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June 28, 2014, 12:52:17 AM
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I don't understand the price of this coin?  Why is it so high?  There are plenty of other coins that are superior to it that have a smaller market cap

Would you kindly enough explain the "superiority" of other coins with respect to Vericoin?

As for the price being high, the coin is being pumped and dumped at the moment by the Black Hand, an organized group rather infamous. Besides that, it is the first coin in cryptoland where the three developers have come forward with their real names, one of them a current programmer at one of the Microsoft's divisions. Logically that "first", along with the perceived qualities present and upcoming, have put a stamp of all around quality quite uncommon in the world of alts.

Black hand destroyed blackcoin, they will do the same to this.

Iconic Expert destroyed blackcoin. You need a history lesson.

Whoa! Hello! Blackcoin is still around! Destroyed is a little strong. Let's see what happens when the latest project is finished.

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June 28, 2014, 12:53:11 AM
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I don't understand the price of this coin?  Why is it so high?  There are plenty of other coins that are superior to it that have a smaller market cap

Would you kindly enough explain the "superiority" of other coins with respect to Vericoin?

As for the price being high, the coin is being pumped and dumped at the moment by the Black Hand, an organized group rather infamous. Besides that, it is the first coin in cryptoland where the three developers have come forward with their real names, one of them a current programmer at one of the Microsoft's divisions. Logically that "first", along with the perceived qualities present and upcoming, have put a stamp of all around quality quite uncommon in the world of alts.

Black hand destroyed blackcoin, they will do the same to this.

In that I be;lieve you could be close to the truth. With one caveat (potentially): The Black Hand totally control Blackcoin. From the inside and with full cooperation of the dev team on all aspect. Here, so far, I remain just suspicious and only after the outrageous and trade-marked pump and dump of 2 days ago -which I identified immediately-. One thing is that The Black Hand is trying to manipulate the market of VRC -I'm sure other groups do too-, and one quite different one is The Black Hand calling the shots, scheduling the purchases of the multipool, timing the announcements and being in the know withg total lack of transparency.

Vericoin, so far, is setting a new standard in transparency. Hopefully also in honesty. I'm more than willing to give them in principle the benefit of the doubt although the addition of Joel Bosch, a well know Black Hander, doesn't help this precisely. As long as everyone is given information at the same time and nobody plays with marked cards, the devs cannot have any control over who invests in the coin. And it is quite fine that they try to manipulate the markety. It goes with the territory. Will it kill the coin like it killed BC? Premature to say, I doubt it very much... if the devs, I repeat, are indeed clean and continue exhibiting model transparency.

For what has been shown so far (pending whatever involvement, if any, in the P&D of 2 days ago), I am satisfied, surprisingly satisfied even.

Is it weird that when I paste what you write in Microsoft Word, most of the time it says "Fragment. Consider revising."?

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June 28, 2014, 12:53:35 AM
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hahaha do you guys remember a few weeks ago when vericoin was in the 500-700 sat range. yes thats right 5-7 HUNDRED not thousand. And everyone was worrying and I came on here I was like wtf this coin is a good coin you guys are all crazy haha. read from pages 65-75 you will see what I was saying.

I bought 70,000 VRC lol. for .6 btc. Crazy right?

I sold them all, didn't keep any, i got them all out around 20k, but don't worry, I promise I won't FUD. I definitely regret selling, but whatever I made a lot of money, I guess that's what everyone wants right? I guess I can only be SO angry at myself.

Anyway, to those of you that still hold, and to those who bought in recently, best of luck to you!! This is a solid coin with lots of potential. All I want to do is warn you guys about wizfarm. He was involved in the bc debacle, and the cinni debacle...and I think we all realize the reason why bc and cinni price won't rise is because of the unfair distribution. To those of you who question wizfarms "deep pockets" and where he gets all that money from, bc and cinni are your answer. So I stay away from anything wizfarm is involved in and I wouldn't touch him with a 3987657 foot pole haha.

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"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."

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If you weren't a dev of vericoin that quote would have a lot more weight in this particular situation.

great quote though

sdmathis is not a dev of VeriCoin. He's just a very excited member of the community and appointed community manager because he tweets a lot Smiley.

