[SCAM] BC Game closed account with my winnings! >$90.000

[Lakai01]

What is the risk for their here?

BC.Game doesn't do KYC for fun, but has to do it as part of, for example, money laundering guidelines, otherwise they risk high fines and/or the closure of the company. Imagine a fictitious example where it is proven that some 100k were used to launder money from illegal activities. The trail then leads back to an account at BC.Game for which they did not perform KYC properly or the account was KYC-approved even though the KYC data was falsified. In such a case, BC.Game would also be liable to legal action.

Even playing your game, why would a mother be warmed or threatned by a son to receive over 90000 usd?
How stupid would be being present on a video meeting without knowing the basics of casino?

Ask the question the other way around. Why would BC.Game refuse to pay you if everything was above board? 90k may sound like a lot of money, but BC.Game probably carries out such withdrawals several times an hour - at least other casinos of a similar size have such a turnover. Why would BC.Game put their reputation on the line in your case and refuse to pay out to you without justification?

I understand your situation, of course, but I completely trust BC.Game's assessment and think it's great that they gave you another chance to prove your identity in a video call. You really can't blame BC.Game for the fact that several alarm bells were ringing during this call and they had to refuse you the approval.

Imagining that I'm saying the truth, what else can I do right now? Shall I open a claim on askgamblers right now? Are they allowed to check casino evidences at least?

You've mentioned several times that you've already hired a lawyer to handle this matter. If this is true (which I honestly doubt), you will now have to await the outcome of the legal proceedings.
If this is not true, there is probably only one thing you can do: accept that you will not get the money and move on.

As a personal tip: It's best to stop using multiple accounts and stick to the ToS of the casinos you play at. Then you're guaranteed that this won't happen to you again.

[Joana226]

Thanks for the reply.

What if you are wrong this time and BC is making it wrongly? They would definetly won over 90000 doing this. It is not millions but it still a lot of money. I believe it is their interest confiscating money.
For some reason they chose a case where they don't provide any evidence apart of their words or opinions.

I didn't hire a lawyer. I contacted a lawyer (Roelof), to help answering me some questions about my case. Their job takes 25% of recoverable funds as payment and obviously it will take months to get settled.

The version of multi account doesn't fit here because my son account is still active while mine isn't - so why would he create an account in my name if he had his own account working?
I dont see any alarm bell on it sorry. I always prove my identity in documents uploaded, KYC photos and even video meeting.

I'm only asking for evidences or a neutral 3rd entity on it regulating it and cheking who is saying what.

[holydarkness]

That is simply not true. I asked for my son help to translate, once the meeting would be in english - just that. I asked the meeting to be in my language and they denied it. Also they didn't provide any translator for myself and they agree with that.
BC.Game is accusing me so I require them to show evidences. I'm the victim of the accusation, so they should proof their point of view with evidences.
They omissed all the questions I was able to answer correctly. This is why I suggested to have this meeting with a 3rd party present to judge it.

I'm not clueless about my account, don't be fool or bias! I provided a lot of information! I don't know what my son tells or not to them - because I dont speak english - so I can't be responsible for that. Get me someone that speaks my language and I don't need anyone to help me saying how do I play on crush or bigwin, or to deposit. Now, dont ask me things about bonus or vip because im not familiar with that.

Isn't 90.000 USD worth of a public trial? or a 3rd entity present on it? and an official translator? In my understanding I answered all the questions.

So concluding BC.Game can stop everyone account saying the very same they said to me without showing any evidence and you will be happy with this, is it?
What if it were you? what else can I do?

What part of terms tells that the player need to study their terms IN ENGLISH and all their features to do an exam?

First, regarding English, just to confirm, all of this fluency of yours, down to the grammar and the use of tenses, it's because you use a translation service? To translate from Tamil to English? You don't speak English at all, have near zero proficiency in that language?

Second, regarding what else can you do, I wanted to say something about lawyer and multi-acc, but what I wanted to say was very nicely conveyed by Lakai01 and I can't say it better.

