[ANN] [CLOAK] Cloakcoin | No Premine | X13 | Decentralized Market and PoSA

[mrmanager]

Yes, and they kicked me from IRC cause they didn't like what i was saying. Gives me little hope when few people were all saying same things and get quited in IRC.

You were kicked out of the IRC by CrazyLoaf because you were saying the same thing over and over (still are) and the final straw came when you said the following:


< cryptodaknight>.....let me tell my investment group that holds about 200k cloak collectively, we can all dump on you at once then

Well that is truth and it was cause crazyloaf and others were being very rude, go look and see, then started a fight. I was not saying same thing over and overwith, others also agreed with me, and your distorting the truth there. Many were saying same thing, where is the marketing. This half truth, even crazyloaf said he did not read all that happened before he came in. So he was biased from get go by a few fanboys which will say rararara nomatter what.

This is pointless, we all are on same team trying to get coin value up, but some are doing same thing i've seen in so many coins that just wait attitude, this coin is new, blah blah blah. Most those coins died or are much lower.

Point being dagger, if you would have explained to people, when prices were tanking that marketing is coming, I am willing to be your selloff would not have happened.

As for those saying we don't want a pump and dump, agreed, but it's naive thinking. PnD will happen to any coin that is successful. You won't be able to avoid it, to some degree it will happen. But most PnD of good coins remain higher than before the PnD.

If this coin has more to offer than PnD people will eventually hold and buy more after dust settles and everyone will know about cloak cause it got attention. Anyways, I guess bringing up obvious things to you is where i get attacked, so be it, but many have money on line and like it or not want to know what next moves are with marketing once new PoSA are out, not on 4th of July weekend when people are not paying attention.

Being a passive reader of this thread and having no reference to IRC,(I haven't visited the channel yet), what has become apparent to me is the mounting frustration of the community. This frustration, I believe, is born of the price movement of cloak and not in the general approach taken by the devs. To me, 2 main groups have emerged, those who want to wait and see and those who are pushing for more marketing from the devs. Both camps are feeling the heat of the price and stagnation of trading. First, to both groups, this coin is only 3 weeks old and is roughly double from where it started. I know it's a different story depending on where you may have bought, ie closer to 9 or 7. To everyone, the economics of the coin are great at this price. 5 million coins. It only takes time. Patience is needed. The devs have done a great job of keeping people in the loop as to what is going on with developments. Can't really ask for more. Whether cloaksend gets released on the 4th or some other holiday means little as I believe people will buy into the release, ie, the price should rise as we get closer to implementation. Marketing is something we all can do and not restricted to jusst the devs. For those concerned with getting the word out, we should, as a community, discuss and plan how to market cloak. Remember though, a working product is needed and cloak is not there yet.

+1 I don't understand the point of heavy marketing when the major selling point of the coin hasn't been implemented yet. I also don't think it matters when 2.0 is released.

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[TheDagger]

Yes, and they kicked me from IRC cause they didn't like what i was saying. Gives me little hope when few people were all saying same things and get quited in IRC.

You were kicked out of the IRC by CrazyLoaf because you were saying the same thing over and over (still are) and the final straw came when you said the following:


< cryptodaknight>.....let me tell my investment group that holds about 200k cloak collectively, we can all dump on you at once then

Well that is truth and it was cause crazyloaf and others were being very rude, go look and see, then started a fight. I was not saying same thing over and overwith, others also agreed with me, and your distorting the truth there. Many were saying same thing, where is the marketing. This half truth, even crazyloaf said he did not read all that happened before he came in. So he was biased from get go by a few fanboys which will say rararara nomatter what.

This is pointless, we all are on same team trying to get coin value up, but some are doing same thing i've seen in so many coins that just wait attitude, this coin is new, blah blah blah. Most those coins died or are much lower.

Point being dagger, if you would have explained to people, when prices were tanking that marketing is coming, I am willing to be your selloff would not have happened.

As for those saying we don't want a pump and dump, agreed, but it's naive thinking. PnD will happen to any coin that is successful. You won't be able to avoid it, to some degree it will happen. But most PnD of good coins remain higher than before the PnD.

If this coin has more to offer than PnD people will eventually hold and buy more after dust settles and everyone will know about cloak cause it got attention. Anyways, I guess bringing up obvious things to you is where i get attacked, so be it, but many have money on line and like it or not want to know what next moves are with marketing once new PoSA are out, not on 4th of July weekend when people are not paying attention.

