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July 12, 2014, 04:51:26 AM
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whats up with this coin?
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July 12, 2014, 05:14:38 AM
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whats up with this coin?

Price took a beating, otherwise good coin/dev/community. Cheap on Bittrex right now.
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July 12, 2014, 05:37:26 AM
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whats up with this coin?

Price took a beating, otherwise good coin/dev/community. Cheap on Bittrex right now.
Cheap compared to what?
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whats up with this coin?

Price took a beating, otherwise good coin/dev/community. Cheap on Bittrex right now.
Cheap compared to what?

I see we got a comedian in the house. SO how about you go find me a cheaper
x13 pos coin (50% year 1) with anon/supersend/coin control with a sub 6mil coin cap.

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July 12, 2014, 07:37:16 AM
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Its cheap beacause it cost less than 10% of the top trade level.
And its not abandoned coin.

So if it rise to 2500sat (50% of top) you will get 500% of your investments.
Good offer IMHO.
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July 12, 2014, 07:40:21 AM
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whats up with this coin?
Price took a beating, otherwise good coin/dev/community. Cheap on Bittrex right now.
Cheap compared to what?
I see we got a comedian in the house. SO how about you go find me a cheaper
x13 pos coin (50% year 1) with anon/supersend/coin control with a sub 6mil coin cap.
Are you wanting another supersend coin or just any anon coin?
My intention though was not to be a comedian. I own some Mammoth and have been thinking seriously about buying more. I've been surprised at how fast it collapsed.
Now I'm old enough and ugly enough to understand that this collapse may not be "rational". It may represent a great opportunity.

So lets be clear. I apologise if I came off as flippant. Can we compare it to some similar coins?
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July 12, 2014, 07:41:36 AM
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Its cheap beacause it cost less than 10% of the top trade level.
And its not abandoned coin.
Really ? What is the dev doing?
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July 12, 2014, 08:10:34 AM
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whats up with this coin?
Price took a beating, otherwise good coin/dev/community. Cheap on Bittrex right now.
Cheap compared to what?
I see we got a comedian in the house. SO how about you go find me a cheaper
x13 pos coin (50% year 1) with anon/supersend/coin control with a sub 6mil coin cap.
Are you wanting another supersend coin or just any anon coin?
My intention though was not to be a comedian. I own some Mammoth and have been thinking seriously about buying more. I've been surprised at how fast it collapsed.
Now I'm old enough and ugly enough to understand that this collapse may not be "rational". It may represent a great opportunity.

So lets be clear. I apologise if I came off as flippant. Can we compare it to some similar coins?

Look at it this way. Right now you could set buy orders on Bittrex for about 430 sat. That is very cheap
for a coin with this level of development and specification. I would be buying right now to lower my cost average.
I would also be mining right now because of low difficulty and x13 algo, assuming you are trying to build up the maximum
number of coins to take advantage of 50% year 1 stake reward. Hope this helps.
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July 12, 2014, 09:25:40 AM
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whats up with this coin?
Price took a beating, otherwise good coin/dev/community. Cheap on Bittrex right now.
Cheap compared to what?
I see we got a comedian in the house. SO how about you go find me a cheaper
x13 pos coin (50% year 1) with anon/supersend/coin control with a sub 6mil coin cap.
Are you wanting another supersend coin or just any anon coin?
My intention though was not to be a comedian. I own some Mammoth and have been thinking seriously about buying more. I've been surprised at how fast it collapsed.
Now I'm old enough and ugly enough to understand that this collapse may not be "rational". It may represent a great opportunity.

So lets be clear. I apologise if I came off as flippant. Can we compare it to some similar coins?

Look at it this way. Right now you could set buy orders on Bittrex for about 430 sat. That is very cheap
for a coin with this level of development and specification. ..... Hope this helps.
It does not help, as you don't explain why it means it is cheap. If this coin is to succeed it needs this spelled out, because it needs new investors.
What is it that makes it cheap? What coins are you comparing it to?
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July 12, 2014, 07:32:59 PM
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whats up with this coin?
Price took a beating, otherwise good coin/dev/community. Cheap on Bittrex right now.
Cheap compared to what?
I see we got a comedian in the house. SO how about you go find me a cheaper
x13 pos coin (50% year 1) with anon/supersend/coin control with a sub 6mil coin cap.
Are you wanting another supersend coin or just any anon coin?
My intention though was not to be a comedian. I own some Mammoth and have been thinking seriously about buying more. I've been surprised at how fast it collapsed.
Now I'm old enough and ugly enough to understand that this collapse may not be "rational". It may represent a great opportunity.

