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June 14, 2014, 11:16:37 AM
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Less technical discussion of Nxt Multigateway (MGW) from jl777  Grin

I have been watching this for months.  I was just wondering about this post on a different forum.  It seems like NXT multi-gateway has to use keys.  Ripple can process things like oil, dollars, euros, and gold.  These things don't have keys.  That would mean really NXT multi-gateway is not like Ripple, but more any exchange that only deals with coins.  Is that right?


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multigateway is designed for bitcoind and its forks to go into and out of NXT AE.
NXT AE itself can do a lot of things and is the right thing to compare against ripple.

For MGW I decided not to use the user's key as there is no assurance that they will be around to sign a tx when needed. The multisig accts have the keys held by the three MGW servers. While each person gets his own multisig deposit address (for each supported coin), these addresses are actually used by MGW as pieces of the virtual wallet. There is no central wallet, but rather the sum of all the multisig accts.

You might ask, how can MGW tell apart a user deposit from internal funds transfers. Yes, this was a problem,but I decided to charge a small fee on withdrawal and that fee creates a small output (currently equal to txfee) to flag whether an output is a user deposit or internal transfer. This solves an otherwise tricky problem and I can tell for sure if an unspent output is a user deposit or internal transfer.

Every withdraw triggers an acct balancing via internal transfers. This way, all the multisig accts will converge to the average balance. Not only does that make it possible for a higher withdraw rate throughput, it also discourages hackers from bothering as it is a lot of work to break into multiple servers and then construct raw multisig transactions all with a time sensitive deadline as hundreds of nodes will be monitoring every blockchain event related to MGW

So, you will be able to track the amount in your multisig acct, but the contents do not represent your balance, rather the amount of assets inside NXT AE represents your balance. I hope that makes sense.

So MGW is not fully trustless, you have to trust that we will continue to operate the MGW. It uses 2 of 3 multisig so even if one server disappears without notice, we can always recreate new accts from the two remaining servers. As of now bithaus will be running one of the servers and I am still searching for the third host. Until we do, TEAM staff will be running the pair of MGW servers.

The fee structure to begin with will be no cost for deposits other than the 1 NXT to generate the AM to request a deposit address. and two txfees for a withdraw. This is an introductory rate as MGW will be spending 1 NXT txfees on AMs and that cannot be sustained forever. If the txfee is reduced to 0.1 NXT, then maybe it wont be a big deal. So MGW will definitely be a big step up from centralized exchanges which either have a large central wallet or large cold storage wallets, either which can be compromised with a single intruder.

MGW will be able to handle an arbitrary number of deposits as the deposits are just entries in the various blockchains and they are not moved at all and utilized in place. The withdraws are currently limited to ~1000 withdraws per day per coin, but this can be increased when there are enough accounts.

The NXTservices that has the MGW client is running 99% the same software as the MGW server. So it can precisely monitor what the MGW servers are doing, including calculating the balances in all the accounts, monitoring pending deposits/withdraws, etc. I do not believe any centralized exchange has this level of visibility. Everyone will know that for each satoshi of BTC assets, there is a corresponding amount in unspent outputs in the sum of the multisig accts.

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Source: https://nxtforum.org/nxtventures/mgw-multigateway/msg44493#msg44493
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June 14, 2014, 11:17:06 AM
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DO NOT DOWNLOAD ACTUAL NXT ANDROID WALLET. IT TAKES YOUR FUNDS AND THEN CANNOT MOVE THEM

Do you have a link to the android wallet pls?
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June 14, 2014, 11:32:18 AM
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For anyone who wasn't aware, Nxt is on BitcoinWisdom.

https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/bter/nxtbtc

So you can chart to you heart's content  Grin
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June 14, 2014, 11:36:06 AM
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DO NOT DOWNLOAD ACTUAL NXT ANDROID WALLET. IT TAKES YOUR FUNDS AND THEN CANNOT MOVE THEM

Do you have a link to the android wallet pls?

I downloaded from google play and author was Yueye. No support and funds dont move after putting exact passphrase and app telling succeed, but no movement of coins. Looks like the one here : http://wiki.nxtcrypto.org/wiki/Android/es but i downloaded from google play weeks ago
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June 14, 2014, 11:42:38 AM
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DO NOT DOWNLOAD ACTUAL NXT ANDROID WALLET. IT TAKES YOUR FUNDS AND THEN CANNOT MOVE THEM

Do you have a link to the android wallet pls?

I downloaded from google play and author was Yueye. No support and funds dont move after putting exact passphrase and app telling succeed, but no movement of coins. Looks like the one here : http://wiki.nxtcrypto.org/wiki/Android/es but i downloaded from google play weeks ago

Yes, I think it is this one? https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,797.0.html

I don't think it has been updated since NQT and asset exchange, but it says Yueye was last active on 22nd April. I think it needs to be removed from google play, it will do nothing but harm as it is.