Please stop telling us how to do our jobs when we can see that your logic is flawed.

We have an unfinished product, therefore marketing is not happening at this stage.

Other than dev videos on youtube, twitter posts and this forum no we are not marketing.

Think about the following and realise what you are saying.

CLOAK is barely 3 weeks old: in that time we built an anon system, the first of it's kind... using exchanges then deaddrop wallets and listening servers... it is not using CoinJoin which may be about to be exposed for complete ineffectiveness... our anon system is working right now in CloakSend 1.1 however due to the nature of it... it is centralized and not entirely trustless.

So, that being a concern we are constantly listening to the market and we release a preliminary whitepaper for CloakSend 2.0 featuring a truly p2p decentralized anon system working on an entirely trustless way.

We heard that people wanted TOR in their wallet... So we added it in the last update.

Now to say we need to up our marketing efforts whilst we are EXTREMLY busy with getting this coin into shape, when we are this young and have already done so much is at times quite insulting. Having to write posts like this is also counter productive.

Think about what you are saying and bare in mind the following.

Did darkcoin become successful in 3 weeks?

No, it took about 3 months.

Did Vericoin blow up in 3 weeks?

No, it took about 7 to get going, they were plagued with bugs when they went foll PoS.

Did monero take off in 3 weeks?

No, it took a couple of months at least.

Did Bytecoin take of straight away?

No.

Infact, name a coin that got massive success in 3 weeks.

You seem to claim that a successful coin is made from "marketing".

What happened when Doge pulled the biggest altcoin marketing feat to date: sponsoring a nascar (racecar)... Did that actually help and raise the value of that coin?

Does the fact that Wankcoin (yes that's what it's called) is on Pornhub, mean it instantly has acquired massive value? By your logic it would.

Please demonstrate some effective marketing campaigns, the budget and the result rather than just telling us to drop some dev work and concentrate on marketing.

[cryptodaknight]

Yes, and they kicked me from IRC cause they didn't like what i was saying. Gives me little hope when few people were all saying same things and get quited in IRC.

You were kicked out of the IRC by CrazyLoaf because you were saying the same thing over and over (still are) and the final straw came when you said the following:


< cryptodaknight>.....let me tell my investment group that holds about 200k cloak collectively, we can all dump on you at once then

Well that is truth and it was cause crazyloaf and others were being very rude, go look and see, then started a fight. I was not saying same thing over and overwith, others also agreed with me, and your distorting the truth there. Many were saying same thing, where is the marketing. This half truth, even crazyloaf said he did not read all that happened before he came in. So he was biased from get go by a few fanboys which will say rararara nomatter what.

This is pointless, we all are on same team trying to get coin value up, but some are doing same thing i've seen in so many coins that just wait attitude, this coin is new, blah blah blah. Most those coins died or are much lower.

Point being dagger, if you would have explained to people, when prices were tanking that marketing is coming, I am willing to be your selloff would not have happened.

As for those saying we don't want a pump and dump, agreed, but it's naive thinking. PnD will happen to any coin that is successful. You won't be able to avoid it, to some degree it will happen. But most PnD of good coins remain higher than before the PnD.

If this coin has more to offer than PnD people will eventually hold and buy more after dust settles and everyone will know about cloak cause it got attention. Anyways, I guess bringing up obvious things to you is where i get attacked, so be it, but many have money on line and like it or not want to know what next moves are with marketing once new PoSA are out, not on 4th of July weekend when people are not paying attention.

Being a passive reader of this thread and having no reference to IRC,(I haven't visited the channel yet), what has become apparent to me is the mounting frustration of the community. This frustration, I believe, is born of the price movement of cloak and not in the general approach taken by the devs. To me, 2 main groups have emerged, those who want to wait and see and those who are pushing for more marketing from the devs. Both camps are feeling the heat of the price and stagnation of trading. First, to both groups, this coin is only 3 weeks old and is roughly double from where it started. I know it's a different story depending on where you may have bought, ie closer to 9 or 7. To everyone, the economics of the coin are great at this price. 5 million coins. It only takes time. Patience is needed. The devs have done a great job of keeping people in the loop as to what is going on with developments. Can't really ask for more. Whether cloaksend gets released on the 4th or some other holiday means little as I believe people will buy into the release, ie, the price should rise as we get closer to implementation. Marketing is something we all can do and not restricted to jusst the devs. For those concerned with getting the word out, we should, as a community, discuss and plan how to market cloak. Remember though, a working product is needed and cloak is not there yet.

