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[lionheart78]

No offense to anyone, this is just based on my own experience. I noticed that I’m more satisfied when I withdraw a bigger amount instead of small wins every time. That’s why now, I’m thinking of withdrawing maybe once a week on average, instead of doing it too often.

I am also one of thlse who fancy big amount withdrawal, it is also the main reason why I target 5x to 10x amount of my deposit as my gambling session winning goal and the sign to end my gambling session whenever i hit such target winning goal. 

Withdrawing big amount of money is very satisfying I bet no one will argue with that 😁.

[gunhell16]

I think sometimes you really have to adjust your habits a bit, because if you keep withdrawing every time you win, honestly it just adds more stress in the long run. I get it, we all want to cash out as soon as we win since it gives that quick feeling of fulfillment, like “okay, I got something.”

But then later, you realize you’ll probably deposit again just to keep gambling, and that’s where the problem starts, because next time you might not even be lucky anymore. So in the end, it kind of feels like a waste of time, going in circles.

It's about withdraw your profit from bets, not withdraw all money in your gambling account as far as I understood this idea. Like you deposit $200 for bets and after a while, you manage to win for increasing the fund to $250 or $300, you can withdraw your $50 or $100 as profit and save it somewhere beyond the casino. You will still have the initial gambling fund $200 for future bets without need of deposit any extra money.

It's helpful for gamblers to be disciplined and self-controlled their max gambling fund and won't exceed it while when they have profit, they save it for avoiding over betting with both initial fund and temporary profit.

This principle can be applied for trading and generally, if gamblers or traders can do it well, it's good risk and capital management.

Well, you’re right about that because this is exactly what we gamblers should be doing, and we can only achieve this if we truly have self-discipline. It sounds so simple to do, but why is it that most casino players just can’t seem to manage it?

It’s because a positive mindset always dominates their thoughts to the point where they no longer consider the losses they might experience once they start playing. If we all just thought this way, I’m certain there wouldn't be any gambling addicts.

[aleks86]

You are right that safe and fast withdrawals are the most important thing, maybe I just often withdraw small amounts so it makes me think that $1 is a high amount, I rarely deposit more than $50, sometimes even less than $15 when withdrawing only winning a little, the withdrawal fee feels a little painful LOL

I think sometimes you really have to adjust your habits a bit, because if you keep withdrawing every time you win, honestly it just adds more stress in the long run. I get it, we all want to cash out as soon as we win since it gives that quick feeling of fulfillment, like “okay, I got something.”

But then later, you realize you’ll probably deposit again just to keep gambling, and that’s where the problem starts, because next time you might not even be lucky anymore. So in the end, it kind of feels like a waste of time, going in circles.

No offense to anyone, this is just based on my own experience. I noticed that I’m more satisfied when I withdraw a bigger amount instead of small wins every time. That’s why now, I’m thinking of withdrawing maybe once a week on average, instead of doing it too often.

Since 2up.io doesn't pay out large balances, you absolutely shouldn't do this. When my balance reached its highest level in my history, they immediately closed my account. So, 2up.io is a scam and you shouldn't play there. You should choose a different casino.

[gunhell16]

You are right that safe and fast withdrawals are the most important thing, maybe I just often withdraw small amounts so it makes me think that $1 is a high amount, I rarely deposit more than $50, sometimes even less than $15 when withdrawing only winning a little, the withdrawal fee feels a little painful LOL

I think sometimes you really have to adjust your habits a bit, because if you keep withdrawing every time you win, honestly it just adds more stress in the long run. I get it, we all want to cash out as soon as we win since it gives that quick feeling of fulfillment, like “okay, I got something.”

But then later, you realize you’ll probably deposit again just to keep gambling, and that’s where the problem starts, because next time you might not even be lucky anymore. So in the end, it kind of feels like a waste of time, going in circles.

No offense to anyone, this is just based on my own experience. I noticed that I’m more satisfied when I withdraw a bigger amount instead of small wins every time. That’s why now, I’m thinking of withdrawing maybe once a week on average, instead of doing it too often.

That's a valid point, man. While some people may completely disagree with your post, others may understand what you're expressing. However, you make a valid point. You're right; if you're going to deposit anyhow, it's best to keep your first wagering money separate and remove as soon as you've saved up, say, $100 in profits.

Don't touch it until you reach that withdrawal goal, though, to avoid appearing inexperienced. Dude, I completely understand what you're saying. Of course, people will do whatever makes them happy; we’re just here to give them a heads-up.

[impulse709]

You are right that safe and fast withdrawals are the most important thing, maybe I just often withdraw small amounts so it makes me think that $1 is a high amount, I rarely deposit more than $50, sometimes even less than $15 when withdrawing only winning a little, the withdrawal fee feels a little painful LOL

I think sometimes you really have to adjust your habits a bit, because if you keep withdrawing every time you win, honestly it just adds more stress in the long run. I get it, we all want to cash out as soon as we win since it gives that quick feeling of fulfillment, like “okay, I got something.”

But then later, you realize you’ll probably deposit again just to keep gambling, and that’s where the problem starts, because next time you might not even be lucky anymore. So in the end, it kind of feels like a waste of time, going in circles.

