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July 23, 2014, 06:27:42 PM
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Hi there super fans  Cool
I was doing some research since my last post,i was gathering information from sites and my old books from the university about hot to attract investors in a new firm but i found basic stuff which are true to crypto currency too.If the community thinks that this could be a interesting info i can summarize it and post it if you agree with that.I don't want to be pain in the ass for nobody especially for the Super thread super coin super team and dev Smiley
Ok i am waiting for your opinion.Thanks   

By all means post it up. The super coin team have always been interested in getting the community involved with promotion and this would be a good way to go about it.

A tip is more than welcome if this post was helpful to you Smiley
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July 23, 2014, 06:51:36 PM
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What's happen today with super?
Dumped till 0.00001177 ?!?!?!?!?  Shocked Shocked Shocked



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July 23, 2014, 06:55:20 PM
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Hi there super fans  Cool
I was doing some research since my last post,i was gathering information from sites and my old books from the university about hot to attract investors in a new firm but i found basic stuff which are true to crypto currency too.If the community thinks that this could be a interesting info i can summarize it and post it if you agree with that.I don't want to be pain in the ass for nobody especially for the Super thread super coin super team and dev Smiley
Ok i am waiting for your opinion.Thanks   

By all means post it up. The super coin team have always been interested in getting the community involved with promotion and this would be a good way to go about it.

Let's hear it Smiley

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July 23, 2014, 07:13:52 PM
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Hey All. Posted this on same thing on MAMM's talk thread too. Mammoth I own some, Super -  not yet but I'd love a donation!  Wink
The vid I made for Riecoin: http://vimeo.com/87464754

---------------
OK so I'm making a video for Mammoth and Super's phase 2. The idea is I drop the script here, everything is out in the open. Let me know what you think and we adjust together. My thinking was that this gets shared at the release of phase 2 when the things said in it are actually true. Since for now it would all be lies!

I also noticed that some people maybe don't understand why this update would be so significant, so that was the focus of the video. So many cryptos claiming to be the next big thing, but this will live up to it if they pull it off- silly names or not. Since its just a promo, I also stuck to the ideas, not the technicals - let them read about how it works in the upcoming white papers.

Script: Aprx 1.5 - 2 mins

"Fear of a collapsing international banking system, government confiscations and underhanded spying and scrutinizing are driving the demand for safe ways to trade and hold wealth. Bitcoin's market developed around these principals. But Bitcoin we're finding out, isn't as anonymous as anyone had hoped it would be. There are crypto currencies offering dark and scary solutions to the anonymity problem, but ultimately they rely on some sort of centralization. Meaning a developer somewhere has privileged access and can view or alter the system. This defeats the whole purpose. Its neither decentralized or anonymous. How is trusting a developer any different than trusting a banker? What if the developer dies? Also, governments have a history of shutting down independent currencies. The only reason Bitcoin has survived is because no one can shut it down, its sustained by a community not a central provider. . .This is where Mammoth and Super Coin come in. They offer full anonymity AND decentralization. Transactions are processed through a complex system involving multi signature wallet addresses, and randomly selected nodes. The end result is a public ledger and a countable predictable money supply - but no one has the ability to see specific transactions!. . . .From burying chests of gold to the Bitcoin black market, currencies have always succeeded on how easily we can trust, trade and secure them.  Imagine a wallet that only you can know about and access that allows you to spend money anonymously anywhere in the world in mere seconds. This is the evolution of currency. Money has been made secure and its no longer anyone's business but your own."

I am here:
SUPER: SZBAk9zQwghtbJQPUNdiG6d8qdk5dzTQEg
MAMM: MWuGSjBjnvd6iZs3UPQf5ftu3BZbSFJDju
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July 23, 2014, 07:36:04 PM
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I tell you here: Within some weeks you ALL will say: "FABULA WAS RIGHT!"

I have no post here for at least 4 days when price was 2k!!
So, what's happen during this 4 days? No fudder at all and price still dumping?
Multipool out and price dumped more?
Phase 2 not yet announced(1 months after his announcement and still no roadmap?).
Is this serious for you?