Thank you for the correction. Dev, community manager, large holder, whatever, you understand my point.

I'm sick of trolls knocking our devs, I'm sick of trolls knocking our investors, and I'm sick of trolls knocking our supporters. Especially when those trolls have no idea what they are talking about.

Listen man if I was a troll I would be fudding the shit out of this coin.. I told you I bought at 700 sat and sold out early and I still am not trolling or fudding. I like vericoin and I respect it. Wizfarm is the only thing I have a problem with and I thought I made that clear, maybe you didn't actually read what I am saying.
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June 28, 2014, 12:54:18 AM
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I don't understand the price of this coin?  Why is it so high?  There are plenty of other coins that are superior to it that have a smaller market cap

Would you kindly enough explain the "superiority" of other coins with respect to Vericoin?

As for the price being high, the coin is being pumped and dumped at the moment by the Black Hand, an organized group rather infamous. Besides that, it is the first coin in cryptoland where the three developers have come forward with their real names, one of them a current programmer at one of the Microsoft's divisions. Logically that "first", along with the perceived qualities present and upcoming, have put a stamp of all around quality quite uncommon in the world of alts.

Black hand destroyed blackcoin, they will do the same to this.

Iconic Expert destroyed blackcoin. You need a history lesson.

They both did.  I do feel IE had good intentions in the beginning.


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June 28, 2014, 12:56:48 AM
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I don't understand the price of this coin?  Why is it so high?  There are plenty of other coins that are superior to it that have a smaller market cap
Wrong.  Those coins are junk compared to Vericoin and are not developing at anywhere near the rate nor quality of the Vericoin Devs.  As I said in an earlier post, Vericoin has a date with Darkcoin at the top of the altcoin world.   You can continue to be incredulous and in denial or you can open your eyes and see the future.  I've tried to help as many as I could improve their financial independence by going long this coin as much as they can.  Good Luck.
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June 28, 2014, 12:57:26 AM
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I don't understand the price of this coin?  Why is it so high?  There are plenty of other coins that are superior to it that have a smaller market cap

Would you kindly enough explain the "superiority" of other coins with respect to Vericoin?

As for the price being high, the coin is being pumped and dumped at the moment by the Black Hand, an organized group rather infamous. Besides that, it is the first coin in cryptoland where the three developers have come forward with their real names, one of them a current programmer at one of the Microsoft's divisions. Logically that "first", along with the perceived qualities present and upcoming, have put a stamp of all around quality quite uncommon in the world of alts.

Black hand destroyed blackcoin, they will do the same to this.

Iconic Expert destroyed blackcoin. You need a history lesson.

Having been there -and angrily antagonizing IE's in many of his enterprises, especially in his attempt at community manipulation of the market-, I happen to strongly disagree: IE's promotion's of BC MADE it and took it all the way to 95k. Logically when he took off, the coin suffered because of The Black Hand squeezing every single potential profit from investors.

I don't like most of what IE does -20% and pushing it- but he does good stuff promoting coins. I don't care for his irascible attitude and diva-like heated reactions who happen to hurt people including himself, but he made BC, everyone knows that.

I must add that I so strongly disagree with him not returning the donations for laziness that for that he has been included in THE WALL OF SHAME.

To Caesar's what's Caesar's....
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June 28, 2014, 12:58:22 AM
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1. "essentially inactive developer" - right there that showed me you don't know what you are talking about. Check RAT4's github account you will see over 3000 commits for bc, most coins get 20-50.

2. If you have been in crypto that long you should know how possible (and likely) it is that someone may show just one of their wallets.

3. "I'm not giving anything to him" Of course not. But You bought vericoin, and IF he has a lot of control over the coin, you are technically, inadvertently, giving him your btc. note that I said IF

I have the utmost respect for Rat4. I meant inactive as in on the forums/no twitter/etc. Please don't confuse my statement with disrespect. I even sent him 5000 of my own VeriCoin.

You called him an inactive dev man, that speaks for itsself. I am glad rat4 doesn't waste time on the forums and twitter...if he did, he would probably have less time to spend on developing the coin. Do you want your dev making improvements to the code of your coin, or hyping it on twitter and forums?
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June 28, 2014, 12:59:08 AM
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Is it weird that when I paste what you write in Microsoft Word, most of the time it says "Fragment. Consider revising."?

