[XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency

[BoscoMurray]

my page 1337 post went back to 1336 manipulation!!

Yes, I've been watching the 1337 posts in this thread and noticed them moving backwards in time (if you can call it that). It just highlights that BitcoinTalk should not be regarded as gospel when it comes to the history of any crypto, since posts are deleted all the time unbenownst to the masses.

[iCEBREAKER]

I don't believe the dark side is that much on accumulating XMR peacefully, they rather steal and destroy.

Yes, Polo is completely at the mercy of the Equation Group, et al.   

Please continue doing what you can (ie RPEX  ) to ameliorate this potential central point of failure.

[dEBRUYNE]

Can someone take a look at this post? https://forum.getmonero.org/1/news-announcements-and-editorials/252/monday-monero-missives-28-march-30th-2015?page=&noscroll=1#post-1627

I'd like for the missives to get on iTunes and it only requires a small RSS edit to get this to happen. Seeing this reddit post reminded me recently: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/3hakv7/what_about_new_monero_missives/

At your service! -> https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-monero-missive-podcast/id1032156854

[romerun]

plan to make confidential transaction was pushed forward on bitcoin. Once bitcoin has that. What are still the benefits of monero / byte / dash ?

[onemorexmr]

plan to make confidential transaction was pushed forward on bitcoin. Once bitcoin has that. What are still the benefits of monero / byte / dash ?

the current XT debate shows that it is nearly impossible to change bitcoin in any way.
if a sidechain implements some kind of mixing it has the problem that it needs much usage to be really anon.

so atm i dont see a way that bitcoin will have real fungibility and anonymity.

[GingerAle]

plan to make confidential transaction was pushed forward on bitcoin. Once bitcoin has that. What are still the benefits of monero / byte / dash ?

1. Monero will have default privacy, optional transparency. Bitcoin will have default transparency, optional privacy. The implications are obvious to me.

2. If this were to go mainchain, it would require a hardfork, which is seemingly becoming difficult in that network.

3. specific to monero, there is still the benefits of the adaptive blocksize.

4. specific to monero, the POW is holding strong against silicon advances, thus will be decentralized for the foreseeable future. Bitcoin is dead to me as a decentralized monetary system / payment network. Bitcoin has created something new, yes. But it is not a decentralized ledger system. Right now 4 nodes control 67% of the network. https://blockchain.info/pools?show_adv=no .  Granted, the monero pool distribution is no better at this point, but we are young. https://monerohash.com/#network

4. for monero, the codebase is completely different. Thus, any 0days in bitcoin won't transfer to Monero.

[dEBRUYNE]

plan to make confidential transaction was pushed forward on bitcoin. Once bitcoin has that. What are still the benefits of monero / byte / dash ?

I dug up this comment from Fluffypony on reddit particulary for you:

anonymity/privacy of this compare to that of ring signatures like those used in cryptonote

It's quite a bit less "anonymous", as it makes no attempt to hide the "metadata". So it hides the transaction amount, but you don't have untraceability (what /u/nullc refers to as "shaping the transaction graph"). The upshot of doing so is that it allows for pruning, which is a good thing. Currently if we had to enable pruning with Monero you'd need to retain the entire txoset (since there is no distinction for utxos, at least not once we've banned mixin 0 transactions) and the entire key image set. Whilst this pruning is quite aggressive, it's nowhere near as aggressive as the pruning available with Bitcoin (and, by extension, with this sidechain). We (nor anyone else) have been unable to come up with a scheme that allows both.

Maybe put differently: this can enhance Bitcoin's privacy, effectively ending the raison d'être for certain altcoins forked from Bitcoin desperately trying to wedge "anonymity" into it, but it cannot magically make Bitcoin fungible. The implementation (as a sidechain) still faces many unique challenges.

That said, I welcome this, and I think anything that can enhance Bitcoin's privacy is advantageous. I'm also a massive fan of the work that andytoshi, gmaxwell, and the Blockstream developers are doing, and I'm sure they will continue to enhance this functionality:)

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/394k1t/petertoddbtc_gregory_maxwells_confidental/cs0ngpa?context=3

[uvt9]

where is the source code for db branch ? I want to try it out on VM.
Found and compiled, didnt know that it is right in official branch. But I'm curious why can't we have new binaries why the new version is already on the git ?

[canth]

Can someone take a look at this post? https://forum.getmonero.org/1/news-announcements-and-editorials/252/monday-monero-missives-28-march-30th-2015?page=&noscroll=1#post-1627

I'd like for the missives to get on iTunes and it only requires a small RSS edit to get this to happen. Seeing this reddit post reminded me recently: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/3hakv7/what_about_new_monero_missives/

At your service! -> https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-monero-missive-podcast/id1032156854

Very cool! Even more reason to get the next missive out.

[dEBRUYNE]

where is the source code for db branch ? I want to try it out on VM.
Found and compiled, didnt know that it is right in official branch. But I'm curious why can't we have new binaries why the new version is already on the git ?

Devs probably want to get all bugs out before tagging and releasing them.

[smoothie]

Damn I'm on 1337 + 1 page lol

[DaveyJones]

where is the source code for db branch ? I want to try it out on VM.
Found and compiled, didnt know that it is right in official branch. But I'm curious why can't we have new binaries why the new version is already on the git ?

Devs probably want to get all bugs out before tagging and releasing them.

Thats the reason, once most or all of the child-illnesses are gone there will be release... the new beta for windows is a step forward to that

[smooth]

where is the source code for db branch ? I want to try it out on VM.
Found and compiled, didnt know that it is right in official branch. But I'm curious why can't we have new binaries why the new version is already on the git ?

