Potential Match Fixing involving Finnish teams FC Futura and Ilves-Kissat

[newfish1]

Personally, this does look suspicious to me. However, one has to provide proof if making allegations, that is the way it works. Innocent until proven guilty. I think both sides must now provide verifiable proof of betting history. It doesn't look good if things are altered.

Thank you for taking interest in this case. Allegations are made against me, so I think Fairlay has to prove I am guilty. Before doing that, they have to prove that the teams and players involved are guilty. Federations dont prove, polices dont prove, Fairlay wants to prove. Good luck with that ...

Unfortunately in the modern society, we are so used to the fact that casinos, bookmakers are always winning, that it becomes very suspicious, often proclaimed criminal, when an individual finally beats them (mind you, this is only a one case where I won money, I could be a big losing gambler in other bookies/casinos). Personally, it is very sad for me.

Maybe if one or two bookmakers can make an enquiry into the league and check, and see if other suspicious behaviour is replicated on other platforms?

This is a very curious fact, that Fairlay forgets to mention
You can also ask them if they know of any governing body, or law enforcing agency, that is investigating these matches. Or it is only them  

While user has not offered any explanation for this betting history, he says he will explain the strategy. If user is from Finland or Brazil it makes sense but seems user is not?

I am sorry, there is so much to write, so much to explain. Unfortunately (well, actually luckily for me) imho Fairlay has so many "bloopers" in their initial accusations, that it will take a lot of time for me to go through all of them and finally get to my betting strategy for others to better understand it. Just please note, that in no time during my recent betting on Fairlay I risked more than my initial deposit of 0.075 BTC (as explained in detail here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5498092.msg64141482#msg64141482). Of course, eventually the betting strategy will be explained also. With links, data, numbers and so on. Just the way Fairlay likes it

As mentioned before (and Fairlay strangely emphasizes this fact tying me in some absurd accusations, i exposed it here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5498092.msg64141823#msg64141823) I am proudly from Ukraine.

A quite remember me with the case (STAKE).

But the match-fixing is on some (Tennis Table) tournaments. A small tournament or random tournament is being put on (Stake) especially in Russian, the person tried to do everything like payment and other things via stake.

And, the fund getting seize.

yes, there were some cases with table tennis.

But, this situation is very different.

In table tennis you have 1 player versus 1 player
Those tournaments were created by bookmakers and involved only amateur players and didnt have a status of official tournaments
Those tournaments were not sanctioned or governed by any official table tennis federation

In my case we are talking about official football tournaments that are part of their respective countries' league systems.

forgive me for my ignorance, but in a case where this person is the bettor and you are the bookmaker, you should contact the Ukrainian football federation or the governing bodies of those leagues in which this guy placed bets, report that these games are fixed and when the highest bodies of these federations prove that they really are fixed games and that the bettor is also part of the scheme, Is when you could punish the bettor, but in this case you are already punishing the player even though you have not shown proof that The governing bodies of these leagues in which he has placed bets have proven that he is involved in fixed games and that all the games he has bet on are fixed

because I keep asking myself the following: the user is Ukrainian, but according to you he was also involved in fixed Brazilian football matches, in Brazil they speak Portuguese, so how would he be able to understand Portuguese and how he combined with the football players from brazil involved in the fixed game scheme? Is something very strange. I'm not here to defend this Ukrainian guy, I just think that your proof that this guy is involved in fixed matches should come from the police and the highest football bodies in those leagues. what you have are suspicions

Thank you for your interest in my case.

Imho, Fairlay pushing these ideas concerning me being the same nationality as some players in some teams is very disturbing actually.

I literally destroyed all those arguments in my other post (details here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5498092.msg64141823#msg64141823)

[FairlaySupport]

As I mentioned in my first message (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5498092.msg64141482#msg64141482), I can only speak for myself and present facts proving my actions were not illegal or even not wrong according to Fairlay's terms and conditions.

Fairlay says that they believe many matches where i had bets on were "fixed".

I am not a member of any football federation, I am also not a member of any law enforcing agency, that is why I can not be 100% sure any game was or was not "fixed".

That is why I can only share with you some of my observations concerning these games.

The first one, and the most obvious - FC Futura

Is one of the main evils in Fairlay's opinion.