Well you assessment makes sense. I'm not fighthing this community, i've been active in tweeting about stuff. It is very new, so that is good, but also I think after PoSA comes out working, it's not much to ask for having developers do some proactive stuff. Maybe they have something planned, but to most that put money into this it's hard to watch prices slipping instead of growing which they should.

I think all here invested know this coin could take down darkcoin marketshare, and we all invested cause of this. So I think we should all promote these facts. 6 developers, features they have already made. Fully working anon coin, the part i'm hearing about how darkcoin tech with masternodes is vulnerable and our decentralized one is not. We need to tweet about these and follow each other on twitter and retweet them. If alty starts this, which he has been doing, then we all need to retweet this stuff. I think getting more to the point, what makes this coin separate from the rest of anon coins is where we should be focusing on.

It's new features up and coming. Vericoin is most likey in long bull market but is not directly competing with this coin, Darkcoin, XC, and rest of fully anon coins are, there is about 45 million dollar plus market share that is ours for taking, if we step up getting information out there. I think this is where frustration lies, we all know what i just said above, and it's easy to show this. Once PoSA comes out next week all community here should get involved in tweeting, and retweeting posts about cloakcoin.  

[davisgreen]

Whts the big fuss about marketing.
Get the stuff working first.
And no one is stopping any1 to promote #cloakcoin
Start urself from ground level.
Tweet about it..post in forums. Go to reddit and start some interesting topics.  Build a service around Cloak.
Every1 needs to shoulder the burden not just the devs.

[cryptodaknight]

Yes, and they kicked me from IRC cause they didn't like what i was saying. Gives me little hope when few people were all saying same things and get quited in IRC.

You were kicked out of the IRC by CrazyLoaf because you were saying the same thing over and over (still are) and the final straw came when you said the following:


< cryptodaknight>.....let me tell my investment group that holds about 200k cloak collectively, we can all dump on you at once then

Well that is truth and it was cause crazyloaf and others were being very rude, go look and see, then started a fight. I was not saying same thing over and overwith, others also agreed with me, and your distorting the truth there. Many were saying same thing, where is the marketing. This half truth, even crazyloaf said he did not read all that happened before he came in. So he was biased from get go by a few fanboys which will say rararara nomatter what.

This is pointless, we all are on same team trying to get coin value up, but some are doing same thing i've seen in so many coins that just wait attitude, this coin is new, blah blah blah. Most those coins died or are much lower.

Point being dagger, if you would have explained to people, when prices were tanking that marketing is coming, I am willing to be your selloff would not have happened.

As for those saying we don't want a pump and dump, agreed, but it's naive thinking. PnD will happen to any coin that is successful. You won't be able to avoid it, to some degree it will happen. But most PnD of good coins remain higher than before the PnD.

If this coin has more to offer than PnD people will eventually hold and buy more after dust settles and everyone will know about cloak cause it got attention. Anyways, I guess bringing up obvious things to you is where i get attacked, so be it, but many have money on line and like it or not want to know what next moves are with marketing once new PoSA are out, not on 4th of July weekend when people are not paying attention.

Please stop telling us how to do our jobs when we can see that your logic is flawed.

We have an unfinished product, therefore marketing is not happening at this stage.

Other than dev videos on youtube, twitter posts and this forum no we are not marketing.

Think about the following and realise what you are saying.

CLOAK is barely 3 weeks old: in that time we built an anon system, the first of it's kind... using exchanges then deaddrop wallets and listening servers... it is not using CoinJoin which may be about to be exposed for complete ineffectiveness... our anon system is working right now in CloakSend 1.1 however due to the nature of it... it is centralized and not entirely trustless.

So, that being a concern we are constantly listening to the market and we release a preliminary whitepaper for CloakSend 2.0 featuring a truly p2p decentralized anon system working on an entirely trustless way.

We heard that people wanted TOR in their wallet... So we added it in the last update.

Now to say we need to up our marketing efforts whilst we are EXTREMLY busy with getting this coin into shape, when we are this young and have already done so much is at times quite insulting. Having to write posts like this is also counter productive.

Think about what you are saying and bare in mind the following.

Did darkcoin become successful in 3 weeks?

No, it took about 3 months.

Did Vericoin blow up in 3 weeks?

No, it took about 7 to get going, they were plagued with bugs when they went foll PoS.

