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Today at 10:19:03 AM
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One  major thing most investors has  fail to understand is that, greed is never a good thing,  especially in this crypto industry,  almost all  veterans investors knows that when it comes to digital currencies, Bitcoin is second to none, but due to greedy of making 10x to 100x, they will still go ahead and invest in shit coin without taking into consideration the risk attached to it, they gambles with their hard earned money, even when they know how risky it is, some of them don't even know that investing in shit coin or alt are just like gambling, which the possibilities of them losing their hard earned money, is far greater than the possibilities of them making something out of it.

Secondly, most newbies investors that falls for this, are mostly misinformed, they were mostly told the juicy part of it, which is the 10x to 100x, but they weren't told how risky it is to invest in shit coin, until that greedy aspect of most investors are corrected, I Believe that the only way they can learn is on their own terms, which is learning it the hard way, when they have lost all their funds.
I want to go a little deeper when it comes to this and let us use some actual numbers to illustrate more clearly the mistake that it is to invest in those shitcoins, and while it is impossible to calculate in a completely accurate way the expected value of putting money on a shitcoin, let us do it for illustrative purposes.

So, what are the chances that a shitcoin does a 10x while you are holding it and you keep it for long enough to enjoy those benefits? Difficult to know but probably around 1%, and with that number we can make a rough estimation of how much money in terms of percentage you can lose on average when buying a shitcoin.

Getting 10x: 1000% * 0.01 = 10%
Getting small profit: 20% * 0.2  = 4%
Breaking even: 0% * 0.2 = 0%
Small loss: -20% * 0.39 = -7.8%
Catastrophic loss: -100% * 0.2 = -20%

And when we add all of those results we get -13.8%, this number represents the expected value of deciding to put your money into a shitcoin, and while the numbers are arbitrary, they do reflect the reality, as it is often necessary for those interested in shitcoins to get burned several times before losing most or all of their capital, so basically anyone taking their chances with those coins should expect on average a loss close to that percentage of any money put into a shitcoin.

So I hope this illustrates how bad it is to try shitcoins, and anyone considering to use their savings to invest, sticks with bitcoin and nothing else when it comes to this market.
I don't actually agree with your -13.8% because the risk is far higher than that. Perhaps you have not invested in a shitcoin that died and became totally worthless, else you will known that the percentage is far higher than what you posted. I have lost my total invested capital in shitcoins on several occasions, when I was committed to spreading my money across several shitcoins hoping that one of them that pumped hard will return my capital with enough profits. Those are the days of ignorance I am working very hard to forget.

Investment in shitcoin is best described as taking unnecessary risk because those who engage in it end up in pain most of the times. It is even shitcoins that bring bad name to Bitcoin.

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Today at 10:49:33 AM
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I'm not saying Bitcoin investment is not the best investment in the crypto world I'm just saying there are other good coins and some coins has been for a long time now,
I understand what you saying but the thing is they are considered good for now
What about in 10 years time?
How many of this said good coin would survive till then
Bitconnect,FTT among others are proof of that.

Altcoin is like a fancy word to saying counterfeit coins.



Getting 10x: 1000% * 0.01 = 10%
Getting small profit: 20% * 0.2  = 4%
Breaking even: 0% * 0.2 = 0%
Small loss: -20% * 0.39 = -7.8%
Catastrophic loss: -100% * 0.2 = -20%

And when we add all of those results we get -13.8%, this number represents the expected value of deciding to put your money into a shitcoin, and while the numbers are arbitrary, they do reflect the reality, as it is often necessary for those interested in shitcoins to get burned several times before losing most or all of their capital, so basically anyone taking their chances with those coins should expect on average a loss close to that percentage of any money put into a shitcoin.