So good
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June 28, 2014, 01:00:10 AM
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I don't understand the price of this coin?  Why is it so high?  There are plenty of other coins that are superior to it that have a smaller market cap

Would you kindly enough explain the "superiority" of other coins with respect to Vericoin?

As for the price being high, the coin is being pumped and dumped at the moment by the Black Hand, an organized group rather infamous. Besides that, it is the first coin in cryptoland where the three developers have come forward with their real names, one of them a current programmer at one of the Microsoft's divisions. Logically that "first", along with the perceived qualities present and upcoming, have put a stamp of all around quality quite uncommon in the world of alts.

Black hand destroyed blackcoin, they will do the same to this.

Iconic Expert destroyed blackcoin. You need a history lesson.

Having been there -and angrily antagonizing IE's in many of his enterprises, especially in his attempt at community manipulation of the market-, I happen to strongly disagree: IE's promotion's of BC MADE it and took it all the way to 95k. Logically when he took off, the coin suffered because of The Black Hand squeezing every single potential profit from investors.

I don't like most of what IE does -20% and pushing it- but he does good stuff promoting coins. I don't care for his irascible attitude and diva-like heated reactions who happen to hurt people including himself, but he made BC, everyone knows that.

I must add that I so strongly disagree with him not returning the donations for laziness that for that he has been included in THE WALL OF SHAME.

To Caesar's what's Caesar's....

How come you are talking about yourself this way dude?

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June 28, 2014, 01:00:19 AM
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Until you have acceptance you are not superior.  Everything revolves around bitcoin. 

Nothing revolves around bitcoin except it is tied to the almighty dollar.
BTC is one of the biggest scamcoins ever made, with hordes of btc stockpiled by criminals and giant farms (you know the guys who screwed over our hobby and killed the whole reason btc was invented)
Only to be prostituted as the saving grace in mobile money transfer. Yeah right. Its a bloat ridden slow and ageing dinosaur, and will become extinct with a superior tech advance.

I would back an Altcoin alternative any day that is faster, more user friendly and hasn't been captured by the above dictators of finance, and is kept fully decentralised.
If Vericoin can get paired to the US dollar, and Devs keep bringing these goodies to the table, I'm telling you all hell is going to break lose eventually.

This coin is run by the community, like btc used to be before it was basically stolen from us by liars, cheats and scammers.
Their are many mistakes to learn from history and that is the beauty of tech. It constantly evolves and something better always replaces it.




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June 28, 2014, 01:02:43 AM
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I don't understand the price of this coin?  Why is it so high?  There are plenty of other coins that are superior to it that have a smaller market cap

Would you kindly enough explain the "superiority" of other coins with respect to Vericoin?

As for the price being high, the coin is being pumped and dumped at the moment by the Black Hand, an organized group rather infamous. Besides that, it is the first coin in cryptoland where the three developers have come forward with their real names, one of them a current programmer at one of the Microsoft's divisions. Logically that "first", along with the perceived qualities present and upcoming, have put a stamp of all around quality quite uncommon in the world of alts.

Black hand destroyed blackcoin, they will do the same to this.

In that I be;lieve you could be close to the truth. With one caveat (potentially): The Black Hand totally control Blackcoin. From the inside and with full cooperation of the dev team on all aspect. Here, so far, I remain just suspicious and only after the outrageous and trade-marked pump and dump of 2 days ago -which I identified immediately-. One thing is that The Black Hand is trying to manipulate the market of VRC -I'm sure other groups do too-, and one quite different one is The Black Hand calling the shots, scheduling the purchases of the multipool, timing the announcements and being in the know withg total lack of transparency.

Vericoin, so far, is setting a new standard in transparency. Hopefully also in honesty. I'm more than willing to give them in principle the benefit of the doubt although the addition of Joel Bosch, a well know Black Hander, doesn't help this precisely. As long as everyone is given information at the same time and nobody plays with marked cards, the devs cannot have any control over who invests in the coin. And it is quite fine that they try to manipulate the markety. It goes with the territory. Will it kill the coin like it killed BC? Premature to say, I doubt it very much... if the devs, I repeat, are indeed clean and continue exhibiting model transparency.

