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Author Topic: [ANN] [SFR] SaffronCoin | Latest Version - 1.4.2/2.6.2 | Mandatory Wallet Update  (Read 437769 times)
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August 22, 2014, 07:51:23 PM
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I get what you mean, you wanted this coin to be used with real life commerce devices. But designing this kind of technology is costly and takes time, i'm not sure the dev can do that soon. They are also busy coding the sfr market right now.  Smiley


OK thx, The path may not be as arduous as one would think.
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August 22, 2014, 08:22:54 PM
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A couple of ideas for the SFR team....

1.) use the wallet's display of current difficulty by algo suggesting the best algo for the most coin based on hash rate etc. to obtain the greatest yield. this would stabilize the non-asic gpu cpu based mining algo's. and spread the work around. I do not want to calculate every day the least difficult algo.. (really I do not know how to calc this or do I want to)  
2) hard code a version of the wallet into the firmware of POS devices. processors or other means of commence. making it update able

3) create a separate side chain specifically to message and update these envisioned devices via a unique algo combo not used for anything else..

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Your first point is noted. Could u please explain your second one a bit more?

Sidechains will be created. We have posted on the OP that we will build a host of apps on our sidechain.

Thanks for feedback. Would love to hear more regarding ideas and features. It would help us improve.
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sure 2 and three are really 2 and 2b...

in the 90's i spent seven years working the monetization of electrons. Virtual currency, moving crypto value around portable devices, servers, and POS's. Enablements that provided a secure unique methods, software, firmware, and the like.   Which was used for real commence... yes buying exchanging, and selling things made of atoms and electrons.....a centralized system, most of the metrics I worked out 20 years B4 the benefit of Satoshi's brilliant white paper. My accomplishments rather sheepish in a comparison. i probably had 15 man years of hardware, firmware, software coding, flashing, MMI's and building one of a kind systems. I had a three layer on tracks, white board the size of my entire office wall...(17ft) conference table for 7 persons on laptops at the time coding while I sketched scribbled and interacted with them for hours... a blast. any way.

not to tell u what to do but Start focusing SFR on two primary's 1). (means of commence) hummm lets talk about this one first only because the altcoin community appears to never get to this important step in establishing greater value. For instance, great to work mining and exchanging but as the market indicates to date (year or so of data) the value diminishes as the coin's r mined. Corresponding delicate balance between mining/spending efficiency (choice of proof-of-work, alternate designs)each and everyone going through a selfish mining, race conditions. this equates to a limit of perceived and resultant value's. that are cyclical, unstable. I think Robert Metcalff's of 3com made a statement  The law that states that the usefulness of a telecommunications network is proportional to the square of the number of its users. 2014-15 this is early yet in maturation. lots of space to fill with ideas and code.Time may prove my premise suspect but we will be in this early stage iterations untill someone anyone makes a means of accepted commerce break through.

Second thought here is one I will get push back, but for all the talk and hyperbo of how decentralized the bitcoin block chain and every other altcoin claims to be. It really controlled by less then ten people respectively per coin. Everyone believes only they have the best interest of the "greater global community" hogwash. just because it's P2p, the rules of engagement are defined by a few. I wish there was a elegant solution to this but alias, not yet.

Lastly my favorite phrase to my coding geniuses. "If i look at the finished work product, and ask for an explanation will I be impressed by code or MMI and elegant use. we aren't their yet maybe I can provide the Ice water to get the community to think. I did it for 7 years and all of the people that coded for me would do it again because it was so much fun and resulted in beautiful products that enabled buying and selling.

ur thoughts, saffron and everyone.

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August 22, 2014, 08:30:27 PM
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Things I've been thinking about to further Saffroncoin's evolution:

1) Multi-algo PoW coupled with PoS for the most complete hybridization of Saffroncoin... ideas/thoughts:

From the dev cycle I've seen thus far, I've liked that the coin has done more of less constant balance between building up the nascent platform with new features and then working on the core coin architecture to solidify its foundation and improve its chances for adoption/success for in the longer term. Now that the decentralized market dev is in full swing and will be released shortly, as a community it think its time to start the discussion for the addition of PoS mechanism to the coin. Pure PoS is odd to me so this is deffinitly not what I'm suggesting, Saffron is PoW, its clearly stated in the WP and fully support that, however, not everyone is a miner. This is my observation but one there is one thing that the coin still seems to lack and that is big investors, sure there are some but not on the scale that have taken some of the other coins with less feature than saffron to the top tier of the crypto landscape. Saffroncoin should be one of those top 10 coins, with the pace of expansion of services/features I see no reason why this cannot come to pass.

