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[leea-1334]

You should just be careful using this site as they disclose your information to third parties apparently, and at any point there is a risk that your funds may be seized for an "allegation" that you won't be told any details about. As a result you should be careful about what information and data you are giving the company if that is of any importance to you and I would question putting any major funds into the site. If you are just making small time predictions you should be fine.

Feel free to look at my other posts for details.

I wish that you continued updating the thread in the scam accusation section , you just created it and abandoned
went to SBR and checked the updates , I really don't know what to say cause this is really bad

the story still completely vague tho and looking at the current info Fairlay guys are totally the ones to blame
I'm sure they will pay you at some point but it looks like they will take ages

keep updating the thread , DTs should realize that your scam accusation is no joke

Agree,,, keep your accusations in one thread. Update it as often as you can (but not to spam) and keep all your evidence posted so that the public can view for themselves and determine if this is really the case that happened or not.

Fairlay seems to respond that they can freeze the account if they broke terms I agree any casino has the right to do this. But they should communicate everything clearly and block the account, and refund the deposits that is all.

[degen1]

Yes we reserve the right to freeze accounts  and establish the identity if we supsect a user of having committed a crime or any other foribdden activity outlined in our Terms.  
Most likely you belong to the 99.9% of users who are not affected by this.

Yes you are right, I did not commit a crime nor violated anything in your terms, and if you think that I did you guys should have told me what and presented me evidence.

I will revive the scam accusation post as per suggestions here, I had a more lively post in the gambling section which is why I did not continue with the scam post.

[linan2332]

You should just be careful using this site as they disclose your information to third parties apparently, and at any point there is a risk that your funds may be seized for an "allegation" that you won't be told any details about. As a result you should be careful about what information and data you are giving the company if that is of any importance to you and I would question putting any major funds into the site. If you are just making small time predictions you should be fine.

Feel free to look at my other posts for details.

Yes Degen1, I have read the thread you involve in(both on SBR and bitcointalk). I definitely don't agree with some of the actions carry out by fairlay. Hopefully at the end all the info will be publicly released by all parties.

[FairlaySupport]

Yes we reserve the right to freeze accounts  and establish the identity if we supsect a user of having committed a crime or any other foribdden activity outlined in our Terms.  
Most likely you belong to the 99.9% of users who are not affected by this.

Yes you are right, I did not commit a crime nor violated anything in your terms, and if you think that I did you guys should have told me what and presented me evidence.

I will revive the scam accusation post as per suggestions here, I had a more lively post in the gambling section which is why I did not continue with the scam post.

For the record: To get access to the information you request please contact a local law enforcement officer. We will share all information we have with them  and you will be able to put forward your claim without any further delay.

[DT3]

I've been using fairlay for a couple of years now and have had no issues getting paid or them correcting mistakes on their end. I think i can say in most cases they have acted in good faith to resolve problems that come up.

Having said that this situation with dgen is very concerning and fairlay needs to come out with some reasonable explanation of why and how they decide to confiscate a players funds. Fairlays response that we can seize players funds at any time we want is really troubling and I'm shocked players are ok with it. Further dgen is suggesting they are sharing players information with 3rd parties without telling him why his funds are being confiscated, this is really terrible if true.

I myself will be minimizing my volume there until they come  out with a statement explaining why they are doing what their doing.

[degen1]

Yes we reserve the right to freeze accounts  and establish the identity if we supsect a user of having committed a crime or any other foribdden activity outlined in our Terms.  
Most likely you belong to the 99.9% of users who are not affected by this.

Yes you are right, I did not commit a crime nor violated anything in your terms, and if you think that I did you guys should have told me what and presented me evidence.

I will revive the scam accusation post as per suggestions here, I had a more lively post in the gambling section which is why I did not continue with the scam post.

For the record: To get access to the information you request please contact a local law enforcement officer. We will share all information we have with them  and you will be able to put forward your claim without any further delay.

This is a cop out response and you guys know it. You have been flexing and figuring out ways to make it impossible for me to get my money back. I consulted a local law enforcement officer and they said that they had no ability to do what you guys are asking and doubted that any other enforcement officer would be able to fulfill your request. This was unsurprising and logically and legally makes sense - and you guys know that it's not possible.

You have supplied no reasoning, and it's obvious to me that no legal claim is tying you or forcing you to hold my money b/c you've been disclosing my information when it should be sealed by your own terms and conditions but also by a legal claim if it existed.