I have bets on 3 games with FC Futura involved. 1 game with very big profit (1.1 BTC), and 2 games with very very small profit where the main bets were actually a push (a situation where the result of my bet is a "draw", where I win 0 and lose 0 on a certain bet).

But during the same time period this same team had other games, and the results of those games are 

3-7 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2024/04/20/finland/kakkonen/futura/pepo/4323156/

1-6 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2024/05/25/finland/kakkonen/futura/fc-reipas/4323181/

my point is, if I was "fixing" these games, why didn't I try to make money here also? To me the answer is obvious, this team Futura, is just a bad team, they just keep conceding goals with high volume.

They are in last place in their division, 4 points from 7 games, -14 goal difference. That says a lot.

Also, check this out

1-4 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/07/09/finland/kakkonen/futura/finland-nurmijarven-jalkapalloseura/4032703/

0-3 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/07/15/finland/kakkonen/futura/fc-reipas/4032709/

1-6 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/07/22/finland/kakkonen/pepo/futura/4032714/

0-5 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/07/29/finland/kakkonen/futura/pk-keski-uusimaa-kerava/4032720/

0-5 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/08/05/finland/kakkonen/jippo/futura/4032724/

this is their 5 games in a row during last season, and just before those games they had these

1-6 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/05/18/finland/kakkonen/pk-35-ry/futura/4032669/

1-5 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/05/31/finland/suomen-cup/pallo-iirot/futura/4075684/

And Fairlay says that 1-6 they lost on May 12th, a match where i made the most profit is suspicious. For me, it looks like a normal result for this Futura team, especially against one of the best teams in their division.

In their post Fairlay made a big emphasis on the fact that there are many Ukrainian players in FC Futura, and they also mentioned that I am Ukrainian. Fairlay was implying that I had a good opportunity to "fix" the result of Futura's games, because many of the players are the same nationality as I am.

I find these comments and allegations very very concerning, due to these facts:

1. Earlier I listed 7 matches (with proof links) of FC Futura just last season where they lost by big margins (most common 1-6, 0-5, exactly as the match where I won my bets), its is very easy to see that in those matches no Ukrainian players have participated

2. Some of the other allegedly "fixed" games where I have made most money were from the leagues of Brazil and Colombia, for example. No Ukrainian players participated in them.

So why is Fairlay using these incriminations because I am Ukrainian

I admire the Fairlay platform and the whole idea, I think it is very well thought of and made. It is evidently made by IT and Crypto specialists because some of the comments they made in their post about a sport Football are just funny.

Let's look at the video highlights they noted as "prove" of my wrongdoings:
1. 16th minute – FC FUTURA player Bazhan getting a direct red card for unnecessary foul (1:35 in highlights)
well, this one is actually proves that my bet was a good one, as, as posted by Fairlay, i have made my bets after the red card with the odds provided by bookmakers. A Ukrainian betting against a team after a Ukrainian gets a red card ? But according to how bookmakers work, odds are already adjusted after a red card. Everything is correct here

2. 25th minute – FC FUTURA player Moyseev getting a yellow card for unnecessary foul (2:05 in highlights)what is this about? A yellow card in football doesn't mean anything and the resulting free kick evidently did not lead to any danger. If he wanted to "fix" the game, why didn't he get a second yellow card to be ejected? Why post here a simple foul which resulted in no danger and no serious punishment? Just because he is Ukrainian?

3. 29th minute – FC FUTURA player Sinitsyn scoring a rather clumsy own goal (2:25 in highlights) and Also, FC FUTURA goalkeeper Kazakov was not putting much effort in doing his job.
its football, its normal, especially considering this is 3-4-5th Divisions in Finland, these are amateurs. Take a look at this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMS36VyuY1A , all fixed by Ukrainians ?

Seriously, I don't see a single solid piece of evidence that there was anything wrong here. Of course Fairlay can say that FC Futura was fixing games last year also (actually if they check Futura's results from even earlier seasons, they would see the same pattern), but my question is then - Why is FC Futura still playing in the Finland Football Federation sanctioned official tournament. Where there were no arrests, no fines, no investigation, nothing ?

A lot of text from Fairlay, a lot of numbers (some of which are altered in their favor, as proven in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5498092.msg64141508#msg64141508), a lot of links, videos.

But those are all about nothing, just placeholders ...

Thanks for your post and valid points and keeping the discussion civilized despite being accused.  We are still looking for a reputable arbitrator to settle this between us.   