Can someone on nextcoin contact them to find out what their plans are and/or remove the wallet?



What is your Nxt account ID?

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June 14, 2014, 11:49:05 AM
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Posted a message on nextcoin to the mods to remove the links and issue a warning.

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June 14, 2014, 12:04:05 PM
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DO NOT DOWNLOAD ACTUAL NXT ANDROID WALLET. IT TAKES YOUR FUNDS AND THEN CANNOT MOVE THEM

Do you have a link to the android wallet pls?

I downloaded from google play and author was Yueye. No support and funds dont move after putting exact passphrase and app telling succeed, but no movement of coins. Looks like the one here : http://wiki.nxtcrypto.org/wiki/Android/es but i downloaded from google play weeks ago

Yes, I think it is this one? https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,797.0.html

I don't think it has been updated since NQT and asset exchange, but it says Yueye was last active on 22nd April. I think it needs to be removed from google play, it will do nothing but harm as it is.

Can someone on nextcoin contact them to find out what their plans are and/or remove the wallet?



What is your Nxt account ID?



Yes, it should be removed. My address: 9629847092812783760 and had 1297 NXT. Now not even nodes in green in wallet. I already contacted yueye by email but no response
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June 14, 2014, 12:18:01 PM
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DO NOT DOWNLOAD ACTUAL NXT ANDROID WALLET. IT TAKES YOUR FUNDS AND THEN CANNOT MOVE THEM

u obviously got something wrong. all ur funds are still on ur account
http://blocks.nxtcrypto.org/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=9629847092812783760

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June 14, 2014, 01:20:33 PM
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DO NOT DOWNLOAD ACTUAL NXT ANDROID WALLET. IT TAKES YOUR FUNDS AND THEN CANNOT MOVE THEM

Do you have a link to the android wallet pls?

I downloaded from google play and author was Yueye. No support and funds dont move after putting exact passphrase and app telling succeed, but no movement of coins. Looks like the one here : http://wiki.nxtcrypto.org/wiki/Android/es but i downloaded from google play weeks ago

Yes, I think it is this one? https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,797.0.html

I don't think it has been updated since NQT and asset exchange, but it says Yueye was last active on 22nd April. I think it needs to be removed from google play, it will do nothing but harm as it is.

Can someone on nextcoin contact them to find out what their plans are and/or remove the wallet?



What is your Nxt account ID?



Yes, it should be removed. My address: 9629847092812783760 and had 1297 NXT. Now not even nodes in green in wallet. I already contacted yueye by email but no response

If you funds are still in your account on the blockchain and you still have the password, you haven't lost them. Just use another client, like the this one >>> https://nxtforum.org/nrs-releases/nrs-v1-1-4  Grin (unless the android wallet works in a strange way)


Is there a way to get Google Play to take down the wallet?
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June 14, 2014, 01:27:05 PM
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DO NOT DOWNLOAD ACTUAL NXT ANDROID WALLET. IT TAKES YOUR FUNDS AND THEN CANNOT MOVE THEM

Do you have a link to the android wallet pls?

I downloaded from google play and author was Yueye. No support and funds dont move after putting exact passphrase and app telling succeed, but no movement of coins. Looks like the one here : http://wiki.nxtcrypto.org/wiki/Android/es but i downloaded from google play weeks ago

Yes, I think it is this one? https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,797.0.html

I don't think it has been updated since NQT and asset exchange, but it says Yueye was last active on 22nd April. I think it needs to be removed from google play, it will do nothing but harm as it is.

Can someone on nextcoin contact them to find out what their plans are and/or remove the wallet?



What is your Nxt account ID?



Yes, it should be removed. My address: 9629847092812783760 and had 1297 NXT. Now not even nodes in green in wallet. I already contacted yueye by email but no response

If you funds are still in your account on the blockchain and you still have the password, you haven't lost them. Just use another client, like the this one >>> https://nxtforum.org/nrs-releases/nrs-v1-1-4  Grin (unless the android wallet works in a strange way)


Is there a way to get Google Play to take down the wallet?



I´m a little confused about this NXT wallets because i did weeks ago. I bought @ DGEX, then sent to my online wallet (you access like host:7874 or similar) and then transferred to android wallet. It appears as balance in the android wallet but not in the browser wallet while having the same ID. Why does it appear as 0 balance when accesing my old browser wallet then?
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June 14, 2014, 01:32:23 PM
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DO NOT DOWNLOAD ACTUAL NXT ANDROID WALLET. IT TAKES YOUR FUNDS AND THEN CANNOT MOVE THEM

u obviously got something wrong. all ur funds are still on ur account
http://blocks.nxtcrypto.org/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=9629847092812783760

