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July 28, 2014, 09:15:48 PM |
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Important updateFollowing the overwhelming majority of buyers voting positively to start an early trading, we have contacted Bter to provide us with the final data snapshot. We are now updating the ledger with the final data, and will publish it soon. Once done, we will provide Bter with the final list of ID's, in order to perform the distribution and any remaining refunds. Pre-Trade Announcement & Ticker chosen! As an investor, i dont know if this is good or bad ![Undecided](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/undecided.gif) It would be better since it will be way up the IPO price before the coin is launched.
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Eadeqa
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July 28, 2014, 09:18:05 PM |
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It sounds like the people that are upset were on the waiting list and not current investors... I thought u were heavy into ETH
I am into Nxt, though I think ETH investors will make money, regardless of nonsense that is posted about ETH Also I think crypti broke it's IPO rules. Everyone in the waiting list would have made it as there were refunds every day and we had 2 more weeks to go.
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davidzhl
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July 28, 2014, 09:21:23 PM |
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I can invest the coins,how ?
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poornamelessme
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July 28, 2014, 09:31:55 PM |
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It would be better since it will be way up the IPO price before the coin is launched.
We can't assume that. Yes, the price should definitely be more than IPO prices. Unless people then dump afterwards... if it's too high, it'll fall back down to earth. The pre-sale could just as easily be the first example of a pump/dump before a coin is even released. I wonder if the devs would consider a compromise. Forget the presale stuff, just release the coin properly one week early, which would put it on the market 6 days from now. At least it'd be a normal release then.
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Litoshi
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July 28, 2014, 09:40:10 PM |
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Important updateFollowing the overwhelming majority of buyers voting positively to start an early trading, we have contacted Bter to provide us with the final data snapshot. We are now updating the ledger with the final data, and will publish it soon. Once done, we will provide Bter with the final list of ID's, in order to perform the distribution and any remaining refunds. Moreover, the official ticker XCR was chosen by the community, and reserved on Bter! Please read more at the latest blogpost: Pre-Trade Announcement & Ticker chosen! This was a breach of contract, as people who were waiting to get on the list due to ongoing refunds now have no chance. Well, since no one is asking for a refund, they have no choice anyway. At least with the shares being tradeable they can still buy in before the launch of the coin. Besides, there is no contract with the investors who invested AFTER the cap was reached. No contract, no breach.
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michaelb87
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July 28, 2014, 09:44:52 PM |
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Good news that the presale is starting. People who were too late to invest can buy know at market price. They schould stop complaining
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TwinWinNerD
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July 28, 2014, 10:01:21 PM |
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Looking forward to the trading. Hoping, this will turn out to be a good investment ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Hueristic
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July 28, 2014, 10:03:34 PM |
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Important updateFollowing the overwhelming majority of buyers voting positively to start an early trading, we have contacted Bter to provide us with the final data snapshot. We are now updating the ledger with the final data, and will publish it soon. Once done, we will provide Bter with the final list of ID's, in order to perform the distribution and any remaining refunds. Moreover, the official ticker XCR was chosen by the community, and reserved on Bter! Please read more at the latest blogpost: Pre-Trade Announcement & Ticker chosen! This was a breach of contract, as people who were waiting to get on the list due to ongoing refunds now have no chance. Well, since no one is asking for a refund, they have no choice anyway. At least with the shares being tradeable they can still buy in before the launch of the coin. Besides, there is no contract with the investors who invested AFTER the cap was reached. No contract, no breach. Good news that the presale is starting. People who were too late to invest can buy know at market price. They schould stop complaining
You guys miss the point, If you can't trust a team to keep their before release word how can you trust them not to scam you after release?
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July 28, 2014, 10:32:38 PM |
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Important updateFollowing the overwhelming majority of buyers voting positively to start an early trading, we have contacted Bter to provide us with the final data snapshot. We are now updating the ledger with the final data, and will publish it soon. Once done, we will provide Bter with the final list of ID's, in order to perform the distribution and any remaining refunds. Moreover, the official ticker XCR was chosen by the community, and reserved on Bter! Please read more at the latest blogpost: Pre-Trade Announcement & Ticker chosen! This was a breach of contract, as people who were waiting to get on the list due to ongoing refunds now have no chance. Well, since no one is asking for a refund, they have no choice anyway. At least with the shares being tradeable they can still buy in before the launch of the coin. Besides, there is no contract with the investors who invested AFTER the cap was reached. No contract, no breach. Check your facts before posting. Check Bter there has been refunds.... The fact they over sold something that should have been finite is the problem, now they go back on their word to wait till release and let people in if there were refunds.
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SyRenity
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July 28, 2014, 10:45:46 PM |
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The fact they over sold something that should have been finite is the problem, now they go back on their word to wait till release and let people in if there were refunds.
Just for a general information, due to small amount of refunds, there are still over 780 BTC currently gathered on both Bter and Maxmint (and some of these will need to be refunded). This also means that even if we had not agree to the early trading (against the wishes of the majority), it still would not be certain that these waiting for refunds could have made it in.
