[ANN][ENRG]Energycoin - Android Released - Bittrex -

[SaintFrantic]

Please elaborate why you are collecting emailaddresses with the EnergyCoin Android wallet? Thanks.

Why! Anywhere you register you need some identification. That's why.

Many other Android wallets do not require email registration at all like i.e. the Guldencoin wallet.
I donated 0.5 BTC and 2.5 million EnergyCoin to the EnergyCoin team. I am just asking a legit question.
Your answer is a bit disappointing the least.

Every single legitimate institution will ask you for at least email If not for your name and address as well. And yes your question was legit but kind of silly. I don't think we should allow money laundering and scums. For that reason with next version everyone using the wallet needa to supply further infomation. As all is for yours and our protection.
  No sees me complaining about the software or what has been done, or much I have donated. We all need to step up and actually make a difference If we strongly believe in something. Profits and success will follow shortly after. If anyone fell that has beem let down, please ask Jan and me and you will have your investments returned.
  Digithusiast, I appreciate your support so far as you are the only person that made through financial contribution from the original first few of us that still pushing this project. Thank you for that.


Regards
Ivan

Specifically what extra information will be required? Will you be requiring names and addresses?

Names and address will be required to do trading. If you don't want to trade you don't have to give any information. We have seen way to many scams, people taking money when flaw in the software occurs. We are going apply numerous protections to make those things less likely.

[liie888coins]

Please elaborate why you are collecting emailaddresses with the EnergyCoin Android wallet? Thanks.

Why! Anywhere you register you need some identification. That's why.

Many other Android wallets do not require email registration at all like i.e. the Guldencoin wallet.
I donated 0.5 BTC and 2.5 million EnergyCoin to the EnergyCoin team. I am just asking a legit question.
Your answer is a bit disappointing the least.

Every single legitimate institution will ask you for at least email If not for your name and address as well. And yes your question was legit but kind of silly. I don't think we should allow money laundering and scums. For that reason with next version everyone using the wallet needa to supply further infomation. As all is for yours and our protection.
  No sees me complaining about the software or what has been done, or much I have donated. We all need to step up and actually make a difference If we strongly believe in something. Profits and success will follow shortly after. If anyone fell that has beem let down, please ask Jan and me and you will have your investments returned.
  Digithusiast, I appreciate your support so far as you are the only person that made through financial contribution from the original first few of us that still pushing this project. Thank you for that.


Regards
Ivan

Specifically what extra information will be required? Will you be requiring names and addresses?

Names and address will be required to do trading. If you don't want to trade you don't have to give any information. We have seen way to many scams, people taking money when flaw in the software occurs. We are going apply numerous protections to make those things less likely.

I understand we need some level of security protections but please be a bit more reasonable.

For crypto trading, no crypto exchange really requires names or addresses to register. Most of them require only emails for registration. Only when you need to trade for fiat you may need to supply more information.

Will ENRG Android wallet allow direct trading with fiat? If the answer is no, I'm afraid email registration should be enough.

[SaintFrantic]

Please elaborate why you are collecting emailaddresses with the EnergyCoin Android wallet? Thanks.

Why! Anywhere you register you need some identification. That's why.

Many other Android wallets do not require email registration at all like i.e. the Guldencoin wallet.
I donated 0.5 BTC and 2.5 million EnergyCoin to the EnergyCoin team. I am just asking a legit question.
Your answer is a bit disappointing the least.

Every single legitimate institution will ask you for at least email If not for your name and address as well. And yes your question was legit but kind of silly. I don't think we should allow money laundering and scums. For that reason with next version everyone using the wallet needa to supply further infomation. As all is for yours and our protection.
  No sees me complaining about the software or what has been done, or much I have donated. We all need to step up and actually make a difference If we strongly believe in something. Profits and success will follow shortly after. If anyone fell that has beem let down, please ask Jan and me and you will have your investments returned.
  Digithusiast, I appreciate your support so far as you are the only person that made through financial contribution from the original first few of us that still pushing this project. Thank you for that.


