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June 30, 2014, 09:18:17 PM
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Well... nice reload!  Grin
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But it's worth keeping an eye on the lower trend because with that and slippage a trader might find themselves unable to buy back in without a loss.

true but even lets says someone bought @55654 and now comes the cry it still ok , i can bet him 1btc that he will make money probably in the next 24h-48h thats for sure , unless there is somehow a huge scandal involved with the devs , project dies or major fraud, but thats not happenig. Its just these days people forgot about patience and want a million VRC in an hour.  Grin
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June 30, 2014, 09:24:13 PM
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Only 48516 vrc outside of top 1000 wallets (top 1k has 99.82% of all coins)

Its a bit weird that the distribution has not changed at all even if vrc has these high volume days. Left hand to right hand trades to get volume up? AKA. manipulation
http://chainz.cryptoid.info/vrc/#!rich

You do relealize that a lot of those wallets are on exchanges...there might be some manipulation but not as much some other alt-coins
Yes i do, that's why I said that it is weird that it hasn't CHANGED
No new wallets created with any vrc in them
Was 2000 wallets roughly before this big run got started, during that week about 500 where created, then in past week we jumped to 4200 wallets.

I have a wallet, I have 1 VRC in it. You got people with 500k+ in top 10. It makes complete sense. Most coins are about same numbers.
Ok tbh the top 1k wallets held 99.93% of coins 2 weeks ago and now only 99.82%. My bad
Are you a troll who is butthurt he's not long this coin or just retarded.  Virtually every single virtual currency has 99% of the coins in the top 1000 wallets!!  This is because there's just not alot of people in crypto.  Now quit being a dumbass and go try to FUD your illogical BS somewhere else.
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June 30, 2014, 09:24:48 PM
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Will Vericoin pay taxes and will that be public record?

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Will it go back to 50K?

offcourse 50k with these pumpers is 30sec and its up there. i think we will see 52 in a while , i was exaclly right 2 times today lets see if i can go 3 times  Grin

here you go sir just like i predicted 3 time today?
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June 30, 2014, 09:48:04 PM
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Will Vericoin pay taxes and will that be public record?

State and local revenue (income) taxes

Again, there's no general rule that applies in every state and city. Sometimes all nonprofit income is exempt. Sometimes it matters how the income was earned, or what it's for. Sometimes the state or local rules parallel the federal tax statutes; sometimes they are completely different.

So I guess we need to establish what state VeriCoin is centralized in. That is hard to do however, as it doesn't reside anywhere.

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June 30, 2014, 09:49:11 PM
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Will Vericoin pay taxes and will that be public record?

i think as long as bitcoin does it, vericoin is good to go  Wink

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June 30, 2014, 09:50:07 PM
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One question about VeriBit:

If the markets starts to crash, and ppl will liquidate vrc to btc through the veribit, will the btc buffer take market depth into account or can i get a better price of my VRC via veribit in a fast declining market? That would make the buffer bleed.

Edit:
Thinking of this some more. If we have a crashing market, veribit makes it even easier for users to dump VRC directly from wallet and you will probably get a better price than transferring to exchange, waiting for confirmation and trading.
This would accelerate the crash and bleed out the veribit buffer.


Anyone?

To add to this:
If i think price is falling, i can open up a veribit address for my mintpal btc deposit address and wait. If price drops, i can sell my vrc for the price 15 minutes ago and buy back lower. If it doesn't, i can just cancel the transaction.

Or have I misunderstood? Looks like bear market trading without risk. Of course it will consume the btc buffer in veribit
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June 30, 2014, 09:52:28 PM
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One question about VeriBit:

If the markets starts to crash, and ppl will liquidate vrc to btc through the veribit, will the btc buffer take market depth into account or can i get a better price of my VRC via veribit in a fast declining market? That would make the buffer bleed.

Edit:
Thinking of this some more. If we have a crashing market, veribit makes it even easier for users to dump VRC directly from wallet and you will probably get a better price than transferring to exchange, waiting for confirmation and trading.
This would accelerate the crash and bleed out the veribit buffer.