Seems that phase2 will be the last chance for super to stay alive. LAST!
That's why dev is delaying it more and more.






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July 23, 2014, 07:40:55 PM
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Hi there super fans  Cool
I was doing some research since my last post,i was gathering information from sites and my old books from the university about hot to attract investors in a new firm but i found basic stuff which are true to crypto currency too.If the community thinks that this could be a interesting info i can summarize it and post it if you agree with that.I don't want to be pain in the ass for nobody especially for the Super thread super coin super team and dev Smiley
Ok i am waiting for your opinion.Thanks   

Yeah you should post it. This is something in the coin market, the dev are good with technology but not always in finance and PR.

3D Printing and Bitcoin, that's pretty cool.
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July 23, 2014, 07:44:05 PM
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What's happen today with super?
Dumped till 0.00001177 ?!?!?!?!?  Shocked Shocked Shocked

People gets impatient and dumped... Devs need time to implement phase-2, it seems that it is quite complicated. Once done, not easy to be copied by others... we need patience
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July 23, 2014, 08:07:37 PM
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I tell you here: Within some weeks you ALL will say: "FABULA WAS RIGHT!"

I have no post here for at least 4 days when price was 2k!!
So, what's happen during this 4 days? No fudder at all and price still dumping?
Multipool out and price dumped more?
Phase 2 not yet announced(1 months after his announcement and still no roadmap?).
Is this serious for you?

Seems that phase2 will be the last chance for super to stay alive. LAST!
That's why dev is delaying it more and more.








Actually it's 2 days and little bit more than 3 hours over that Grin

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July 23, 2014, 09:36:07 PM
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Hey All. Posted this on same thing on MAMM's talk thread too. Mammoth I own some, Super -  not yet but I'd love a donation!  Wink
The vid I made for Riecoin: http://vimeo.com/87464754

---------------
OK so I'm making a video for Mammoth and Super's phase 2. The idea is I drop the script here, everything is out in the open. Let me know what you think and we adjust together. My thinking was that this gets shared at the release of phase 2 when the things said in it are actually true. Since for now it would all be lies!

I also noticed that some people maybe don't understand why this update would be so significant, so that was the focus of the video. So many cryptos claiming to be the next big thing, but this will live up to it if they pull it off- silly names or not. Since its just a promo, I also stuck to the ideas, not the technicals - let them read about how it works in the upcoming white papers.

Script: Aprx 1.5 - 2 mins

"Fear of a collapsing international banking system, government confiscations and underhanded spying and scrutinizing are driving the demand for safe ways to trade and hold wealth. Bitcoin's market developed around these principals. But Bitcoin we're finding out, isn't as anonymous as anyone had hoped it would be. There are crypto currencies offering dark and scary solutions to the anonymity problem, but ultimately they rely on some sort of centralization. Meaning a developer somewhere has privileged access and can view or alter the system. This defeats the whole purpose. Its neither decentralized or anonymous. How is trusting a developer any different than trusting a banker? What if the developer dies? Also, governments have a history of shutting down independent currencies. The only reason Bitcoin has survived is because no one can shut it down, its sustained by a community not a central provider. . .This is where Mammoth and Super Coin come in. They offer full anonymity AND decentralization. Transactions are processed through a complex system involving multi signature wallet addresses, and randomly selected nodes. The end result is a public ledger and a countable predictable money supply - but no one has the ability to see specific transactions!. . . .From burying chests of gold to the Bitcoin black market, currencies have always succeeded on how easily we can trust, trade and secure them.  Imagine a wallet that only you can know about and access that allows you to spend money anonymously anywhere in the world in mere seconds. This is the evolution of currency. Money has been made secure and its no longer anyone's business but your own."

I am here:
SUPER: SZBAk9zQwghtbJQPUNdiG6d8qdk5dzTQEg
MAMM: MWuGSjBjnvd6iZs3UPQf5ftu3BZbSFJDju

+1

This is a good idea.

I sent you 420 SUPER.