[Eternad]

Thanks for your post and valid points and keeping the discussion civilized despite being accused.  We are still looking for a reputable arbitrator to settle this between us.   

Casinoguru and Askgambler works perfectly as reputable arbitrator since it’s the most used arbitrator of users that have issue that can’t be resolved here due to the verifying of sensitive proofs here that contains user data.

I’m curious about this case, why does only your casino make this match considered firmly as fixed match while other casino doesn’t make an annual like your for the same match. Can you provide proof that other casino marked this same match as highly suspicious as per your opening statement?

[Haunebu]

I’m curious about this case, why does only your casino make this match considered firmly as fixed match while other casino doesn’t make an annual like your for the same match. Can you provide proof that other casino marked this same match as highly suspicious as per your opening statement?

It's pretty damn obvious that almost all casinos would find these bets suspicious to be honest which is why proof isn't really required here. Betting on lower level leagues reduces your account health drastically in any sport.

Fairlay clearly pointed out the links in an organised manner which is why op is an a tough situation regardless of whether he was aware of the fixed matches or not. His chances of recovering his money are pretty slim in my opinion.

[FairlaySupport]

@newfish1 wouid you agree  to have askgamblers.com as arbitrator in this case?

Further questions regarding your account.    



Why have you bet mainly on basketball in 2019, not used your account for years and now switched to soccer all of the sudden with these high amounts in these specific leagues?

Why didn't you do any other significant bets before?  

This is not the behaviour  we see from any other user.  


Do you have accounts under your name at other bookmakers and would you feel comfortable sharing them and your betting history there?

[newfish1]

Further questions regarding your account.    

Why have you bet mainly on basketball in 2019, not used your account for years and now switched to soccer all of the sudden with these high amounts in these specific leagues?

Why didn't you do any other significant bets before?  

This is not the behaviour  we see from any other user.  

Do you have accounts under your name at other bookmakers and would you feel comfortable sharing them and your betting history there?

Unfortunately I can't see my bets from 2019 on Fairlay (the website doesn't show it for some reason) and naturally I don't even remember what bets I took there 5 years ago. So i can not comment on that.

As I mentioned before I lost some in 2019 on Fairlay and forgot about your site for some time, as at that time I didn't find it too user friendly and glitchy.

Of course I didn't feel comfortable to bet big amounts on Fairlay in 2019 as it was still a pretty new entity not known on the market. But even considering all of this, I still deposited 0.331 BTC at that time.

I have many accounts in many different bookmakers and naturally I bet different things in all of them. It depends on the offer availability, odds, limits, so on and so on.
If you need, I will provide you with evidence of these accounts.

The amounts I bet on Fairlay are not the biggest amounts I have taken on the other sport events. 

For example, here is a screenshot of a bet I took recently on Usyk - Fury box match. As you can see, this single bet was 50+ thousands of USD. 

https://imgur.com/U6znWq2

The second screenshot is the bet history of this bookmaker (BetInAsia) for some years. As you can see I literally make hundreds (sometimes thousands) of bets per year, so it's not humanly possible to remember what I bet where 5 years ago.

https://imgur.com/IwRyZY9

If you want, I can provide year by year screenshots with match details and you will see that I mostly bet football. 

This is of course not the only bookmaker i use, but it is the easiest i can show bet history to you. 

I just don't understand why you need this, what does it prove or not prove. I bet big, most of the time as big as a bookie allows me.

Maybe Fairlay had lower limits 5 years ago, that's why i stopped using it. Maybe I stopped using it because I lost, and I felt unlucky.

I really don't remember. I didnt even visit your website for years. But when i accidently remembered about it, I found out that you have nice limits in live betting.

I decided to deposit a little and try to bet from there. You say the bets are significantly big, but the risk was very small. I only deposited 0.075 BTC and everything else was profit.

Small risk, big reward. 

Fairlay doesn't have a reputation on the market unfortunately, so I considered it a risky bookmaker, so I deposited only a little.

[rohang]

Guy wins some money on a book and they accuse him of fixing whole football games 

So if i lose money on your site can i accuse you of fixing against me ?

Anyhow, i hope fairlay will pursue some legal action against those teams/players.
Put your money and reputation where your mouth is, not just use it to deny winnings to your players.