Anyone?

To add to this:
If i think price is falling, i can open up a veribit address for my mintpal btc deposit address and wait. If price drops, i can sell my vrc for the price 15 minutes ago and buy back lower. If it doesn't, i can just cancel the transaction.

Or have I misunderstood? Looks like bear market trading without risk. Of course it will consume the btc buffer in veribit

Once you are in the blockchain its irreversible. If you where to cancel it prior. No orders would executed at that time.

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June 30, 2014, 09:56:45 PM
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One question about VeriBit:

If the markets starts to crash, and ppl will liquidate vrc to btc through the veribit, will the btc buffer take market depth into account or can i get a better price of my VRC via veribit in a fast declining market? That would make the buffer bleed.

Edit:
Thinking of this some more. If we have a crashing market, veribit makes it even easier for users to dump VRC directly from wallet and you will probably get a better price than transferring to exchange, waiting for confirmation and trading.
This would accelerate the crash and bleed out the veribit buffer.


Anyone?

To add to this:
If i think price is falling, i can open up a veribit address for my mintpal btc deposit address and wait. If price drops, i can sell my vrc for the price 15 minutes ago and buy back lower. If it doesn't, i can just cancel the transaction.

Or have I misunderstood? Looks like bear market trading without risk. Of course it will consume the btc buffer in veribit

Once you are in the blockchain its irreversible. If you where to cancel it prior. No orders would executed at that time.

I understood the veribit address is active for 15 minutes based from the price of vrc from the time you open up the veribit address
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June 30, 2014, 10:11:01 PM
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Will Vericoin pay taxes and will that be public record?

i think as long as bitcoin does it, vericoin is good to go  Wink

My concern is whoever controls VeriFund has to pay taxes. Everytime someone uses VeriSend, Veribit, or in the future pay with credit card is a taxable event. I'm not 100% sure how Verisend works, but changing Vericoins to BTC is technically a taxable event. Buying VRC with credit cards in the future definitely will be.

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June 30, 2014, 10:13:01 PM
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Will Vericoin pay taxes and will that be public record?

i think as long as bitcoin does it, vericoin is good to go  Wink

My concern is whoever controls VeriFund has to pay taxes. Everytime someone uses VeriSend, Veribit, or in the future pay with credit card is a taxable event. I'm not 100% sure how Verisend works, but changing Vericoins to BTC is technically a taxable event. Buying VRC with credit cards in the future definitely will be.

Are you a tax professional?

Or are you assuming this? What is your background in this field?

I'll say it again, here are tax laws im assuming you feel are being violated.



State and local revenue (income) taxes

Again, there's no general rule that applies in every state and city. Sometimes all nonprofit income is exempt. Sometimes it matters how the income was earned, or what it's for. Sometimes the state or local rules parallel the federal tax statutes; sometimes they are completely different.


So where is the specific issue?

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June 30, 2014, 10:14:32 PM
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One question about VeriBit:

If the markets starts to crash, and ppl will liquidate vrc to btc through the veribit, will the btc buffer take market depth into account or can i get a better price of my VRC via veribit in a fast declining market? That would make the buffer bleed.

Edit:
Thinking of this some more. If we have a crashing market, veribit makes it even easier for users to dump VRC directly from wallet and you will probably get a better price than transferring to exchange, waiting for confirmation and trading.
This would accelerate the crash and bleed out the veribit buffer.


Anyone?

To add to this:
If i think price is falling, i can open up a veribit address for my mintpal btc deposit address and wait. If price drops, i can sell my vrc for the price 15 minutes ago and buy back lower. If it doesn't, i can just cancel the transaction.

Or have I misunderstood? Looks like bear market trading without risk. Of course it will consume the btc buffer in veribit

Once you are in the blockchain its irreversible. If you where to cancel it prior. No orders would executed at that time.

I understood the veribit address is active for 15 minutes based from the price of vrc from the time you open up the veribit address

And you can open up more than 1 at a time, hold them open and push through many transactions at once using a script. This will be hilarious when exploited.