Now get back to work on our video! lol

 Cheesy

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July 23, 2014, 10:50:53 PM
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Hey All. Posted this on same thing on MAMM's talk thread too. Mammoth I own some, Super -  not yet but I'd love a donation!  Wink
The vid I made for Riecoin: http://vimeo.com/87464754

---------------
OK so I'm making a video for Mammoth and Super's phase 2. The idea is I drop the script here, everything is out in the open. Let me know what you think and we adjust together. My thinking was that this gets shared at the release of phase 2 when the things said in it are actually true. Since for now it would all be lies!

I also noticed that some people maybe don't understand why this update would be so significant, so that was the focus of the video. So many cryptos claiming to be the next big thing, but this will live up to it if they pull it off- silly names or not. Since its just a promo, I also stuck to the ideas, not the technicals - let them read about how it works in the upcoming white papers.

Script: Aprx 1.5 - 2 mins

"Fear of a collapsing international banking system, government confiscations and underhanded spying and scrutinizing are driving the demand for safe ways to trade and hold wealth. Bitcoin's market developed around these principals. But Bitcoin we're finding out, isn't as anonymous as anyone had hoped it would be. There are crypto currencies offering dark and scary solutions to the anonymity problem, but ultimately they rely on some sort of centralization. Meaning a developer somewhere has privileged access and can view or alter the system. This defeats the whole purpose. Its neither decentralized or anonymous. How is trusting a developer any different than trusting a banker? What if the developer dies? Also, governments have a history of shutting down independent currencies. The only reason Bitcoin has survived is because no one can shut it down, its sustained by a community not a central provider. . .This is where Mammoth and Super Coin come in. They offer full anonymity AND decentralization. Transactions are processed through a complex system involving multi signature wallet addresses, and randomly selected nodes. The end result is a public ledger and a countable predictable money supply - but no one has the ability to see specific transactions!. . . .From burying chests of gold to the Bitcoin black market, currencies have always succeeded on how easily we can trust, trade and secure them.  Imagine a wallet that only you can know about and access that allows you to spend money anonymously anywhere in the world in mere seconds. This is the evolution of currency. Money has been made secure and its no longer anyone's business but your own."

I am here:
SUPER: SZBAk9zQwghtbJQPUNdiG6d8qdk5dzTQEg
MAMM: MWuGSjBjnvd6iZs3UPQf5ftu3BZbSFJDju

+1

This is a good idea.

I sent you 420 SUPER.

Now get back to work on our video! lol

 Cheesy



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July 24, 2014, 01:01:48 AM
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Until now my rig is only with zeros. What did I do wrong?

Sad Sad

Can you please give some more details?

You can try to find your super wallet there and go into stats ->Extended stats

http://supermultipool.com/miners

You need to make sure you mine right port and right algo. For example you can mine on X13 port by X11 mining info structure.

I'm the second (down for up) and my value is really zero. I'm mining with x11 and I generated the URL in super pool page.

Maybe your config is wrong?
I'm doing just fine with the bellow settings, almost no rejects too, 18 MH/s with 2X 280X and 2X 290

Code:
{
"pools" : [
{

"url" : "stratum+tcp://euwest.supermultipool.com:3333",

"user" : "wallet",

"pass" : "d=0.8192"

},

{

"url" : "stratum+tcp://useast.supermultipool.com:3333",

"user" : "wallet",


}
],

"api-allow" : "127.0.0.1",
"api-listen" : true,
"device" : "0,1,2,3",
"thread-concurrency" : "8193,8193,20481,20481",
"vectors" : "1,1,1,1",
"worksize" : "256,256,128,128",
"lookup-gap" : "2,2,2,2",
"gpu-engine" : "1050,1050,1030,1030,",
"gpu-memclock" : "1500,1500,1500,1500",
"gpu-threads" : "2,2,2,2",
"no-submit-stale" : true,
"expiry" : "30",
"queue" : "0",
"gpu-powertune" : "20,20,20,20",
"scan-time" : "1",
"auto-fan" : true,
"gpu-fan" : "30-90",
"intensity" : "20,20,20,20",
"temp-target" : "72",
"temp-overheat" : "80",
"temp-cutoff" : "84",

"kernel" : "x11mod",

"kernel-path" : "/usr/local/bin"
}

can you please screen cap the area where do you see no hashrate? It's difficult like this to pinpoint error area.

if you mean "30' Hashrate Average" is zero you might need to wait 30 minutes to see the stats.
you better check stats here http://supermultipool.com/YourWalletaddress


Tks guys, really thanks.