[SamReomo]

All of those cases could involve match fixing but there is always going to be the "could be" not a clear evidence. The bettor was winning huge amounts and the bookmakers weren't happy with those huge winnings. I know the matches were very suspicious but still it's hard to prove that in actual there was any kind of match fixing involved.

[slaman29]

OP thank you for your response, I not only appreciate it, but I think you have provided good answers and responses.

I believe Fairlay's suggestion to mediate with AskGamblers is the best one, they are known for having an objective view of things. However, I have no idea how their process works, I can only think of them because of past mentions, not from personal experience.

If you both prefer that someone trustworthy from the forum is also helpful, I personally can recommend several people active in gambling and who have handled similar cases, not to mention they are highly knowledgeable about sportsbetting. These are jeremypwr, LFC_Bitcoin, buwaytress, Trofo, cryptofrka.

This is not me saying they will do it, but me saying if anything like this happened to me, I would prefer them more than any moderator or lawyer to assist on my behalf I don't know if they will accept if you request

[Fixelifix]

Looks very suspicious with Ukraine players in the team...

FC Kiffen vs. FC Futura   2.860   FC Kiffen -4.5   100.00   05/12/2024 13:27   186.00   05/12/2024 13:55
FC Kiffen vs. FC Futura   2.840   FC Kiffen -4.5   100.00   05/12/2024 13:27   184.00   05/12/2024 13:55
FC Kiffen vs. FC Futura   2.580   FC Kiffen -4.25   100.00   05/12/2024 13:26   158.00   05/12/2024 13:55
FC Kiffen vs. FC Futura   2.860   FC Kiffen -4.5   100.00   05/12/2024 13:26   186.00   05/12/2024 13:55
FC Kiffen vs. FC Futura   2.700   FC Kiffen -4.25   130.00   05/12/2024 13:25   221.00   05/12/2024 13:55
FC Kiffen vs. FC Futura   2.790   FC Kiffen -4.25   139.00   05/12/2024 13:22   248.81   05/12/2024 13:55

Is that a 0.69 BTC bet?
Who would bet such high amount $46k us dollar in a shitty lower league in Finland?

The bettor must be a wealthy man, average salary in Ukraine is like $500 us dollar a month..

[newfish1]

Looks very suspicious with Ukraine players in the team...

FC Kiffen vs. FC Futura   2.860   FC Kiffen -4.5   100.00   05/12/2024 13:27   186.00   05/12/2024 13:55
FC Kiffen vs. FC Futura   2.840   FC Kiffen -4.5   100.00   05/12/2024 13:27   184.00   05/12/2024 13:55
FC Kiffen vs. FC Futura   2.580   FC Kiffen -4.25   100.00   05/12/2024 13:26   158.00   05/12/2024 13:55
FC Kiffen vs. FC Futura   2.860   FC Kiffen -4.5   100.00   05/12/2024 13:26   186.00   05/12/2024 13:55
FC Kiffen vs. FC Futura   2.700   FC Kiffen -4.25   130.00   05/12/2024 13:25   221.00   05/12/2024 13:55
FC Kiffen vs. FC Futura   2.790   FC Kiffen -4.25   139.00   05/12/2024 13:22   248.81   05/12/2024 13:55

Is that a 0.69 BTC bet?
Who would bet such high amount $46k us dollar in a shitty lower league in Finland?

The bettor must be a wealthy man, average salary in Ukraine is like $500 us dollar a month..

I am sorry, but did you read any of my previous posts?

Ukrainian players argument does not make sense, check these out

1-4 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/07/09/finland/kakkonen/futura/finland-nurmijarven-jalkapalloseura/4032703/

0-3 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/07/15/finland/kakkonen/futura/fc-reipas/4032709/

1-6 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/07/22/finland/kakkonen/pepo/futura/4032714/

0-5 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/07/29/finland/kakkonen/futura/pk-keski-uusimaa-kerava/4032720/

0-5 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/08/05/finland/kakkonen/jippo/futura/4032724/

1-6 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/05/18/finland/kakkonen/pk-35-ry/futura/4032669/

1-5 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/05/31/finland/suomen-cup/pallo-iirot/futura/4075684/


this is the streak of FC Futura just last season (this season has just started) WITHOUT ANY UKRAINIAN PLAYERS

about me being wealthy man, you obviously did not read this post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5498092.msg64142926#msg64142926

per Fairlay's request I have posted a screenshot of my other betting account history, where for example I have a bet of 50 000+ USD Usyk boxing match and annual turnovers of 400 000+ USD only in that account.

