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[ITExpert]

It is better to be the second choice goalkeeper for a big club in Europe than to be first choice goalkeeper in the South African League. He can start as a second choice goalkeeper until he gets the chance to prove himself and takeover the number one spot. You cannot compare the wages, publicity and accomplishments a player can get from playing in the European leagues. Stanley Nwabali just hasn’t received any offer from Europe, I believe he will take it if he gets the opportunity.

Who says he hasn't received offers from Europe? If he is happy in South Africa, then that is his choice. As a first choice goalie , he remains relevant, he gets better with each game he plays in and is more visible for scouts. This is not the case if he is the second choice. In my estimation being second choice as a goalie is the beginning of retirement because you may go a full season with being featured in a match. It is not always about the money.

Every league has its own goalkeeping style but European clubs are really better than all clubs and most everyone wants to play in a European club.  Yes, wherever there is a place in the European club and you feel that you are better and can come to a good position tomorrow, then you must participate. Each player plays with the hope of a European club and the necessary belief that he will prove his improvement and move on to the next good clubs.  No, if he gets a chance, he must go and you will know the difference between this club and Europe club.  But there are some players who feel that money is less in this club and more in European club.  Yes who steps in good clubs to make themselves famous and some also step in for their own development.  If he gets the chance, he should go because by leaving he will get experience and join a new club.

[Oluwa-btc]

When he spoke many criticize him but the streets knew he wasn't speaking bullshit. If I was in the position to chase him away, I'll do that without thinking twice.

Okay so we're the second choice and not the first, if he really wanted to play for us, he would had done that from the begining and not waiting until he gets rejected and now running back to us as a backup option.

That's disgusting and I hope others see that, this isn't nice. We have to reject him so others know that we aren't second best.

Well, too many football fans don't know what it means to support the national team and your country, In my mind, it has to do with putting them as your very first choice from day one. You fail to do that, and you'll never get a chance of playing for your country no more. Wishing things can be done that way.
You've said correctly. I'm certain NFF are just all over this to happen because of the bribe they'll be earning from Tosin. They don't really care about the squad all they want is money so they can influence the decisions of the manager.  It's obviously an irk and I don't want to see another half backed Nigerian joining right now.

[Rruchi man]

Okay so we're the second choice and not the first, if he really wanted to play for us, he would had done that from the begining and not waiting until he gets rejected and now running back to us as a backup option.

In terms of football, we are not the best, so you will not expect every player to be very excited to play for the Super Eagles, especially since they know that we are not the most organized country when it comes to football and they see a very high level of corruption in our football federation. I wouldn't blame him for deciding to see if England would work for him first before Nigeria. Many footballers will choose another country to play for rather than play for Nigeria because, when it comes to management and organization, we are very poor.

I will give you one example of poor organization in our football If you remember correctly, during the last concluded Olympics, there were some funny and embarrassing situations that happened in the Nigerian team where Enekwechi who decided to represent Nigeria in shotput, had only one uniform, or was it where some of our athletes were disqualified due to administrative incompetence from our officials?

Not everyone will be in a hurry to be among this mess.

[Antotena]

Well, too many football fans don't know what it means to support the national team and your country, In my mind, it has to do with putting them as your very first choice from day one. You fail to do that, and you'll never get a chance of playing for your country no more. Wishing things can be done that way.
You've said correctly. I'm certain NFF are just all over this to happen because of the bribe they'll be earning from Tosin. They don't really care about the squad all they want is money so they can influence the decisions of the manager.  It's obviously an irk and I don't want to see another half backed Nigerian joining right now.

I hope the fact that he didn't consider Nigeria national team in the first time can be a game changer for the country. He is not the inky person on that table, even Lookman just decided to join recently despite been in football for years but his presence in the last Afcon made a lot of impact to the team, he was the reason why we really reach the final and now he is doing it again in the qualifiers, so let's hope gentle man makes changes as we expected.

As for the corruption charges, I hope this thing changes, but it's now a norm in the club, get paid less than what you will earn in the squad. That alone will discourage many players that have dream of becoming big starts but I think we are better than Cameroon that are even asking for the players to pay then before they are been employed. Mbape is a clear example of such scenario.

