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there is no way to hide btc wealth from goverments. U have to spend them, you have to receve them in fiat trough bank.
And there is no such a thing like anonymous transaction in cryptocurrency market.
no man, you're missing the point of all of this. Bitcoin was invented as an alternative to fiats, the intention isn't to perpetually keep trading BTC for fiat every time you want something. You trade cryptos for goods and its none of the government's business, that's the idea. When they complain that bitcoin isn't anonymous, they're talking about examining the blockchain and determining who owns which wallet from what they spend - it has nothing to do with the conversion to fiats. But you're right, at this point there is nothing anonymous. Phase 2 will be the first. what about XMR? and the other cryptonotes |
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Mammothcoin (OP)
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yes, you need to work to get paid, ANON function is not what we need, i am not selling cocain, to have hidden transactions.
We need stable long coin, and mamm is not that.
Anonymous to hide your wealth from prying/confiscating governments - remember this has been a major force behind bitcoin's growth. But now the general public knows bitcoin isn't anonymous, enter a bunch of coins that are centralized and offer pseudo anonymity.. NO coin currently offers anonymity, none. The "anonymous" coins are centralized meaning someone has access and someone can shut it down.... If these devs come out with true anonymous/decentralized first, it will be worth a fortune - won't matter one bit what the price is today. It also won't matter how much pre release pandering the devs bothered to do. The innovation is everything. Devs don't waste your time here. Write the code before another team beats you to it - that's all that really matters.
When secured you get less hackers targeting your wallets. "Less risk for all." It is much more important for those who want keeping million dollars in their wallet do real businesses.
Also one of basic rights we have "privacy". We are leading developers in this field. When we success you will see more developers developing products looks like ours... |
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July 30, 2014, 07:08:41 AM |
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yes, you need to work to get paid, ANON function is not what we need, i am not selling cocain, to have hidden transactions.
We need stable long coin, and mamm is not that.
Anonymous to hide your wealth from prying/confiscating governments - remember this has been a major force behind bitcoin's growth. But now the general public knows bitcoin isn't anonymous, enter a bunch of coins that are centralized and offer pseudo anonymity.. NO coin currently offers anonymity, none. The "anonymous" coins are centralized meaning someone has access and someone can shut it down.... If these devs come out with true anonymous/decentralized first, it will be worth a fortune - won't matter one bit what the price is today. It also won't matter how much pre release pandering the devs bothered to do. The innovation is everything. Devs don't waste your time here. Write the code before another team beats you to it - that's all that really matters.
When secured you get less hackers targeting your wallets. "Less risk for all." It is much more important for those who want keeping million dollars in their wallet do real businesses.
Also one of basic rights we have "privacy". We are leading developers in this field. When we success you will see more developers developing products looks like ours... not sure how you are leading in the anon field when this coin has nothing different. start bragging about things when you actually do them.. like the donation to animal rights or an organization of some sort? another vague statement with no meat on it... please show progress or show that you are doing anything then occasionally coming on here and saying things about how your tech is so much better and a bunch of empty promises. do you have anything to show for what you have been working on lately? why would you say you will support nature protection oriented projects and global animal rights when you have shown no progress on that front in any way shape or form. you are taking advantage of people that want to invest in something that helps animal right when you are not actually doing that. |
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July 30, 2014, 10:59:58 AM |
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yes, you need to work to get paid, ANON function is not what we need, i am not selling cocain, to have hidden transactions.
We need stable long coin, and mamm is not that.
Anonymous to hide your wealth from prying/confiscating governments - remember this has been a major force behind bitcoin's growth. But now the general public knows bitcoin isn't anonymous, enter a bunch of coins that are centralized and offer pseudo anonymity.. NO coin currently offers anonymity, none. The "anonymous" coins are centralized meaning someone has access and someone can shut it down.... If these devs come out with true anonymous/decentralized first, it will be worth a fortune - won't matter one bit what the price is today. It also won't matter how much pre release pandering the devs bothered to do. The innovation is everything. Devs don't waste your time here. Write the code before another team beats you to it - that's all that really matters.
When secured you get less hackers targeting your wallets. "Less risk for all." It is much more important for those who want keeping million dollars in their wallet do real businesses.
Also one of basic rights we have "privacy". We are leading developers in this field. When we success you will see more developers developing products looks like ours... not sure how you are leading in the anon field when this coin has nothing different. start bragging about things when you actually do them.. like the donation to animal rights or an organization of some sort? another vague statement with no meat on it... please show progress or show that you are doing anything then occasionally coming on here and saying things about how your tech is so much better and a bunch of empty promises. do you have anything to show for what you have been working on lately? why would you say you will support nature protection oriented projects and global animal rights when you have shown no progress on that front in any way shape or form. you are taking advantage of people that want to invest in something that helps animal right when you are not actually doing that. mammoth is no good when its main supporter is having a go at the dev... ive always said the mamm devs are moving very very weird |
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July 30, 2014, 06:54:04 PM |
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yes, you need to work to get paid, ANON function is not what we need, i am not selling cocain, to have hidden transactions.