So yes, you can consider me wealthy. Does it justify withholding my 0.8 BTC ?

[cryptofrka]

Hey fellas, slaman29 tagged me so just chipping in.

My opinion in these situations is always the same - if a bookie takes the bet, they need to honor the bet.
They have many levers to pull - they can suspend markets, limit the bets, ban accounts.., it is their responsibility to protect themselves.

It's incredibly hard to prove match fixing, and I feel it's the wrong way to approach this case. Was Loris Karius bribed in the Champions League final then?
In amateur leagues all kind of bizarre things happen all the time, and yeah - fixed matches are surely more common. But if somebody's killing you with big bets in Finnish amateur leagues it's your job to find a way around it if you still want to offer these markets.

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Regarding the arbitration - it's my opinion that it needs to be a team of 3-5 people, not a single arbitrator.

[Eternad]

I’m curious about this case, why does only your casino make this match considered firmly as fixed match while other casino doesn’t make an annual like your for the same match. Can you provide proof that other casino marked this same match as highly suspicious as per your opening statement?

It's pretty damn obvious that almost all casinos would find these bets suspicious to be honest which is why proof isn't really required here. Betting on lower level leagues reduces your account health drastically in any sport.

Fairlay clearly pointed out the links in an organised manner which is why op is an a tough situation regardless of whether he was aware of the fixed matches or not. His chances of recovering his money are pretty slim in my opinion.

If this is really damn obvious then why will other casino still grade this match while only Fairlay don’t want to pay to the winning bets? Also there should be a news related to this match fixing if your opinion about being obvious is correct.

I agree that there might some anomaly on the match if you are viewing it as casino perspective since some players is doing shit performance at that match but this happened on other games which unnecessary foul on NBA being given like what happened when SGA foul Luca on their recent playoff match while they are already winning the game. I mean even a great player sometimes do obvious mistakes so this is possible on lower division team.

Fairlay is the only casino strongly claim that this game is match fix including you that’s why I’m asking if has proof that other casino share same opinion since he mention it already.

It’s simple, if the league itself doesn’t consider it as match fixed then it’s very hard to proved the match fixed claim by a body that is not even related to the league.

My opinion in these situations is always the same - if a bookie takes the bet, they need to honor the bet.
They have many levers to pull - they can suspend markets, limit the bets, ban accounts.., it is their responsibility to protect themselves.

Exactly, This is the only casino not honoring bets done on this match.

[newfish1]

Hey fellas, slaman29 tagged me so just chipping in.

My opinion in these situations is always the same - if a bookie takes the bet, they need to honor the bet.
They have many levers to pull - they can suspend markets, limit the bets, ban accounts.., it is their responsibility to protect themselves.

It's incredibly hard to prove match fixing, and I feel it's the wrong way to approach this case. Was Loris Karius bribed in the Champions League final then?
In amateur leagues all kind of bizarre things happen all the time, and yeah - fixed matches are surely more common. But if somebody's killing you with big bets in Finnish amateur leagues it's your job to find a way around it if you still want to offer these markets.
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Regarding the arbitration - it's my opinion that it needs to be a team of 3-5 people, not a single arbitrator.

Hello, thank you for your opinion.

I guess after voicing it, the "bookmaker side of the argument" will not accept you as part of the arbitration panel

After all, you did not bring up the whole "you are Ukrainian, there are Ukrainian players in FC Futura squad, you are guilty, lets take your money" or the "you are betting 40+ thousand on Finnish lower leagues, you are rich, you are guilty, lets take your money" arguments.

For me, it makes much more sense to bet 40k on a Finnish lower league football, following the smart money, than putting even 1k on a roulette table, where the probability is clearly against you.

[Haunebu]

Fairlay is the only casino strongly claim that this game is match fix including you that’s why I’m asking if has proof that other casino share same opinion since he mention it already.

It’s simple, if the league itself doesn’t consider it as match fixed then it’s very hard to proved the match fixed claim by a body that is not even related to the league.

Fairlay has provided substantial proof in order to establish their case which is why I have no idea why some of y'all are asking proof from other casinos. All casinos follow different protocols while assessing bets.