Did monero take off in 3 weeks?

No, it took a couple of months at least.

Did Bytecoin take of straight away?

No.

Infact, name a coin that got massive success in 3 weeks.

You seem to claim that a successful coin is made from "marketing".

What happened when Doge pulled the biggest altcoin marketing feat to date: sponsoring a nascar (racecar)... Did that actually help and raise the value of that coin?

Does the fact that Wankcoin (yes that's what it's called) is on Pornhub, mean it instantly has acquired massive value? By your logic it would.

Please demonstrate some effective marketing campaigns, the budget and the result rather than just telling us to drop some dev work and concentrate on marketing.

It's not massive marketing needed, it's just some exposure. I've posted about this before. People don't even know about cloakcoin. Some posting about it's pros would be helpful outside of BTC talk, it's only investors that come here overall. Twitter and other places are good for that.

Darkcoin was first anon (supposed to be) coin and hardly a comparison.

1 day in crypto is like 1 week, 1 week is like 1 month, 1 month is like 3 months. Things move fast. I'm not only one frustrated with prices slipping. Some solid tweets from developer could fix that.

[heartastack]

I am only worried about one thing and that is xc releasing their trustless anon system due 7th July. If cloak can do it first that would be a massive advantage.

[TheDagger]

Some solid tweets from developer could fix that.

That has been happening that from day 1


https://twitter.com/CryptoPioneer

[jdebunt]

Small update :

http://www.cryptoarticles.com/crypto-news/cloakcoin-developer-addresses-network-stability-issues

Positive attitude , I like

[youngmike]

Declining price haven't last even 4 days, it's just a part of the normal market movement. Just look at the price history of DRK or BC and how they developed.

[Vinculin]

Yes, and they kicked me from IRC cause they didn't like what i was saying. Gives me little hope when few people were all saying same things and get quited in IRC.

You were kicked out of the IRC by CrazyLoaf because you were saying the same thing over and over (still are) and the final straw came when you said the following:


< cryptodaknight>.....let me tell my investment group that holds about 200k cloak collectively, we can all dump on you at once then

Well that is truth and it was cause crazyloaf and others were being very rude, go look and see, then started a fight. I was not saying same thing over and overwith, others also agreed with me, and your distorting the truth there. Many were saying same thing, where is the marketing. This half truth, even crazyloaf said he did not read all that happened before he came in. So he was biased from get go by a few fanboys which will say rararara nomatter what.

This is pointless, we all are on same team trying to get coin value up, but some are doing same thing i've seen in so many coins that just wait attitude, this coin is new, blah blah blah. Most those coins died or are much lower.

Point being dagger, if you would have explained to people, when prices were tanking that marketing is coming, I am willing to be your selloff would not have happened.

As for those saying we don't want a pump and dump, agreed, but it's naive thinking. PnD will happen to any coin that is successful. You won't be able to avoid it, to some degree it will happen. But most PnD of good coins remain higher than before the PnD.

If this coin has more to offer than PnD people will eventually hold and buy more after dust settles and everyone will know about cloak cause it got attention. Anyways, I guess bringing up obvious things to you is where i get attacked, so be it, but many have money on line and like it or not want to know what next moves are with marketing once new PoSA are out, not on 4th of July weekend when people are not paying attention.

Being a passive reader of this thread and having no reference to IRC,(I haven't visited the channel yet), what has become apparent to me is the mounting frustration of the community. This frustration, I believe, is born of the price movement of cloak and not in the general approach taken by the devs. To me, 2 main groups have emerged, those who want to wait and see and those who are pushing for more marketing from the devs. Both camps are feeling the heat of the price and stagnation of trading. First, to both groups, this coin is only 3 weeks old and is roughly double from where it started. I know it's a different story depending on where you may have bought, ie closer to 9 or 7. To everyone, the economics of the coin are great at this price. 5 million coins. It only takes time. Patience is needed. The devs have done a great job of keeping people in the loop as to what is going on with developments. Can't really ask for more. Whether cloaksend gets released on the 4th or some other holiday means little as I believe people will buy into the release, ie, the price should rise as we get closer to implementation. Marketing is something we all can do and not restricted to jusst the devs. For those concerned with getting the word out, we should, as a community, discuss and plan how to market cloak. Remember though, a working product is needed and cloak is not there yet.

Nice post, that's similar to what i hv been thinking of too.

I know some people were brought from high and are being frustrated to see cloak's value drops date-to-date.