Regards
Ivan

Specifically what extra information will be required? Will you be requiring names and addresses?

Names and address will be required to do trading. If you don't want to trade you don't have to give any information. We have seen way to many scams, people taking money when flaw in the software occurs. We are going apply numerous protections to make those things less likely.

I understand we need some level of security protections but please be a bit more reasonable.

For crypto trading, no crypto exchange really requires names or addresses to register. Most of them require only emails for registration. Only when you need to trade for fiat you may need to supply more information.

Will ENRG Android wallet allow direct trading with fiat? If the answer is no, I'm afraid email registration should be enough.

We can debate over and ovet again that won't chamge the fact we will do it. Once people get burned several times they themselves will be the advocates for that information to be collected.  If we want the rest of the world to accept us as serious about this being currency we need to do it as every serious business out there does it.

  I personally don't have anything to hide. Do you?

[kawa900jc]

Will ENRG Android wallet allow direct trading with fiat? If the answer is no, I'm afraid email registration should be enough.

We are using the API of BITTREX. Some information is needed and you can trade if you give the information for trading.
If not then it is a "normal Android wallet" like almost each other coin has.
I think it is good if people can choice if the want to trade with the Android wallet, if not then no probleme, don't fill in the extra information.
The disign of the wallet is that you have to sign in for "offline POS". If you don't like that than don't use the wallet.
@Bittrex you can't trade fait into ENRG so the extra information is limited I think. No worries needed I think.

[Digithusiast]

Please elaborate why you are collecting emailaddresses with the EnergyCoin Android wallet? Thanks.

Why! Anywhere you register you need some identification. That's why.

Many other Android wallets do not require email registration at all like i.e. the Guldencoin wallet.
I donated 0.5 BTC and 2.5 million EnergyCoin to the EnergyCoin team. I am just asking a legit question.
Your answer is a bit disappointing the least.

Every single legitimate institution will ask you for at least email If not for your name and address as well. And yes your question was legit but kind of silly. I don't think we should allow money laundering and scums. For that reason with next version everyone using the wallet needa to supply further infomation. As all is for yours and our protection.
  No sees me complaining about the software or what has been done, or much I have donated. We all need to step up and actually make a difference If we strongly believe in something. Profits and success will follow shortly after. If anyone fell that has beem let down, please ask Jan and me and you will have your investments returned.
  Digithusiast, I appreciate your support so far as you are the only person that made through financial contribution from the original first few of us that still pushing this project. Thank you for that.


Regards
Ivan

Specifically what extra information will be required? Will you be requiring names and addresses?

Names and address will be required to do trading. If you don't want to trade you don't have to give any information. We have seen way to many scams, people taking money when flaw in the software occurs. We are going apply numerous protections to make those things less likely.

I understand we need some level of security protections but please be a bit more reasonable.

For crypto trading, no crypto exchange really requires names or addresses to register. Most of them require only emails for registration. Only when you need to trade for fiat you may need to supply more information.

Will ENRG Android wallet allow direct trading with fiat? If the answer is no, I'm afraid email registration should be enough.

We can debate over and ovet again that won't chamge the fact we will do it. Once people get burned several times they themselves will be the advocates for that information to be collected.  If we want the rest of the world to accept us as serious about this being currency we need to do it as every serious business out there does it.

  I personally don't have anything to hide. Do you?

Collecting personal data from your community/users will not help in stopping any potential abuse.
Thus collecting emailaddresses does not increase security at all. Therefor, if you say collecting emailadresses is being done for security reasons, I have my doubts that being the reason.
Maybe you are collecting emailaddresses/data to build up an userbase that will increase EnergyCoin value in example in relation to crypto4jan's project?
If so, just say so, so we can understand.

Without us knowing the real "why?", the only sure thing is that our emailaddresses are collected by you and the (external) coders of the wallet.
In fact that decreases the community/users identities security.
And please don't bully your community with hollow phrases like "I personally don't have anything to hide. Do you?".
Thank you.

[Harcon]

Please elaborate why you are collecting emailaddresses with the EnergyCoin Android wallet? Thanks.