Third, regarding clueless about account and I can't believe we circled back to this but... actually, up to this second, you can't even describe to me what situation you were during that initial KYC. And no, I'm not only talking about the "under duress" situation, I'm talking about this:

[...]
Well, OP, can you at least tell us something, anything about the photo? The color of your clothes? What background you were in? A blank white wall of your living room? Blue wall as you're in your bedroom? A cafe?

So far, you can't even describe anything about that KYC, showing cluelessness about yourself, deflecting the questions by asking other things, conveniently keep missing details of that "duress", and instead you demanded to see the photo yourself. Why? Because you don't know how it looks like?

I believe you can answer them now? Given you've get in touch with the woman whose identity being used as your KYC? I believe she'll remember at least what's the background and where was she when she's forced to undergo that KYC, because people who did their KYC tends to at least remember --even the faintest hint-- of the situation revolving their KYC, like the room they're in. Hell, I can even perfectly recall the situation I was in during a KYC I did back in 2018.

This part is basically rhetorical at this point.

[Joana226]

My english is very limited yes.  How would help describing anything can you explain me?
That photo was 5 months ago and no, I don't remember in which wall was it neither what colors I was wearing. I already proof I exist. Why is it relevant for?
I'm not in touch with any woman but my little daughter. I'm the only woman here.

Why don't you ask a single proof from cassino? Can you be neutral?

I asked cassino to mention what rule of their terms I violated, is it too hard to reply? I also gave permission to them to publish the KYC video or photo. Did you realize you might be wrong and they aren't showing it because they haven't reason?

[AHOYBRAUSE]

My english is very limited yes.  How would help describing anything can you explain me?
That photo was 5 months ago and no, I don't remember in which wall was it neither what colors I was wearing. I already proof I exist. Why is it relevant for?
I'm not in touch with any woman but my little daughter. I'm the only woman here.

Why don't you ask a single proof from cassino? Can you be neutral?

I asked cassino to mention what rule of their terms I violated, is it too hard to reply? I also gave permission to them to publish the KYC video or photo. Did you realize you might be wrong and they aren't showing it because they haven't reason?

Now his "translation tool“ is suddenly misspelling casino as well, hilarious. What a try hard this clown is. If he actually believes he can convince anybody here ?
I mean, he looks smart doing the intentional grammar mistakes, but the execution is just too pathetic and inconsistent.
And the way he acts now that the evidence is overwhelming, he did the exact same thing in his gambling addiction scam accusation thread he published under ghostigura2. Once the jig was up he referred to rules and whatever that are explained bad ( now in this case there is no translation and such).
In this thread he did the blackmailing by threatening with a lawyer as well, nothing more than hot air .

You know why he wants bc to publish the picture/call? Because he wants them to violate the law. Posting this in a public forum would be against their license which protects player’s privacy. Even if he gave consent it’s a violation, and he knows for damn sure.
He wants to keep every possibility open to blackmail them.

[holydarkness]

My english is very limited yes.  How would help describing anything can you explain me?

Simple, I just needed your confirmation that you're very limited in English, that you needed the help of google translate to string these posts, to cross the Ts and dot the Is.

Why? Here:

imo

wtv

Interesting isn't it?

Do you mind to tell us what's the exact prompt you wrote in Tamil in Google translate that it translated it into English, in abbreviation? I've never know Google translate deliberately abbreviating a translation. Unless, it's you the one who manually pressed backspace on "in my opinion" and replace it. But why?

If we take that you're the one who manually change it, I personally think it'll be quite dangerous to toy with a translation of a language that I am very limited at, lest it change the meaning, especially since it doesn't bring any added benefit.

So, which one is it? You're poor in English that you can't understand the interview and had to rely to your son to translate, or were you proficient enough to edit a translation, or better yet, string those words and sentences on this whole thread yourself?

Talking about stringing words, I can't help but recall this:

Personally, I don't see merit in dissecting the Mona Lisa painting in this context;

It's specifically ingrained into my mind because I find it so nicely written, so beautifully stringed use of metaphor... that I intended to borrow it for future use. Such phrase come from someone who barely understand English? I understand it's not a common expression? What's the prompt you use on Google translate or chatGPT again to bring this phrase into table?

