[RESURRECTION] Taking Beecoin to the Hive Flying!MANDATORY Client Update!

[cryptohunter]

we should bring back the beecoin logo as well ...i liked it... if we could just make it look a little more pro that would be cool. Are there any graphic designers in the bee community?

[quovadiz]

Do people not realize how inferior X11 is to Blake256?

I wouldn't pick something just because it's trending.  

Blake-256(optimized) is faster than Scrypt, SHA-256D, Keccak  

It is also incredibly energy efficient, and provides Nvidia card owners an equal chance.

The algorithm was written as a candidate for SHA-3, Based on round one candidate code from the Sphlib 2.1 library and reduced the round function to 8 rounds.

Advantages

Design
• simplicity of the algorithm
• interface for hashing with a salt

Performance
• fast in both software and hardware
• parallelism and throughput/area trade-off for hardware implementation
• simple speed/confidence trade-off with the tunable number of rounds

Security
• based on an intensively analyzed component (ChaCha)
• resistant to generic second-preimage attacks
• resistant to side-channel attacks
• resistant to length-extension

Blake is the fastest !

• 3.4GH/s on a AMD Radeon R9 290X
• 5.1GH/s on a AMD ATI Radeon 7990
• 2.2GH/s - 2.8GH/s on a AMD ATI Radeon 7970
• 1.4GH/s on a AMD ATI Radeon 6970
• 1.3GH/s on a AMD ATI Radeon 5870
• 1.6GH/s on a ZTEX USB-FPGA 1.15y Quad Spartan-6 LX150 Development Board
• 1.5GH/s on a Enterpoint Cairnsmore 1 Quad Spartan-6 LX150 Development Board
• 800MH/s on a Lancelot Dual Spartan-6 LX150 Development Board
• 360MH/s on a ZTEX USB-FPGA 1.15x Spartan-6 LX150 Development Board

Do you guys really want Beecoin to die again?  Make the right choice before it's too late!

Waterfall algorithms are insecure and inferior.

The miner for X11 is not optimized.  People have much faster miners than the ones that are available to the public.

You are right... It's right for that i asked to the dev to change my vote for Blake256 w PoS...
Here is a good interesting article to read abt it...
http://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1xue3t/blakecoin_blake256_optimized_faster_than_scrypt/
I already tuned one of my rig to test it and the results are excellent...
4 x 7950 undervolted to 1.081v, core 1010, mem 1250, "The Stilt" optimized bios:
Scrypt => 2450 Khash/s, power 845W at wall, fan 55%, temps 60/65°C
Blake256 => 8300 Mhash/s, power 690W at wall, fan 50%, temps 55/60°C (@memclock 300MHz!)
Not last it will be supported by the next ver of CudaMiner... So GTX 750Ti will give us a chance do save energy for an additional 40%... not bad...
Let us switch away from dead Scrypt...

[cryptohunter]

Do people not realize how inferior X11 is to Blake256?

I wouldn't pick something just because it's trending.  

Blake-256(optimized) is faster than Scrypt, SHA-256D, Keccak  

It is also incredibly energy efficient, and provides Nvidia card owners an equal chance.

The algorithm was written as a candidate for SHA-3, Based on round one candidate code from the Sphlib 2.1 library and reduced the round function to 8 rounds.

Advantages

Design
• simplicity of the algorithm
• interface for hashing with a salt

Performance
• fast in both software and hardware
• parallelism and throughput/area trade-off for hardware implementation
• simple speed/confidence trade-off with the tunable number of rounds

Security
• based on an intensively analyzed component (ChaCha)
• resistant to generic second-preimage attacks
• resistant to side-channel attacks
• resistant to length-extension

Blake is the fastest !