For what has been shown so far (pending whatever involvement, if any, in the P&D of 2 days ago), I am satisfied, surprisingly satisfied even.

We'll there is probably 2-4 groups involved in veri currently.  Add Wo into the mix and it going to be fun to watch.

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June 28, 2014, 01:03:52 AM
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I don't understand the price of this coin?  Why is it so high?  There are plenty of other coins that are superior to it that have a smaller market cap

Would you kindly enough explain the "superiority" of other coins with respect to Vericoin?

As for the price being high, the coin is being pumped and dumped at the moment by the Black Hand, an organized group rather infamous. Besides that, it is the first coin in cryptoland where the three developers have come forward with their real names, one of them a current programmer at one of the Microsoft's divisions. Logically that "first", along with the perceived qualities present and upcoming, have put a stamp of all around quality quite uncommon in the world of alts.

Black hand destroyed blackcoin, they will do the same to this.

Iconic Expert destroyed blackcoin. You need a history lesson.

Whoa! Hello! Blackcoin is still around! Destroyed is a little strong. Let's see what happens when the latest project is finished.

don't tell them about it...let them think bc is dead.
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June 28, 2014, 01:04:41 AM
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I don't understand the price of this coin?  Why is it so high?  There are plenty of other coins that are superior to it that have a smaller market cap

Would you kindly enough explain the "superiority" of other coins with respect to Vericoin?

As for the price being high, the coin is being pumped and dumped at the moment by the Black Hand, an organized group rather infamous. Besides that, it is the first coin in cryptoland where the three developers have come forward with their real names, one of them a current programmer at one of the Microsoft's divisions. Logically that "first", along with the perceived qualities present and upcoming, have put a stamp of all around quality quite uncommon in the world of alts.

Black hand destroyed blackcoin, they will do the same to this.

Iconic Expert destroyed blackcoin. You need a history lesson.

They both did.  I do feel IE had good intentions in the beginning.




please people...if you want to talk about other coins please leave. We all met Joel we can formulate our opinions without listening to you and others spreading you angry thoughts. Vericoin has value this is why it is moving up. Anyone who understands the definition and knows the equation of value can see that. We do not need to know about "The Black Arm" or "How blackcoin...." This coin will thrive either get on the train with us or just wait till the devs do another video call and ask your concerns then. Get back to work nos Tongue.  I meen the fact that they the devs respond back to you means they care... yes or no. So just relax and enjoy the ride.
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June 28, 2014, 01:05:20 AM
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price manipulated / managed by hype /pump/dumpteams for sure
like most of coins
everybody knows that.

altcoincasinogulagshoppingshow FUD is good, look @altcoin prices ...
pls fud me hard via pm
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June 28, 2014, 01:05:31 AM
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hahaha do you guys remember a few weeks ago when vericoin was in the 500-700 sat range. yes thats right 5-7 HUNDRED not thousand. And everyone was worrying and I came on here I was like wtf this coin is a good coin you guys are all crazy haha. read from pages 65-75 you will see what I was saying.

I bought 70,000 VRC lol. for .6 btc. Crazy right?

I sold them all, didn't keep any, i got them all out around 20k, but don't worry, I promise I won't FUD. I definitely regret selling, but whatever I made a lot of money, I guess that's what everyone wants right? I guess I can only be SO angry at myself.

Anyway, to those of you that still hold, and to those who bought in recently, best of luck to you!! This is a solid coin with lots of potential. All I want to do is warn you guys about wizfarm. He was involved in the bc debacle, and the cinni debacle...and I think we all realize the reason why bc and cinni price won't rise is because of the unfair distribution. To those of you who question wizfarms "deep pockets" and where he gets all that money from, bc and cinni are your answer. So I stay away from anything wizfarm is involved in and I wouldn't touch him with a 3987657 foot pole haha.

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"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."

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http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/abrahamlin109276.html

If you weren't a dev of vericoin that quote would have a lot more weight in this particular situation.

great quote though

sdmathis is not a dev of VeriCoin. He's just a very excited member of the community and appointed community manager because he tweets a lot Smiley.