And to think that those words come from someone or a translation and AI service who suddenly find it difficult to spell "casino", so abruptly that one may think she he they deliberately mistyped that to exagerrate the poor proficiency in English, don't you agree there's more than meet the eye? Unless you're saying google translate and chatGPT suddenly worked poorly after nine pages of perfectly spelling "casino" for you?

That photo was 5 months ago and no, I don't remember in which wall was it neither what colors I was wearing. I already proof I exist. Why is it relevant for?

It's not. I've told you, at this point it's basically rhetorical.

I'm not in touch with any woman but my little daughter. I'm the only woman here.

Why don't you ask a single proof from cassino? Can you be neutral?

Umm... I am neutral. Why do I asked you more than I asked BC? Not sure, maybe because so far you're acting more suspicious than the casino?

I asked cassino to mention what rule of their terms I violated, is it too hard to reply? I also gave permission to them to publish the KYC video or photo. Did you realize you might be wrong and they aren't showing it because they haven't reason?

Why don't you? You previously said you'll record the session to serve as evidence in court. You didn't? Or was it just an attempt to threat BC, that you drag their ass to the court if they didn't settle? Hmm... it reminds me of someone, relying on threats and extortion.

I believe we can all agree that this case is as good as resolved and the bad actor on this case is very evident, unless anyone believe otherwise?


Edit: AHOYBRAUSE, stop stealing my words, LOL. We've been thinking alike and noticing similar things like...way too a lot on this case.

[Joana226]

It isn't resolved to me. So I'm not closing any topic. Only people here defending BC is those with BC signatures and you

[AHOYBRAUSE]

It isn't resolved to me. So I'm not closing any topic. Only people here defending BC is those with BC signatures and you

IMH I think you are exaggerating.
WTV you mean with this I really don't understand.  
You should answer holydarkness's questions about your sudden loss of English and/or the use of imo/wtv.
Even I, and I think my English is quite ok, never use imo or wtv. I even had to google wtv just now, so I can use it.  

Edit: AHOYBRAUSE, stop stealing my words, LOL. We've been thinking alike and noticing similar things like...way too a lot on this case.

I think we bought our bullshit detector at the same shop.

[holydarkness]

It isn't resolved to me. So I'm not closing any topic. Only people here defending BC is those with BC signatures and you

Oh, no. No, no, no. Nooo...

Please, by all means, me thinking that it's resolved and the truth has been revealed doesn't necessarily mean you need to stop posting or closing this thread. In fact, please keep posting, do what you threaten you'll do,

I'm not afraid of them anymore. I'll keep exposing it as long as I live, and I'll keep this thread alive to remember everyone to be aware of this scammers

Keep on writing and keep this thread [and your other ones] alive. It helped me a lot in studying your writing quirk, I can probably [or... hopefully] identify your next other account easier with the ever-growing list of your quirk. As I keep on reading your posts, I found and noticed more and more similarities between them.

As the old proverb said, one can probably a coincidence, but two? Three? I've find others aside from the "or wtv", so please, keep on. Aren't you curious how many uncanny similarities I've already noticed between the accounts? Three? Four, maybe? More?

And no, this is not sarcasm, I actually really hope you'll keep writing.

Edit: oh, just you won't think I'm just bluffing, here:

aswell. [...] aswell.

aswell

aswell

aswell

aswell.

aswell

I mean, I can understand if ghostingura2 a.k.a. SimpleMachin34 misused the word. FYI: "aswell" is not a correct English word ^{[1] [2]}, he probably thought the word is a valid English word. But you? How does Google translate misspelled the same word being used by ghostingura2?

Need more? Nahh, let me keep the list for myself so you can't use it against the forum to avoid us identifying you on your next account.

[Lakai01]

It isn't resolved to me. So I'm not closing any topic. Only people here defending BC is those with BC signatures and you

I can only speak for myself now, but I think the same applies to other people here with senior+ accounts:
You want to be able to represent the respective company you advertise with via your signature with a clear conscience. So if there is the slightest suspicion that, for example, a casino (or in the past, especially a mixer) is scamming customers, as a signature holder you take a very close look and, if the worst comes to the worst, you immediately take off your signature.