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June 30, 2014, 10:16:21 PM
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One question about VeriBit:

If the markets starts to crash, and ppl will liquidate vrc to btc through the veribit, will the btc buffer take market depth into account or can i get a better price of my VRC via veribit in a fast declining market? That would make the buffer bleed.

Edit:
Thinking of this some more. If we have a crashing market, veribit makes it even easier for users to dump VRC directly from wallet and you will probably get a better price than transferring to exchange, waiting for confirmation and trading.
This would accelerate the crash and bleed out the veribit buffer.


Anyone?

To add to this:
If i think price is falling, i can open up a veribit address for my mintpal btc deposit address and wait. If price drops, i can sell my vrc for the price 15 minutes ago and buy back lower. If it doesn't, i can just cancel the transaction.

Or have I misunderstood? Looks like bear market trading without risk. Of course it will consume the btc buffer in veribit

My friend just mentioned this to me, and yes you can do this over and over risk free. You could even create a bot to do this and grab money on every drop. Open multiple instances at a time to maximize profits.

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June 30, 2014, 10:18:42 PM
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One question about VeriBit:

If the markets starts to crash, and ppl will liquidate vrc to btc through the veribit, will the btc buffer take market depth into account or can i get a better price of my VRC via veribit in a fast declining market? That would make the buffer bleed.

Edit:
Thinking of this some more. If we have a crashing market, veribit makes it even easier for users to dump VRC directly from wallet and you will probably get a better price than transferring to exchange, waiting for confirmation and trading.
This would accelerate the crash and bleed out the veribit buffer.


Anyone?

To add to this:
If i think price is falling, i can open up a veribit address for my mintpal btc deposit address and wait. If price drops, i can sell my vrc for the price 15 minutes ago and buy back lower. If it doesn't, i can just cancel the transaction.

Or have I misunderstood? Looks like bear market trading without risk. Of course it will consume the btc buffer in veribit

My friend just mentioned this to me, and yes you can do this over and over risk free. You could even create a bot to do this and grab money on every drop. Open multiple instances at a time to maximize profits.

The moment this happens, the buffer goes up from 2 VRC to make it unprofitable until a solution is found. You all really don't troll well.


As with everything new, its being done on a small scale to weed out shitheads like you who take advantage of a good thing.

Actually, actions of you and your friend help strengthen and motivate teams like VeriCoin to progress and make them more secure.



So troll away, an issue of today, is a solution of tomorrow.  Roll Eyes

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June 30, 2014, 10:20:58 PM
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One question about VeriBit:

If the markets starts to crash, and ppl will liquidate vrc to btc through the veribit, will the btc buffer take market depth into account or can i get a better price of my VRC via veribit in a fast declining market? That would make the buffer bleed.

Edit:
Thinking of this some more. If we have a crashing market, veribit makes it even easier for users to dump VRC directly from wallet and you will probably get a better price than transferring to exchange, waiting for confirmation and trading.
This would accelerate the crash and bleed out the veribit buffer.


Anyone?

To add to this:
If i think price is falling, i can open up a veribit address for my mintpal btc deposit address and wait. If price drops, i can sell my vrc for the price 15 minutes ago and buy back lower. If it doesn't, i can just cancel the transaction.

Or have I misunderstood? Looks like bear market trading without risk. Of course it will consume the btc buffer in veribit

My friend just mentioned this to me, and yes you can do this over and over risk free. You could even create a bot to do this and grab money on every drop. Open multiple instances at a time to maximize profits.

The moment this happens, the buffer goes up from 2 VRC to make it unprofitable until a solution is found. You all really don't troll well.


As with everything new, its being done on a small scale to weed out shitheads like you who take advantage of a good thing.

Actually, actions of you and people like you help strengthen and motivate teams like VeriCoin to progress and make them more secure.



So troll away, an issue of today, is a solution of tomorrow.  Roll Eyes

You are getting mad because the designers didn't think far enough ahead to prevent obvious problems, this isn't an issue of trolls its an issue of bad design. If the price is raised to 2 VRC you just modify the bot to look for larger margins. If the solution is to continue to raise the fee then to what end, the feature becomes pointless because its unsustainable?