Thank you for the correction. Dev, community manager, large holder, whatever, you understand my point.

I'm sick of trolls knocking our devs, I'm sick of trolls knocking our investors, and I'm sick of trolls knocking our supporters. Especially when those trolls have no idea what they are talking about.

Listen man if I was a troll I would be fudding the shit out of this coin.. I told you I bought at 700 sat and sold out early and I still am not trolling or fudding. I like vericoin and I respect it. Wizfarm is the only thing I have a problem with and I thought I made that clear, maybe you didn't actually read what I am saying.

Your comments about wizfarm are FUD.

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June 28, 2014, 01:06:07 AM
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I don't understand the price of this coin?  Why is it so high?  There are plenty of other coins that are superior to it that have a smaller market cap

Would you kindly enough explain the "superiority" of other coins with respect to Vericoin?

As for the price being high, the coin is being pumped and dumped at the moment by the Black Hand, an organized group rather infamous. Besides that, it is the first coin in cryptoland where the three developers have come forward with their real names, one of them a current programmer at one of the Microsoft's divisions. Logically that "first", along with the perceived qualities present and upcoming, have put a stamp of all around quality quite uncommon in the world of alts.

Black hand destroyed blackcoin, they will do the same to this.

Iconic Expert destroyed blackcoin. You need a history lesson.

Having been there -and angrily antagonizing IE's in many of his enterprises, especially in his attempt at community manipulation of the market-, I happen to strongly disagree: IE's promotion's of BC MADE it and took it all the way to 95k. Logically when he took off, the coin suffered because of The Black Hand squeezing every single potential profit from investors.

I don't like most of what IE does -20% and pushing it- but he does good stuff promoting coins. I don't care for his irascible attitude and diva-like heated reactions who happen to hurt people including himself, but he made BC, everyone knows that.

I must add that I so strongly disagree with him not returning the donations for laziness that for that he has been included in THE WALL OF SHAME.

To Caesar's what's Caesar's....

Yeah I feel the same way about IE and BC. He did the coin more good than bad.  He had great ideas and yes he did take that coin to 95k

When he left  BC died. 
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June 28, 2014, 01:08:06 AM
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I don't understand the price of this coin?  Why is it so high?  There are plenty of other coins that are superior to it that have a smaller market cap

There's no any superior coins compared to this! Plus imo the price is still very low... Multiply it by 10 and we are on the right track!

Bitcoin is superior.  

I fail to see the "superiority" but even admitting that it is way above and beyond all others, what is not in dispute is that it lacks severely in practicality due to the length of time required for transactions and total lack of anonymity. Not to mention many other implications from waste of electricity of a bulky blockchain that is far from being secured or even have a future -unless prices of BTC go high enough to make mining somewhat profitable. BTC is not practical for comon purchases on site as Vericoin and many other altos are.

But by way of comparison one assumes other altcoins, not necessarily Bitcoin. And all those cryptos that another poster mentions don't count, not even close, with the transparency and overall clean image of Vericoin which, quite frankly, has set a new standard in that field that the community, logically, has rewarded and I am quite sure will continue rewarding accordingly.

how is vericoin superior to second gen coins like nxt and nem? nem having proof of importance and solves the problem of ring structures? which trumps the "keep your wallet open, get more coins" thing?

what features does vericoin have over the two i mentioned(or features they can support but not yet implemented) other than dynamic interest?

can vericoin support:

asset exchange

digital goods store

physical good store

mmorpg's built on top of the blockchain and played within client

voting system

judgement system

multigateway for asset exchange

turing complete/automated transactions

autoDAC's

privacy controls (not just annon tx's but different levels of privicy, ie. hide balance but not transactions ect)

blockchain pruning

support for auctions

ability to integrate new features with out a fork/build features into the coin with out forking the network

what problems does vericoin solve that nem/nxt cant?

genuine questions.



I have to confess my ignorance about NEM. Never heard of it. Next, on the other hand, I know very, very well. And all I know about it, except for the complications nof it's wallet, is beyond positive... except it's distribution, which I am quite sure you know plenty about as the very serious problem that it is.

