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April 23, 2016, 05:29:29 PM
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Faucet down... or just out perhaps since the current blockchain's days are numbered?

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April 23, 2016, 06:14:01 PM
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I already transferred my NAV on trex quite few days ago to avoid complications in swap process.I just was bit away from this thread.I think is easy way to get swapped automatically letting coins on exchange.Waiting for big news !

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April 23, 2016, 09:30:52 PM
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For those that need to move a large amount of coins
Should they move them in 1 transaction. Or send a quarter at a time.

Example. If I had 5million NAV
. Should I send 250,000 at a time instead of the 5 million in 1 shot to Bittrex

I remember Remy5 had some suggestions on Transaction amounts and network strength

Hash are you #1 richlist guy?  Tongue

I would always recommend sending large amount of coins in smaller transactions. Even sending a very small transaction as a test first. Largely due to the fact that if anything goes wrong, eg. you put in a bad address, then you don't lose all your coins!

Last time i bought a large holding of an alt coin I sent the whole lot from the exchange to my fresh wallet and it didn't appear for 24 hours. I almost died thinking id lost the lot!

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April 23, 2016, 10:29:59 PM
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I read the announce, the reactions, and I was surprised...
well... I expected a lot more insults. Wink

Ok, jokes aside, I am pleased that there were no bad moods, I think that the
road taken by the DevTeam, is one that allows to get the best results quickly.

After the announce, there were some intelligent questions on the technical side,
and I think they deserve a little more depth reasonings and answers.

For example, the demand on the type of hashing and if there will be a POW phase.
If I have understand correctly, the Nav 2.0 is a predominantly POS type coin,
then there is not necessity of a strong POW algorithm to enforce a high difficulty
or Asic resistance. So I wonder, is it really necessary for calculating the blocks
hash, to use all the 13 algorithms of the X13 ?

Whereas this is a choice that will take you from here on out, it would not be
better to resort immediately to a calculation of the hash more simpler and
lighter for the CPU?

Regarding the POW stage, I think that a small initial phase is necessary,
at least from a technical point of view.
In case of pure POS coin, in the initial stage of life of the new blockchain,
there is a risk that it might get stuck because there are no mature coins
ready for the POS, and without a stream of blocks the Exchanges would not be
able to distribute the coins to the holders of the new wallet.

If the concern is not to increase the total NAV, the Dev might perform the
POW with a reward fixed at 0, it possibly should be enabled\permitted
automatically just when there were no blocks at least for a certain number
of seconds.
The DevTeam would be so kind to give us some more detail on this?

Another intelligent question, it is about the interval time of the blocks and
the waste of space in bytes which results in inflating of blockchain.
In order to reduce the daily blocks (and MByte), it has been suggested to
double the block time to 60 sec / 6 minutes for the minimum confirm.
But this request as been denied, and the time will still remain to 30 sec / 3 Min,
just like as it is now.

Personally, I like a quick time for blockchain, IMHO, it favors the ease of use
of the coins in real life, and it is more easier for everyone to produce POS block.
At same time, I understand very well the concern about waste of bytes \ resource
(and at long cpu time) that all this can leads, we have all a proof of what this mean.

If we see at the NAV 1.0 blockchain, it is just a raw estimate, but I think
over 95% of the blocks that have been generated so far are useless, because
they do not have recorded new real transactions, but only the TX needed for
the POS itself.
IMHO, This it one thing that few can know, but that should not be ignored.

Of course part of reasons of this, is due ehm... the lack of real use of coin,
and I hope for all of you this belong to the past, but in any type activity
there are moment of high load and other with zero work.
The new bigger size for block of NAV 2.0 can do its best in the moment of
hight load,  but IMHO can do nothing for blocks with zero payload.

I would ask: would not be useful if DevTeam study also a system with a
variable interval time between the blocks?

Try to imagine a system which provides  minimum interval time for blockchain,
to be used just when there are new transactions or they need to be confirmed,
and another more relaxed interval time, (ie a minute or more) to be used when
there are no real transactions in progress.
This system can potentially maintain a low transaction time, but at same time
avoid useless waste of byte for long series of empty block.
 
Or maybe they can explore other solution, with new more complex^2 routines,
able to recycle or "forget" the previous empty blocks, but at the same time
safeguarding the revenues of the POS of their respective owners.

What do you think?