That being said, currently saffron provides the best mining solution out there and with the slight tweaking of the coin minting model has evolved into a well balanced crypto but I still think that the missing last piece is incentivisation to hold coins for a longer period and reward investors for their patience. It would be the icing on the cake so to speak, so that saffron can be all that it can be, a coin thats matters to everyone.

I'd be interested in knowing what the community thinks, maybe we could have a poll put up. As its been stated, this wouldn't replace pow, it would simply exist on top/along side of it. The first multi-algo Pow/pos hybrid that im aware of. perhaps tricky to implement but coins such as fluttercoin have had active hybrid proof system in place quite successfully.

As far as structure I'm thinking a few options that could be put to the poll:

a) the addition of PoS with a fixed low annual interest rate 1-2%(like blackcoin)
b) the addition of poS with a variable interest rate that increases for everyone the more is being staked on the network (like vericoin)
c) the addition of poS with tiered interest rate based on how much is being staked in ones particular wallet/node (think of it at increased staking rewards

the more you are staking) ex: of tiers :
                                      tier 0: < 200k SFR stakes at base rate of 1%
                                      tier 1: 200k SFR stakes @ 1.5%
                                      tier 2: 400k SFR stakes @ 2%
                                      tier 3: 650k SFR stakes at 2.5%

*these are just to be used as examples to get the concept across.

d) A hybrid of B & C tiered interest rates but whose actual rate is variable based upon the the total amount being staked within that particular bracket/tier. Meaning if all the little guys stick together their interest rate goes up same for if the big holders stake they are directly helping each other out. Doing this you incentivise individuals and groups within the community to stake together. Rising tide lifts all boats.

I know there have been some post about PoS before, and I know that it isnt strictly consistent with Satoshi's original vision but that is predominantly for pure PoS coins.. which this is not what I'm proposing here at all. Crypto constantly evolves, Satoshi could not have predicted all the developments when he first wrote the bitcoin WP.

Given future development to meta layer/side chains for saffron sure these side chains could work on this principle, though from my interpretation of these tokens created for smart contracts etc they arent really intended to be stores of value etc, rather they are mechanisms to further decentralize applications. Do feel to focus should be on the core currency that being SFR.

2) meta layers/side-chains

When this does come to pass, we'll need a token/coin for the top layer smart contracts etc.. I've mentioned this on IRC and to Rosh a little while back and calling it CSFR (concentrated saffroncoin), the creation of which would possibly exist during a fixed timeframe and the SFR coins sent to purchase the CSFR would be burned/sent to a provably dead/unrecoverable address after which no other CSFR would be created (unless PoS mechanism is used on it i suppose). So many coins are just following SAffron these days and duplicating all the features Rosh and his team pioneered, so perhaps even a portion of the burn (or heck all of it.. think viacoin idk) could be sent to a dev fund since the devs have put so much effort into this coin and have never asked for anything, think of it as the community thanking the devs and allowing for future funding of projects and the all important maketing.


3) To be to further enhance the community effect, one that is often discussed and lauded in crypto yet not really actively/visibly supported in the coin architecture (from Donot's post his 2 point alludes to this.. that true decentralization can sometimes be illusiory) :

Perhaps the use of side-chains would facilitate this, but the idea would be to build a decentralized voting system within the coins architecture that would enable the community to further determine the coin minting process, dynamically (possibly resets every X number of blocks etc):

For example, the at present 32 coins per bolck are generated as a reward. What if 50% (16 sfr) were guarranteed to miners but that the other 50% distribution would be determined by the community?

By this I mean the following: The distributed voting system would have fixed questions whose % of voting corrolates to the amount of coins to be used to the selected process.