For the print, its working well.

But the rig site continue zero... For I can see, it's OK, right? Smiley

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July 24, 2014, 01:06:02 AM
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This is a more successful coin.I thought it is new?
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July 24, 2014, 01:24:01 AM
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Until now my rig is only with zeros. What did I do wrong?

Sad Sad

Can you please give some more details?

You can try to find your super wallet there and go into stats ->Extended stats

http://supermultipool.com/miners

You need to make sure you mine right port and right algo. For example you can mine on X13 port by X11 mining info structure.

I'm the second (down for up) and my value is really zero. I'm mining with x11 and I generated the URL in super pool page.

Maybe your config is wrong?
I'm doing just fine with the bellow settings, almost no rejects too, 18 MH/s with 2X 280X and 2X 290

Code:
{
"pools" : [
{

"url" : "stratum+tcp://euwest.supermultipool.com:3333",

"user" : "wallet",

"pass" : "d=0.8192"

},

{

"url" : "stratum+tcp://useast.supermultipool.com:3333",

"user" : "wallet",


}
],

"api-allow" : "127.0.0.1",
"api-listen" : true,
"device" : "0,1,2,3",
"thread-concurrency" : "8193,8193,20481,20481",
"vectors" : "1,1,1,1",
"worksize" : "256,256,128,128",
"lookup-gap" : "2,2,2,2",
"gpu-engine" : "1050,1050,1030,1030,",
"gpu-memclock" : "1500,1500,1500,1500",
"gpu-threads" : "2,2,2,2",
"no-submit-stale" : true,
"expiry" : "30",
"queue" : "0",
"gpu-powertune" : "20,20,20,20",
"scan-time" : "1",
"auto-fan" : true,
"gpu-fan" : "30-90",
"intensity" : "20,20,20,20",
"temp-target" : "72",
"temp-overheat" : "80",
"temp-cutoff" : "84",

"kernel" : "x11mod",

"kernel-path" : "/usr/local/bin"
}

can you please screen cap the area where do you see no hashrate? It's difficult like this to pinpoint error area.

if you mean "30' Hashrate Average" is zero you might need to wait 30 minutes to see the stats.
you better check stats here http://supermultipool.com/YourWalletaddress


Tks guys, really thanks.

For the print, its working well.

But the rig site continue zero... For I can see, it's OK, right? Smiley
But the rig site continue zero... For I can see, it's OK, right? Smiley

YES if pool can see the shares, it will pay, so have no worry at all.
Also thanks for the screen cap, it looks you spend some time on it Cheesy
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July 24, 2014, 05:00:11 AM
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Until now my rig is only with zeros. What did I do wrong?

Sad Sad

Can you please give some more details?

You can try to find your super wallet there and go into stats ->Extended stats

http://supermultipool.com/miners

You need to make sure you mine right port and right algo. For example you can mine on X13 port by X11 mining info structure.

I'm the second (down for up) and my value is really zero. I'm mining with x11 and I generated the URL in super pool page.

Maybe your config is wrong?
I'm doing just fine with the bellow settings, almost no rejects too, 18 MH/s with 2X 280X and 2X 290

Code:
{
"pools" : [
{

"url" : "stratum+tcp://euwest.supermultipool.com:3333",

"user" : "wallet",

"pass" : "d=0.8192"