No offense to anyone, this is just based on my own experience. I noticed that I’m more satisfied when I withdraw a bigger amount instead of small wins every time. That’s why now, I’m thinking of withdrawing maybe once a week on average, instead of doing it too often.

I fully realize what you are talking about. Depositing little deposits here and there will be enjoyable in short term but in long term it can prove to be stressful since you constantly deposit and hunt wins. It is much more rewarding to wait to withdraw after accumulation of a larger profit. It is also prudent to separate your first gambling funds and your gains- it is easier to make decisions out of those and keep everything in order. Each person will have their own withdrawal style, although it is less stressful and enjoyable as a whole with strategic planning of the process.

That's a valid point, man. While some people may completely disagree with your post, others may understand what you're expressing. However, you make a valid point. You're right; if you're going to deposit anyhow, it's best to keep your first wagering money separate and remove as soon as you've saved up, say, $100 in profits.

Don't touch it until you reach that withdrawal goal, though, to avoid appearing inexperienced. Dude, I completely understand what you're saying. Of course, people will do whatever makes them happy; we’re just here to give them a heads-up.

[MusaMohamed]

Well, you’re right about that because this is exactly what we gamblers should be doing, and we can only achieve this if we truly have self-discipline. It sounds so simple to do, but why is it that most casino players just can’t seem to manage it?

It’s because a positive mindset always dominates their thoughts to the point where they no longer consider the losses they might experience once they start playing. If we all just thought this way, I’m certain there wouldn't be any gambling addicts.

Doing things responsibly is really hard for most of us as we are mostly not too disciplined while being lazy and acting carelessly and arbitrarily is more easy to do. It's same from investment, trading to gambling, the majority are doing these thing irresponsibly that leads to common results that most people are losers while only the minority can be winners and have profit in long term.

With bets on casinos, people mostly do their bets in irresponsible ways and lose money but even if they gamble responsibly, it won't guarantee that they will get profit in long term. It only minimizes their risk of losing too much, too big money and with too fast losing rate.

[mirakal]

With bets on casinos, people mostly do their bets in irresponsible ways and lose money but even if they gamble responsibly, it won't guarantee that they will get profit in long term. It only minimizes their risk of losing too much, too big money and with too fast losing rate.

How do you know that, do you actually have stats to support it?

When you say it’s done in irresponsible ways, and considering the huge number of gamblers out there, the government would’ve already been alarmed and probably banned gambling outright if it was really that bad. Irresponsible gambling leading to easy addiction, so it will create a serious problem.

That’s why I kind of disagree with that statement. It feels too general without solid data behind it.

[lionheart78]

With bets on casinos, people mostly do their bets in irresponsible ways and lose money but even if they gamble responsibly, it won't guarantee that they will get profit in long term. It only minimizes their risk of losing too much, too big money and with too fast losing rate.

How do you know that, do you actually have stats to support it?

The knowledge that responsible gambling does not guarantee a profit in a long term and only minimizes the risk of losing too much can be acquired through personal experience and observation of other gambler. We do not need to conduct any survery to prove that the statement have sense on it.  We can just read the newspapers and online experience of gambling addicts, gambling enthusiast and even in our own experience.

When you say it’s done in irresponsible ways, and considering the huge number of gamblers out there, the government would’ve already been alarmed and probably banned gambling outright if it was really that bad. Irresponsible gambling leading to easy addiction, so it will create a serious problem.

That’s why I kind of disagree with that statement. It feels too general without solid data behind it.

The government is already aware about the problem with irresponsible gambling, and that is the reason why the government launches different gambler care programs that encourage gambler to gamble responsibly.

Although you do not agree with @MusaMohamed statement, I, in contrary thinks that his statement about responsible gambling makes a lot of sense.

[gunhell16]

The government is already aware about the problem with irresponsible gambling, and that is the reason why the government launches different gambler care programs that encourage gambler to gamble responsibly.

Although you do not agree with @MusaMohamed statement, I, in contrary thinks that his statement about responsible gambling makes a lot of sense.

Well, I agree with what @MusaMohamed statement. That's why in every casino even though they use different platforms the majority of players really do end up losing, which relates to your point about people betting irresponsibly. I suppose I’m also one of those players who frequently ends up losing in the end.

And you’re also right that even when we gamble responsibly, we still lose. Though, in my opinion, the only real difference between us and others is that we accept the loss
and are truly willing to face the consequences of our gambling.

[lionheart78]

Well, I agree with what @MusaMohamed statement. That's why in every casino even though they use different platforms the majority of players really do end up losing, which relates to your point about people betting irresponsibly. I suppose I’m also one of those players who frequently ends up losing in the end.

But have you visited this thread: We don’t win because we’re never satisfied with winning.  I think what is stated in this thread makes sense.  I play on 2up.io and am able to make my bankroll up to 3x. I was not satisfied with the win and aim to get at least 5x of my bankroll, then end the session.  But that 5x bankroll win never came, instead, I emptied my bankroll, and my fault is that due to wanting that big hit, I increased my base bet to 4x, which hastened my session and ended up with an empty bankroll.