• 3.4GH/s on a AMD Radeon R9 290X
• 5.1GH/s on a AMD ATI Radeon 7990
• 2.2GH/s - 2.8GH/s on a AMD ATI Radeon 7970
• 1.4GH/s on a AMD ATI Radeon 6970
• 1.3GH/s on a AMD ATI Radeon 5870
• 1.6GH/s on a ZTEX USB-FPGA 1.15y Quad Spartan-6 LX150 Development Board
• 1.5GH/s on a Enterpoint Cairnsmore 1 Quad Spartan-6 LX150 Development Board
• 800MH/s on a Lancelot Dual Spartan-6 LX150 Development Board
• 360MH/s on a ZTEX USB-FPGA 1.15x Spartan-6 LX150 Development Board

Do you guys really want Beecoin to die again?  Make the right choice before it's too late!

Waterfall algorithms are insecure and inferior.

The miner for X11 is not optimized.  People have much faster miners than the ones that are available to the public.

You are right... It's right for that i asked to the dev to change my vote for Blake256 w PoS...
Here is a good interesting article to read abt it...
http://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1xue3t/blakecoin_blake256_optimized_faster_than_scrypt/
I already tuned one of my rig to test it and the results are excellent...
4 x 7950 undervolted to 1.081v, core 1010, mem 1250, "The Stilt" optimized bios:
Scrypt => 2450 Khash/s, power 845W at wall, fan 55%, temps 60/65°C
Blake256 => 8300 Mhash/s, power 690W at wall, fan 50%, temps 55/60°C (@memclock 300MHz!)
Not last it will be supported by the next ver of CudaMiner... So GTX 750Ti will give us a chance do save energy for an additional 40%... not bad...
Let us switch away from dead Scrypt...

Hey thanks for that comparison so we are saying almost 1/3 less electricity than scrypt. Can you please compare x11 to blake in terms of electricity too?  scrypt is a resource hog for sure but how does blake go against x11?

[GREEDYJOHN]

WE NEED TO COMPARE x11 AND BLAKE256 IN TERMS OF ELECTRICITY CONSUMPTION.

[Dotcommie]

Since X11 has Blake already I believe adding POS will be an option or going ahead with solely Blake + POS , that's to decide.

Currently there's alot of Coins switching to X11 , but then we always don't have to go with the flow.

It's for the community to decide , I'm up for anything.

~SoopY~

People argue that x11 has asic miners, but that blake256 is NVIDIA compliant.

NVidia compliance is a good selling point for blake256.

A hybrid coin may even sell better, if that were possible.

No worries, X11 for Nvidia is right around the corner.  I think I voted x11 and don't care either way since it already has blake in it as soopy said.

I've got all Nvidia cards(18 of them), so trust me, x11 will be fine and probably preferred to run on nvidia for a while after the release. Give it a week or two.

[quovadiz]

Do people not realize how inferior X11 is to Blake256?

I wouldn't pick something just because it's trending.  

Blake-256(optimized) is faster than Scrypt, SHA-256D, Keccak  

It is also incredibly energy efficient, and provides Nvidia card owners an equal chance.

The algorithm was written as a candidate for SHA-3, Based on round one candidate code from the Sphlib 2.1 library and reduced the round function to 8 rounds.

Advantages

Design
• simplicity of the algorithm
• interface for hashing with a salt

Performance
• fast in both software and hardware
• parallelism and throughput/area trade-off for hardware implementation
• simple speed/confidence trade-off with the tunable number of rounds

Security
• based on an intensively analyzed component (ChaCha)
• resistant to generic second-preimage attacks
• resistant to side-channel attacks
• resistant to length-extension

Blake is the fastest !

• 3.4GH/s on a AMD Radeon R9 290X
• 5.1GH/s on a AMD ATI Radeon 7990
• 2.2GH/s - 2.8GH/s on a AMD ATI Radeon 7970
• 1.4GH/s on a AMD ATI Radeon 6970
• 1.3GH/s on a AMD ATI Radeon 5870
• 1.6GH/s on a ZTEX USB-FPGA 1.15y Quad Spartan-6 LX150 Development Board
• 1.5GH/s on a Enterpoint Cairnsmore 1 Quad Spartan-6 LX150 Development Board
• 800MH/s on a Lancelot Dual Spartan-6 LX150 Development Board
• 360MH/s on a ZTEX USB-FPGA 1.15x Spartan-6 LX150 Development Board

Do you guys really want Beecoin to die again?  Make the right choice before it's too late!