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April 23, 2016, 11:42:30 PM
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Note to NavCoin dev team:

You boys might wanna go ahead and remove the Official Forum entry from the Development Graphic in OP as it will be going offline sometime today.  Just a heads up Smiley

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April 24, 2016, 12:32:46 AM
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We strongly recommend that everyone use Bittrex as the swap mechanism. Manual swaps after the end of the Bittrex coin swap are possible but it does take us a reasonable amount of effort per swap and I'm sure you would rather we are busy working on new Nav features like the mobile wallet rather than being flooded with coin swaps to perform.


Already in contact with other exchange? They accepted?
I fear some might consider the Nav2.0 not as an evolution,
but as a new currency and put forward new requests.

In reference to the operations for manual swap, I was thinking,
do you could readjust partly your system for anonymous
transaction and use it to perform the manual swap, in "automatic"?
 
If you see it in a very abstract way, after all, these are two very
similar tasks. [1]
 
The current system anonymously sends back the transaction in input,
and the output on the same blockchain.

In that hypothetical ad hoc system for "manual swap", it would accept
the input transaction from Nav 1.0, and here it will be burned, sending
it to a (malformed) burn-address.
At the same time on blockchain NAV 2.0 would start an equivalent
transaction from your fund for the conversion, sending it to the
new true final destination.
All without any real manual intervention by your part. Smiley


In this regard, I would like your own opinion.
Could You ask to Bittrex, if they before closing their old wallet,
they can put as last command the order to burn all the old NAV,
sending everything to a burn address?

IMHO this could facilitate the accounting operations, on what has
been converted, and what was left of "live" in the old blockchain.
Or may be just a useless complication. Smiley


Now Package would make a recommendation to you, while you're in the
phase of creating the new wallet, I would urge you to bring in even
somethings that have been found useful in the old wallet, the system
synchronization of time based on NTP, and if possible to improve it
by making more stringent the control over the time, and mandatory for all.
(There are still a couple of wallet around which do not use it)

Most of all, Craig, I strongly urge you to check that the new wallet, do not
inherit the old nonlinearities that plague the old wallet.

Well, I can only wish you good job.

[1]
And if in the future, using the same auto-manual-swap system you
wanted to create a system for automatic conversion, like shapeshift
well... you'd be already in the middle of work done. Smiley


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Sorry for long posts
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April 24, 2016, 01:36:09 AM
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Thanks Remy5 your a Star!
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Last edit: April 24, 2016, 01:18:29 PM by hashforce101
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April 24, 2016, 07:01:28 PM
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We strongly recommend that everyone use Bittrex as the swap mechanism. Manual swaps after the end of the Bittrex coin swap are possible but it does take us a reasonable amount of effort per swap and I'm sure you would rather we are busy working on new Nav features like the mobile wallet rather than being flooded with coin swaps to perform.


Already in contact with other exchange? They accepted?
I fear some might consider the Nav2.0 not as an evolution,
but as a new currency and put forward new requests.

In reference to the operations for manual swap, I was thinking,
do you could readjust partly your system for anonymous
transaction and use it to perform the manual swap, in "automatic"?
 
If you see it in a very abstract way, after all, these are two very
similar tasks. [1]
 
The current system anonymously sends back the transaction in input,
and the output on the same blockchain.

In that hypothetical ad hoc system for "manual swap", it would accept
the input transaction from Nav 1.0, and here it will be burned, sending
it to a (malformed) burn-address.
At the same time on blockchain NAV 2.0 would start an equivalent
transaction from your fund for the conversion, sending it to the
new true final destination.
All without any real manual intervention by your part. Smiley


In this regard, I would like your own opinion.
Could You ask to Bittrex, if they before closing their old wallet,
they can put as last command the order to burn all the old NAV,
sending everything to a burn address?

IMHO this could facilitate the accounting operations, on what has
been converted, and what was left of "live" in the old blockchain.
Or may be just a useless complication. Smiley


Now Package would make a recommendation to you, while you're in the
phase of creating the new wallet, I would urge you to bring in even
somethings that have been found useful in the old wallet, the system
synchronization of time based on NTP, and if possible to improve it
by making more stringent the control over the time, and mandatory for all.
(There are still a couple of wallet around which do not use it)

Most of all, Craig, I strongly urge you to check that the new wallet, do not
inherit the old nonlinearities that plague the old wallet.

Well, I can only wish you good job.

[1]
And if in the future, using the same auto-manual-swap system you
wanted to create a system for automatic conversion, like shapeshift
well... you'd be already in the middle of work done. Smiley


PS:
Sorry for long posts

Ah How I missed you Remy! Smiley

I will go through your posts and send you a reply here by tomorrow and about the new wallet mate , well everything is coming together perfectly mate. Smiley
The entire team is working behind it round the clock.