16 coins per block in play which would go towards to following options (just examples of the top of my head):

option 1: give the coins to the miners they deserve them!
option 2: burn the coins to a provably dead address to further reduce daily supply
option 3: send coins to a developer fund so that we can reward the dev for his hard work and enable the hire of more devs/bounties for faster

updates/releases
option 4: donate funds to a cause/charity of the month.

so that if this was built into the wallet, everyone would have a vote to make and could result in something like this:

option 1 gets 50% would give the miners 8 addtional SFR (so 20 coins total for that block)
option 2 gets 25% would burn 4 SFR per block
option 3 gets 15% would give the dev fund 2.4 SFR per block
option 4 gets 10% would give 1.6 SFR to a community selected charity

these are just examples off the top of my head, I don't know of the feasibility of such a system or even if its possible to implement but to me, such a system would create the first decentralized dynamic coin supply regulating mechanism in crypto as well as to really drive the concept of community in general that decentralization doesn't mean that nobody owns the coin, it means that we all do, and that for its future, we all matter Wink

A Hybrid POW/POS working together is complicated and would change a large part of the code. Such an implementation could take months of designing. But we will work on this in the future once the coin is quite established and the only path is upwards. We can even call it POW2.0.

Sidechains (Blockchain 2.0) are definitely the main priority. As u suggested, CSFR it is.This is something that will be used for SFRDirect too.
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August 22, 2014, 09:44:07 PM
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I think POS's mentioned by donotneedtono is Point of Sale devices.
while PoS in the post of Coin_Viking is Proof of Stake.

Maybe I'm wrong but that was my take on the above posts, they're completely different.




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August 23, 2014, 02:22:19 AM
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I think POS's mentioned by donotneedtono is Point of Sale devices.
while PoS in the post of Coin_Viking is Proof of Stake.

Maybe I'm wrong but that was my take on the above posts, they're completely different.






Correct, same accronym, different things lol. Coin code baked into Firmware for point of sale devices is years away and would require substansial capital to effectivelly do as well as demand for these units etc. more and more devices are modular, mobile and all linked together, dedicated Point-of-sale devices may not be needed by the time general crypto acceptance is acheived. As per the wp, mobile intergration of Point of sale systems is preferable or low to zero friction options like coinsys visa cards. Unkess the dedicated point of sale systems/devices may occur for a basket of cryptos or all (created by an independant company) but for a singular coin, it wont work esp if bitcoin dosent even really have em.
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August 23, 2014, 03:18:53 AM
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Dedicated Point of Sale right now accept widely used CC, debit cards, and Cash.
Not sure if cryptocoins will be there in the next year or two.

It will be good if OnLine merchants have the capability to accept cryptocoins automatically debited from purchasers wallet and converted to the accepted currency set by the merchants, by just flashing the QR codes of your wallet (what ever alt coins).

I think there's some altcoins accepted but not much. Some merchants do accept Bitcoins.

What about Saffroncoin?
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August 23, 2014, 06:15:24 AM
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Dedicated Point of Sale right now accept widely used CC, debit cards, and Cash.
Not sure if cryptocoins will be there in the next year or two.

It will be good if OnLine merchants have the capability to accept cryptocoins automatically debited from purchasers wallet and converted to the accepted currency set by the merchants, by just flashing the QR codes of your wallet (what ever alt coins).

I think there's some altcoins accepted but not much. Some merchants do accept Bitcoins.

What about Saffroncoin?


CoinKite is a dedicated POS that supports BTC, LTC, and BC.
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August 23, 2014, 08:16:00 AM
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We have created 2 new commands for the PeerMarket - ordernew and orderscan.
For the past couple of days, there were problems with the wallet transactions with these commands. But we have fixed it now.
Orders are being written to the blockchain and the orders are stored in a separate berkeley db in the default folder.
A few more commands have to be created and tested before we can have a closed alpha release.

Once all the commands are functioning well, we will connect them to the GUI of the wallet.
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August 23, 2014, 08:34:40 AM
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Nice work!

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August 23, 2014, 09:21:35 AM
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Just want to vent a little bit.