I tried this app a few weeks back. I had the same problems and was told not to use it when I raised them because it's no longer supported and because it sends your unencrypted key to the server. It should be removed from the Play store.
Your NXT should still be accessible. Just download a regular client and enter the same passphrase. You might want to move them to a new address if you're worried about security.
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June 14, 2014, 01:36:26 PM
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Thank you all very much, I understand now
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June 14, 2014, 01:42:41 PM
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Thank you all very much, I understand now

Let us know how it works out. I think it should be fine (was for me) but I wasn't quite sure what you meant by the balance not appearing in the same account on the browser wallet with the same id.
Simplest/safest answer is to download the client and make sure, anyway.
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June 14, 2014, 01:48:05 PM
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DO NOT DOWNLOAD ACTUAL NXT ANDROID WALLET. IT TAKES YOUR FUNDS AND THEN CANNOT MOVE THEM

Do you have a link to the android wallet pls?

I downloaded from google play and author was Yueye. No support and funds dont move after putting exact passphrase and app telling succeed, but no movement of coins. Looks like the one here : http://wiki.nxtcrypto.org/wiki/Android/es but i downloaded from google play weeks ago

Yes, I think it is this one? https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,797.0.html

I don't think it has been updated since NQT and asset exchange, but it says Yueye was last active on 22nd April. I think it needs to be removed from google play, it will do nothing but harm as it is.

Can someone on nextcoin contact them to find out what their plans are and/or remove the wallet?



What is your Nxt account ID?



Yes, it should be removed. My address: 9629847092812783760 and had 1297 NXT. Now not even nodes in green in wallet. I already contacted yueye by email but no response

If you funds are still in your account on the blockchain and you still have the password, you haven't lost them. Just use another client, like the this one >>> https://nxtforum.org/nrs-releases/nrs-v1-1-4  Grin (unless the android wallet works in a strange way)


Is there a way to get Google Play to take down the wallet?



I´m a little confused about this NXT wallets because i did weeks ago. I bought @ DGEX, then sent to my online wallet (you access like host:7874 or similar) and then transferred to android wallet. It appears as balance in the android wallet but not in the browser wallet while having the same ID. Why does it appear as 0 balance when accesing my old browser wallet then?

It may be that you aren't running the most up to date client.

Download the NRS 1.1.4 from the link above and see. It is much better than the Move your Nxt from this account for security, as suggested. There is a guide for this Client here >>> https://nxtforum.org/nrs-client-how-to-help/%28nrs%29-%280-8-12%29-latest-nxt-client-and-english-tutorial-%282014-03-21%29/

If you are, post what block number your client is saying you are at (go to Blocks on the list on the left hand side of your Client)
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June 14, 2014, 01:54:52 PM
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Thanks guys. Im still downloading the blockchain in the new wallet 1.1.4 but my ID is different and balance is 0 (i logged in with my old passphrase i always used for NXT). Am i good? because i dont know why different ID for same passphrase
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June 14, 2014, 01:57:13 PM
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Thanks guys. Im still downloading the blockchain in the new wallet 1.1.4 but my ID is different and balance is 0 (i logged in with my old passphrase i always used for NXT). Am i good? because i dont know why different ID for same passphrase
If you mean your ID were a string of numbers and now its NXT- then you are probably good, we just switched to a different address format.
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June 14, 2014, 02:03:38 PM
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I downloaded de 1.1.4 client but now i have different ID (all numbers) and different address too (NXT-....-). I didnt create one, just logged in with that old passphrase, how is this possible?
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June 14, 2014, 02:05:29 PM
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I downloaded de 1.1.4 client but now i have different ID (all numbers) and different address too (NXT-....-). I didnt create one, just logged in with that old passphrase, how is this possible?

go to Settings -> use Reed Solomon, switch it to No. Do you see your old account number now? if you see a different number, then you use a wrong pass phrase, make sure you don't paste a whitespace after the pass phrase unintentionally, try to type it by hand instead of copy pasting.
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June 14, 2014, 02:08:31 PM
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I downloaded de 1.1.4 client but now i have different ID (all numbers) and different address too (NXT-....-). I didnt create one, just logged in with that old passphrase, how is this possible?

The only way it is possible is that you have used a different password. Each unique string will open a different account. Try logging in again, being careful not to include spaces before or after.

Are you typing it or copy and paste?
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June 14, 2014, 02:12:20 PM
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I downloaded de 1.1.4 client but now i have different ID (all numbers) and different address too (NXT-....-). I didnt create one, just logged in with that old passphrase, how is this possible?

The only way it is possible is that you have used a different password. Each unique string will open a different account. Try logging in again, being careful not to include spaces before or after.

Are you typing it or copy and paste?

I have different ID numbers. Mine was 9629847092812783760 and now i have another with 0 balance. I m not copy pastying and i am certain the passphrase is good because also the android app tells me when the account and passphrase match and theorically lets me send later the funds (succeed)
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