[Alpha Marine]

clearly seen. Let's from here. Yes I am talking about Nigeria National Football Team to the Nigerian Premier League Clubs and most of the players are not meritocracy but nepotism and biased and bribery. A good player is always a good player and it always protect is jurisdiction whenever there is ball possession. Your arguments on Nigerian football team lack merit. Your arguments are from the surface. Mere looking at it, you have to understand something. So you don't know that the financial status of the ex players can affect the present players performance. Good let me give you simple example. If the ex players suffered financially after the retirement of serving the country and when the present players see that, they will put more effort in club side games because it pays well there than the National team. And this has been one the element in the Nigerian National Football Team. They play well in outside more and it is even recently that they are trying when Goodluck gave them some benefits cash rewards and landed properties in 2014 or there about. I don't want to talk too much, I don't know if you are a Nigerian or Ghanian.

What exactly are you saying? Are you saying money is the motivation to play for your national team? C'mon man. If money is the motivation then he shouldn't play at all. The national team is different from the club side. You have a contract with your club side, but you don't have a contract with your national team. The country will take care of you when you want to play for them and you'll receive some bonuses, but players are not paid to play for their country.
This particular player didn't decide to play for Nigeria since, but now that he has seen that there's no chance for him with England, he has chosen to play for Nigeria. Personally, I don't have an issue with that, it's his choice whichever country he wants to play for, but don't make the excuse of finances or bad management or whatever.

Have you seen an ex players suffered? Yes I do. And assuming you are a player in the team and seen your ex colleague in that situation because of improper allowance as of active service so when retired there is nothing to survive, and as a current Players of the team, and there is still improper distribution of allowance, and a club from Europe pays well.

Players suffer after they retire because they played for their national team? You surely cannot believe what you're saying. Is it the responsibility of the national team to take care of them till then retire and even after they retire? Most of these players mismanage funds and get onto several trouble, it has nothing to do with the nation. We've seen Brazilian players like Ronaldinho and Alves get into trouble and have money problems after they retire, their national team wasn't at fault for that, were they?

[SatoPrincess]

Nigerians always have something to complain about. They get paid more than what players from other countries are getting. I don’t think English players get paid for playing for their national team. I’ve read somewhere before that the players donate their national team earnings to charity or something like that. The money players make from their club side is ridiculous and should be enough. I don’t see why money should be the motivation for representing your country.

Playing for your national team is an opportunity for players. It gives the players more exposure and increase their value in the transfer market. For our players, participating in the World Cups gives them the opportunity to showcase their skills to the world.

English players earn about £2,000 per game but all the players have been donating it since 2007 to the England Football Foundation. These funds are then distributed to charities. Most of these players in England play for pride and not for money. However, it would be inappropriate to compare the financial administration of both national teams (Nigeria and England). John Fashanu the former Nigerian-English player once said that he still receives a pension from the English Football Association since he retired. This means that just playing for England makes you entitled to lifelong financial support. We all know how some former Super Eagles players die in misery and poverty because the country has no plan for their future. Some of them were abandoned after they suffered injuries.

If I was a rich player, national team earnings would mean nothing to me. But this shouldn't be a basis to criticise players who play for the money. Playing for the nation is a service to the country but these players might want to gather all they can because NFF has no business with them when they retire.  

Thank you for confirming that English players donate their earnings to charity. I don’t think there is any sort of thing like that in Nigeria. I will not pretend that our financial system is working, any player hoping on pension from the national team will hope in vain because the corruption of our government officials is so bad that they will never do what they are supposed to.

I don’t criticize players who play for money. You can be money minded but not when it comes to your national team. That’s my opinion on the subject. If Victor Osimhen had gone to the Saudi Pro League, he would be making 54 billion naira per season. That kind of player does not need incentive from the government to play for the national team. Other players in the national team may not have that kind of offers or value in the transfer market but they are well paid in their respective clubs, except maybe those playing in African leagues or small teams in Europe.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

Not everyone will be in a hurry to be among this mess.

So it is when they become a reject that they see it fit to be in the mess? We aren't serious as a country if we keep accepting this players and the players need to understand that they have the power too.

If they take the national team serious, our governing body will have to take them serious too. Everyone knows the mess the country is in but there are sectors that are becoming serious because the people in the sector decided to be serious with their craft.

I'm not angry with them for choosing England over Nigeria but what I'm angry about is them falling back to Nigeria when things don't work out for them. They obviously won't be playing for us with their full mind because there mind wasn't here in the first place.

Take players like Victor Osimhen that's home grown and choose Nigeria from the beginning, look at how he plays with all his mind and power for us but others play like we're begging them to put it all there, for the national team.

A footballer with the right mentality won't go broke after playing football for 10/15 years, what are they using all the money that they're getting paid from their club football to do? Party and impress the girls while oppressing their fellow gender. They should invest for their future and stop using pension as excuse to neglect their country.