Warm Regards,
~SoopY~

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April 25, 2016, 07:54:08 AM
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We strongly recommend that everyone use Bittrex as the swap mechanism. Manual swaps after the end of the Bittrex coin swap are possible but it does take us a reasonable amount of effort per swap and I'm sure you would rather we are busy working on new Nav features like the mobile wallet rather than being flooded with coin swaps to perform.


Already in contact with other exchange? They accepted?
I fear some might consider the Nav2.0 not as an evolution,
but as a new currency and put forward new requests.

In reference to the operations for manual swap, I was thinking,
do you could readjust partly your system for anonymous
transaction and use it to perform the manual swap, in "automatic"?
 
If you see it in a very abstract way, after all, these are two very
similar tasks. [1]
 
The current system anonymously sends back the transaction in input,
and the output on the same blockchain.

In that hypothetical ad hoc system for "manual swap", it would accept
the input transaction from Nav 1.0, and here it will be burned, sending
it to a (malformed) burn-address.
At the same time on blockchain NAV 2.0 would start an equivalent
transaction from your fund for the conversion, sending it to the
new true final destination.
All without any real manual intervention by your part. Smiley


In this regard, I would like your own opinion.
Could You ask to Bittrex, if they before closing their old wallet,
they can put as last command the order to burn all the old NAV,
sending everything to a burn address?

IMHO this could facilitate the accounting operations, on what has
been converted, and what was left of "live" in the old blockchain.
Or may be just a useless complication. Smiley


Now Package would make a recommendation to you, while you're in the
phase of creating the new wallet, I would urge you to bring in even
somethings that have been found useful in the old wallet, the system
synchronization of time based on NTP, and if possible to improve it
by making more stringent the control over the time, and mandatory for all.
(There are still a couple of wallet around which do not use it)

Most of all, Craig, I strongly urge you to check that the new wallet, do not
inherit the old nonlinearities that plague the old wallet.

Well, I can only wish you good job.

[1]
And if in the future, using the same auto-manual-swap system you
wanted to create a system for automatic conversion, like shapeshift
well... you'd be already in the middle of work done. Smiley


PS:
Sorry for long posts

Ah How I missed you Remy! Smiley

I will go through your posts and send you a reply here by tomorrow and about the new wallet mate , well everything is coming together perfectly mate. Smiley
The entire team is working behind it round the clock.

Warm Regards,
~SoopY~


Quite literally around the clock! I am GMT+12 so I work while the other guys sleep and then we switch!

I have added a banner to the website which links to a page that houses the information about the upgrade: http://navcoin.org/upgrade

There are also some updated screen shots of the client with the rest of the branding applied. Sophia is working on the text of this page to make it a bit more user friendly.

I have also updated the projects page to more accurately reflect where we are with our various projects!

http://navcoin.org/projects

Talk soon


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April 25, 2016, 10:22:14 AM
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We strongly recommend that everyone use Bittrex as the swap mechanism. Manual swaps after the end of the Bittrex coin swap are possible but it does take us a reasonable amount of effort per swap and I'm sure you would rather we are busy working on new Nav features like the mobile wallet rather than being flooded with coin swaps to perform.


Already in contact with other exchange? They accepted?
I fear some might consider the Nav2.0 not as an evolution,
but as a new currency and put forward new requests.

In reference to the operations for manual swap, I was thinking,
do you could readjust partly your system for anonymous
transaction and use it to perform the manual swap, in "automatic"?
 
If you see it in a very abstract way, after all, these are two very
similar tasks. [1]
 
The current system anonymously sends back the transaction in input,
and the output on the same blockchain.

In that hypothetical ad hoc system for "manual swap", it would accept
the input transaction from Nav 1.0, and here it will be burned, sending
it to a (malformed) burn-address.
At the same time on blockchain NAV 2.0 would start an equivalent
transaction from your fund for the conversion, sending it to the
new true final destination.
All without any real manual intervention by your part. Smiley


In this regard, I would like your own opinion.
Could You ask to Bittrex, if they before closing their old wallet,
they can put as last command the order to burn all the old NAV,
sending everything to a burn address?

IMHO this could facilitate the accounting operations, on what has
been converted, and what was left of "live" in the old blockchain.
Or may be just a useless complication. Smiley


Now Package would make a recommendation to you, while you're in the
phase of creating the new wallet, I would urge you to bring in even
somethings that have been found useful in the old wallet, the system
synchronization of time based on NTP, and if possible to improve it
by making more stringent the control over the time, and mandatory for all.
(There are still a couple of wallet around which do not use it)

Most of all, Craig, I strongly urge you to check that the new wallet, do not
inherit the old nonlinearities that plague the old wallet.