Other than that, excellent platform -for I consider it way more than just a currency-. But when one of the few owners of the coin can sink the price next to zero is he decides to cash out, that is an inadmissible risk in my book. That 99% of the "staking" -whatever they call it- benefits those very same few owners of 90% of the platform, is also inadmissible. That's why Vericoin is, from the stand point of potential investors, a much superior coin if the term can be applied in that sense.
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June 28, 2014, 01:11:18 AM
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Having been there -and angrily antagonizing IE's in many of his enterprises, especially in his attempt at community manipulation of the market-, I happen to strongly disagree: IE's promotion's of BC MADE it and took it all the way to 95k. Logically when he took off, the coin suffered because of The Black Hand squeezing every single potential profit from investors.

I don't like most of what IE does -20% and pushing it- but he does good stuff promoting coins. I don't care for his irascible attitude and diva-like heated reactions who happen to hurt people including himself, but he made BC, everyone knows that.

I must add that I so strongly disagree with him not returning the donations for laziness that for that he has been included in THE WALL OF SHAME.

To Caesar's what's Caesar's....

I strongly disagree with IE as the sole reason for taking BC to 95K. He contributed, but there were other people involved. How about making sure BC had no hidden premine or PoS actually worked. Everyone takes those things for granted. You shouldn't be talking about this in a Vericoin thread.

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June 28, 2014, 01:29:53 AM
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hahaha do you guys remember a few weeks ago when vericoin was in the 500-700 sat range. yes thats right 5-7 HUNDRED not thousand. And everyone was worrying and I came on here I was like wtf this coin is a good coin you guys are all crazy haha. read from pages 65-75 you will see what I was saying.

I bought 70,000 VRC lol. for .6 btc. Crazy right?

I sold them all, didn't keep any, i got them all out around 20k, but don't worry, I promise I won't FUD. I definitely regret selling, but whatever I made a lot of money, I guess that's what everyone wants right? I guess I can only be SO angry at myself.

Anyway, to those of you that still hold, and to those who bought in recently, best of luck to you!! This is a solid coin with lots of potential. All I want to do is warn you guys about wizfarm. He was involved in the bc debacle, and the cinni debacle...and I think we all realize the reason why bc and cinni price won't rise is because of the unfair distribution. To those of you who question wizfarms "deep pockets" and where he gets all that money from, bc and cinni are your answer. So I stay away from anything wizfarm is involved in and I wouldn't touch him with a 3987657 foot pole haha.

Miami - "A sunny place for shady people"

^I am from pembroke pines/ west palm beach area so I know what I am talking about haha



"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."

Abraham Lincoln

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/abrahamlin109276.html

If you weren't a dev of vericoin that quote would have a lot more weight in this particular situation.

great quote though

sdmathis is not a dev of VeriCoin. He's just a very excited member of the community and appointed community manager because he tweets a lot Smiley.

Thank you for the correction. Dev, community manager, large holder, whatever, you understand my point.

I'm sick of trolls knocking our devs, I'm sick of trolls knocking our investors, and I'm sick of trolls knocking our supporters. Especially when those trolls have no idea what they are talking about.

Listen man if I was a troll I would be fudding the shit out of this coin.. I told you I bought at 700 sat and sold out early and I still am not trolling or fudding. I like vericoin and I respect it. Wizfarm is the only thing I have a problem with and I thought I made that clear, maybe you didn't actually read what I am saying.

Your comments about wizfarm are FUD.

not necessarily, it seems you have a loose definition of fud. I came on to the forum and congratulated all vrc holders for making a good investment and respectfully acknowledged that I sold too early, nowhere in that did I have anything bad to say about vericoin.

While I was at it, I also thought it might be a decent idea to express my thoughts on wizfarm. I am sure wizfarm is a nice guy, but he is not someone I would trust, and it's for a good reason, I think I made that part clear. I do not know him in real life, and I have not been stolen from or burned by him, etc. so there is no personal/previous bias associated with my dislike for wizfarm. I just figured I might remind people not to trust certain individuals who have a track record of manipulation, cus people don't know about wizfarm unless they were with bc or cinni and not everyone here has been in cinni or bc. thats all. you can call it fudding or trolling if you want but I don't think very many other people will see it that way
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Its been good for me as an early investor in this coin to see how professional things are being run.


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