We need stable long coin, and mamm is not that.
Anonymous to hide your wealth from prying/confiscating governments - remember this has been a major force behind bitcoin's growth. But now the general public knows bitcoin isn't anonymous, enter a bunch of coins that are centralized and offer pseudo anonymity.. NO coin currently offers anonymity, none. The "anonymous" coins are centralized meaning someone has access and someone can shut it down.... If these devs come out with true anonymous/decentralized first, it will be worth a fortune - won't matter one bit what the price is today. It also won't matter how much pre release pandering the devs bothered to do. The innovation is everything. Devs don't waste your time here. Write the code before another team beats you to it - that's all that really matters.
When secured you get less hackers targeting your wallets. "Less risk for all." It is much more important for those who want keeping million dollars in their wallet do real businesses.
Also one of basic rights we have "privacy". We are leading developers in this field. When we success you will see more developers developing products looks like ours... not sure how you are leading in the anon field when this coin has nothing different. start bragging about things when you actually do them.. like the donation to animal rights or an organization of some sort? another vague statement with no meat on it... please show progress or show that you are doing anything then occasionally coming on here and saying things about how your tech is so much better and a bunch of empty promises. do you have anything to show for what you have been working on lately? why would you say you will support nature protection oriented projects and global animal rights when you have shown no progress on that front in any way shape or form. you are taking advantage of people that want to invest in something that helps animal right when you are not actually doing that. mammoth is no good when its main supporter is having a go at the dev... ive always said the mamm devs are moving very very weird i supported this coin whole heartedly until the dev started to ignore me and a few other big investors about some very important aspects of this coin. until these things are addressed i will continue to call him on his shit and make sure others dont fall for his vague statements that have nothing to back it up. |
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yes, you need to work to get paid, ANON function is not what we need, i am not selling cocain, to have hidden transactions.
We need stable long coin, and mamm is not that.
Anonymous to hide your wealth from prying/confiscating governments - remember this has been a major force behind bitcoin's growth. But now the general public knows bitcoin isn't anonymous, enter a bunch of coins that are centralized and offer pseudo anonymity.. NO coin currently offers anonymity, none. The "anonymous" coins are centralized meaning someone has access and someone can shut it down.... If these devs come out with true anonymous/decentralized first, it will be worth a fortune - won't matter one bit what the price is today. It also won't matter how much pre release pandering the devs bothered to do. The innovation is everything. Devs don't waste your time here. Write the code before another team beats you to it - that's all that really matters.
When secured you get less hackers targeting your wallets. "Less risk for all." It is much more important for those who want keeping million dollars in their wallet do real businesses.
Also one of basic rights we have "privacy". We are leading developers in this field. When we success you will see more developers developing products looks like ours... not sure how you are leading in the anon field when this coin has nothing different. start bragging about things when you actually do them.. like the donation to animal rights or an organization of some sort? another vague statement with no meat on it... please show progress or show that you are doing anything then occasionally coming on here and saying things about how your tech is so much better and a bunch of empty promises. do you have anything to show for what you have been working on lately? why would you say you will support nature protection oriented projects and global animal rights when you have shown no progress on that front in any way shape or form. you are taking advantage of people that want to invest in something that helps animal right when you are not actually doing that. mammoth is no good when its main supporter is having a go at the dev... ive always said the mamm devs are moving very very weird i supported this coin whole heartedly until the dev started to ignore me and a few other big investors about some very important aspects of this coin. until these things are addressed i will continue to call him on his shit and make sure others dont fall for his vague statements that have nothing to back it up. So, What now? We need a roadmap, release dates at least, 200 sats is shit. |
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July 30, 2014, 11:03:14 PM |
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Also one of basic rights we have "privacy". We are leading developers in this field. .. [/size]
In what way are you leading developers? And do you mean the MAMM team or the Supercoin team? |
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bigozh
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July 30, 2014, 11:40:42 PM |
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yes, you need to work to get paid, ANON function is not what we need, i am not selling cocain, to have hidden transactions.
We need stable long coin, and mamm is not that.
Anonymous to hide your wealth from prying/confiscating governments - remember this has been a major force behind bitcoin's growth. But now the general public knows bitcoin isn't anonymous, enter a bunch of coins that are centralized and offer pseudo anonymity.. NO coin currently offers anonymity, none. The "anonymous" coins are centralized meaning someone has access and someone can shut it down.... If these devs come out with true anonymous/decentralized first, it will be worth a fortune - won't matter one bit what the price is today. It also won't matter how much pre release pandering the devs bothered to do. The innovation is everything. Devs don't waste your time here. Write the code before another team beats you to it - that's all that really matters.