Why! Anywhere you register you need some identification. That's why.

Many other Android wallets do not require email registration at all like i.e. the Guldencoin wallet.
I donated 0.5 BTC and 2.5 million EnergyCoin to the EnergyCoin team. I am just asking a legit question.
Your answer is a bit disappointing the least.

Every single legitimate institution will ask you for at least email If not for your name and address as well. And yes your question was legit but kind of silly. I don't think we should allow money laundering and scums. For that reason with next version everyone using the wallet needa to supply further infomation. As all is for yours and our protection.
  No sees me complaining about the software or what has been done, or much I have donated. We all need to step up and actually make a difference If we strongly believe in something. Profits and success will follow shortly after. If anyone fell that has beem let down, please ask Jan and me and you will have your investments returned.
  Digithusiast, I appreciate your support so far as you are the only person that made through financial contribution from the original first few of us that still pushing this project. Thank you for that.


Regards
Ivan

Specifically what extra information will be required? Will you be requiring names and addresses?

Names and address will be required to do trading. If you don't want to trade you don't have to give any information. We have seen way to many scams, people taking money when flaw in the software occurs. We are going apply numerous protections to make those things less likely.

I understand we need some level of security protections but please be a bit more reasonable.

For crypto trading, no crypto exchange really requires names or addresses to register. Most of them require only emails for registration. Only when you need to trade for fiat you may need to supply more information.

Will ENRG Android wallet allow direct trading with fiat? If the answer is no, I'm afraid email registration should be enough.

We can debate over and ovet again that won't chamge the fact we will do it. Once people get burned several times they themselves will be the advocates for that information to be collected.  If we want the rest of the world to accept us as serious about this being currency we need to do it as every serious business out there does it.

  I personally don't have anything to hide. Do you?

 Can I have your private keys to your Energy wallet? I mean, you seem to have nothing to hide, so that should not be a problem..

 My dark humor aside, EVERYONE has something to hide it matters not who you are. You do not go around giving bank details to strangers. Most people do not toss around their medical history with people they do not know. The vast majority of people I know would have a real problem if I let myself into their house and went tripping through their underwear and other personal effects.

 Right now, if people have not learned to ask questions for their own security, then they really need not be on the internet. Don't get me wrong, I generally think the info requirements for the wallet are reasonable but you used a poor choice of words to go after someone that is essentially just asking for clarification on why certain info is needed.

[crypto4jan]

The Wallet is online ? Hosted on a server somewhere that stake and everything ?

Or the keys are on Android device ?

Because it looks like the Android Wallet is just a client to an online Wallet.

This is an important Question for me, I won't host my coins on an online wallet where I'm not the only owner of keys, and security is a big deal for an online wallet.

It's possible to have lighweight clients that don't download the blockchain but connect to servers to verify blockchain (like electrum for Bitcoin)

I won't put my coins on a online storage, I prefer a local wallet that don't stake, don't allow me to trade, and don't ask me an email address.

In crypto world, if you don't hold the keys, you don't hold the coins.

And if it's like it seem, an online wallet, be sure that it's not hacked, or this project will undermine ENRG value, as a large stock of coins stolen on a POS cryptocurrencie often means it's death.

I agree with you concerns.
I hope that a solution is there for.

[kawa900jc]

Hi dear EnergyCoin community,

Maybe we need a multipool.
I saw it by serveral other POS coins the last week and it is very easy to set-up.
Some examples:
http://thepool.pw/BALLS/
http://thepool.pw/HYP/
http://gaiaplatform.com/multipool/

They look all the same and setup for EnergyCoin is about 1 BTC.
There is 0.1 BTC left in the Community wallet.
So if there is 0.9 BTC total donation we can have our own multipool.

What do you think about this?
The HydroMining Shares EnergyGZH gives not so much buy presure as we wish now becouse the low BTC price.