Well, I can only wish you good job.

[1]
And if in the future, using the same auto-manual-swap system you
wanted to create a system for automatic conversion, like shapeshift
well... you'd be already in the middle of work done. Smiley


PS:
Sorry for long posts

Ah How I missed you Remy! Smiley

I will go through your posts and send you a reply here by tomorrow and about the new wallet mate , well everything is coming together perfectly mate. Smiley
The entire team is working behind it round the clock.

Warm Regards,
~SoopY~


Quite literally around the clock! I am GMT+12 so I work while the other guys sleep and then we switch!

I have added a banner to the website which links to a page that houses the information about the upgrade: http://navcoin.org/upgrade

There are also some updated screen shots of the client with the rest of the branding applied. Sophia is working on the text of this page to make it a bit more user friendly.

I have also updated the projects page to more accurately reflect where we are with our various projects!

http://navcoin.org/projects

Talk soon



Any chance of a nice banner to add to our signatures or maybe something to retweet again ?Smiley

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April 25, 2016, 04:23:09 PM
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This swap will be so good. no more cryptsy coins and no more yobit. yobit still hasnt asnwered my ticket from 3/7/16. they only answer tickets if it makes them money. they can keep that 100 nav test deposit now, cause it will be worthless soon... yobit=the next cryptsy.
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https://twitter.com/NAVCoin/status/724708468406530049
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This swap will be so good. no more cryptsy coins and no more yobit. yobit still hasnt asnwered my ticket from 3/7/16. they only answer tickets if it makes them money. they can keep that 100 nav test deposit now, cause it will be worthless soon... yobit=the next cryptsy.

Remove them from the opening page. Technical support is key to running a great exchange
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Did anyone receive messages in their inbox to say people in China can not register for Bittrex for the swap?
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Did anyone receive messages in their inbox to say people in China can not register for Bittrex for the swap?
Yes, I have. I don't know Bittrex's status in China. However we are in the process of building an automated swap outside of bittrex and we will keep you updated on the process as the details unfold.

Cheers,
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April 26, 2016, 06:35:10 AM
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Um I gotta ask a stupid question excuse my ignorance.
here goes ,

If most of us swap coins wont the old blockchain grind to a halt without staking making it very difficult for people move and swap their coins and leave it vulnerable to attacks? making an automated system kinda risky ?


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Um I gotta ask a stupid question excuse my ignorance.
here goes ,

If most of us swap coins wont the old blockchain grind to a halt without staking making it very difficult for people move and swap their coins and leave it vulnerable to attacks? making an automated system kinda risky ?



Hi mate,

when you swap we will hold a few coins to ensure the chain is still moving. The manual swap wallet will be staking the network!
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April 27, 2016, 11:22:06 PM
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Hi Everyone,

Quick update from us. We are still testing the Anonymous Network with the new blockchain, it has taken a little longer than expected but our testing should be finished today / tomorrow. From there, we will submit the new code base to bittrex and set the date for the coin swap and distribute our press release to all available news websites with the confirmed date.

I have finished my job for the week and the next 4 days are Nav development for me. During this time as well as testing the Anon Network I will be building an automated system to manage the post-bittrex swap as suggested by Remy 5.

This will enable anyone who is unable to swap through bittrex to have a reliable method for swapping their coins however Bittrex will be the first point of call for all swaps.

I have started building this in NodeJS and will be using this as the base of the code for the decentralised anon distribution since it can be compressed and hashed to check for file integrity.

Talk soon,
Craig.

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April 28, 2016, 12:19:10 AM
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Assuming a lot of these coins will not be swapped due to lost in exchanges and other reasons. Eventually what will you guys do with the coins not claimed ?

How long will you keep the claims ongoing for the late comers who will probably miss the swap at the exchange?

I am going to guess few millions coins of the of lost coins wont be claimed, dare i say up to tens of millions (probably stuck in cryptsy alone). Based on previous markets behaviors, this should make this coin even more rarer and thus hype spike. This would attract the attention to users who were not aware of the swap and come running. I think i recall reading that you guys will hold on to the rest of the coins for a while for the late comers. I would still suggest you come up with a deadline now or as early as possible. This way it is transparent and public, and who ever comes much much later and complains, it would be publicly known that they had all the time to participate on the swap.

Is the new coin structure and stake percentage same as the current?

also will there be any info how the annon will run?

Is there any new features?

got anything else you can share at this time?

I some how believe annon feature could be the only use that can take a POS coin to a new level. hope the major focus is on this feature more then the others : )
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