This is hacking not trolling, looking at how systems work and seeing how they can break. If they can't stand up to scrutinity then the system isn't good. This is why most good code is written in the open, unlike much of vericoins features which are closed source rush jobs.

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Actually, actions of you and your friend help strengthen and motivate teams like VeriCoin to progress and make them more secure.



That was the point i was trying to convey
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June 30, 2014, 10:23:29 PM
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Vericoin is officially #10 in Marketcap, right behind Blackcoin

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June 30, 2014, 10:24:19 PM
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Does anyone know if the wallet encryption key can be backed up?  Is it backed up with the wallet backup?

I'm asking because I'd like to know if an encrypted wallet backup can be restored on another computer.  I just don't have time to dig in the code right now...

im not sure if i understand your question.

If you want to know if you can restore an encrypted wallet, then the answer is yes (if you have your passphrase of course).

If you want to know if you can restore the Passphrase of your encrypted wallet, then no.

Thanks, the first answer is what I was asking about.  I'm going to test this out in a few minutes with a small wallet on an old computer.

1. Install wallet.
2. Encrypt wallet.
3. Send 1 VRC to it.
4. Stake wallet.
5. Backup wallet.
6. Copy wallet backup to another computer and import the wallet.
7. Just for fun, I'm wondering what will happen if the wallet is open on two computers...


Wallet installs take a while, even with the bootstrap.  Here's were I am, stuck at step 6.  Thinking I would save some time, I installed the wallet on computer#2, and declined the "import wallet" step during installation. Now that it is installed, I have no option to import a wallet.  I tried uninstalling vericoin and reinstalling, but I was not offered an import step.  How can you import a wallet after you have installed vericoin?

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June 30, 2014, 10:24:36 PM
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One question about VeriBit:

If the markets starts to crash, and ppl will liquidate vrc to btc through the veribit, will the btc buffer take market depth into account or can i get a better price of my VRC via veribit in a fast declining market? That would make the buffer bleed.

Edit:
Thinking of this some more. If we have a crashing market, veribit makes it even easier for users to dump VRC directly from wallet and you will probably get a better price than transferring to exchange, waiting for confirmation and trading.
This would accelerate the crash and bleed out the veribit buffer.


Anyone?

To add to this:
If i think price is falling, i can open up a veribit address for my mintpal btc deposit address and wait. If price drops, i can sell my vrc for the price 15 minutes ago and buy back lower. If it doesn't, i can just cancel the transaction.

Or have I misunderstood? Looks like bear market trading without risk. Of course it will consume the btc buffer in veribit

My friend just mentioned this to me, and yes you can do this over and over risk free. You could even create a bot to do this and grab money on every drop. Open multiple instances at a time to maximize profits.

The moment this happens, the buffer goes up from 2 VRC to make it unprofitable until a solution is found. You all really don't troll well.


As with everything new, its being done on a small scale to weed out shitheads like you who take advantage of a good thing.

Actually, actions of you and people like you help strengthen and motivate teams like VeriCoin to progress and make them more secure.



So troll away, an issue of today, is a solution of tomorrow.  Roll Eyes

You are getting mad because the designers didn't think far enough ahead to prevent obvious problems, this isn't an issue of trolls its an issue of bad design. If the price is raised to 2 VRC you just modify the bot to look for larger margins. If the solution is to continue to raise the fee then to what end, the feature becomes pointless because its unsustainable?

This is hacking not trolling, looking at how systems work and seeing how they can break. If they can't stand up to scrutinity then the system isn't good. This is why most good code is written in the open, unlike much of vericoins features which are closed source rush jobs.


Okay, so. To make this work, you need to BUY the VeriCoin, to make it drop in price?

Your logic in this is awesome. I am sure more brilliant minds like you are jumping in to Buy VeriCoin, to sell it in hopes of making a few % when they get it to crash?

Am I missing something? How is this intelligent in your eyes?

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