustrative purposes.

So, what are the chances that a shitcoin does a 10x while you are holding it and you keep it for long enough to enjoy those benefits? Difficult to know but probably around 1%, and with that number we can make a rough estimation of how much money in terms of percentage you can lose on average when buying a shitcoin.

Getting 10x: 1000% * 0.01 = 10%
Getting small profit: 20% * 0.2  = 4%
Breaking even: 0% * 0.2 = 0%
Small loss: -20% * 0.39 = -7.8%
Catastrophic loss: -100% * 0.2 = -20%

And when we add all of those results we get -13.8%, this number represents the expected value of deciding to put your money into a shitcoin, and while the numbers are arbitrary, they do reflect the reality, as it is often necessary for those interested in shitcoins to get burned several times before losing most or all of their capital, so basically anyone taking their chances with those coins should expect on average a loss close to that percentage of any money put into a shitcoin.

So I hope this illustrates how bad it is to try shitcoins, and anyone considering to use their savings to invest, sticks with bitcoin and nothing else when it comes to this market.

[Odohu]

One  major thing most investors has  fail to understand is that, greed is never a good thing,  especially in this crypto industry,  almost all  veterans investors knows that when it comes to digital currencies, Bitcoin is second to none, but due to greedy of making 10x to 100x, they will still go ahead and invest in shit coin without taking into consideration the risk attached to it, they gambles with their hard earned money, even when they know how risky it is, some of them don't even know that investing in shit coin or alt are just like gambling, which the possibilities of them losing their hard earned money, is far greater than the possibilities of them making something out of it.

Secondly, most newbies investors that falls for this, are mostly misinformed, they were mostly told the juicy part of it, which is the 10x to 100x, but they weren't told how risky it is to invest in shit coin, until that greedy aspect of most investors are corrected, I Believe that the only way they can learn is on their own terms, which is learning it the hard way, when they have lost all their funds.

I want to go a little deeper when it comes to this and let us use some actual numbers to illustrate more clearly the mistake that it is to invest in those shitcoins, and while it is impossible to calculate in a completely accurate way the expected value of putting money on a shitcoin, let us do it for illustrative purposes.

So, what are the chances that a shitcoin does a 10x while you are holding it and you keep it for long enough to enjoy those benefits? Difficult to know but probably around 1%, and with that number we can make a rough estimation of how much money in terms of percentage you can lose on average when buying a shitcoin.

Getting 10x: 1000% * 0.01 = 10%
Getting small profit: 20% * 0.2  = 4%
Breaking even: 0% * 0.2 = 0%
Small loss: -20% * 0.39 = -7.8%
Catastrophic loss: -100% * 0.2 = -20%

And when we add all of those results we get -13.8%, this number represents the expected value of deciding to put your money into a shitcoin, and while the numbers are arbitrary, they do reflect the reality, as it is often necessary for those interested in shitcoins to get burned several times before losing most or all of their capital, so basically anyone taking their chances with those coins should expect on average a loss close to that percentage of any money put into a shitcoin.

So I hope this illustrates how bad it is to try shitcoins, and anyone considering to use their savings to invest, sticks with bitcoin and nothing else when it comes to this market.

I don't actually agree with your -13.8% because the risk is far higher than that. Perhaps you have not invested in a shitcoin that died and became totally worthless, else you will known that the percentage is far higher than what you posted. I have lost my total invested capital in shitcoins on several occasions, when I was committed to spreading my money across several shitcoins hoping that one of them that pumped hard will return my capital with enough profits. Those are the days of ignorance I am working very hard to forget.

Investment in shitcoin is best described as taking unnecessary risk because those who engage in it end up in pain most of the times. It is even shitcoins that bring bad name to Bitcoin.

[Ambatman]

I'm not saying Bitcoin investment is not the best investment in the crypto world I'm just saying there are other good coins and some coins has been for a long time now,

I understand what you saying but the thing is they are considered good for now
What about in 10 years time?
How many of this said good coin would survive till then
Bitconnect,FTT among others are proof of that.

Altcoin is like a fancy word to saying counterfeit coins.

Getting 10x: 1000% * 0.01 = 10%
Getting small profit: 20% * 0.2  = 4%
Breaking even: 0% * 0.2 = 0%
Small loss: -20% * 0.39 = -7.8%
Catastrophic loss: -100% * 0.2 = -20%

And when we add all of those results we get -13.8%, this number represents the expected value of deciding to put your money into a shitcoin, and while the numbers are arbitrary, they do reflect the reality, as it is often necessary for those interested in shitcoins to get burned several times before losing most or all of their capital, so basically anyone taking their chances with those coins should expect on average a loss close to that percentage of any money put into a shitcoin.