[Agbe]

clearly seen. Let's from here. Yes I am talking about Nigeria National Football Team to the Nigerian Premier League Clubs and most of the players are not meritocracy but nepotism and biased and bribery. A good player is always a good player and it always protect is jurisdiction whenever there is ball possession. Your arguments on Nigerian football team lack merit. Your arguments are from the surface. Mere looking at it, you have to understand something. So you don't know that the financial status of the ex players can affect the present players performance. Good let me give you simple example. If the ex players suffered financially after the retirement of serving the country and when the present players see that, they will put more effort in club side games because it pays well there than the National team. And this has been one the element in the Nigerian National Football Team. They play well in outside more and it is even recently that they are trying when Goodluck gave them some benefits cash rewards and landed properties in 2014 or there about. I don't want to talk too much, I don't know if you are a Nigerian or Ghanian.

What exactly are you saying? Are you saying money is the motivation to play for your national team? C'mon man. If money is the motivation then he shouldn't play at all. The national team is different from the club side. You have a contract with your club side, but you don't have a contract with your national team. The country will take care of you when you want to play for them and you'll receive some bonuses, but players are not paid to play for their country.
This particular player didn't decide to play for Nigeria since, but now that he has seen that there's no chance for him with England, he has chosen to play for Nigeria. Personally, I don't have an issue with that, it's his choice whichever country he wants to play for, but don't make the excuse of finances or bad management or whatever.

Since you're not conversat with what is happening in the country let me show you some the stories. Nigeria’s Players Have Enlisted Help to Ensure They Get Paid and 12bn for Salaries, there are more even from other countries. I don't argue with those who are not orature oriented. There are some basic things we don't have someone to tell us but ordinary, we supposed know than and if it happens and someone tells us and we don't know then we needs to do some research to see if there would be any information about. I don't argue vague... I have seen a retired Super Eagles players suffered till died. Well I wouldn't blame you because not all information are known to all. If you don't even your child will not be happy with you if they do something for you and you didn't give them money because that amount you give them base on the work motivate them to do well. There is different between allowance/salary and bonus. Bonus might be a promised by an individual or from the leaders but the allowance is untouchable. The players mind are on it to settle things. And if the bonus comes extra projects and budget would be fixed again.

[SatoPrincess]

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What does it mean to be “orature oriented”? And what does that have to do with the topic? A difference in opinion is not an attack. You keep repeating that you have seen a former Super Eagles player suffer until he died. And yet you have refused to tell us the name of the Super Eagles player, I believe even if I don’t know the player other people here will know who the player is.

[Agbe]

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What does it mean to be “orature oriented”? And what does that have to do with the topic? A difference in opinion is not an attack. You keep repeating that you have seen a former Super Eagles player suffer until he died. And yet you have refused to tell us the name of the Super Eagles player, I believe even if I don’t know the player other people here will know who the player is.

I still have another case at somewhere but let me settle your own first. A good day will tell that one.


Source: National Newspaper 20023 blog. I don't argue what I have not heard and seen. Now let me come back again to the motivational aspect of the players. He died because of lack of money. Now money should be a motivational factor for players? Well I discovered that logical argument... I said so because you and some guys were on my neck for some times but I am starting to like you now. I will meet you on face off one day in reality. I love such proficiency scholars.

[Alpha Marine]

Since you're not conversat with what is happening in the country let me show you some the stories. Nigeria’s Players Have Enlisted Help to Ensure They Get Paid and 12bn for Salaries, there are more even from other countries. I don't argue with those who are not orature oriented. There are some basic things we don't have someone to tell us but ordinary, we supposed know than and if it happens and someone tells us and we don't know then we needs to do some research to see if there would be any information about. I don't argue vague... I have seen a retired Super Eagles players suffered till died. Well I wouldn't blame you because not all information are known to all. If you don't even your child will not be happy with you if they do something for you and you didn't give them money because that amount you give them base on the work motivate them to do well. There is different between allowance/salary and bonus. Bonus might be a promised by an individual or from the leaders but the allowance is untouchable. The players mind are on it to settle things. And if the bonus comes extra projects and budget would be fixed again.

Take it easy man. I don't know why you're being so aggressive about this. I struggle to make sense of what you're saying. It's common knowledge that players don't get paid salaries for playing in their national teams. They get paid allowances. Most national teams pay per match played. You talk about not arguing vaguely, but that's exactly what you're doing.

This is a screenshot from the Guardian article you posted. I doubt you read it or if you did, you just don't comprehend.