},

{

"url" : "stratum+tcp://useast.supermultipool.com:3333",

"user" : "wallet",


}
],

"api-allow" : "127.0.0.1",
"api-listen" : true,
"device" : "0,1,2,3",
"thread-concurrency" : "8193,8193,20481,20481",
"vectors" : "1,1,1,1",
"worksize" : "256,256,128,128",
"lookup-gap" : "2,2,2,2",
"gpu-engine" : "1050,1050,1030,1030,",
"gpu-memclock" : "1500,1500,1500,1500",
"gpu-threads" : "2,2,2,2",
"no-submit-stale" : true,
"expiry" : "30",
"queue" : "0",
"gpu-powertune" : "20,20,20,20",
"scan-time" : "1",
"auto-fan" : true,
"gpu-fan" : "30-90",
"intensity" : "20,20,20,20",
"temp-target" : "72",
"temp-overheat" : "80",
"temp-cutoff" : "84",

"kernel" : "x11mod",

"kernel-path" : "/usr/local/bin"
}

can you please screen cap the area where do you see no hashrate? It's difficult like this to pinpoint error area.

if you mean "30' Hashrate Average" is zero you might need to wait 30 minutes to see the stats.
you better check stats here http://supermultipool.com/YourWalletaddress


Tks guys, really thanks.

For the print, its working well.

But the rig site continue zero... For I can see, it's OK, right? Smiley
But the rig site continue zero... For I can see, it's OK, right? Smiley

YES if pool can see the shares, it will pay, so have no worry at all.
Also thanks for the screen cap, it looks you spend some time on it Cheesy

Nice, great pool

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Please follow our thread about phase 2 weekly updates. Updates bring new exciting news from phase 2.
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July 24, 2014, 05:14:25 AM
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Hey All. Posted this on same thing on MAMM's talk thread too. Mammoth I own some, Super -  not yet but I'd love a donation!  Wink
The vid I made for Riecoin: http://vimeo.com/87464754

---------------
OK so I'm making a video for Mammoth and Super's phase 2. The idea is I drop the script here, everything is out in the open. Let me know what you think and we adjust together. My thinking was that this gets shared at the release of phase 2 when the things said in it are actually true. Since for now it would all be lies!

I also noticed that some people maybe don't understand why this update would be so significant, so that was the focus of the video. So many cryptos claiming to be the next big thing, but this will live up to it if they pull it off- silly names or not. Since its just a promo, I also stuck to the ideas, not the technicals - let them read about how it works in the upcoming white papers.

Script: Aprx 1.5 - 2 mins

"Fear of a collapsing international banking system, government confiscations and underhanded spying and scrutinizing are driving the demand for safe ways to trade and hold wealth. Bitcoin's market developed around these principals. But Bitcoin we're finding out, isn't as anonymous as anyone had hoped it would be. There are crypto currencies offering dark and scary solutions to the anonymity problem, but ultimately they rely on some sort of centralization. Meaning a developer somewhere has privileged access and can view or alter the system. This defeats the whole purpose. Its neither decentralized or anonymous. How is trusting a developer any different than trusting a banker? What if the developer dies? Also, governments have a history of shutting down independent currencies. The only reason Bitcoin has survived is because no one can shut it down, its sustained by a community not a central provider. . .This is where Mammoth and Super Coin come in. They offer full anonymity AND decentralization. Transactions are processed through a complex system involving multi signature wallet addresses, and randomly selected nodes. The end result is a public ledger and a countable predictable money supply - but no one has the ability to see specific transactions!. . . .From burying chests of gold to the Bitcoin black market, currencies have always succeeded on how easily we can trust, trade and secure them.  Imagine a wallet that only you can know about and access that allows you to spend money anonymously anywhere in the world in mere seconds. This is the evolution of currency. Money has been made secure and its no longer anyone's business but your own."

I am here:
SUPER: SZBAk9zQwghtbJQPUNdiG6d8qdk5dzTQEg
MAMM: MWuGSjBjnvd6iZs3UPQf5ftu3BZbSFJDju
It is a nice video, you seem to have a talent on videos but text seemed me little too long.