[FairlaySupport]

Yes we reserve the right to freeze accounts  and establish the identity if we supsect a user of having committed a crime or any other foribdden activity outlined in our Terms.  
Most likely you belong to the 99.9% of users who are not affected by this.

Yes you are right, I did not commit a crime nor violated anything in your terms, and if you think that I did you guys should have told me what and presented me evidence.

I will revive the scam accusation post as per suggestions here, I had a more lively post in the gambling section which is why I did not continue with the scam post.

For the record: To get access to the information you request please contact a local law enforcement officer. We will share all information we have with them  and you will be able to put forward your claim without any further delay.

This is a cop out response and you guys know it. You have been flexing and figuring out ways to make it impossible for me to get my money back. I consulted a local law enforcement officer and they said that they had no ability to do what you guys are asking and doubted that any other enforcement officer would be able to fulfill your request. This was unsurprising and logically and legally makes sense - and you guys know that it's not possible.

You have supplied no reasoning, and it's obvious to me that no legal claim is tying you or forcing you to hold my money b/c you've been disclosing my information when it should be sealed by your own terms and conditions but also by a legal claim if it existed.

Please let us know which law enforcement officer you contacted. We will be in touch with them.

[degen1]

Yes we reserve the right to freeze accounts  and establish the identity if we supsect a user of having committed a crime or any other foribdden activity outlined in our Terms.  
Most likely you belong to the 99.9% of users who are not affected by this.

Yes you are right, I did not commit a crime nor violated anything in your terms, and if you think that I did you guys should have told me what and presented me evidence.

I will revive the scam accusation post as per suggestions here, I had a more lively post in the gambling section which is why I did not continue with the scam post.

For the record: To get access to the information you request please contact a local law enforcement officer. We will share all information we have with them  and you will be able to put forward your claim without any further delay.

This is a cop out response and you guys know it. You have been flexing and figuring out ways to make it impossible for me to get my money back. I consulted a local law enforcement officer and they said that they had no ability to do what you guys are asking and doubted that any other enforcement officer would be able to fulfill your request. This was unsurprising and logically and legally makes sense - and you guys know that it's not possible.

You have supplied no reasoning, and it's obvious to me that no legal claim is tying you or forcing you to hold my money b/c you've been disclosing my information when it should be sealed by your own terms and conditions but also by a legal claim if it existed.

Please let us know which law enforcement officer you contacted. We will be in touch with them.

It's like you intentionally ignore what I am saying, if this is a legal situation why hasn't any law enforcement officer contacted ME? I asked if there were any court orders or warrants and there is nothing.

[SyGambler]

For the record: To get access to the information you request please contact a local law enforcement officer. We will share all information we have with them  and you will be able to put forward your claim without any further delay.

as I understood you told some guys on SBR about what's going on , I don't have a single idea why SBR has the right to know what's going when degen doesn't know ( unless Degen knows and not telling us  )

not sure if this will be ok or not , but can you at least share some basic info with one of the DTs here ? I honestly don't like the situation even though I never faced a single problem with Fairlay

in the previous case you just reported that one of your users was using the site to wash btc , so not sure why this time there is no info at all

[degen1]

For the record: To get access to the information you request please contact a local law enforcement officer. We will share all information we have with them  and you will be able to put forward your claim without any further delay.

as I understood you told some guys on SBR about what's going on , I don't have a single idea why SBR has the right to know what's going when degen doesn't know ( unless Degen knows and not telling us  )

not sure if this will be ok or not , but can you at least share some basic info with one of the DTs here ? I honestly don't like the situation even though I never faced a single problem with Fairlay

in the previous case you just reported that one of your users was using the site to wash btc , so not sure why this time there is no info at all

Can confirm I know nothing, also Fairlay would have flexed those muscles by now if they had told me - they would have claimed so. SBR also is aware that I do not know

[FairlaySupport]

We'd like to publish the following update on the degen1 case for anyone interested:

 Decision has be made to return the roughly 100K USD deposit  of degen1 to the address it was sent from. Degen1 could not rebut our presumption that the funds are of questionable origin.  We therefore decided to reject his deposit and close his account permanently. Degen1 is not allowed to use our site again. The address his deposit is returned to belongs to an exchange.

 All involved parties have been notified that the transaction will be released to the Bitcoin network on September 20th giving everyone time to make necessary preparations.

[Haunebu]

Have been using your exchange for quite sometime recently and I liked the speed at which your customer care clears my doubts. I have primarily been betting on the soccer markets and I had no issue getting orders matched.