You can see that the salaries are for coaches and staff while players its "allowances".
I have never seen a single national team that pays its players salaries to play for them. Salaries are paid weekly or monthly and in football, only clubs do that, National teams do that.
I have also never seen a play that refused to play for a certain country because the money is small or because they don't get paid salaries.
Money has never been a motivation when choosing a national team to represent, because compared to the salaries these players earn in Europe, the allowances they will get for representing any national team doesn't scratch the surface.

Speaking of players suffering to death because of lack of money. How exactly is that the country's fault? You can only call out the country if he was not compensated while playing. Footballers don't receive pensions from their countries, so how are you blaming the country for a player who went broke after retirement? It's like blaming the club(s) he played for. How is that the club's fault?
I can't blame players of the old days if they go broke because they didn't earn as much as players these days and also there was not much awareness of how they could invest their money and secure their future, but in this age of football, any footballer that plays in Europe for most of his career goes broke after retirement, he has nobody but himself to blame.

[Miles2006]

Money has never been a motivation when choosing a national team to represent, because compared to the salaries these players earn in Europe, the allowances they will get for representing any national team doesn't scratch the surface.

Speaking of players suffering to death because of lack of money. How exactly is that the country's fault? You can only call out the country if he was not compensated while playing. Footballers don't receive pensions from their countries, so how are you blaming the country for a player who went broke after retirement? It's like blaming the club(s) he played for. How is that the club's fault?
I can't blame players of the old days if they go broke because they didn't earn as much as players these days and also there was not much awareness of how they could invest their money and secure their future, but in this age of football, any footballer that plays in Europe for most of his career goes broke after retirement, he has nobody but himself to blame.

Who should we blame now?? This argument is not necessary tho we all know those in charge can implement any rule at any time. Saying footballers don’t get the opportunity to receive pension is just like the law stands forever. Not every player plays international games besides we cannot compare what they receive when playing for international teams but still they should enjoy every benefit the country can offer, aside Nigeria team this is a general matter that needs more attention.
You’re right, we can’t blame the country or anyone but this issue keeps coming up and I will not be surprised if I see another story concerning this issue either football related or not, let’s not start making comparison but rather let’s call a spade a spade. Surprising how someone who played for a county died due to lack of money, I don’t know the time and how the player in question played during his time and this is enough reason one should secure their wealth.

[Agbe]

You talk about not arguing vaguely, but that's exactly what you're doing.

No problem. What is the meaning of "basic payment"?

Source go and browse
This is Nigeria not England or Brazil. I can see that you read back of the text and not the front. I don't know if you read Die_empty comment above. Well I can see the vague argument has started. But I will want you to define "Basic Payment" so we will know if Nigerian Super Eagles players received Basic Payment or not.

[SatoPrincess]

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The player you mentioned is not familiar to me. I did my research and found that Emmanuel Ebeide only had three appearances for the national team. He spent most of his career playing in the NPFL and UAE. I know the local teams in the NPFL do not play well, but his wages in the UAE clubs he played should have been enough to set him up for life. We cannot know what really happened with the player’s earnings but you can’t put that on the national team.

You talk about not arguing vaguely, but that's exactly what you're doing.

No problem. What is the meaning of "basic payment"?

Source go and browse
This is Nigeria not England or Brazil. I can see that you read back of the text and not the front. I don't know if you read Die_empty comment above. Well I can see the vague argument has started. But I will want you to define "Basic Payment" so we will know if Nigerian Super Eagles players received Basic Payment or not.

I couldn’t help but laugh when I read this post. How can your source be ‘go and browse’ lol.

[Ojima-ojo]

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What does it mean to be “orature oriented”? And what does that have to do with the topic? A difference in opinion is not an attack. You keep repeating that you have seen a former Super Eagles player suffer until he died. And yet you have refused to tell us the name of the Super Eagles player, I believe even if I don’t know the player other people here will know who the player is.

I still have another case at somewhere but let me settle your own first. A good day will tell that one.


Source: National Newspaper 20023 blog. I don't argue what I have not heard and seen. Now let me come back again to the motivational aspect of the players. He died because of lack of money. Now money should be a motivational factor for players? Well I discovered that logical argument... I said so because you and some guys were on my neck for some times but I am starting to like you now. I will meet you on face off one day in reality. I love such proficiency scholars.

Definitely many old players we not so rich and suffered alot of set backs because of their inability to raise money to solve some life threatening illness most especially at old age, that is why, some of the young new players are doing everything possible to excape that long term reality of the old players by trying to make as much money as they can while their are still young.


The reason you see them jumping from one offer to another, all with the aims of having the best offers, and some of them are even neglecting or better still avoiding national team to their clubs enganment all because of the monetary advantages attached to those club's engagement.