When secured you get less hackers targeting your wallets. "Less risk for all." It is much more important for those who want keeping million dollars in their wallet do real businesses.
Also one of basic rights we have "privacy". We are leading developers in this field. When we success you will see more developers developing products looks like ours... not sure how you are leading in the anon field when this coin has nothing different. start bragging about things when you actually do them.. like the donation to animal rights or an organization of some sort? another vague statement with no meat on it... please show progress or show that you are doing anything then occasionally coming on here and saying things about how your tech is so much better and a bunch of empty promises. do you have anything to show for what you have been working on lately? why would you say you will support nature protection oriented projects and global animal rights when you have shown no progress on that front in any way shape or form. you are taking advantage of people that want to invest in something that helps animal right when you are not actually doing that. mammoth is no good when its main supporter is having a go at the dev... ive always said the mamm devs are moving very very weird i supported this coin whole heartedly until the dev started to ignore me and a few other big investors about some very important aspects of this coin. until these things are addressed i will continue to call him on his shit and make sure others dont fall for his vague statements that have nothing to back it up. So, What now? We need a roadmap, release dates at least, 200 sats is shit. what now is i am moving on to another coin and maybe buy back in when it hits 1 sat but i dont think it is worth much more until there is any light at the end of the tunnel and the dev puts his money where his mouth is. good luck to all that are sticking in but after seeing how the devs of cloakcoin have been doing things i realize this dude and supercointeam are complete amateurs or are trying to really manipulate the market heavily so they own most of there own coin. i say let them go play with themselves. |
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July 31, 2014, 12:03:52 AM |
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Also one of basic rights we have "privacy". We are leading developers in this field. .. [/size]
In what way are you leading developers? And do you mean the MAMM team or the Supercoin team? He won't answer your questions, as always...I'm out. Good luck to all! |
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July 31, 2014, 11:25:33 AM |
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Some of pseudo anon coins in the history: Bitcoin, Litecoin, Darkcoin, XC, Cloak, etc.....
First decentralized real anon coins in the history: Mammothcoin, Supercoin
See the picture please.
Nobody solved this puzzle of trustless system. Even Satoshi could not solve it.
This is what happening at this moment.
Once we ready with coding we will start huge promos.
What about XC or even the new Keycoin? apparently they are superior to them lool well after phase 2... isnt there a phasee 3 and so on?? lol it will never end... crazy to think mamm was at 3k a few weeks back.. should have treated this as a day trade ..make by btc and gone but i foolishly believed the dev could perform |
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July 31, 2014, 03:51:27 PM |
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July 31, 2014, 04:08:54 PM |
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Ummm, this is a MammothCoin thread. Why are you posting anything about Cloak here? Someone's salty... |
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that article is silly all the code is on github and has been gone through line by line by 7 exchanges. cloak may have had 7 day proof of work period but the devs are actually not anon (they are on the forum but only to hide personal email address but not to hide identity. if you read up about the coin it is actually quite a cool coin. i have made a few btc trading it the past couple of days too there is a few whales over there helping me pump the price. i was going to pump mamm but the dev is obviously a bit in his own world and its not worth it if it has no future. |
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August 01, 2014, 11:18:58 AM |
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Some of pseudo anon coins in the history: Bitcoin, Litecoin, Darkcoin, XC, Cloak, etc.....
First decentralized real anon coins in the history: Mammothcoin, Supercoin
See the picture please.
Nobody solved this puzzle of trustless system. Even Satoshi could not solve it.
This is what happening at this moment.
Once we ready with coding we will start huge promos.
hmmm. . . count me among those with some questions. I am admittedly not a crypto expert, I make videos. Firedoner user earlier said that XMR also has anonymous and decentralized. For some reason I had ruled it out, but can't remember why. I check their site and it says decentralized and trustless anonymous. The mixing happens within each wallet I believe, not at a central or master node. So could someone please explain how phase 2 here is adding something new. I realize the solution is different, but isn't the end result (mixing done in a decentralized trustless way) essentially the same as XMR? |
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August 01, 2014, 11:21:48 AM |
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Some of pseudo anon coins in the history: Bitcoin, Litecoin, Darkcoin, XC, Cloak, etc.....
First decentralized real anon coins in the history: Mammothcoin, Supercoin
See the picture please.
Nobody solved this puzzle of trustless system. Even Satoshi could not solve it.
This is what happening at this moment.