Also, lower level leagues are filled with corrupt officials who are usually involved in these match fixing scandals. Anyway, a proper arbitrator should help resolve this entire mess pretty quickly since you or I could be completely wrong here.

[newfish1]

Fairlay is the only casino strongly claim that this game is match fix including you that’s why I’m asking if has proof that other casino share same opinion since he mention it already.

My opinion in these situations is always the same - if a bookie takes the bet, they need to honor the bet.
They have many levers to pull - they can suspend markets, limit the bets, ban accounts.., it is their responsibility to protect themselves.

Exactly, This is the only casino not honoring bets done on this match.

thank you again for your opinion.

Believe me, the situation is actually much more disturbing.

I haven't even presented my main argument. My goal is not to totally humiliate Fairlay, destroying their reputation, that's why I am still holding my most valuable information back.

And that is exactly why i have privately reached out to Fairlay with a proposal of a (very suitable to both sides) resolution of this (i strongly believe in this) misunderstanding. I am waiting on their response.

[buwaytress]

Also responding to the tag and I feel like cryptofrka summed up how I feel on these issues. The book has controls in place to freeze such markets if flagged, I note that if other books did flag the matches concerned, but graded them anyway.

Evidence of match-fixing is unreasonable to produce, so it is only evidence of pattern and behaviour that can be brought up, leading to reasonable doubt on the customer. I'm not sure if this is the case even then, so I must say without reviewing too much, leaning towards a settlement reflecting honoured bets.

In any case, I feel, if arbitration is to take place then:

- there must be established outcomes to discuss with as clear as possible criteria to determine them.
- there should be at least 3 impartial BTT parties involved as arbitrator, to ensure simple majority decision on outcomes.

P.S. I should mention here also that I was for a period an active Fairlay user myself, no longer, but you might see in their ANN thread I was a semi-regular poster.

[efialtis]

Fairlay reached out to me yesterday morning regarding the arbitration - I haven`t had the chance to look at it deeply myself yet but one of our "sports pros" aka tyKiwanuka looked into this.

Two things right away:

1. I wouldn`t take money just for checking a case and sharing my/our opinion
2. I will share our thoughts during the day
3. Quick and dirty: A betting exchange should never cancel anything

[Rating Place]

As I mentioned in my first message (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5498092.msg64141482#msg64141482), I can only speak for myself and present facts proving my actions were not illegal or even not wrong according to Fairlay's terms and conditions.

Fairlay says that they believe many matches where i had bets on were "fixed".

I am not a member of any football federation, I am also not a member of any law enforcing agency, that is why I can not be 100% sure any game was or was not "fixed".

That is why I can only share with you some of my observations concerning these games.

The first one, and the most obvious - FC Futura

Is one of the main evils in Fairlay's opinion.

I have bets on 3 games with FC Futura involved. 1 game with very big profit (1.1 BTC), and 2 games with very very small profit where the main bets were actually a push (a situation where the result of my bet is a "draw", where I win 0 and lose 0 on a certain bet).

But during the same time period this same team had other games, and the results of those games are

3-7 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2024/04/20/finland/kakkonen/futura/pepo/4323156/

1-6 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2024/05/25/finland/kakkonen/futura/fc-reipas/4323181/

my point is, if I was "fixing" these games, why didn't I try to make money here also? To me the answer is obvious, this team Futura, is just a bad team, they just keep conceding goals with high volume.

They are in last place in their division, 4 points from 7 games, -14 goal difference. That says a lot.

Also, check this out

1-4 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/07/09/finland/kakkonen/futura/finland-nurmijarven-jalkapalloseura/4032703/

0-3 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/07/15/finland/kakkonen/futura/fc-reipas/4032709/

1-6 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/07/22/finland/kakkonen/pepo/futura/4032714/

0-5 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/07/29/finland/kakkonen/futura/pk-keski-uusimaa-kerava/4032720/

0-5 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/08/05/finland/kakkonen/jippo/futura/4032724/

this is their 5 games in a row during last season, and just before those games they had these

1-6 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/05/18/finland/kakkonen/pk-35-ry/futura/4032669/

1-5 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/05/31/finland/suomen-cup/pallo-iirot/futura/4075684/

And Fairlay says that 1-6 they lost on May 12th, a match where i made the most profit is suspicious. For me, it looks like a normal result for this Futura team, especially against one of the best teams in their division.