That's why many BC.Game signature holders also follow the thread here. If it turns out that BC.Game is actually cheating its customers, almost all participants would probably drop their signatures immediately. Thank goodness this is not the case and your attempt to accuse BC.Game of scam also failed.

For me, this was the last post in this thread, there is nothing more to say from my point of view.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

the person in the video call was not the account holder

If it was true, I wouldn't argue neither requesting everything. But it isn't true.

Ask them to make a call with a language where the customer is main language, or allow her to use google translator etc.
And ask normal things, the things that the person needs to know while using the website:
how to deposit
how to play
how to withdraw
what were the deposit methods used
how long I have been with my account closed
what was last game played?

even they could reopen the account and ask me to play the usual games... now asking for vip program? cashback schedules? is it a requirement to know about how that works? those aren't basic things.
My winnings came from my deposits and my plays, not any bonus, I don't know how does it works as I never used it.

If you are not happy with the decision then make a complain to BC's license provider. If you are not happy with the decision of the license provider then find a good lawyer, file a case against BC and their license provider. I think there are many law farm who works in the condition of no win no fee. $90,000 is a good amount of money to receive a good reward for your lawyer if they can win the case for you.

[Joana226]

the person in the video call was not the account holder

If it was true, I wouldn't argue neither requesting everything. But it isn't true.

Ask them to make a call with a language where the customer is main language, or allow her to use google translator etc.
And ask normal things, the things that the person needs to know while using the website:
how to deposit
how to play
how to withdraw
what were the deposit methods used
how long I have been with my account closed
what was last game played?

even they could reopen the account and ask me to play the usual games... now asking for vip program? cashback schedules? is it a requirement to know about how that works? those aren't basic things.
My winnings came from my deposits and my plays, not any bonus, I don't know how does it works as I never used it.

If you are not happy with the decision then make a complain to BC's license provider. If you are not happy with the decision of the license provider then find a good lawyer, file a case against BC and their license provider. I think there are many law farm who works in the condition of no win no fee. $90,000 is a good amount of money to receive a good reward for your lawyer if they can win the case for you.

Thanks! I sent you private message.

[holydarkness]

the person in the video call was not the account holder

If it was true, I wouldn't argue neither requesting everything. But it isn't true.

Ask them to make a call with a language where the customer is main language, or allow her to use google translator etc.
And ask normal things, the things that the person needs to know while using the website:
how to deposit
how to play
how to withdraw
what were the deposit methods used
how long I have been with my account closed
what was last game played?

even they could reopen the account and ask me to play the usual games... now asking for vip program? cashback schedules? is it a requirement to know about how that works? those aren't basic things.
My winnings came from my deposits and my plays, not any bonus, I don't know how does it works as I never used it.

If you are not happy with the decision then make a complain to BC's license provider. If you are not happy with the decision of the license provider then find a good lawyer, file a case against BC and their license provider. I think there are many law farm who works in the condition of no win no fee. $90,000 is a good amount of money to receive a good reward for your lawyer if they can win the case for you.

He has made [or claimed to be] a plan to file a lawsuit against BC before he did the video call, the first one, refused to attend the video verification because the invitation was not [according to his lawyer] written formally in a way that has weight in court-room, somehow missing the fact that it actually did. He also said he'll make a recording of the session as part of evidence in court, in case BC played funny, which he also somehow did not. It strongly point to a possibility that the whole lawsuit thing is a threat just to scare BC to pay him without having to undergo the KYC, because he knew he'll lose if it got to the point of video verification.

In case you missed this, OP is a suspected prolific abuser and extortionist. He previously weaponized his "gambling addiction" to force Rollbit to pay him because their system failed to exclude his alt-account. Succeeded with that, he disposed the SimpleMachin34 account, made a complaint against BC under ghostingura2, for a missing bets, that when the case was paid by BC, escalated another one, on the very same thread, saying that he can't counter-bet because they took a little while to settle.

Upon further investigation and it's made known by AHOYBRAUSE that he's SimpleMachin34 with other account, and that he had a gambling addiction, he tried to pull a stunt requiring BC to take responsibility for not blocking him due to the addiction.