Waterfall algorithms are insecure and inferior.

The miner for X11 is not optimized.  People have much faster miners than the ones that are available to the public.

You are right... It's right for that i asked to the dev to change my vote for Blake256 w PoS...
Here is a good interesting article to read abt it...
http://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1xue3t/blakecoin_blake256_optimized_faster_than_scrypt/
I already tuned one of my rig to test it and the results are excellent...
4 x 7950 undervolted to 1.081v, core 1010, mem 1250, "The Stilt" optimized bios:
Scrypt => 2450 Khash/s, power 845W at wall, fan 55%, temps 60/65°C
Blake256 => 8300 Mhash/s, power 690W at wall, fan 50%, temps 55/60°C (@memclock 300MHz!)
Not last it will be supported by the next ver of CudaMiner... So GTX 750Ti will give us a chance do save energy for an additional 40%... not bad...
Let us switch away from dead Scrypt...

Hey thanks for that comparison so we are saying almost 1/3 less electricity than scrypt. Can you please compare x11 to blake in terms of electricity too?  scrypt is a resource hog for sure but how does blake go against x11?

done!
here the results with darkcoin (based on x11)
X11 => 7.0 Mhash/s, power 440W at wall, fan 42%, temps 45/50°C (@memclock 1498MHz)



as u can see abt the energy it's even better... we are close to 1/2 than scrypt... abt the hash it's 7Mh/s vs 8300Mh/s
The values r for the same rig as above (4 x 7950)
I didn't try cpu mining...
It seems for gpu the hashrate is still proportional to the stream processors...
7950 => 1792 s.p. => 1.75Mh/s
R9 280x => 2048 s.p. => 2.00Mh/s
R9 290 => 2560 s.p. => 2.50Mh/s

What can i say? x11 is also very very good!
Make your choice!  

[cryptohunter]

Do people not realize how inferior X11 is to Blake256?

I wouldn't pick something just because it's trending.  

Blake-256(optimized) is faster than Scrypt, SHA-256D, Keccak  

It is also incredibly energy efficient, and provides Nvidia card owners an equal chance.

The algorithm was written as a candidate for SHA-3, Based on round one candidate code from the Sphlib 2.1 library and reduced the round function to 8 rounds.

Advantages

Design
• simplicity of the algorithm
• interface for hashing with a salt

Performance
• fast in both software and hardware
• parallelism and throughput/area trade-off for hardware implementation
• simple speed/confidence trade-off with the tunable number of rounds

Security
• based on an intensively analyzed component (ChaCha)
• resistant to generic second-preimage attacks
• resistant to side-channel attacks
• resistant to length-extension

Blake is the fastest !

• 3.4GH/s on a AMD Radeon R9 290X
• 5.1GH/s on a AMD ATI Radeon 7990
• 2.2GH/s - 2.8GH/s on a AMD ATI Radeon 7970
• 1.4GH/s on a AMD ATI Radeon 6970
• 1.3GH/s on a AMD ATI Radeon 5870
• 1.6GH/s on a ZTEX USB-FPGA 1.15y Quad Spartan-6 LX150 Development Board
• 1.5GH/s on a Enterpoint Cairnsmore 1 Quad Spartan-6 LX150 Development Board
• 800MH/s on a Lancelot Dual Spartan-6 LX150 Development Board
• 360MH/s on a ZTEX USB-FPGA 1.15x Spartan-6 LX150 Development Board

Do you guys really want Beecoin to die again?  Make the right choice before it's too late!

Waterfall algorithms are insecure and inferior.

The miner for X11 is not optimized.  People have much faster miners than the ones that are available to the public.