[crypto4jan]

Up
Why are there no posts.
It is a great plan I have but I need some extra time because there is no external investor involved anymore.
@AlterraWUR there work 700 people and @WUR 5000! So we start with the project somewhere in 2015. By then you are to late to get cheap coins!
We have a database with all the trees in the Netherlands and it is then the largest GEO-location contest ever seen!
I talk with a lot of people and this can be a very BIG project. Only we start small in one favorite municipality with a lot of trees.
So keep you EnergyCoin and maybe I buy extra.

[crypto4jan]

For the registration I think it is a choice made by de developer.
In future release you can also trade you ENRG for BTC and then the application has to know who you are.
Also it makes the application thiner wher the block chain is not on your phone.
I hope this is an answer on concerns why the email adress is needed.

It's not even choice. We need to be transperant and avoid scams of any sort. Security will be priority.

Check this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=678849.msg9471260#msg9471260
The web wallet, that is maybe te solution.

[esotericizm]

The fact that you want personal information from me is enough to warrant my not using your services. If I wanted to hand over my personal details and let someone else control my finances I'd just go down to the bank!

There is 0 reason whatsoever that you would need my name and address because if I had nefarious intentions you certainly wouldn't get my real details anyway. You are only punishing legitmate users of your coin while anyone giving you there details is taking a HUGE RISK. I'm almost positive you will at some point sell user data to a 3rd party and thats just not on.

Do you plan on open sourcing your android wallet for peer review?

[kawa900jc]

The fact that you want personal information from me is enough to warrant my not using your services. If I wanted to hand over my personal details and let someone else control my finances I'd just go down to the bank!

There is 0 reason whatsoever that you would need my name and address because if I had nefarious intentions you certainly wouldn't get my real details anyway. You are only punishing legitmate users of your coin while anyone giving you there details is taking a HUGE RISK. I'm almost positive you will at some point sell user data to a 3rd party and thats just not on.

Do you plan on open sourcing your android wallet for peer review?

I agree with the privicy.
I know we can solve this so no email is needed.

[kawa900jc]

It is disapointed that some people don't have patient and dump their coins.
It doesn't change the plans I have and I believe I can create value with EnergyCoin in 2015.
I look at other coins sure but my first coin is EnergyCoin the Green CryptoCrrency of the future!
I do not buy now! If you want dump I have a buywall @ one Satoshi!

[liie888coins]

Please elaborate why you are collecting emailaddresses with the EnergyCoin Android wallet? Thanks.

Why! Anywhere you register you need some identification. That's why.

Many other Android wallets do not require email registration at all like i.e. the Guldencoin wallet.
I donated 0.5 BTC and 2.5 million EnergyCoin to the EnergyCoin team. I am just asking a legit question.
Your answer is a bit disappointing the least.

Every single legitimate institution will ask you for at least email If not for your name and address as well. And yes your question was legit but kind of silly. I don't think we should allow money laundering and scums. For that reason with next version everyone using the wallet needa to supply further infomation. As all is for yours and our protection.
  No sees me complaining about the software or what has been done, or much I have donated. We all need to step up and actually make a difference If we strongly believe in something. Profits and success will follow shortly after. If anyone fell that has beem let down, please ask Jan and me and you will have your investments returned.
  Digithusiast, I appreciate your support so far as you are the only person that made through financial contribution from the original first few of us that still pushing this project. Thank you for that.


Regards
Ivan

Specifically what extra information will be required? Will you be requiring names and addresses?

Names and address will be required to do trading. If you don't want to trade you don't have to give any information. We have seen way to many scams, people taking money when flaw in the software occurs. We are going apply numerous protections to make those things less likely.

I understand we need some level of security protections but please be a bit more reasonable.

For crypto trading, no crypto exchange really requires names or addresses to register. Most of them require only emails for registration. Only when you need to trade for fiat you may need to supply more information.

Will ENRG Android wallet allow direct trading with fiat? If the answer is no, I'm afraid email registration should be enough.

We can debate over and ovet again that won't chamge the fact we will do it. Once people get burned several times they themselves will be the advocates for that information to be collected.  If we want the rest of the world to accept us as serious about this being currency we need to do it as every serious business out there does it.

  I personally don't have anything to hide. Do you?

Again, please just be reasonable.