Simultaneously, he made this complaint with this account for this case, which BC found out that the KYC made for this account has no credibility and that the ID being used are very highly likely someone else's. Judging from his history, I am strongly believe he has several accounts in BC, got banned for one or two reason, and tried to use this account to circumvent it. The connection between Joana226, ghostingura2, and SimpleMachin34 are through the inconsistencies of English proficiency of Joana226, the attempt to mislead people by deliberately [and so abruptly] losing his grammar fluency, and the uncanny writing quirk shared between the accounts [please read my post number #167 and #170 on this thread, as well as post #704 on this thread].

In fact... has he sent you that PM? I believe it's roughly about him and his attempt to get a support and/or to twist yet another story?

OP, I challenged you, do you dare enough to give permission to BitcoinGirl.Club to publish what you wrote to him publicly?

I am sorry, I usually will not challenge someone to do such a violation to anyone's privacy and approach cases with level-headedness, but this particular user with his disgusting history across platforms really irk me.

I've been closely monitoring his account activity since my last post [and by closely, I mean really closely, several times every time I am online, coming back to his page right after every post I made] and I noticed he's never going back online upon realizing that his nefarious agenda failed miserably, that everybody can see through his facade, and that I kindly inform him that the more he post, the more I can learn about his writing style to help me identify his other account in future case. I believe he's been monitoring this thread as a guest or through his yet another account, and only jumped when he saw he get a chance to manipulate someone else... not knowing that the user he tried to manipulate is a seasoned user of the forum.

[JollyGood]

In my opinion, the lawsuit claim should never have been made unless he was really willing to do it. Clearly, he was calling their bluff and it did not work.

I can only state from experience that I do get very disappointed when reading claim about how the alleged victim of a current scam has wagered x$million on various casino/gaming sites yet they do not prove anything. Having said that, just because it could be proved someone has wagered $13 million it does not mean it provides evidence they are or are not telling the truth on this occasion.

The OP has the option to complain to the Curacao licence authority (if he has not already done it) but what I would like the OP is this now he is aware BC Game will not give him the $90,000 he is claiming, apart from posting here with his complaint what exactly will he do next?

Can I at least ask them to show evidences accordingly to their terms of service, of any failure from my side? We are talking about over $90.000 claim, so I'm not asking too much. More than "interpretations", physical evidences supported by their terms.

[CC: JollyGood]

It's actually explained by them in between-lines, and been explained to you by me [in form of educated theory] throughout the entire thread, sealed by BC.Game Support's report of the video call.

Initially, they suspected that your "mom" is performing KYC under duress, of which our suspicion gets stronger and stronger as the case and posts on this thread gets further and you show questionable traits, like the cluelessness of what "under duress" is about, that you basically has zero knowledge of your situation and surroundings when you took that KYC picture.

But, to be short, from BC side, and about what violation you did, they suspected you trying to circumvent a restriction they put on you [the son], be it account limitation, self exclusion, account ban, falsifying ID, and the likes, that your mom shows duress because she performed that KYC against her will, i.e. you forced her.

Bottom line,
What violation you did: a possible attempt to circumvent account limitation and providing fake KYC.
Physical evidence: the video call, where the "real player" [the mom] basically clueless about the game she's been playing for a while.
What terms in the ToS related to it: I have them safely stored for you in my gallery, but I believe it'll be best to start make that lawyer of yours useful. Here's the link to their ToS, I believe he can ventured a very-well-educated guess of what violation you did.

[Joana226]

Judging from his history, I am strongly believe he has several accounts in BC, got banned for one or two reason, and tried to use this account to circumvent it

Ask BC to verify that and you will see their answer about it. Check if there is any pattern on those accounts you mention. In that case, why would I be complaining about USD 90000 only 5 months later? Any thesis about this aswell?

OP, I challenged you, do you dare enough to give permission to BitcoinGirl.Club to publish what you wrote to him publicly?

Yes I accept your challenge.