You are right... It's right for that i asked to the dev to change my vote for Blake256 w PoS...
Here is a good interesting article to read abt it...
http://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1xue3t/blakecoin_blake256_optimized_faster_than_scrypt/
I already tuned one of my rig to test it and the results are excellent...
4 x 7950 undervolted to 1.081v, core 1010, mem 1250, "The Stilt" optimized bios:
Scrypt => 2450 Khash/s, power 845W at wall, fan 55%, temps 60/65°C
Blake256 => 8300 Mhash/s, power 690W at wall, fan 50%, temps 55/60°C (@memclock 300MHz!)
Not last it will be supported by the next ver of CudaMiner... So GTX 750Ti will give us a chance do save energy for an additional 40%... not bad...
Let us switch away from dead Scrypt...

Hey thanks for that comparison so we are saying almost 1/3 less electricity than scrypt. Can you please compare x11 to blake in terms of electricity too?  scrypt is a resource hog for sure but how does blake go against x11?

done!
here the results with darkcoin (based on x11)
X11 => 7.0 Mhash/s, power 440W at wall, fan 42%, temps 45/50°C (@memclock 1498MHz)



as u can see abt the energy it's even better... we are close to 1/2 than scrypt... abt the hash it's 7Mh/s vs 8300Mh/s
The values r for the same rig as above (4 x 7950)
I didn't try cpu mining...
It seems for gpu the hashrate is still proportional to the stream processors...
7950 => 1792 s.p. => 1.75Mh/s
R9 280x => 2048 s.p. => 2.00Mh/s
R9 290 => 2560 s.p. => 2.50Mh/s

What can i say? x11 is also very very good!
Make your choice!  

Thanks very much for the comparison that has been very helpful indeed.

SO x11 is drawing even less power and even cooler. I guess until there is some proof that there is an optimised miner for it then x11 and qrk are the most efficient algos.


Shame we have no super algo guru's who really know the best of those 2. I thought qrk was better than x11. However aside from possibly less collisions or perhaps less orphans both seem as good as each other. Qrk has less algos but is random x11 more algos but sequential.

For profit x11 /qrk  seems to be the best in terms of electricity used.

[ZeroBarrier]

I still think blake256 is the way to go, given that it opens up merged mining with other merge mining coins later on once BEE gains traction and becomes more popular.

[cryptohunter]

I don't mind which we use.... i think let's just decide and move ahead soon though. Then we can get going with some things.

[quovadiz]

Consider X11 essentially is an algo with 11 rounds of scientific hashing functions merged together (blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein, luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, echo).
As far as i understood it's made so right to be ASICs resistant as much as possible...
About Blake256 sure it's also ASICs resistant now... but it seems, as i wrote in a previos post, that it's ASIC's friendly... it means:
"...it is a simplified and parallelized design. This means that it is highly efficient on GPUs and FPGAs, and if or when ASICs are made for Blake-256 it also will be highly efficient..."
"...The simplistic nature of the Blake-256 algorithm makes it easier and cheaper to implement in silicon, so if or when Blake-256 ASICs are manufactured, they will be considerably less expensive and also considerably more power efficient than SHA-256 or Scrypt ASICs..."
Then if it is so it depends if we would like in a future to boost the nethasrate switching to cheaper ASIC in the case they will be developed for our algo...
About other characteristics of these algos i don't have any any competence to say anything... i'm just trying to ustand something collecting infos are in forums...
I agree with you it's necessary to move away from Scrypt asap to save our BEEs...

[GREEDYJOHN]

CRYPTORUSH IS .... GONE!

BLACKCOIN IS GOING TO THE MOON.

[cryptohunter]

CRYPTORUSH IS .... GONE!

BLACKCOIN IS GOING TO THE MOON.

I hope people didn't lose their beecoins on there.

So let's move forward then with beecoin...x11 pos or blake pos i don't really mind.

Either way let's go ahead now weeks debating this is just pushing beecoin further behind. POS is essential the algo x11 or blake is not a big issue i guess. X11 or QRk use less power so i guess for those wishing for more profit those are good.

[GREEDYJOHN]

CRYPTORUSH IS .... GONE!

BLACKCOIN IS GOING TO THE MOON.

I hope people didn't lose their beecoins on there.