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July 24, 2014, 06:53:23 AM
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How to attract investors part I :
1.
Prove it works. Once you’ve built a business successfully — even a small one — investors are more likely to believe in you. Get an idea going, and achieve small successes to show you’ve got the drive to see things through. As someone who’s been on both sides of the table, I personally feel more confident investing in ideas that have already proven viable.
2.
Build relationships. Every person you meet is a potential investor or a contact who will lead you to one.
3.
Be likable. It’s impossible to raise money if investors don’t like you. Engage people and be friendly. Look sharp and exude positivity. An investor once told me that he chose to invest in my company because I was personable. “I know we have a winner here because of you. I like you,” he said.
4.
Diversity: The more well-rounded your investment group is, the better suited they’ll be to address the challenges your company will face. Look for investors with diverse backgrounds and experiences.
5.
Positivity: Supportive people can be the difference between a project’s success and failure. No company can grow without encountering problems. Finding people who remain confident through these times can improve your chances of success.
6.
Focus the discussion on issues that matter to investors. Companies should also recognize that different investors prioritize different issues. They should understand which issues their investors care most about, and tailor their communications accordingly. For example, when talking to pension funds, investor relations officers should take time to talk about the governance performance of their company and articulate how strong governance allows the company to nurture long-term value creation


Every good idea attracts more and more competitors. So when I look at a potential deal, I analyze the startup’s management team and ask ‘why them?’ I ask if this is a team that can build barriers to a potential competitor’s entry and I ask who on the team is going to implement the steps required to do that. Solid answers given to these questions will get my interest.
 I tell startups that they need a great narrative; a great story. Investors know and meet so many people that in time they all become a blur. But a great story of you and your startup. . . that's something that will always get attention of investors and it¹s something that'll be remembered.


So this is just a copy paste from the web guys,i have much more materials but i need time to translate them.I think this is enough for a first How to post so if you have any suggestions please do tell.
I am happy that i saw the IGNORE button in the avatar section of a user,i am glad that i have ignored some users who are spreading fud in different forms and ways.So Fabula if you are reading this please stop this because of the other users not for me,i have ignored you so i won't be frustrated by your negativity.
Thank you all

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July 24, 2014, 07:26:28 AM
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How to attract investors part I :
1.
Prove it works. Once you’ve built a business successfully — even a small one — investors are more likely to believe in you. Get an idea going, and achieve small successes to show you’ve got the drive to see things through. As someone who’s been on both sides of the table, I personally feel more confident investing in ideas that have already proven viable.
2.
Build relationships. Every person you meet is a potential investor or a contact who will lead you to one.
3.
Be likable. It’s impossible to raise money if investors don’t like you. Engage people and be friendly. Look sharp and exude positivity. An investor once told me that he chose to invest in my company because I was personable. “I know we have a winner here because of you. I like you,” he said.
4.
Diversity: The more well-rounded your investment group is, the better suited they’ll be to address the challenges your company will face. Look for investors with diverse backgrounds and experiences.
5.
Positivity: Supportive people can be the difference between a project’s success and failure. No company can grow without encountering problems. Finding people who remain confident through these times can improve your chances of success.
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Focus the discussion on issues that matter to investors. Companies should also recognize that different investors prioritize different issues. They should understand which issues their investors care most about, and tailor their communications accordingly. For example, when talking to pension funds, investor relations officers should take time to talk about the governance performance of their company and articulate how strong governance allows the company to nurture long-term value creation


Every good idea attracts more and more competitors. So when I look at a potential deal, I analyze the startup’s management team and ask ‘why them?’ I ask if this is a team that can build barriers to a potential competitor’s entry and I ask who on the team is going to implement the steps required to do that. Solid answers given to these questions will get my interest.
 I tell startups that they need a great narrative; a great story. Investors know and meet so many people that in time they all become a blur. But a great story of you and your startup. . . that's something that will always get attention of investors and it¹s something that'll be remembered.


So this is just a copy paste from the web guys,i have much more materials but i need time to translate them.I think this is enough for a first How to post so if you have any suggestions please do tell.
I am happy that i saw the IGNORE button in the avatar section of a user,i am glad that i have ignored some users who are spreading fud in different forms and ways.So Fabula if you are reading this please stop this because of the other users not for me,i have ignored you so i won't be frustrated by your negativity.
Thank you all

Good points

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Multipool sailing nicely with good amount of miners, 69 Miners / 23 Alive http://supermultipool.com/
I can see most of miners on x13. This is good. Let's keep mining.
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