Can you specify if Cricket markets will get added in the future? That would be an excellent addition in my opinion.

[exbet.io]

Have been using your exchange for quite sometime recently and I liked the speed at which your customer care clears my doubts. I have primarily been betting on the soccer markets and I had no issue getting orders matched.

Can you specify if Cricket markets will get added in the future? That would be an excellent addition in my opinion.

Yes, we second that. Dealing with these issues is not easy, even for honest operators like FairLay, as we posted elsewhere.

Cricket is a really interesting exchange sport. A question - apart from basic Match Odds markets, what markets would be top of your list to see supported?

[Haunebu]

Cricket is a really interesting exchange sport. A question - apart from basic Match Odds markets, what markets would be top of your list to see supported?

Apart from the match odds, I would prefer these specific markets:

- Draw no bet(For tests)
- Total runs in a specific over
- Total runs by team and specific batsman
- Wicket in a specific over etc

Basically, I would love to see more Cricket props markets which I regularly bet on.

[exbet.io]

Cricket is a really interesting exchange sport. A question - apart from basic Match Odds markets, what markets would be top of your list to see supported?

Apart from the match odds, I would prefer these specific markets:

- Draw no bet(For tests)
- Total runs in a specific over
- Total runs by team and specific batsman
- Wicket in a specific over etc

Basically, I would love to see more Cricket props markets which I regularly bet on.

Interesting. Do you think there would be enough liquidity for cricket props? That's the main issue to consider when on-boarding new sports / leagues / markets to an exchnage - "will there be enough interest and liquidity in the new offering?"

[degen1]

We'd like to publish the following update on the degen1 case for anyone interested:

 Decision has be made to return the roughly 100K USD deposit  of degen1 to the address it was sent from. Degen1 could not rebut our presumption that the funds are of questionable origin.  We therefore decided to reject his deposit and close his account permanently. Degen1 is not allowed to use our site again. The address his deposit is returned to belongs to an exchange.

 All involved parties have been notified that the transaction will be released to the Bitcoin network on September 20th giving everyone time to make necessary preparations.

I want to write a final bit to point out what eventually most people who care should see, and I don’t want Fairlay to be fully excused for handling this terribly from the beginning:

#1) I asked them to return my funds to any address that it had been deposited from, I asked that and it had been suggested by everyone here and SBR for the last 6 weeks, to do this now while pretending they did nothing wrong is absurd

#2) they still never provided any information in terms of what I was accused of or who the third party was. They seem to continue to leak information without giving me any further insight, compromising security of my transactions to an unknown third party

#3) given that they still have not provided me any additional information, their comment that I was “unable to rebut” their assumption is false bc they never even gave me an opportunity. I was also never presented with any evidence

#4) there’s still no evidence that a law enforcement agency was involved, especially given the fact that all my information was handed out to a troll box, to SBR and to a third party

#5) it’s hypocritical that Fairlay has asked me in their emails to not disclose anything in public when they are not even guaranteeing a safe return of my funds to me, and that they are providing false information to the public to clear their name and save face (primarily that I wasn’t able to rebut anything. They asked for a phone number to reach me and when I gave that they did not call me, nor provide any further detail).

#6) didn’t they claim that I have no access to an exchange, and if my funds are of questionable origin, how do they know that they are returning to an exchange? And if it’s an exchange how is it a questionable origin?

#7) for them to give further information and further complicating me securing funds to other parties that may not be true is not their place

#8) I was just asked a few days ago about my identity and other personal details, so how could they even have been so sure that this third party had the right person..

Whether you believe me or not, the above is based on facts and logic. Even SBR has confirmed a lot of what I have complained about, including the fact that no information was given to me.

In my opinion this is no real solution for me as the customer, and it’s also not absolved them of their wrongdoings themselves, including potentially disclosing details on a supposed law enforcement investigation

[exbet.io]

Why did not you play with consumer protection service inclusive?

Would make things much easier for you.

Sorry for my ignorance, but what is "consumer protection service"? Was this a real option for OP?

[game-protect]

Why did not you play with consumer protection service inclusive?

Would make things much easier for you.

Sorry for my ignorance, but what is "consumer protection service"?

Enforcement of valid claims using all available legal options.

Was this a real option for OP?

Game Protect offers to play with consumer protection service inclusive = no costs for claimant at Fairlay.

If someone missed it, we still can try to enforce it, but the claimant has to contribute something for the enforcement effort and costs.

[mu_enrico]

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[game-protect]

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