With such a competent, hard working, and extrememely fast dev team, it is really unfortunate that we have very greedy big holder/s amongst us. Im particularly talking about the douche who keeps putting up those massive sell orders around 2500 every time we are about to rally. This greed and selfishness is fucking pathetic. Whoever you are, if you want out, then Im sure if you break up your big orders into smaller dispersed chunks, then not only would you be out faster, but you would make more money and you wont hurt this coins potential. If on the other hand you are just suppressing the price because you want more coins or for whatever reason..then you're an absolute douche. You're greed is unfathomable and you're just hurting your own investment.  

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August 23, 2014, 09:23:26 AM
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Just want to vent a little bit.

With such a competent, hard working, and extrememely fast dev team, it is really unfortunate that we have very greedy big holder/s amongst us. Im particularly talking about the douche who keeps putting up those massive sell orders around 2500 every time we are about to rally. This greed and selfishness is fucking pathetic. Whoever you are, if you want out, then Im sure if you break up your big orders into smaller dispersed chunks, then not only would you be out faster, but you would make more money and you wont hurt this coins potential. If on the other hand you are just suppressing the price because you want more coins or for whatever reason..then you're an absolute douche. You're greed is unfathomable and you're just hurting your own investment.  

Couldn't agree more!
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August 23, 2014, 05:38:15 PM
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Another scamcoin (usecoin) manage to make money off suckers. Why the hell people chase these IPO/ICO coin? Why can't they invest in actual coin like this one.  Angry
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August 23, 2014, 08:08:55 PM
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Pleased to announce that SaffronCoin has been added to my NOMP pool.
1% Fee, vardiff, Payouts run every 15 minutes, Payout threshold 1.0

http://utahjohn.ddns.net:8081


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August 23, 2014, 08:57:16 PM
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Want to boost the price of your coin?
do you want to be able to transfer your coins anonymously?
are your developers wasting weeks/months of valuable time struggling to implement anonymous sending?

if you answered yes to any or all of these questions there is a quick and easy solution to your problems!

purchase the usage of the Pink Entanglement Engine, anon.pink for your coin. there has been a month long auction at anon.pink/auction that ends in 24 hours where you can bid to win the rights to the Pink Entanglement Engine for your coin. Pinkcoin will set it all up and operate it on behalf of your coin.
by bidding on this you are benefiting a great cause as a majority of the proceeds are going to benefit the National Breast Cancer Foundation.

don't wait, bid now to ensure that you don't miss the deadline and your coin gets the benefits of anonymous sending.



thought promotion of this nature was frowned upon in bitcointalk? Anyways, saffron already has two! anon solutions that are better than this in my opinion.
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August 23, 2014, 09:12:34 PM
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Shameless anon advertising on one of the best anon coin around. Next time you pinkcoin fella should really check where you spam.  Roll Eyes
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August 23, 2014, 11:17:16 PM
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whens the saffron coin market expected t be launched?
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August 23, 2014, 11:32:04 PM
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whens the saffron coin market expected t be launched?

There would be a closed alpha release first, then an open alpha release, a beta release and then the final release. We are doing our best to have the alpha release launched asap. There are a few more commands that need to be created an tested. Once it is all good, we can have the alpha release.
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August 24, 2014, 03:26:39 AM
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whens the saffron coin market expected t be launched?

There would be a closed alpha release first, then an open alpha release, a beta release and then the final release. We are doing our best to have the alpha release launched asap. There are a few more commands that need to be created an tested. Once it is all good, we can have the alpha release.

can you give some sort of time frame? days , weeks , months?
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August 24, 2014, 03:33:41 AM
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whens the saffron coin market expected t be launched?

There would be a closed alpha release first, then an open alpha release, a beta release and then the final release. We are doing our best to have the alpha release launched asap. There are a few more commands that need to be created an tested. Once it is all good, we can have the alpha release.

can you give some sort of time frame? days , weeks , months?

We don't give out dates unless everything is tested out and ready for launch. We don't want to create unnecessary hype like how many other coins do. Whenever we pass a phase, we update about it and keep everyone informed. Once we are ready for launch, then we will release a date.
But i can unofficially tell u that the first release will take few "days".
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Thanks Devs, you guys are a breath of fresh air in how you conduct yourselves and what you deliver.

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