So I hope this illustrates how bad it is to try shitcoins, and anyone considering to use their savings to invest, sticks with bitcoin and nothing else when it comes to this market.
I don't know how you calculated it but the probability of getting times 10 or more should have the lowest odds
And going dead or catastrophic loss should have way higher odds more than 0.5 if am not been bias
A risk of 13.8% is quite low for shitcoins.
Even Ethereum the face of all shitcoins have a higher risk than that.
And risk isn't calculated as such.

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Today at 01:26:55 PM
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Yes you are right, people investing in shitcoins have there reasons why they choose to invest on it, one of the reasons I have mentioned, now about the growth believe is true they believe Bitcoin is slow in growth and some also believe Bitcoin will not grow more than this.
Now the reason they believe feel or reason this way is because they really do not understand what Bitcoin is, they don't have the knowledge about Bitcoin they feel is just like other cryptocurrency, some people even feel those shitcoins they are investing into will one day grow in price more than Bitcoin.
But I will advise before going into shitcoins please ask people that has gone into it and stopped they will be the ones to tell you the real truth about it, ask like 6 people and from there you can make your decision or no that truly shitcoins should be avoided totally.
Well not all altcoins are shitcoins. Some of them has the potential to grow and people are still making profits by investing in them. So I will not say that altcoins are bad. Only the professionals who have deep knowledge about the market and its movement can make profit out of altcoins. Believe me or not, altcoins are all about trends and hype. Once it fades away, it is gone.
As long as it is not bitcoin, it is shitcoin because they are same with gambling and they are not classified as an investment because if you hold them for long, you will be a failure for doing that. This is how those shitcoins dev decieves people that their shitcoin will gradually grow like bitcoin and have a high value just to make you invest in them and in not time you will be rug pulled. You are new to this forum and I will not blame you for what you said above because you are those set of people who think shitcoins can give you quick profit.

As long as it is a centralized coins, it can be manipulated because a back door can be made anytime. Bitcoin is for the future because it will last and that is why it is the best to invest in because it has great potentials to give you profit in the long run and it will save your funds from depreciation because bitcoin is a store of value. A lot of shitcoins have crashed and it is useless to buy them.

You don't need to be a professional to invest or bitcoin or have deep knowledge of the market before you can invest in bitcoin as a newbie, all you need to do is to figure out the right amount that you can use to buy bitcoin consistently and persistently and continuously for you to get started as long as you will hodli for a long time.
Have you considered coins like ethereum, Bitcoin is the best but we can't dispute the fact that ethereum coin are also good and has been for years, let be honest here if given ethereum to hold would you have fear in you.

Fuck off with your attempts to squeeze shitcoin discussions into a bitcoin thread, and in your first post you were ambiguous and vague, while at the same time proclaiming that you were not trying to persuade anyone about whether or not to buy any shitcoins, while at the same time trying to proclaim both that 1) some altcoins are not shitcoins and 2) some shitcoins are less shitty than others, with your attempt to slide that scammy smokescreen project of ethereum as if it were some kind of a better shitcoin because of its supposed market cap that is also built upon a scam in which we cannot even verify the supply, so how are you going to know its actual market cap if you cannot even verify its supply.
Shitcoins are shitcoins, a lot of people try to separate them and try to give some shitcoins more meaning, and long stay of shitcoins those not make it good or worthy of investment, a lot of shitcoins that has destroyed a lot of people are still in existence till today and that long stay is one thing people are using to convince newbies on investing on them.


I understand your point since those coins are centralized there's every opportunity for it to be tempered with and there by leading to it fall and that is why Bitcoin is the best crypto currency in the world to invest with.

Good you admit that bitcoin is the best, so why not leave it at that, instead of trying to pump sum nonsense and get some folks to agree with you about that piece of crap known as ethereum?
I think the only good we should do for newbies in this thread is letting them know that Bitcoin is the best investment and other coins are shitcoins, and please no one should try to lead people into investment on shitcoins there's a lot of people that has lost there money investing on shitcoins.


However we can't say any coin that is created and made decentralized is a good option or can we, so I think there's more to a coin being a good option for investment and for me long good credit history is one.