Apart from being constantly pushing the devs to do active marketing, people can, as suggested by me and other members many times, spread the words to everyone that you know via twitter or mouth... If you want your investment to grow, you should do something instead of forcing the devs to do extra, but not mandatory, works.

I witnessed blackcoin trading at below 1000 satoshi for like a month...(and of course i bagholded a great amount of BC)

I saw the potential of the coin, and i waited. Finally? Blackcoin grew from 600-700 satoshi to ~70000 (at all time high) and now constantly trading at ~20000.

The same case applies to cloak. Cloak devs are absolutely few of the best devs i have seen in the cryptoworld.
 
They deliver their promise on time, try to keep update to the community everyday, and show what they are capable of. Why are you afraid?

At last, i would want to say: Patience is the key.

[darkproton]

Yes, and they kicked me from IRC cause they didn't like what i was saying. Gives me little hope when few people were all saying same things and get quited in IRC.

You were kicked out of the IRC by CrazyLoaf because you were saying the same thing over and over (still are) and the final straw came when you said the following:


< cryptodaknight>.....let me tell my investment group that holds about 200k cloak collectively, we can all dump on you at once then

Well that is truth and it was cause crazyloaf and others were being very rude, go look and see, then started a fight. I was not saying same thing over and overwith, others also agreed with me, and your distorting the truth there. Many were saying same thing, where is the marketing. This half truth, even crazyloaf said he did not read all that happened before he came in. So he was biased from get go by a few fanboys which will say rararara nomatter what.

This is pointless, we all are on same team trying to get coin value up, but some are doing same thing i've seen in so many coins that just wait attitude, this coin is new, blah blah blah. Most those coins died or are much lower.

Point being dagger, if you would have explained to people, when prices were tanking that marketing is coming, I am willing to be your selloff would not have happened.

As for those saying we don't want a pump and dump, agreed, but it's naive thinking. PnD will happen to any coin that is successful. You won't be able to avoid it, to some degree it will happen. But most PnD of good coins remain higher than before the PnD.

If this coin has more to offer than PnD people will eventually hold and buy more after dust settles and everyone will know about cloak cause it got attention. Anyways, I guess bringing up obvious things to you is where i get attacked, so be it, but many have money on line and like it or not want to know what next moves are with marketing once new PoSA are out, not on 4th of July weekend when people are not paying attention.

Please stop telling us how to do our jobs when we can see that your logic is flawed.

We have an unfinished product, therefore marketing is not happening at this stage.

Other than dev videos on youtube, twitter posts and this forum no we are not marketing.

Think about the following and realise what you are saying.

CLOAK is barely 3 weeks old: in that time we built an anon system, the first of it's kind... using exchanges then deaddrop wallets and listening servers... it is not using CoinJoin which may be about to be exposed for complete ineffectiveness... our anon system is working right now in CloakSend 1.1 however due to the nature of it... it is centralized and not entirely trustless.

So, that being a concern we are constantly listening to the market and we release a preliminary whitepaper for CloakSend 2.0 featuring a truly p2p decentralized anon system working on an entirely trustless way.

We heard that people wanted TOR in their wallet... So we added it in the last update.

Now to say we need to up our marketing efforts whilst we are EXTREMLY busy with getting this coin into shape, when we are this young and have already done so much is at times quite insulting. Having to write posts like this is also counter productive.

Think about what you are saying and bare in mind the following.

Did darkcoin become successful in 3 weeks?

No, it took about 3 months.

Did Vericoin blow up in 3 weeks?

No, it took about 7 to get going, they were plagued with bugs when they went foll PoS.

Did monero take off in 3 weeks?

No, it took a couple of months at least.

Did Bytecoin take of straight away?

No.

Infact, name a coin that got massive success in 3 weeks.

You seem to claim that a successful coin is made from "marketing".

What happened when Doge pulled the biggest altcoin marketing feat to date: sponsoring a nascar (racecar)... Did that actually help and raise the value of that coin?

Does the fact that Wankcoin (yes that's what it's called) is on Pornhub, mean it instantly has acquired massive value? By your logic it would.

Please demonstrate some effective marketing campaigns, the budget and the result rather than just telling us to drop some dev work and concentrate on marketing.

It's not massive marketing needed, it's just some exposure. I've posted about this before. People don't even know about cloakcoin. Some posting about it's pros would be helpful outside of BTC talk, it's only investors that come here overall. Twitter and other places are good for that.