So I hope this illustrates how bad it is to try shitcoins, and anyone considering to use their savings to invest, sticks with bitcoin and nothing else when it comes to this market.

I don't know how you calculated it but the probability of getting times 10 or more should have the lowest odds
And going dead or catastrophic loss should have way higher odds more than 0.5 if am not been bias
A risk of 13.8% is quite low for shitcoins.
Even Ethereum the face of all shitcoins have a higher risk than that.
And risk isn't calculated as such.

[Reincarnated Sat]

Yes you are right, people investing in shitcoins have there reasons why they choose to invest on it, one of the reasons I have mentioned, now about the growth believe is true they believe Bitcoin is slow in growth and some also believe Bitcoin will not grow more than this.
Now the reason they believe feel or reason this way is because they really do not understand what Bitcoin is, they don't have the knowledge about Bitcoin they feel is just like other cryptocurrency, some people even feel those shitcoins they are investing into will one day grow in price more than Bitcoin.
But I will advise before going into shitcoins please ask people that has gone into it and stopped they will be the ones to tell you the real truth about it, ask like 6 people and from there you can make your decision or no that truly shitcoins should be avoided totally.

Well not all altcoins are shitcoins. Some of them has the potential to grow and people are still making profits by investing in them. So I will not say that altcoins are bad. Only the professionals who have deep knowledge about the market and its movement can make profit out of altcoins. Believe me or not, altcoins are all about trends and hype. Once it fades away, it is gone.

As long as it is not bitcoin, it is shitcoin because they are same with gambling and they are not classified as an investment because if you hold them for long, you will be a failure for doing that. This is how those shitcoins dev decieves people that their shitcoin will gradually grow like bitcoin and have a high value just to make you invest in them and in not time you will be rug pulled. You are new to this forum and I will not blame you for what you said above because you are those set of people who think shitcoins can give you quick profit.

As long as it is a centralized coins, it can be manipulated because a back door can be made anytime. Bitcoin is for the future because it will last and that is why it is the best to invest in because it has great potentials to give you profit in the long run and it will save your funds from depreciation because bitcoin is a store of value. A lot of shitcoins have crashed and it is useless to buy them.

You don't need to be a professional to invest or bitcoin or have deep knowledge of the market before you can invest in bitcoin as a newbie, all you need to do is to figure out the right amount that you can use to buy bitcoin consistently and persistently and continuously for you to get started as long as you will hodli for a long time.

Have you considered coins like ethereum, Bitcoin is the best but we can't dispute the fact that ethereum coin are also good and has been for years, let be honest here if given ethereum to hold would you have fear in you.

Fuck off with your attempts to squeeze shitcoin discussions into a bitcoin thread, and in your first post you were ambiguous and vague, while at the same time proclaiming that you were not trying to persuade anyone about whether or not to buy any shitcoins, while at the same time trying to proclaim both that 1) some altcoins are not shitcoins and 2) some shitcoins are less shitty than others, with your attempt to slide that scammy smokescreen project of ethereum as if it were some kind of a better shitcoin because of its supposed market cap that is also built upon a scam in which we cannot even verify the supply, so how are you going to know its actual market cap if you cannot even verify its supply.

Shitcoins are shitcoins, a lot of people try to separate them and try to give some shitcoins more meaning, and long stay of shitcoins those not make it good or worthy of investment, a lot of shitcoins that has destroyed a lot of people are still in existence till today and that long stay is one thing people are using to convince newbies on investing on them.

I understand your point since those coins are centralized there's every opportunity for it to be tempered with and there by leading to it fall and that is why Bitcoin is the best crypto currency in the world to invest with.

Good you admit that bitcoin is the best, so why not leave it at that, instead of trying to pump sum nonsense and get some folks to agree with you about that piece of crap known as ethereum?

I think the only good we should do for newbies in this thread is letting them know that Bitcoin is the best investment and other coins are shitcoins, and please no one should try to lead people into investment on shitcoins there's a lot of people that has lost there money investing on shitcoins.

However we can't say any coin that is created and made decentralized is a good option or can we, so I think there's more to a coin being a good option for investment and for me long good credit history is one.

So you want to leverage ethereum becuase it has been around for a while?  You are still in a bitcoin thread, so sure you are free to do what you like, but you are still trying to come into a bitcoin thread and pump a shitcoin while supposedly proclaiming that you were not intending to do that.  So take your lack of focus shitcoin peddling to some other thread.. there are threads and sections for that, but no, instead you want to lure some bitcoiners into your belief that ethereum isn't so bad.. and it is almost as good as bitcoin.. and it is better than other shitcoins..  and there is a shitcoin ranking system and  blah blah blah baloney.