Devs probably want to get all bugs out before tagging and releasing them.

Pretty much that, but more broadly the "official" (master) branch is really an intermediate development branch. Pull requests are made there from developers' own forks after initial testing so it isn't completely new code but not release quality either. If you want the source for the (old!) official version you have to get it with "git checkout v0.8.8.6". I think the plan is to stop doing this at some point, maybe after the next release. Then there will be a separate development branch, and master will stay at a release.

[kazuki49]

I see quite a lot of I2P commits, any word on how far are we from having it working?

[Benjig]

Privacy of course is a needed feature but not the one achieving the mainstream adoption, and bitcoin was never created to be totally anonymous, it's just a coin with a NSA algorithm inside its core, cmon. 

[kazuki49]

Privacy of course is a needed feature but not the one achieving the mainstream adoption, and bitcoin was never created to be totally anonymous, it's just a coin with a NSA algorithm inside its core, cmon. 

thats why I refer to Bitcoin as "panopticoin" now

[ArticMine]

What's the word on "in the works" XMR exchanges? All the talk a few months ago was about some new fiat/XMR exchanges coming onto the scene. I believe Rpietila was mentioned as involved in at least one. What's the rumpus? The whole polo kyc/aml thing has tempered down, but the market won't properly grow until the speculative aspect has diversified and expanded. Personally I won't go within 10 blocks of an exchange that wants my firstborn just to trade crypto to crypto. So?

My plans haven't changed. The "company" is accumulating 100,000s of XMR and it takes time. I have told all in advance. When this phase is ready, we go to the next phase and open trading. September is still the timeframe.

You can ask the others how they are doing.

But the most important/interesting thing happening with XMR is still Crypto Kingdom.

A Monero/Fiat exchage will be very welcome if as I strongly suspect Bitcoin becomes difficult or impossible to use due to the fixed blocksize and core vs XT issue. By the way my Bitcoin holdings are now down to less than 0.5% of my portfolio.

Edit: September, just in time for the next Bitcoin stress test.

[uvt9]

I got this error after completed 90% of compiling Monero:

Code:

[ 90%] Building CXX object tests/unit_tests/CMakeFiles/unit_tests.dir/blockchain_db.cpp.o
In file included from /home/***/bitmonero/tests/unit_tests/blockchain_db.cpp:40:0:
/home/***/bitmonero/src/blockchain_db/berkeleydb/db_bdb.h:28:20: fatal error: db_cxx.h: No such file or directory
 #include <db_cxx.h>
                    ^
compilation terminated.
tests/unit_tests/CMakeFiles/unit_tests.dir/build.make:100: recipe for target 'tests/unit_tests/CMakeFiles/unit_tests.dir/blockchain_db.cpp.o' failed
make[3]: *** [tests/unit_tests/CMakeFiles/unit_tests.dir/blockchain_db.cpp.o] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory '/home/***/bitmonero/build/release'
CMakeFiles/Makefile2:1880: recipe for target 'tests/unit_tests/CMakeFiles/unit_tests.dir/all' failed
make[2]: *** [tests/unit_tests/CMakeFiles/unit_tests.dir/all] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory '/home/***/bitmonero/build/release'
Makefile:127: recipe for target 'all' failed
make[1]: *** [all] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/***/bitmonero/build/release'
Makefile:58: recipe for target 'release-all' failed
make: *** [release-all] Error 2

Happened on both my VM and Azure VPS.

[BoscoMurray]

I got this error after completed 90% of compiling Monero:

Code:

[ 90%] Building CXX object tests/unit_tests/CMakeFiles/unit_tests.dir/blockchain_db.cpp.o
In file included from /home/***/bitmonero/tests/unit_tests/blockchain_db.cpp:40:0:
/home/***/bitmonero/src/blockchain_db/berkeleydb/db_bdb.h:28:20: fatal error: db_cxx.h: No such file or directory
 #include <db_cxx.h>
                    ^
compilation terminated.
tests/unit_tests/CMakeFiles/unit_tests.dir/build.make:100: recipe for target 'tests/unit_tests/CMakeFiles/unit_tests.dir/blockchain_db.cpp.o' failed
make[3]: *** [tests/unit_tests/CMakeFiles/unit_tests.dir/blockchain_db.cpp.o] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory '/home/***/bitmonero/build/release'
CMakeFiles/Makefile2:1880: recipe for target 'tests/unit_tests/CMakeFiles/unit_tests.dir/all' failed
make[2]: *** [tests/unit_tests/CMakeFiles/unit_tests.dir/all] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory '/home/***/bitmonero/build/release'
Makefile:127: recipe for target 'all' failed
make[1]: *** [all] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/***/bitmonero/build/release'
Makefile:58: recipe for target 'release-all' failed
make: *** [release-all] Error 2

Happened on both my VM and Azure VPS.

Berkeley DB not installed maybe? Try:

sudo apt-get install -y libdb++-dev libdb-dev

Then compile again.

[GingerAle]

yeah, the unit tests have killed my builds on recent master.

I think i "fixed" it a week ago by using older head... for instance, checking out a commit circa early august.

so, you'd enter

Code:

git checkout insert-commit-hash-here

replacing that hash with whatever commit you want to try and build.

im currently also testing it using make-release-static 64 (as its been said that the deps are included for this build type).... and it failed.

EDITED TO ADD!

Check your build folder. It seems the primary binaries build fine - i made it to 90% with those errors and then checked the build folder and ./bitmonerod ran like a champ! Well, at least it started to sync with the network.

who needs unit tests?