So lets be clear. I apologise if I came off as flippant. Can we compare it to some similar coins?

Look at it this way. Right now you could set buy orders on Bittrex for about 430 sat. That is very cheap
for a coin with this level of development and specification. ..... Hope this helps.
It does not help, as you don't explain why it means it is cheap. If this coin is to succeed it needs this spelled out, because it needs new investors.
What is it that makes it cheap? What coins are you comparing it to?

It is obvious from your questions that you have not read much of this thread as you have no sense of this coins developement to date.
I would recommend you start reading from Pg.1 and don't stop. >>  DO THE WORK YOURSELF  <<


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July 12, 2014, 07:58:53 PM
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whats up with this coin?
Price took a beating, otherwise good coin/dev/community. Cheap on Bittrex right now.
Cheap compared to what?
I see we got a comedian in the house. SO how about you go find me a cheaper
x13 pos coin (50% year 1) with anon/supersend/coin control with a sub 6mil coin cap.
Are you wanting another supersend coin or just any anon coin?
My intention though was not to be a comedian. I own some Mammoth and have been thinking seriously about buying more. I've been surprised at how fast it collapsed.
Now I'm old enough and ugly enough to understand that this collapse may not be "rational". It may represent a great opportunity.

So lets be clear. I apologise if I came off as flippant. Can we compare it to some similar coins?

Look at it this way. Right now you could set buy orders on Bittrex for about 430 sat. That is very cheap
for a coin with this level of development and specification. ..... Hope this helps.
It does not help, as you don't explain why it means it is cheap. If this coin is to succeed it needs this spelled out, because it needs new investors.
What is it that makes it cheap? What coins are you comparing it to?

It is obvious from your questions that you have not read much of this thread as you have no sense of this coins developement to date.
I would recommend you start reading from Pg.1 and don't stop. >>  DO THE WORK YOURSELF  <<




the guy is asking a simple question yet you are unable to answer nicely but run around with non sense replies, saying coin is cheap means nothing, there is nothing to compare it to and just cause it's a working coin with some features it doesn't mean anyting

how long was dev missing?

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July 12, 2014, 08:44:31 PM
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whats up with this coin?
Price took a beating, otherwise good coin/dev/community. Cheap on Bittrex right now.
Cheap compared to what?
I see we got a comedian in the house. SO how about you go find me a cheaper
x13 pos coin (50% year 1) with anon/supersend/coin control with a sub 6mil coin cap.
Are you wanting another supersend coin or just any anon coin?
My intention though was not to be a comedian. I own some Mammoth and have been thinking seriously about buying more. I've been surprised at how fast it collapsed.
Now I'm old enough and ugly enough to understand that this collapse may not be "rational". It may represent a great opportunity.

So lets be clear. I apologise if I came off as flippant. Can we compare it to some similar coins?

Look at it this way. Right now you could set buy orders on Bittrex for about 430 sat. That is very cheap
for a coin with this level of development and specification. ..... Hope this helps.
It does not help, as you don't explain why it means it is cheap. If this coin is to succeed it needs this spelled out, because it needs new investors.
What is it that makes it cheap? What coins are you comparing it to?

It is obvious from your questions that you have not read much of this thread as you have no sense of this coins developement to date.
I would recommend you start reading from Pg.1 and don't stop. >>  DO THE WORK YOURSELF  <<




the guy is asking a simple question yet you are unable to answer nicely but run around with non sense replies, saying coin is cheap means nothing, there is nothing to compare it to and just cause it's a working coin with some features it doesn't mean anyting

how long was dev missing?

Actually if you bothered reading my second reply to this individual, you would have noticed I took the time to outline why I believe this coin is cheap &
also, how to lower your cost per coin, if you are interested in maintaining an investment in Mamm (the person mentioned they are already holding Mamm).

"there is nothing to compare it to"  >> One can also visit Bittrex.com and compare Mamm price to other x11/x13 pos/anon coins and then visit their bct
                                                    threads to learn more about the coins developement and community. A good way to determine "value".