So you want to leverage ethereum becuase it has been around for a while?  You are still in a bitcoin thread, so sure you are free to do what you like, but you are still trying to come into a bitcoin thread and pump a shitcoin while supposedly proclaiming that you were not intending to do that.  So take your lack of focus shitcoin peddling to some other thread.. there are threads and sections for that, but no, instead you want to lure some bitcoiners into your belief that ethereum isn't so bad.. and it is almost as good as bitcoin.. and it is better than other shitcoins..  and there is a shitcoin ranking system and  blah blah blah baloney.
We have a lot of shitcoins that has been in existence for years and still people lost there money on it, Ethereum is still a shitcoin and will remain a shitcoin as far as bitcoin is still in existence.
Ethereum depends on Bitcoin for it's survivor and anything can happen to Ethereum leading to it's fall, there's no security for it's survivor and I can't invest in something I know has no strong root.


The reason why people are still investing in shitcoins instead of Bitcoin is because they feel shitcoins are more fast in growth than Bitcoin and they have may be seen one or two people that has made money from some shitcoins,
Fuck them and their shitcoins and how they feel about it, for as I know shitcoin doesn't have any potential, all are crab pump and dump that people invest and later regret at last. I wounder why people leave a potential coin like bitcoin and go for shitcoin for the sake of imidiate pump and forget about the dump without rise. Because definately it will rise to leure people in and dump their ass down.
They always go on with the mindset of withdrawal almost immediately when there is a pump and that's it's just the only investment strategy they have. The funny thing is, a lot of them don't even believe in some of the shitcoin project they want to invest in, but Yet they still try to convince themselves about the miracle of impossibility to happen.

Patience they say is a virtue and bitcoin gives you the reward for your patience, most of these shitcoin investors see patients as a waste of time, hence they always fall for the scam in shitcoins in the hope of getting their investment as fast as possible. The sad part is that, people will always refuse to learn.
It is interesting that when Altcoin or Shitcoin that you are referring to is indeed made as an alternative profit that can be obtained because the movement is much more volatile, and in some they want to maximize it for their profits which are much higher and faster.

I don't deny it because I have also done it for profit, maybe you will judge me stupid or whatever about me doing that, but if as far as we get a profit then the results of trading from shitcoin make a big profit and then saved in a safer coin, namely bitcoin, is it wrong, or can't be right?

It most likely is wrong, but who fucking cares?  It is off topic, and you are trying to suggest that some shitcoins are less shitty than others based on your ability to either trade with them or gamble with them in order to make more bitcoin.  Whether it is true or not about your ability to trade or gamble with shitcoins to make more bitcoin, it is off topic, because this is a bitcoin thread, and neither a shitcoin thread or a which shitcoin is less shitty thread or a what if I fuck around with shitcoins to make more bitcoin thread.
Shitcoins should not be mention in this thread anymore, I know someone that convinced a lot of people that lost there money through investing on shitcoins so it's should not be mention in this thread I thread is for Bitcoin investors.


While we don't have any other job that can make more money to save in bitcoin, yes why not use it to get more money to save in bitcoin.

Sure, maybe you are getting closer to talking about bitcoin, but it still seems like a slippery slope in terms of leading us more and more off topic to be trying to suggest that there might be some shitcoins that are less shitty that can help you earn more bitcoin, and in that regard, you are going to want to mention your various systems to figure out which shitcoin is less shitty and where is that going to lead us?  Talking about 10s of thousands of various shitcoins rather than sticking to the topic of this thread, namely bitcoin.

There is always polarization in every industry, and I think if the goal is to add or buy more bitcoins from shitcoin trading, it doesn't matter, as long as we understand the risks and are able to take responsibility for it, Bitcoin will only be the last storage and secure our money for a better future.
 