We have a lot of shitcoins that has been in existence for years and still people lost there money on it, Ethereum is still a shitcoin and will remain a shitcoin as far as bitcoin is still in existence.
Ethereum depends on Bitcoin for it's survivor and anything can happen to Ethereum leading to it's fall, there's no security for it's survivor and I can't invest in something I know has no strong root.

The reason why people are still investing in shitcoins instead of Bitcoin is because they feel shitcoins are more fast in growth than Bitcoin and they have may be seen one or two people that has made money from some shitcoins,

Fuck them and their shitcoins and how they feel about it, for as I know shitcoin doesn't have any potential, all are crab pump and dump that people invest and later regret at last. I wounder why people leave a potential coin like bitcoin and go for shitcoin for the sake of imidiate pump and forget about the dump without rise. Because definately it will rise to leure people in and dump their ass down.

They always go on with the mindset of withdrawal almost immediately when there is a pump and that's it's just the only investment strategy they have. The funny thing is, a lot of them don't even believe in some of the shitcoin project they want to invest in, but Yet they still try to convince themselves about the miracle of impossibility to happen.

Patience they say is a virtue and bitcoin gives you the reward for your patience, most of these shitcoin investors see patients as a waste of time, hence they always fall for the scam in shitcoins in the hope of getting their investment as fast as possible. The sad part is that, people will always refuse to learn.

It is interesting that when Altcoin or Shitcoin that you are referring to is indeed made as an alternative profit that can be obtained because the movement is much more volatile, and in some they want to maximize it for their profits which are much higher and faster.

I don't deny it because I have also done it for profit, maybe you will judge me stupid or whatever about me doing that, but if as far as we get a profit then the results of trading from shitcoin make a big profit and then saved in a safer coin, namely bitcoin, is it wrong, or can't be right?

It most likely is wrong, but who fucking cares?  It is off topic, and you are trying to suggest that some shitcoins are less shitty than others based on your ability to either trade with them or gamble with them in order to make more bitcoin.  Whether it is true or not about your ability to trade or gamble with shitcoins to make more bitcoin, it is off topic, because this is a bitcoin thread, and neither a shitcoin thread or a which shitcoin is less shitty thread or a what if I fuck around with shitcoins to make more bitcoin thread.

Shitcoins should not be mention in this thread anymore, I know someone that convinced a lot of people that lost there money through investing on shitcoins so it's should not be mention in this thread I thread is for Bitcoin investors.

While we don't have any other job that can make more money to save in bitcoin, yes why not use it to get more money to save in bitcoin.

Sure, maybe you are getting closer to talking about bitcoin, but it still seems like a slippery slope in terms of leading us more and more off topic to be trying to suggest that there might be some shitcoins that are less shitty that can help you earn more bitcoin, and in that regard, you are going to want to mention your various systems to figure out which shitcoin is less shitty and where is that going to lead us?  Talking about 10s of thousands of various shitcoins rather than sticking to the topic of this thread, namely bitcoin.

There is always polarization in every industry, and I think if the goal is to add or buy more bitcoins from shitcoin trading, it doesn't matter, as long as we understand the risks and are able to take responsibility for it, Bitcoin will only be the last storage and secure our money for a better future.

 

It is good that you recognize bitcoin as the best of monies or the best place to store value out of various crypto.. but still where are you proposing to take this thread, and you believe that you end up being somewhat on topic since the thread seems to be questioning when to buy or sell bitcoin?.. but then at the same time, you are wanting to suggest putting that value into shitcoins rather than the more obvious topic of the thread which would be dollars or some fiat. and yeah, some folks might argue that dollars and/or various fiats are no better than shitcoins, but it still seems to be another topic to bring various shitcoins in to the mix of the discussion of this thread.

The best place to invest or save is Bitcoin, shitcoins are not good at all, no value should be placed on shitcoins because it has no value, do you people know the harm shitcoins has done to people, a lot of people that would have been into Bitcoin didn't because they feel all cryptocurrency are shitcoins, I really don't know why some people are even investing in shitcoins after all the damaged it's has caused to others.
Well the only investors interested in shitcoins are greedy and impatient people, but if you are investing in it please do so put don't lure other people to it especially the newbies.

[Ambatman]

I think the only good we should do for newbies in this thread is letting them know that Bitcoin is the best investment and other coins are shitcoins, and please no one should try to lead people into investment on shitcoins there's a lot of people that has lost there money investing on shitcoins.

I would say I agree with most of your points except this
Bitcoin is the best investment in cryptocurrency for its safety and returns
Because it's the only 'true' cryptocurrency.
But as the best investment is subjective
Everything boils down to the requirements and knowledge of the investor
Currently it's my best investment keeping family constant
Because I value safety, security, a future and potential
There are people out there that would think otherwise
So using one of the best investment is better since its open ended.
Like you said
Newbies need stability
And Bitcoin is the best stability you can get online.