"run around with non sense replies" >> Don't be stupid. I tried to help out (reply) when no one else bothered. At the end of the day we all
                                                    have to do our own homework. Waiting around for others to answer all your questions is not the best
                                                    way forward in cryptoland.


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July 12, 2014, 08:51:15 PM
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It is obvious from your questions that you have not read much of this thread as you have no sense of this coins developement to date.
I would recommend you start reading from Pg.1 and don't stop. >>  DO THE WORK YOURSELF  <<
Ok..whatever. I don't think I will be be buying this coin and probably other people wont buy it either if supporters like you can't explain why it is cheap.
Most likely this coin will just die
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July 12, 2014, 09:11:54 PM
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It is obvious from your questions that you have not read much of this thread as you have no sense of this coins developement to date.
I would recommend you start reading from Pg.1 and don't stop. >>  DO THE WORK YOURSELF  <<
Ok..whatever. I don't think I will be be buying this coin and probably other people wont buy it either if supporters like you can't explain why it is cheap.
Most likely this coin will just die

Can you please explain why Mamm is not cheap?
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July 12, 2014, 09:31:46 PM
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It is obvious from your questions that you have not read much of this thread as you have no sense of this coins developement to date.
I would recommend you start reading from Pg.1 and don't stop. >>  DO THE WORK YOURSELF  <<
Ok..whatever. I don't think I will be be buying this coin and probably other people wont buy it either if supporters like you can't explain why it is cheap.
Most likely this coin will just die

this coin will be fine, and if you are wondering why we think it is cheap is because compared to other coins with the same features and similar coin count like say cloakcoin.  the price has taken a dip because the dev doesnt respond as fast as he should for many shakey bag holders.  if you dont want to buy the coin then fine but you dont have to say it is going to die.  currently the focus has been on the website design and promotions via twitter and youtube etc... this dev has delivered consistently and i am sure will continue to do so.  dev has already said this is not a get rich quick scheme.  it has survived two pump and dumps and will continue to grow.
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July 12, 2014, 10:01:05 PM
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It is obvious from your questions that you have not read much of this thread as you have no sense of this coins developement to date.
I would recommend you start reading from Pg.1 and don't stop. >>  DO THE WORK YOURSELF  <<
Ok..whatever. I don't think I will be be buying this coin and probably other people wont buy it either if supporters like you can't explain why it is cheap.
Most likely this coin will just die

This coin is cheap, because it has certain features similar to features other coins have for 100 times or more than the current price. As for now there haven't been any problems and the dev has delivered what he said he would deliver. If the dev keeps delivering, it will become a coin ahead of the curve technology wise and by that time it should also reflect in price.

You can't expect a cointrader to make statements most "real" investors already hace problems with making. Mose of these people don't have the expierence and or do this as a hobby.
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July 12, 2014, 10:17:11 PM
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It is obvious from your questions that you have not read much of this thread as you have no sense of this coins developement to date.
I would recommend you start reading from Pg.1 and don't stop. >>  DO THE WORK YOURSELF  <<
Ok..whatever. I don't think I will be be buying this coin and probably other people wont buy it either if supporters like you can't explain why it is cheap.
Most likely this coin will just die

this coin will be fine, and if you are wondering why we think it is cheap is because compared to other coins with the same features and similar coin count like say cloakcoin.
Isn't cloakcoin different though in that it obscures information via exchanges? That seems quite unique if I understand it correctly.
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 the price has taken a dip because the dev doesnt respond as fast as he should for many shakey bag holders.  if you dont want to buy the coin then fine but you dont have to say it is going to die.
 You are right there. Apologies for that. I don't know what will happen and this could be a good opportunity to buy for all I know

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currently the focus has been on the website design and promotions via twitter and youtube etc... this dev has delivered consistently and i am sure will continue to do so.  dev has already said this is not a get rich quick scheme.  it has survived two pump and dumps and will continue to grow.
Is the anonymous feature a mixer? Something like coinjoin?
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July 12, 2014, 11:57:40 PM
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July 13, 2014, 12:57:20 AM
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Is the anonymous feature a mixer? Something like coinjoin?

MammothCoin license the great SuperSend technology

What is anonymous features?