It is good that you recognize bitcoin as the best of monies or the best place to store value out of various crypto.. but still where are you proposing to take this thread, and you believe that you end up being somewhat on topic since the thread seems to be questioning when to buy or sell bitcoin?.. but then at the same time, you are wanting to suggest putting that value into shitcoins rather than the more obvious topic of the thread which would be dollars or some fiat. and yeah, some folks might argue that dollars and/or various fiats are no better than shitcoins, but it still seems to be another topic to bring various shitcoins in to the mix of the discussion of this thread.
The best place to invest or save is Bitcoin, shitcoins are not good at all, no value should be placed on shitcoins because it has no value, do you people know the harm shitcoins has done to people, a lot of people that would have been into Bitcoin didn't because they feel all cryptocurrency are shitcoins, I really don't know why some people are even investing in shitcoins after all the damaged it's has caused to others.
Well the only investors interested in shitcoins are greedy and impatient people, but if you are investing in it please do so put don't lure other people to it especially the newbies.
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Today at 05:41:18 PM
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I think the only good we should do for newbies in this thread is letting them know that Bitcoin is the best investment and other coins are shitcoins, and please no one should try to lead people into investment on shitcoins there's a lot of people that has lost there money investing on shitcoins.



I would say I agree with most of your points except this
Bitcoin is the best investment in cryptocurrency for its safety and returns
Because it's the only 'true' cryptocurrency.
But as the best investment is subjective
Everything boils down to the requirements and knowledge of the investor
Currently it's my best investment keeping family constant
Because I value safety, security, a future and potential
There are people out there that would think otherwise
So using one of the best investment is better since its open ended.
Like you said
Newbies need stability
And Bitcoin is the best stability you can get online. 

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Today at 05:46:22 PM
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Well not all altcoins are shitcoins. Some of them has the potential to grow and people are still making profits by investing in them. So I will not say that altcoins are bad. Only the professionals who have deep knowledge about the market and its movement can make profit out of altcoins. Believe me or not, altcoins are all about trends and hype. Once it fades away, it is gone.

it would have been better, if Bitcoin is not classified in same category of cryptocurrencies with these Altcoins and shitcoins. Bitcoin is an Assets of its kind. They are just trying to coattail bitcoin without any real substance.

Shitcoins is shitcoins the only difference amongst them is that one can be more fucked up than another. Altcoins and shitcoins are bad choice of investment,  don't be persuaded especially newbies  with their juicy and unrealistic promises they offer ( quick profits). No need to look towards Altcoins and shitcoins because They lack solid fundamentals.

Sticking to bitcoin that is established and compete with other Assets is the real deal and good choice to invest in digital currency. Investing in  Bitcoin is the right suggestion we encourage individuals to partake because it has proven to be worthy on investing. Individuals have made good profit and created wealth for themselves because of bitcoin potentials and resilience.
I'm not saying Bitcoin investment is not the best investment in the crypto world I'm just saying there are other good coins and some coins has been for a long time now, However since this thread is about Bitcoin investment it will be better will talk only Bitcoin investment.
Shitcoins are not good if anyone knows about the risk and still invest is fine he may lose or gain and in Investment is either you lose or win.
what then is the essence of considering an alternative investment option when you're aware of the option that's  the best?
The only best way to alternate our investment is investing in other projects outside cryptocurrency, such as real estate, but in as much as an investor is considering investing in alternative cryptocurrency then in my opinion he's no more investing but gambling with his money on shitcoins. The POW of bitcoin makes it exceptional as the best crypto to hold for long and be sure of profit as you accumulate as your pocket can stash. Seeing a risk that has 99% of failing and still going into it shouldn't be  articulated to be an investment but stupidity - what's the right term again: gambling!
Ok well I think I agree with what you people are saying, and truly Bitcoin is the best but let's always remember that being the best crypto currency those not mean other coin won't be good.
Bitcoin is the best and should be considered first when it comes to cryptocurrency and it should be known that other coins can also earn profit.
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