Darkcoin was first anon (supposed to be) coin and hardly a comparison.

1 day in crypto is like 1 week, 1 week is like 1 month, 1 month is like 3 months. Things move fast. I'm not only one frustrated with prices slipping. Some solid tweets from developer could fix that.

I don't doubt your intentions in regards to cloak. I disagree that 1 day in crypto is like a month. It appears that way do to pumps and dumps. Overall trends emerge, bubbles correct, bubbles form. The more linear the growth, the better suited for long term sustainability. Cloak has the economics behind it. Cloak has the dedicated devs behind it. My question to you is what kind of marketing you want done. My belief is to let the devs code and work on that, and let the community flourish and market. Devs do not equal marketers. Not to say that the cloak devs don't market nor have a plan. But 'Marketing' will establish itself. I know you have a lot invested. I do as well. I am top 5 on the rich list and that's not with all my addresses combined. I'm not doing any dick wagging but just to illustrate the overall calm I have. I feel good about cloak and the team. Let the price fluctuate. I've been around long enough to hear and grow tired of the overall chorus of marketing and price. People will come to a good product. People will invest in substance. People will support the quality.

[darkproton]

Yes, and they kicked me from IRC cause they didn't like what i was saying. Gives me little hope when few people were all saying same things and get quited in IRC.

You were kicked out of the IRC by CrazyLoaf because you were saying the same thing over and over (still are) and the final straw came when you said the following:


< cryptodaknight>.....let me tell my investment group that holds about 200k cloak collectively, we can all dump on you at once then

Well that is truth and it was cause crazyloaf and others were being very rude, go look and see, then started a fight. I was not saying same thing over and overwith, others also agreed with me, and your distorting the truth there. Many were saying same thing, where is the marketing. This half truth, even crazyloaf said he did not read all that happened before he came in. So he was biased from get go by a few fanboys which will say rararara nomatter what.

This is pointless, we all are on same team trying to get coin value up, but some are doing same thing i've seen in so many coins that just wait attitude, this coin is new, blah blah blah. Most those coins died or are much lower.

Point being dagger, if you would have explained to people, when prices were tanking that marketing is coming, I am willing to be your selloff would not have happened.

As for those saying we don't want a pump and dump, agreed, but it's naive thinking. PnD will happen to any coin that is successful. You won't be able to avoid it, to some degree it will happen. But most PnD of good coins remain higher than before the PnD.

If this coin has more to offer than PnD people will eventually hold and buy more after dust settles and everyone will know about cloak cause it got attention. Anyways, I guess bringing up obvious things to you is where i get attacked, so be it, but many have money on line and like it or not want to know what next moves are with marketing once new PoSA are out, not on 4th of July weekend when people are not paying attention.

Being a passive reader of this thread and having no reference to IRC,(I haven't visited the channel yet), what has become apparent to me is the mounting frustration of the community. This frustration, I believe, is born of the price movement of cloak and not in the general approach taken by the devs. To me, 2 main groups have emerged, those who want to wait and see and those who are pushing for more marketing from the devs. Both camps are feeling the heat of the price and stagnation of trading. First, to both groups, this coin is only 3 weeks old and is roughly double from where it started. I know it's a different story depending on where you may have bought, ie closer to 9 or 7. To everyone, the economics of the coin are great at this price. 5 million coins. It only takes time. Patience is needed. The devs have done a great job of keeping people in the loop as to what is going on with developments. Can't really ask for more. Whether cloaksend gets released on the 4th or some other holiday means little as I believe people will buy into the release, ie, the price should rise as we get closer to implementation. Marketing is something we all can do and not restricted to jusst the devs. For those concerned with getting the word out, we should, as a community, discuss and plan how to market cloak. Remember though, a working product is needed and cloak is not there yet.

Nice post, that's similar to what i hv been thinking of too.

I know some people were brought from high and are being frustrated to see cloak's value drops date-to-date.

Apart from being constantly pushing the devs to do active marketing, people can, as suggested by me and other members many times, spread the words to everyone that you know via twitter or mouth... If you want your investment to grow, you should do something instead of forcing the devs to do extra, but not mandatory, works.

I witnessed blackcoin trading at below 1000 satoshi for like a month...(and of course i bagholded a great amount of BC)

I saw the potential of the coin, and i waited. Finally? Blackcoin grew from 600-700 satoshi to ~70000 (at all time high) and now constantly trading at ~20000.