Anonymous features hide the traces of the transaction. So basically when you want to send from A to B, instead of showing in the blockchain explicitly a transaction showing A-B, it may show A->X, then Y->B, where X, Y are some random addresses (at least from a large address pool). Of course the transaction can be further obfuscated, such as you can split the sending amount to several parts, and apply the above for each part. This way, it is virtually impossible to trace the real transaction. So it protects your privacy.

Some people asked for details of our plan and implementations, here are some information on it. I'll use question/answer format to give details. Please post more questions if you have, the dev team will do our best to answer them.

Q: What is the overall plan for Mammothcoin to support anonymous features?

A: Our ultimate goal is to create a peer-to-peer and completely de-centralized anonymous system. This is shown in the following diagram. Any node can become an intermediate "mixing" node, if some minimum requirements are satisfied. There is no central control parts. Everything is peer-to-peer and de-centralized.[/center]


Remember that this is a trustless system, any node may cheat if it can.

In order to achieve these goals, we divide our work into two steps:
   
Phase-1: To achieve anonymous wallet with a simplified, and easy to implement system.
Phase-2: To implement a fully decentralized peer-to-peer anonymous system.

What is an anonymous system? Simply put, it is a system that people can not trace clearly the transactions from the blockchain, and see where the transaction really originated and where it is terminated. This protects people's privacy.

So why we don't go directly to our end-goal? This is because from our surveys and investigations, it is very complex and difficult to achieve a completely decentralized anonymous system. The key here is the "trust". When you do A->X->B, where X is some sort of the middle "mixer" node, the send or sign or commit of A->X and X->B (or its equivalent, such as a double-signed address, mini-escrow, etc), can not completely happen simultaneously, the one side (sender or Mixer-node) that has the last act can always cheat, though sometimes the cheat does not give the cheater benefits, but it can cause damage to the other party. Therefore, a complete trustless system is more difficult to be implemented (though it is possible - we'll discuss some more below).
 
For this reason, in phase-1 we decided to develop a system that will depend on some sort of the trust, it is much easier to implement, and will give people the anonymous feature. This trust will be done through the dev team, or a credible mining pool.

Q: What is your Phase-1 solution?
A: Our initial anonymous solution will involve some middle trusted mixing pools. This is shown in the following diagram below:


The mixing pools will be hosted initially by dev team, and can also be hosted by credible mining pools. The anon send will be directed to these mixing pools by wallet and mixed and then send to its destination.

Basically it is done like this:
A (source) -> {Xi} (i = 1, ..., m), then {Yi} (i = 1, ..., n)->B (destination)
where {Xi} and {Yi} are randomly chosen addresses from a large pool of addresses (belonging to a mixing pool,
and these addresses are periodically refreshed, phased out, and created).

The source amount from A is split randomly into m parts (for now we choose m = 2,3 or 4 randomly in the anon version we will release for testing, but it will be a configurable parameters later), they are sent to m random addresses in randomly chosen mixing pool. The pool, on confirming the amounts received, will send the same amount in n parts to the destination (for our testnet we choose n=1, again this can be changed and configured).
The result transaction is not traceable (at least extremely difficult to trace, given the large number of addresses in the mixing pool and dynamism of the addresses).

The main part of our phase-1 solution is implemented, and we will release a version for testnet shortly.

Q: Sounds good, is mixing pool software and coin wallet client two different softwares?
A: Absolutely not. They are exactly the same. It is the MAMMOTHcoin wallet. Eventually this will be used for peer-to-peer system (in phase-2), so no reason to be different. Now we configure only a few special nodes as trusted nodes. Once we implement the trustless system in phase-2, no special config is needed.

Q: What is a trust system, and what is a trustless system?
A: A trust system will have at least one node that everyone trusts. This node will never cheat. Other nodes may or may not cheat.
A trustless system is that any nodes will cheat if they can. So to implement a trustless system it is more difficult as you have to implement mechanisms to prevent or discourage a node to cheat. If a node cheats, it will lose much more than it gains.

Q: Can you give some details on the mixing pool?
A: OK, it is basically a wallet client, with a pool feature configured as shown below.


An array of the incoming/outgoing addresses are created and refreshed dynamically, and randomly chosen for each transaction. Incoming and outgoing addresses balance their coins with predefined algorithms.

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Thank you yurimir.
Can anyone tell me when POW finishes?
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