I'm revisiting this thread after having any news about my case that is my goal to resolve. BC didn't answer some pending questions aswell and I'm waiting for they to do it.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

Judging from his history, I am strongly believe he has several accounts in BC, got banned for one or two reason, and tried to use this account to circumvent it

Ask BC to verify that and you will see their answer about it. Check if there is any pattern on those accounts you mention. In that case, why would I be complaining about USD 90000 only 5 months later? Any thesis about this aswell?

OP, I challenged you, do you dare enough to give permission to BitcoinGirl.Club to publish what you wrote to him publicly?

Yes I accept your challenge.

I'm revisiting this thread after having any news about my case that is my goal to resolve. BC didn't answer some pending questions aswell and I'm waiting for they to do it.

They (BC) won't and they don't have to answer any more questions from you.
All the facts are on the table, the jig is up, the fat lady has sung.

@ holydarkness: OP probably asked a high ranking member to defend his case in return for whatever. I had the exact same thought when I saw the "I sent you private message." post. Nobody would be stupid enough to actually do so.

By the way, funny how OP abandoned all his other scam accusation threads to focus on this one, hahaha.

Ah, and seems like his English has become better again over night. 
Please try to get a lawyer OP, they will laugh about this.

[JollyGood]

The OP has skipped past my post where I asked what he will do next after being made aware BC Game will not release this $90,000 he is claiming. They have disputed the identity of the account holder (and expressed other concerns) which made them arrive at that conclusion. As the OP is not willing to engage with me, I will unwatch this thread and no longer participate in discussion.

[holydarkness]

Judging from his history, I am strongly believe he has several accounts in BC, got banned for one or two reason, and tried to use this account to circumvent it

Ask BC to verify that and you will see their answer about it. Check if there is any pattern on those accounts you mention. In that case, why would I be complaining about USD 90000 only 5 months later? Any thesis about this aswell?

OP, I challenged you, do you dare enough to give permission to BitcoinGirl.Club to publish what you wrote to him publicly?

Yes I accept your challenge.

I'm revisiting this thread after having any news about my case that is my goal to resolve. BC didn't answer some pending questions aswell and I'm waiting for they to do it.

Interesting cherry picking, is it not? I raised so many points on my previous question, like the sudden drop of grammar, the existence of abbreviation through Google translate, your proficiency level, the real role of your son in the interview, the lawsuit you promised... ehm, threaten them that will loom over them, or... the extremely interesting similarities in error with ghostingura2 and SimpleMachin34, "aswell". Care to explain them all?

[...] @ holydarkness: OP probably asked a high ranking member to defend his case in return for whatever. I had the exact same thought when I saw the "I sent you private message." post. Nobody would be stupid enough to actually do so.

Figured that much, I assume he'll provide some misleading "facts" to high ranked and influential members in private to avoid people who's been following his cases from the beginning to correct those statements and provide a more accurate truth.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

In fact... has he sent you that PM? I believe it's roughly about him and his attempt to get a support and/or to twist yet another story?

OP, I challenged you, do you dare enough to give permission to BitcoinGirl.Club to publish what you wrote to him publicly?

Yes, I received a PM from him and it's just a short one where he asked how to find those No Win No Fees law farms. I left him a response with my suggestions a few minutes ago before I discover your reply.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

In fact... has he sent you that PM? I believe it's roughly about him and his attempt to get a support and/or to twist yet another story?

OP, I challenged you, do you dare enough to give permission to BitcoinGirl.Club to publish what you wrote to him publicly?

Yes, I received a PM from him and it's just a short one where he asked how to find those No Win No Fees law farms. I left him a response with my suggestions a few minutes ago before I discover your reply.

If I was you I wouldn't give any advise to some con artist like this. Makes no sense to even help this guy. He is a confirmed bitcointalk multi accounter with at least 4 accounts, all making scam accusations for different bc.game accounts. -> blackmail artist
I guess when they only scam other sites it's not so bad, but once they scam forum members everybody is screaming and pointing fingers.
He should have at least 5 tags right now, only for the multi accounts in here already. Yet people give him attention because they don't care to read his trust and this thread.

He is lying from beginning to the end and still there are people here not reading/seeing the full context.