So let's move forward then with beecoin...x11 pos or blake pos i don't really mind.

Either way let's go ahead now weeks debating this is just pushing beecoin further behind. POS is essential the algo x11 or blake is not a big issue i guess. X11 or QRk use less power so i guess for those wishing for more profit those are good.

You need to keep in contact with soopy, just keep on communicating.

[GREEDYJOHN]

CRYPTORUSH IS .... GONE!

BLACKCOIN IS GOING TO THE MOON.

I hope people didn't lose their beecoins on there.

So let's move forward then with beecoin...x11 pos or blake pos i don't really mind.

Either way let's go ahead now weeks debating this is just pushing beecoin further behind. POS is essential the algo x11 or blake is not a big issue i guess. X11 or QRk use less power so i guess for those wishing for more profit those are good.

The Last time I saw cryptorush, there were less than 350m BEES for sale, there wasn't much on cryptorush.

[GREEDYJOHN]

WE MUST NOT ALLOW BEECOIN TO FAIL. BEECOIN SHOULD BE THE NEW BLACKCOIN OR MINTCOIN.

[cryptohunter]

So it will be x11 pos or blake pos?

Let's wait and see what happends. The new wallet and algo swap could be here soon. Whatever algo out of those two will probably be ok. We just need POS more than anything else really.

[GREEDYJOHN]

So it will be x11 pos or blake pos?

Let's wait and see what happends. The new wallet and algo swap could be here soon. Whatever algo out of those two will probably be ok. We just need POS more than anything else really.

We need to agree on the percentage POS, BLOCK TAX.
This thread is very quiet. I know that a lot of members are interested in other coins, so they let a few people do all the work.
Do you still talk with soopy? You need to keep communicating, so that he can implement the best ideas.

[hacintosh]

We must speed up the paces, we are running out of time.

[heartthew]

We must speed up the paces, we are running out of time.

All I see is one cheerleader yelling in big colored text, and now I can't even dump my last three million, because the two biggest (but still terrible) exchanges have absconded with people's loot, under the guise of 'hacking'...

Don't listen to this nonsense, folks.

This coin was fast, but terrible ideas like adding to the already overmined and oversized coin pools are not helping.

Algo change?

Too little too late.

I know I should keep it to myself, but there is some serious wool-over-the eyes shit going on here.

Greedy John has yelled a lot of useless shit, but there is barely any other action, period.

[bluejean]

I will fix the wallet within 3 days that's by 14 - 15th and new Algo will kick in. Sounds good?

Also about the block tax it will be as follows as per discussions

BLOCK TAX
2% DEV
0.5% FAUCETS
1.5% GAMBLING GAMES
2% PROJECT

Also Pos will be 5% , just a suggestion , confirming all the above as well as finalizing on the Algorithm will allow me to get working rightaway.

~SoopY~

Sounds excellent...

Yes block tax

2% dev
2% projects wallet - we can vote on how to use it
2% beecoin donations..

sounds good to me..



5% first year
2% 2nd year
1% from then on...


however i will be happy to do whatever everyone else wants

also staking time every 7 days ?  or every day? or will that make the block chain massive?

also looks like it will be x11 POS...  why has nobody ever done x11 POS before?

Also digi shield looks better than kgw ... or seems so from what others are saying.

Staking time would be every 15 days - 30 days max for all coins held.

Yup Bee is going to be the 1st with X11 + POS so it's going to be major.
I guess people were boring to implement that haha , novelty now now.

So it's final! X11 + POS getting 33.4% Votes
Blake256 + POS getting 33.4 combined votes.

Surely we can go with Digishield.

Are we good?

~SoopY~

This all sounds pretty good here. Have we decided on the algo? Plus Soopy said that Bee would be on another exchange within a week...this all looks pretty positive to me. Let's just get it done already. If someone hasn't spoken up about what they want in this coin yet, it's not because they haven't had the opportunity.

I say go with Blake256 + POS. It's almost as energy efficient as X11, hash rates are comparable and it can be used with merge mining later.