In their post Fairlay made a big emphasis on the fact that there are many Ukrainian players in FC Futura, and they also mentioned that I am Ukrainian. Fairlay was implying that I had a good opportunity to "fix" the result of Futura's games, because many of the players are the same nationality as I am.

I find these comments and allegations very very concerning, due to these facts:

1. Earlier I listed 7 matches (with proof links) of FC Futura just last season where they lost by big margins (most common 1-6, 0-5, exactly as the match where I won my bets), its is very easy to see that in those matches no Ukrainian players have participated

2. Some of the other allegedly "fixed" games where I have made most money were from the leagues of Brazil and Colombia, for example. No Ukrainian players participated in them.

So why is Fairlay using these incriminations because I am Ukrainian

I admire the Fairlay platform and the whole idea, I think it is very well thought of and made. It is evidently made by IT and Crypto specialists because some of the comments they made in their post about a sport Football are just funny.

Let's look at the video highlights they noted as "prove" of my wrongdoings:
1. 16th minute – FC FUTURA player Bazhan getting a direct red card for unnecessary foul (1:35 in highlights)
well, this one is actually proves that my bet was a good one, as, as posted by Fairlay, i have made my bets after the red card with the odds provided by bookmakers. A Ukrainian betting against a team after a Ukrainian gets a red card ? But according to how bookmakers work, odds are already adjusted after a red card. Everything is correct here

2. 25th minute – FC FUTURA player Moyseev getting a yellow card for unnecessary foul (2:05 in highlights)what is this about? A yellow card in football doesn't mean anything and the resulting free kick evidently did not lead to any danger. If he wanted to "fix" the game, why didn't he get a second yellow card to be ejected? Why post here a simple foul which resulted in no danger and no serious punishment? Just because he is Ukrainian?

3. 29th minute – FC FUTURA player Sinitsyn scoring a rather clumsy own goal (2:25 in highlights) and Also, FC FUTURA goalkeeper Kazakov was not putting much effort in doing his job.
its football, its normal, especially considering this is 3-4-5th Divisions in Finland, these are amateurs. Take a look at this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMS36VyuY1A , all fixed by Ukrainians ?

Seriously, I don't see a single solid piece of evidence that there was anything wrong here. Of course Fairlay can say that FC Futura was fixing games last year also (actually if they check Futura's results from even earlier seasons, they would see the same pattern), but my question is then - Why is FC Futura still playing in the Finland Football Federation sanctioned official tournament. Where there were no arrests, no fines, no investigation, nothing ?

A lot of text from Fairlay, a lot of numbers (some of which are altered in their favor, as proven in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5498092.msg64141508#msg64141508), a lot of links, videos.

But those are all about nothing, just placeholders ...

Thanks for your post and valid points and keeping the discussion civilized despite being accused.  We are still looking for a reputable arbitrator to settle this between us.    

For someone here at BCT I think that holydarkness would be a good arbitrator as he seems to be the main poster in scam accusations.

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Hey fellas, slaman29 tagged me so just chipping in.

My opinion in these situations is always the same - if a bookie takes the bet, they need to honor the bet.
They have many levers to pull - they can suspend markets, limit the bets, ban accounts.., it is their responsibility to protect themselves.

It's incredibly hard to prove match fixing, and I feel it's the wrong way to approach this case. Was Loris Karius bribed in the Champions League final then?
In amateur leagues all kind of bizarre things happen all the time, and yeah - fixed matches are surely more common. But if somebody's killing you with big bets in Finnish amateur leagues it's your job to find a way around it if you still want to offer these markets.

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Regarding the arbitration - it's my opinion that it needs to be a team of 3-5 people, not a single arbitrator.

The problem is, I doubt that fairlay as a site lost any money on these bets since there are a betting exchange and not a bookie.
Maybe they also act as a bookie but I can't verify that since the site doesn't really give a lot of information when you are not a member.
At a betting exchange you play against other players and not against the house. So the main question here is, why can fairlay keep the money when they didn't lose any. Have the players that bet this game and lost have been compensated for their losses? If not, why is that so?

By the way @fairley, quite sending PMs to users here in this forum trying to lure them to your site, I don't appreciate that and it's rather annoying. Since this is a different bitcointalk account but clearly this person is working for you guys ( official fairlay email address ) I assume it is an official representative.