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Litoshi
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July 28, 2014, 10:52:32 PM |
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Important updateFollowing the overwhelming majority of buyers voting positively to start an early trading, we have contacted Bter to provide us with the final data snapshot. We are now updating the ledger with the final data, and will publish it soon. Once done, we will provide Bter with the final list of ID's, in order to perform the distribution and any remaining refunds. Moreover, the official ticker XCR was chosen by the community, and reserved on Bter! Please read more at the latest blogpost: Pre-Trade Announcement & Ticker chosen! This was a breach of contract, as people who were waiting to get on the list due to ongoing refunds now have no chance. Well, since no one is asking for a refund, they have no choice anyway. At least with the shares being tradeable they can still buy in before the launch of the coin. Besides, there is no contract with the investors who invested AFTER the cap was reached. No contract, no breach. Good news that the presale is starting. People who were too late to invest can buy know at market price. They schould stop complaining
You guys miss the point, If you can't trust a team to keep their before release word how can you trust them not to scam you after release? Humor me then: What would be gained by waiting until Aug 10 to open the XCR market?
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poornamelessme
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July 28, 2014, 10:53:53 PM |
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The fact they over sold something that should have been finite is the problem, now they go back on their word to wait till release and let people in if there were refunds.
Just for a general information, due to small amount of refunds, there are still over 780 BTC currently gathered on both Bter and Maxmint (and some of these will need to be refunded). This also means that even if we had not agree to the early trading (against the wishes of the majority), it still would not be certain that these waiting for refunds could have made it in. Who is this majority? I see that term thrown about, but to be a majority, wouldn't the majority of coin owners need to vote? The poll didn't even require people to own any crypti to vote. So those who missed the IPO who still wanted coins, would obviously vote for an early sale. And yep, it's not a certainty that those waiting would have received coins. But the early sale turns uncertainty into no possibility. By the way, that dev blog has a typo -- with the majority voting positevly.
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Litoshi
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July 28, 2014, 10:54:24 PM |
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A suggestion: Have the trading posted to ALTCOINCALENDER.
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SyRenity
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July 28, 2014, 10:54:30 PM |
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You guys miss the point, If you can't trust a team to keep their before release word how can you trust them not to scam you after release?
Please indicate any major decision that was taken without thoroughly consulting with the community first.
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SyRenity
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July 28, 2014, 11:18:43 PM Last edit: July 28, 2014, 11:30:13 PM by SyRenity |
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ALSO, how do you know those 62 votes are actual investors? Anyone can vote in that poll, even sockpuppets. Either you devs have not thought this through or you had your mind decided before the poll.
Who is this majority? I see that term thrown about, but to be a majority, wouldn't the majority of coin owners need to vote?
The poll didn't even require people to own any crypti to vote. So those who missed the IPO who still wanted coins, would obviously vote for an early sale.
And yep, it's not a certainty that those waiting would have received coins. But the early sale turns uncertainty into no possibility. By the way, that dev blog has a typo -- with the majority voting positevly.
While it was certainly our concern, there was no better alternative as there is no currently way to prove that one holds Crypti (we will consider doing a voting app on top of the custom block-chain for such cases). Therefore, we also used the thread posts to evaluate the community feedback, and while the opinions ranged, there consensus was towards the positive. Do note, that the link to the poll was (and still is) posted in CRSALE on Bter, giving everyone an opportunity to vote. Thanks for the typo - fixed.
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Hueristic
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July 28, 2014, 11:29:42 PM |
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Important updateFollowing the overwhelming majority of buyers voting positively to start an early trading, we have contacted Bter to provide us with the final data snapshot. We are now updating the ledger with the final data, and will publish it soon. Once done, we will provide Bter with the final list of ID's, in order to perform the distribution and any remaining refunds. Moreover, the official ticker XCR was chosen by the community, and reserved on Bter! Please read more at the latest blogpost: Pre-Trade Announcement & Ticker chosen! This was a breach of contract, as people who were waiting to get on the list due to ongoing refunds now have no chance. Well, since no one is asking for a refund, they have no choice anyway. At least with the shares being tradeable they can still buy in before the launch of the coin. Besides, there is no contract with the investors who invested AFTER the cap was reached. No contract, no breach. Good news that the presale is starting. People who were too late to invest can buy know at market price. They schould stop complaining
You guys miss the point, If you can't trust a team to keep their before release word how can you trust them not to scam you after release? Humor me then: What would be gained by waiting until Aug 10 to open the XCR market? I guess you just weren't raised to keep your word. How can I explain to you how important that is especially in a investor environment. If you don;t get it then I'm sorry for you.
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Hueristic
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July 28, 2014, 11:32:14 PM |
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The fact they over sold something that should have been finite is the problem, now they go back on their word to wait till release and let people in if there were refunds.
Just for a general information, due to small amount of refunds, there are still over 780 BTC currently gathered on both Bter and Maxmint (and some of these will need to be refunded). This also means that even if we had not agree to the early trading ( against the wishes of the majority), it still would not be certain that these waiting for refunds could have made it in. What kind of drugs are you doing and can I have some? Please explain to me how 62 votes that could all be sockpuppets without 1 share is equal to "the wishes of the majority".
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Hueristic
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July 28, 2014, 11:34:09 PM |
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You guys miss the point, If you can't trust a team to keep their before release word how can you trust them not to scam you after release?
Please indicate any major decision that was taken without thoroughly consulting with the community first. This on How can you with a straight face actually say 62 random votes is a majority? ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) ?? If your going to piss on us don't tell us it's raining.
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July 28, 2014, 11:38:31 PM |
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You guys miss the point, If you can't trust a team to keep their before release word how can you trust them not to scam you after release?
Please indicate any major decision that was taken without thoroughly consulting with the community first. This on How can you with a straight face actually say 62 random votes is a majority? ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) ?? If your going to piss on us don't tell us it's raining. 62 votes against 31 votes.....62 votes in this context would mean a majority. welcome to math
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