The same case applies to cloak. Cloak devs are absolutely few of the best devs i have seen in the cryptoworld.
 
They deliver their promise on time, try to keep update to the community everyday, and show what they are capable of. Why are you afraid?

At last, i would want to say: Patience is the key.

+1000000000000000

[kitey]

Yes, and they kicked me from IRC cause they didn't like what i was saying. Gives me little hope when few people were all saying same things and get quited in IRC.

You were kicked out of the IRC by CrazyLoaf because you were saying the same thing over and over (still are) and the final straw came when you said the following:


< cryptodaknight>.....let me tell my investment group that holds about 200k cloak collectively, we can all dump on you at once then

Well that is truth and it was cause crazyloaf and others were being very rude, go look and see, then started a fight. I was not saying same thing over and overwith, others also agreed with me, and your distorting the truth there. Many were saying same thing, where is the marketing. This half truth, even crazyloaf said he did not read all that happened before he came in. So he was biased from get go by a few fanboys which will say rararara nomatter what.

This is pointless, we all are on same team trying to get coin value up, but some are doing same thing i've seen in so many coins that just wait attitude, this coin is new, blah blah blah. Most those coins died or are much lower.

Point being dagger, if you would have explained to people, when prices were tanking that marketing is coming, I am willing to be your selloff would not have happened.

As for those saying we don't want a pump and dump, agreed, but it's naive thinking. PnD will happen to any coin that is successful. You won't be able to avoid it, to some degree it will happen. But most PnD of good coins remain higher than before the PnD.

If this coin has more to offer than PnD people will eventually hold and buy more after dust settles and everyone will know about cloak cause it got attention. Anyways, I guess bringing up obvious things to you is where i get attacked, so be it, but many have money on line and like it or not want to know what next moves are with marketing once new PoSA are out, not on 4th of July weekend when people are not paying attention.

Please stop telling us how to do our jobs when we can see that your logic is flawed.

We have an unfinished product, therefore marketing is not happening at this stage.

Other than dev videos on youtube, twitter posts and this forum no we are not marketing.

Think about the following and realise what you are saying.

CLOAK is barely 3 weeks old: in that time we built an anon system, the first of it's kind... using exchanges then deaddrop wallets and listening servers... it is not using CoinJoin which may be about to be exposed for complete ineffectiveness... our anon system is working right now in CloakSend 1.1 however due to the nature of it... it is centralized and not entirely trustless.

So, that being a concern we are constantly listening to the market and we release a preliminary whitepaper for CloakSend 2.0 featuring a truly p2p decentralized anon system working on an entirely trustless way.

We heard that people wanted TOR in their wallet... So we added it in the last update.

Now to say we need to up our marketing efforts whilst we are EXTREMLY busy with getting this coin into shape, when we are this young and have already done so much is at times quite insulting. Having to write posts like this is also counter productive.

Think about what you are saying and bare in mind the following.

Did darkcoin become successful in 3 weeks?

No, it took about 3 months.

Did Vericoin blow up in 3 weeks?

No, it took about 7 to get going, they were plagued with bugs when they went foll PoS.

Did monero take off in 3 weeks?

No, it took a couple of months at least.

Did Bytecoin take of straight away?

No.

Infact, name a coin that got massive success in 3 weeks.

You seem to claim that a successful coin is made from "marketing".

What happened when Doge pulled the biggest altcoin marketing feat to date: sponsoring a nascar (racecar)... Did that actually help and raise the value of that coin?

Does the fact that Wankcoin (yes that's what it's called) is on Pornhub, mean it instantly has acquired massive value? By your logic it would.

Please demonstrate some effective marketing campaigns, the budget and the result rather than just telling us to drop some dev work and concentrate on marketing.

It's not massive marketing needed, it's just some exposure. I've posted about this before. People don't even know about cloakcoin. Some posting about it's pros would be helpful outside of BTC talk, it's only investors that come here overall. Twitter and other places are good for that.

Darkcoin was first anon (supposed to be) coin and hardly a comparison.

1 day in crypto is like 1 week, 1 week is like 1 month, 1 month is like 3 months. Things move fast. I'm not only one frustrated with prices slipping. Some solid tweets from developer could fix that.