Once we ready with coding we will start huge promos.
hmmm. . . count me among those with some questions. I am admittedly not a crypto expert, I make videos. Firedoner user earlier said that XMR also has anonymous and decentralized. For some reason I had ruled it out, but can't remember why. I check their site and it says decentralized and trustless anonymous. The mixing happens within each wallet I believe, not at a central or master node. So could someone please explain how phase 2 here is adding something new. I realize the solution is different, but isn't the end result (mixing done in a decentralized trustless way) essentially the same as XMR? My rep is more important to me than any coin, which is why I posted my proposed script here. Partly to involve the community, but also so that I don't tread across the line of what is marketing and what is bullshit. If this isn't the first truly trustless decentralized anonymous, I can't say it in the video...Devs help me out here? I want to believe! |
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Mammothcoin (OP)
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August 01, 2014, 11:42:06 AM |
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Some of pseudo anon coins in the history: Bitcoin, Litecoin, Darkcoin, XC, Cloak, etc.....
First decentralized real anon coins in the history: Mammothcoin, Supercoin
See the picture please.
Nobody solved this puzzle of trustless system. Even Satoshi could not solve it.
This is what happening at this moment.
Once we ready with coding we will start huge promos.
What about XC or even the new Keycoin? These are bad versions of SuperSend. These coins are not trust-less system and not decentralized. Phase 2 is totally new thing has never been done before!! |
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August 01, 2014, 11:55:31 AM |
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Some of pseudo anon coins in the history: Bitcoin, Litecoin, Darkcoin, XC, Cloak, etc.....
First decentralized real anon coins in the history: Mammothcoin, Supercoin
See the picture please.
Nobody solved this puzzle of trustless system. Even Satoshi could not solve it.
This is what happening at this moment.
Once we ready with coding we will start huge promos.
What about XC or even the new Keycoin? These are bad versions of SuperSend. These coins are not trust-less system and not decentralized. Phase 2 is totally new thing has never been done before!! OK thanks, but what about Monero? How is it better than what they have? XMR's infographic says that it is both decentralized and anonymous. What advantage will phase 2 here have over xmr? Thanks! |
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August 01, 2014, 12:02:08 PM |
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Some of pseudo anon coins in the history: Bitcoin, Litecoin, Darkcoin, XC, Cloak, etc.....
First decentralized real anon coins in the history: Mammothcoin, Supercoin
See the picture please.
Nobody solved this puzzle of trustless system. Even Satoshi could not solve it.
This is what happening at this moment.
Once we ready with coding we will start huge promos.
What about XC or even the new Keycoin? These are bad versions of SuperSend. These coins are not trust-less system and not decentralized. Phase 2 is totally new thing has never been done before!! Can someone help me out here? Is it that the dev is sitting on a pile of coins hoping that if he keeps repeating this the coin will go up? |
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If the dev was sitting on a big pile of coins & just wanted to be able to sell them at a higher price it would already happened.
It's easy to start up a coin that is basicly the same as all the others, put another name on it, premine it like crazy, let pow end, make some crazy marketing about features that aren't there and dump the coins.
That is wat we call the classic alto-coin scam. (and then those devs just start a new one when finished with the last)
To really put a new alto coin in work it takes time and effort. And this dev takes his time. The problem is that most people are not used to that. They are used to coins who quickly rise in price only to find out they were scammed and lost their money.
Therefore the price at this moment is very low. Not because this is a scam but because it takes to much time.
Also the dev wants to finish his features before really marketing it like crazy.
So what I will do is wait and see what happenes if the dev releases those features.
Alto coins are always a risk, it's the reason why we call them "alto" but until now I have not seen anything that suggest this is a scam.
Dev takes his time but has delivered so far. No hidden premines, no market manipulation, not even rumours that this is a scam.
Will the price go up? If the dev is ready and starts to make lots of marketing, normally it should. But in altocoin land you takes risks.
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bigozh
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August 01, 2014, 07:25:29 PM |
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If the dev was sitting on a big pile of coins & just wanted to be able to sell them at a higher price it would already happened.
It's easy to start up a coin that is basicly the same as all the others, put another name on it, premine it like crazy, let pow end, make some crazy marketing about features that aren't there and dump the coins.
That is wat we call the classic alto-coin scam. (and then those devs just start a new one when finished with the last)
To really put a new alto coin in work it takes time and effort. And this dev takes his time. The problem is that most people are not used to that. They are used to coins who quickly rise in price only to find out they were scammed and lost their money.
Therefore the price at this moment is very low. Not because this is a scam but because it takes to much time.
Also the dev wants to finish his features before really marketing it like crazy.
So what I will do is wait and see what happenes if the dev releases those features.
Alto coins are always a risk, it's the reason why we call them "alto" but until now I have not seen anything that suggest this is a scam.
Dev takes his time but has delivered so far. No hidden premines, no market manipulation, not even rumours that this is a scam.
Will the price go up? If the dev is ready and starts to make lots of marketing, normally it should. But in altocoin land you takes risks.
I agree with ALOT of what you said but the market has been heavily manipulated from the start and one person (or small group/supercpindevs) owns most of the coins. Maybe it's not a scam but it is certainly not innocent. |
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