And you’re also right that even when we gamble responsibly, we still lose. Though, in my opinion, the only real difference between us and others is that we accept the loss
and are truly willing to face the consequences of our gambling.

Yeah, we must accept our losses and move on else we will be trapped with revenge gambling and will worsen our financial situation. We must be responsible and accept whatever outcome of our gambling engagement.

[stadus]

But have you visited this thread: We don’t win because we’re never satisfied with winning. 

The thread really looks like it’s coming from the OP’s real experience, and that’s why it’s relatable to most of us here.

I think what is stated in this thread makes sense.  I play on 2up.io and am able to make my bankroll up to 3x. I was not satisfied with the win and aim to get at least 5x of my bankroll, then end the session.  But that 5x bankroll win never came, instead, I emptied my bankroll, and my fault is that due to wanting that big hit, I increased my base bet to 4x, which hastened my session and ended up with an empty bankroll.

If we’re playing with a small bankroll, that’s usually the mindset. For example, if I play slots with just $10, I won’t stop until I try to make it at least $100. That’s already x10 from the original capital. But realistically, the chances are very low unless you get really lucky, especially with low RTP slots. So no matter how we look at it, in the long run we still lose. We might hit big once in a while, but that doesn’t mean we can do it consistently.

In sports betting it makes more sense because there’s analysis involved, but even there I end up risking a bigger bankroll. So either way, the risk is always there.

[khaled0111]

Well, I agree with what @MusaMohamed statement. That's why in every casino even though they use different platforms the majority of players really do end up losing, which relates to your point about people betting irresponsibly. I suppose I’m also one of those players who frequently ends up losing in the end.

I also believe that what Musa said is likely to be correct alrhugh there is no data or stats to back it. However, the discussion here is not about how many gamblers end up losing in general (because this is a fact that doesn’t need to be proven) but more aboit how many gamblers end up losing more than what they can afford to lose because of playing irresponsibly.
Based on what I have observed on my own entourage, many gamblers lack gambling awareness and that why I agreed with what Musa said.

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If we’re playing with a small bankroll, that’s usually the mindset. For example, if I play slots with just $10, I won’t stop until I try to make it at least $100. That’s already x10 from the original capital. But realistically, the chances are very low unless you get really lucky, especially with low RTP slots. So no matter how we look at it, in the long run we still lose. We might hit big once in a while, but that doesn’t mean we can do it consistently.

In sports betting it makes more sense because there’s analysis involved, but even there I end up risking a bigger bankroll. So either way, the risk is always there.

To this day I have never felt optimistic that slots could make me as lucky as others in terms of winning - even if there are some slots with high RTPs that are worth trying. Slot games are very easy - but they are also often annoying, tending to waste time and money if you don't limit the amount you spend. One lucky person will try to advise anyone how to approach his playing on slots - but others are very likely to not be as lucky as him.

I agree with sports betting - it tends to be reasonable to expect a win, especially on the favorite team in the game. We know that betting on a favorite team won't bring a big win to a bettor - but the thrill of winning is there, even if one loss can erase several previous wins.

[gunhell16]

Well, I agree with what @MusaMohamed statement. That's why in every casino even though they use different platforms the majority of players really do end up losing, which relates to your point about people betting irresponsibly. I suppose I’m also one of those players who frequently ends up losing in the end.

But have you visited this thread: We don’t win because we’re never satisfied with winning.  I think what is stated in this thread makes sense.  I play on 2up.io and am able to make my bankroll up to 3x. I was not satisfied with the win and aim to get at least 5x of my bankroll, then end the session.  But that 5x bankroll win never came, instead, I emptied my bankroll, and my fault is that due to wanting that big hit, I increased my base bet to 4x, which hastened my session and ended up with an empty bankroll.

And you’re also right that even when we gamble responsibly, we still lose. Though, in my opinion, the only real difference between us and others is that we accept the loss
and are truly willing to face the consequences of our gambling.

Yeah, we must accept our losses and move on else we will be trapped with revenge gambling and will worsen our financial situation. We must be responsible and accept whatever outcome of our gambling engagement.

Dude, I'm sorry to hear that your bankroll run out. However, I wish you had simply savored the experience without anticipating anything. Both of us are aware that having great expectations simply serves to damage your feelings, as appears to have happened to you.

At least we enjoyed the game they provided us with, regardless of whether we hit that five times or not. As a fellow gambler here, you continue to have my regard.

[khaled0111]

That's a valid point, man. While some people may completely disagree with your post, others may understand what you're expressing. However, you make a valid point. You're right; if you're going to deposit anyhow, it's best to keep your first wagering money separate and remove as soon as you've saved up, say, $100 in profits.

Keeping in your account balance only the money you already have planned to spend on gambling and withdrawing the excess, is not only a good idea but also an essentiel part of proper budget management.
Some casinos offer a vault feature which helps you achieve the same goal since it allows you to keep the excess in a vault (lock it) so you don’t spend it and the advantage of this feature is that also helps you save on withdrawal fees (keep in mind that keeping your coins in a custodial wallet for a long period is not recommended!).