I don't doubt your intentions in regards to cloak. I disagree that 1 day in crypto is like a month. It appears that way do to pumps and dumps. Overall trends emerge, bubbles correct, bubbles form. The more linear the growth, the better suited for long term sustainability. Cloak has the economics behind it. Cloak has the dedicated devs behind it. My question to you is what kind of marketing you want done. My belief is to let the devs code and work on that, and let the community flourish and market. Devs do not equal marketers. Not to say that the cloak devs don't market nor have a plan. But 'Marketing' will establish itself. I know you have a lot invested. I do as well. I am top 5 on the rich list and that's not with all my addresses combined. I'm not doing any dick wagging but just to illustrate the overall calm I have. I feel good about cloak and the team. Let the price fluctuate. I've been around long enough to hear and grow tired of the overall chorus of marketing and price. People will come to a good product. People will invest in substance. People will support the quality.

Nailed it

[Spratan]

There is no arguable doubt, Cloakcoin will necessirily rise.

I thought Cloakcoin was a joke in early days (Anonimity via exchanges) and the vast majority of investors haven't come back and have remained with this firstimpression. As soon as I discovered the last news and recent developpements I bought a bunch, what will do every investor coming back "just to have a look"

I am expecting at least 5 times in a few days.

[davisgreen]

OK

Here is my ground level marketing.

https://twitter.com/TradingCrypto/status/482926968535789568

If it gets out of hand- i might need some Cloak reinforcements. I made a CloakCoin Marketing address especially for this

C7xjvoaj8Uzxeka6xJBZSWpCC42AN2VPg7

Please pool in a few cloaks- if it goes viral )

Cheers

Update- 14 #cloakcoin sent already

[drizzle2405]

-cryptodaknight- Overnight millionaire fever?  Yep sounds like it to me...

Dagger is on the money...

[cryptodaknight]

-cryptodaknight- Overnight millionaire fever?  Yep sounds like it to me...

Dagger is on the money...

Not true at all, but yes i want to see some activity as vericoin is doing. We have just as good stuff if not better but vericoin knows how to let it be known better.

My intentions have been good since i got in, and i was in 18k, so i'm not at a lose at all, but what I do not like seeing is people leaving and selling, which is happening if you look at prices, we had a stable floor at 50k, now it's 40k. If we can keep our floor til more things are coming out, that's fine, but investors tend not to come back once prices sink too low.

If we want the darkcoin market cap, it's not hard to take it. We have to want it though. BTW, i've been tweeting a lot about cloakcoin.

At this point getting the anon tech out would be best, but after that I think added to list of developments would be nice for a podcast or interview even if on paper writeup. Direction of coin, ect. Lots of easy low cost to free stuff. Like twitter, it's free.

All I'm saying is look at vericoin and how they approach there investors, this would be good to take note. They releasing stuff like us, maybe not even as good IMO, but they get the market to respond those releases.

Here's something to tweet, "Did you know cloakcoin has 4 full time and 2 part time developers". Here's another "Did you know cloakcoin is first anon tech, and is about to be first fully decentralized anon coin, no masternode"  Just saying, this is stuff that is not known to 99% of community or prices would be much higher.

[djslick]

yeah, you know who else was kicking up there feet in a storm about "no marketing"? wizkid with blackcoin. and he was a slave to the PnD groups. same kind of BS that people like Iconic Expert bring to the table.

1) Devs are furiously working in the kitchen cooking up a platform which will make us all money. We profit off of their work.

2) Whiny children are sitting at a 4 star restaurant complaining that their free meal isn't good enough, TAKE IT BACK GARCON!

3) While complaining, these children do absolutely nothing to help, and in fact only pollute the atmosphere by turning the discussion into FEAR, UNCERTAINTY, and DOUBT. Then they proceed to complain more.

4) Devs in a highly unorthodox move, leave the kitchen (and thereby delaying their work even further) to come and explain directly to YOU, the very simple reason that they are only HUMAN and are incredibly over-extended at the moment, not to mention have a looming deadline. You complain more. They point out that they've come further, faster, than pretty much any other coin in HISTORY. you scoff.

but don't worry, there's a happy ending to the tale.

5) you realise the error of your ways, go out back to the alley behind the restaurant, and fucking kill yourself

FIN

[CryptoAllDay]

Devs have always delivered on their promises, and keep the community informed and up to date on what's going on.  There's no reason to compare ourselves to what other coins are doing, when cloak has its own identity and path.  The devs know they have a good product, and are focusing on getting features implemented instead of worrying about how many satoshis it's trading at.  Be patient, things will fall into place.

[Spratan]

Cloak is the logical next Pump on bittrex.