[Franctoshi]

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The player you mentioned is not familiar to me. I did my research and found that Emmanuel Ebeide only had three appearances for the national team. He spent most of his career playing in the NPFL and UAE. I know the local teams in the NPFL do not play well, but his wages in the UAE clubs he played should have been enough to set him up for life. We cannot know what really happened with the player’s earnings but you can’t put that on the national team.

You talk about not arguing vaguely, but that's exactly what you're doing.

No problem. What is the meaning of "basic payment"?

Source go and browse
This is Nigeria not England or Brazil. I can see that you read back of the text and not the front. I don't know if you read Die_empty comment above. Well I can see the vague argument has started. But I will want you to define "Basic Payment" so we will know if Nigerian Super Eagles players received Basic Payment or not.

I couldn’t help but laugh when I read this post. How can your source be ‘go and browse’ lol.

Yes Even to me, I'm not very familiar with the said player name ,despite watching the super eagle team style of football those late 90s.
Sometimes the way these national heroes are treated by the government isn't encouraging at all, that why if you checked, we have some Nigerian players who nationalised and playing for England.

However, another case here that this player could be left like this is mismanagement of funds when they had access to much funds, they failed to plan for their future and their retirement age, and end up living a lavishing life, why would a player of this honour had to suffer difficulties of funds and without being able to pay up his hospital bill.

[ITExpert]

Yes Even to me, I'm not very familiar with the said player name ,despite watching the super eagle team style of football those late 90s.
Sometimes the way these national heroes are treated by the government isn't encouraging at all, that why if you checked, we have some Nigerian players who nationalised and playing for England.

However, another case here that this player could be left like this is mismanagement of funds when they had access to much funds, they failed to plan for their future and their retirement age, and end up living a lavishing life, why would a player of this honour had to suffer difficulties of funds and without being able to pay up his hospital bill.

I think Every sportsman has some quality and some fault. If he has played 3 times, then he has done something wrong due to which he could not play again. Yes, this shows how strongly the player played, which led to him being put in a club where teams did not play well.  If he has played wrongly, the team he is in will be called wrong.  You also know how hard that player used to put him there.  No, something should be done with this player because he should get one chance to prove himself again whether he can be a good player or not.  If he cannot go through these problems in his life, then he should leave the sport or work hard to become a good sportsman.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

However, another case here that this player could be left like this is mismanagement of funds when they had access to much funds, they failed to plan for their future and their retirement age, and end up living a lavishing life, why would a player of this honour had to suffer difficulties of funds and without being able to pay up his hospital bill.

99% true and let's not act like Nigeria owes them anything because they would had been paid for their service to the country.

They get bonuses and other special treatments so they shouldn't be entitled to anything unless there's a retirement plan that they should be entitled to provided by the government.

Most of the players are very entitled, look at Okocha still hustling everyday and yet there's some unknown one, thinking they deserved to be treated as kings.

I don't wish anyone bad but good health still, we should be more responsible for our retirement lifestyle. We should be planning how our retirement ages will be like. Plan for the future and you won't be left feeling left out.

[Stepstowealth]

Most of the players are very entitled, look at Okocha still hustling everyday and yet there's some unknown one, thinking they deserved to be treated as kings.

Okocha is one example, I still see Kanu Nwankwo hustling, and other players like Ahmed Musa who we hear have invested heavily into real estate. These are example of a few players who realised early the need to invest the money they make while they are still playing. And then even though there can be arguments that the footballer of these days earn lesser, is footballer during this time can still squander the money they have and I will not blame the government for not paying attention to them after they have been settled for a couple of years as players in the super eagles.

[Rockstarguy]

Most of the players are very entitled, look at Okocha still hustling everyday and yet there's some unknown one, thinking they deserved to be treated as kings.

Okocha is one example, I still see Kanu Nwankwo hustling, and other players like Ahmed Musa who we hear have invested heavily into real estate. These are example of a few players who realised early the need to invest the money they make while they are still playing. And then even though there can be arguments that the footballer of these days earn lesser, is footballer during this time can still squander the money they have and I will not blame the government for not paying attention to them after they have been settled for a couple of years as players in the super eagles.

That's football for you, when you get retired their is nothing coming in for you, it is either you get money from what you have  invested over the years or you get money from promoting services. Footballers they have good carreer that they are being payed very well both in national teams and international but I don't know if I should say some footballers gets carried away to invest while they are still working on their career and once they get retired they become so broke because of no money is coming in just like the way it used to be.

Most football retiree you see today living well is because they made good plans for themselves,  it is not as if the government is giving them a certain amount of money as allowance.