You don't need to provide anything more than an email address to register on Bittrex for ENRG/BTC trading, do you?

There are already some norms in crypto trading world about personal data collection. Anything more than that is deemed excessive. Why do you think people will still trade ENRG/BTC on Android wallet if they can easily open an account on Bittrex or other crypto exchanges with an email address only?

If you do want the rest of the world to accept ENRG as serious as an currency, you can consider adding direct trading with fiat. Then you may collect extra personal data (other than email addresses) as people need to withdraw/deposit fiat directly.

[cherry11800]

It is disapointed that some people don't have patient and dump their coins.
It doesn't change the plans I have and I believe I can create value with EnergyCoin in 2015.
I look at other coins sure but my first coin is EnergyCoin the Green CryptoCrrency of the future!
I do not buy now! If you want dump I have a buywall @ one Satoshi!

I think for your project and investors, it's best if energycoin is low 

I continued to have confidence with energycoin

[crypto4jan]

It is disapointed that some people don't have patient and dump their coins.
It doesn't change the plans I have and I believe I can create value with EnergyCoin in 2015.
I look at other coins sure but my first coin is EnergyCoin the Green CryptoCrrency of the future!
I do not buy now! If you want dump I have a buywall @ one Satoshi!

I think for your project and investors, it's best if energycoin is low  

Agree but I have now 17% and more is now not needed.
I pay this from my private money so risk is to high to buy more.
If people want to quit I offer one Satoshi now for all the coins there are.
You can also donate to EnergyCoin Foundation.
The market has to do their job.

There are no investors involved by the project I go to start in 2015.
We just give people some coins if they provide the correct tree data in one municipality first.
We buy then coins at market price and the reward can vary with exchange rate.
Many students of green education we go ask to collect the tree data and also companies can join and earn coins.
I is great for the distribution of EnergyCoin and it is sad to see people have so low trust in the plans I project here.
In my imagination 500-5000 Satoshi gives more the real value for EnergyCoin now if you take into account what we are going to do.

The other question about the privacy if want to collect trees we sure want to know how you are.
If the data you provide is not correct we want to contact you in person!

The trading POS wallet is great idea and I really don't think it is necessary to provide more information as a valid email address.
If you want to use more options I can imagine that more information is needed if you want to do more then trading ENRG.

There are no plans now to integrate the tree collection reward App into a EnergyCoin wallet! For the reward you have to register to a web side with much personal data if you want to contribute to that project. If you don't want to register then you can't take part of the collection campaign.

Let me clear the Android trading App is not a part of the project I want to start in 2015!
Edit: maybe later when first municipality is a success.

[kawa900jc]

You are right, with a POS coin, holding to much coins kills the purpose of the coin.

I really like your project but the value will come from it and things that can exclusively done via ENRG.

Pumping the coin is not a good thing in my opinion

You are right.
That is the reason I stoped buying at market prices.
I think I spend 2 BTC the last 2 months.
The situation was differant, I was talking with investment broker but that was no option for my project.
I work @ a non-profit organisation and external investment is to complicated.
The amonth of coins I have is enough for now.
I hope that the privicy problems with the Android wallet can be solved and maybe other idea's of Team ENRG gives value to EnergyCoin before I start the project with the trees.

[crypto4jan]

More volume needed in Bittrex!

[kawa900jc]

UP: This market is in danger of de-listing due to low trade volume and lack of user interest. It may be removed on November 21st unless the average daily trade volume for the last 7 days exceeds 0.2 BTC.

Community go trading you coins before it is to late!
We need some volume @BITTREX!
There are some cheap sell orders buy them quick!

[ranlo]

UP: This market is in danger of de-listing due to low trade volume and lack of user interest. It may be removed on November 21st unless the average daily trade volume for the last 7 days exceeds 0.2 BTC.

Community go trading you coins before it is to late!
We need some volume @BITTREX!
There are some cheap sell orders buy them quick!

Volume is now at: BTC 0.90525271

But we need the average up to 0.2 for the last 7 days, so we need 1.4 or so total (0.5 more) guys!