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September 02, 2014, 04:54:06 PM
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Apologies if this has been discussed already. I've been out of circulation for a fortnight with almost no web access.
I'm curious about the economic effect of the ipo.

Ethereum has been blamed for sucking btc out of the system and causing a brutal bear market in the alts. Would this be the reverse of that? Btc used to buy selected anon-alts, significantly boosting their prices. Plus the supply/demand effect of tying up thousands of btc-worth of coins in cold storage. Alts like Litecoin get hit both ways - sold as a vehicle to buy SuperNET shares and then excluded from joining the network.

Thoughts?


i think coins lacking innovation will suffer, which is good in my opinion. like you said, coins that aren't part of SN might be sold by people looking for funds to invest with. some people will reject this, ie hodlers of forks. they will write off SN as some giant "ponzi scheme" or whatever terminology. which is also good; the crypto world doesn't need people who are afraid of change.


we're seeing technological innovation in this specific sector happening extremely fast (EXTREMELY!!). i think we'll see a fair amount of people and coins get flushed out with the advent of SN


adapt or perish...
The market should start doing the following:
1. evaluate the coins they own to see if it has any unique features and if not, then I apologize to them for what is about to happen. If they are reading this, then hopefully they can get better price.
2. they can then look for coins with good unique features and a good community to target the coins most likely to become part of SuperNET CORE. it is risky as all the coins look like they will be saying they will get into the CORE, but the people that can properly evaluate the odds, could make some good money
3. they can just buy at IPO and wait for only the actual deals, which SuperNET benefits from and also collect the future dividends.
4. Some NXT assets will also become part of the CORE, and could well start trading on some exchanges

The expected size of offering and thus the userbase of SuperNET is getting pretty large. With the expected value of the future dividends being proportional to the number of users, the larger the IPO, the more the expected value and the higher the expected book value multiple upon trading (up to some saturation limit if it really goes crazy high, but this is not so likely as there is no fancy marketing stuff, just my ramblings)

James

P.S. for those who are worried that SuperNET will somehow compete with BTCD, I hope you are understanding properly now.

People should know , SuperNET does not compete with BTCD. BTCD is heart of SuperNET. is there a competition between the body and heart? Never

always a healthy heart keeps body in the best condition. Cheesy
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September 02, 2014, 05:31:49 PM
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Got some BTCD out of Cryptsy this morning and late this afternoon withdrew the rest
and they seem to be stuck  Roll Eyes
Im done with that place.

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September 02, 2014, 05:47:41 PM
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Apologies if this has been discussed already. I've been out of circulation for a fortnight with almost no web access.
I'm curious about the economic effect of the ipo.

Ethereum has been blamed for sucking btc out of the system and causing a brutal bear market in the alts. Would this be the reverse of that? Btc used to buy selected anon-alts, significantly boosting their prices. Plus the supply/demand effect of tying up thousands of btc-worth of coins in cold storage. Alts like Litecoin get hit both ways - sold as a vehicle to buy SuperNET shares and then excluded from joining the network.

Thoughts?


i think coins lacking innovation will suffer, which is good in my opinion. like you said, coins that aren't part of SN might be sold by people looking for funds to invest with. some people will reject this, ie hodlers of forks. they will write off SN as some giant "ponzi scheme" or whatever terminology. which is also good; the crypto world doesn't need people who are afraid of change.


we're seeing technological innovation in this specific sector happening extremely fast (EXTREMELY!!). i think we'll see a fair amount of people and coins get flushed out with the advent of SN


adapt or perish...
The market should start doing the following:
1. evaluate the coins they own to see if it has any unique features and if not, then I apologize to them for what is about to happen. If they are reading this, then hopefully they can get better price.
2. they can then look for coins with good unique features and a good community to target the coins most likely to become part of SuperNET CORE. it is risky as all the coins look like they will be saying they will get into the CORE, but the people that can properly evaluate the odds, could make some good money
3. they can just buy at IPO and wait for only the actual deals, which SuperNET benefits from and also collect the future dividends.
4. Some NXT assets will also become part of the CORE, and could well start trading on some exchanges

The expected size of offering and thus the userbase of SuperNET is getting pretty large. With the expected value of the future dividends being proportional to the number of users, the larger the IPO, the more the expected value and the higher the expected book value multiple upon trading (up to some saturation limit if it really goes crazy high, but this is not so likely as there is no fancy marketing stuff, just my ramblings)

James

P.S. for those who are worried that SuperNET will somehow compete with BTCD, I hope you are understanding properly now.

People should know , SuperNET does not compete with BTCD. BTCD is heart of SuperNET. is there a competition between the body and heart? Never

always a healthy heart keeps body in the best condition. Cheesy


Sorry - there's been a misunderstanding about my post (not surprising, I was exhausted after travelling all day when I wrote it on my phone - never the best time or way to make a point clear).
The idea was that the SuperNET IPO would actually benefit various coins, in exactly the reverse way that Ethereum had damaged them - over and above any intentional effect it had on a coin's value. By pulling money into bitcoin via Coinomat, purchasing key alts and restricting their supply by hodling, it aims to do almost the exact reverse of what Ethereum did in its IPO.
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September 02, 2014, 06:30:07 PM
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Got some BTCD out of Cryptsy this morning and late this afternoon withdrew the rest
and they seem to be stuck  Roll Eyes
Im done with that place.
You should have done that by the time you saw withdrawals are fast.
gladly I tried to get 1btcd out of craptsy and then I withdrew all of them

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Last edit: September 02, 2014, 08:12:38 PM by daxiake
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Anonymous is a strong term, we have yet to see one cryptocurrency achieve that instead of boasting about "anonymity".

Simply integrating mixing or wiring the transactions via Tor/L2P isn't enough, integrating mixing and claiming anonymity makes about as much sense as lowering the block speed and claiming to be the "fastest altcoin" or "the altcoin with the fastest transactions". It implies that there is some original innovation when there is none.

I might not be on here 24/7 looking into every single altcoin but as far as I know we are the only candidate that got it so far, however we are pretty early into development ourselves.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=744261.msg8415564#msg8415564




The next update will likely be the last mandatory hardfork, we will introduce a reduced blockchain and apply some amorphous computing concepts that we have been working on very hard, topology-aware clients are the future of decentralized monetary systems and will lead to much faster propagation of information and generally significantly reduced dis-synchronization of the network.


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September 02, 2014, 08:10:10 PM
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BTCDHolders please take a second and support this idea:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=767343.0
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September 02, 2014, 09:51:57 PM
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BTCDHolders please take a second and support this idea:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=767343.0

I took a few seconds  Grin

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September 02, 2014, 09:59:59 PM
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BTCDHolders please take a second and support this idea:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=767343.0

I took a few seconds  Grin

What did you realize in this thread? Huh

æthereum? Grin Grin Grin
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September 02, 2014, 10:07:22 PM
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Got some BTCD out of Cryptsy this morning and late this afternoon withdrew the rest
and they seem to be stuck  Roll Eyes
Im done with that place.
You should have done that by the time you saw withdrawals are fast.
gladly I tried to get 1btcd out of craptsy and then I withdrew all of them


Glad to able to withdraw all of  your  balance Smiley Wink
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September 02, 2014, 10:08:57 PM
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This is a really effective means for disseminating info on the SuperNet ... thx for doing this!


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September 02, 2014, 10:35:59 PM
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 Thanks, when you see some interesting question + answer on the forums please go to that site and add it, you can create questions and answer them yourself. You can also add more detailed answer to already answered questions etc.. Over time it will be a very good ressource to get the best answer for all possible questions. And let me know when you can improve/admin that site, css can be edited etc..
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September 02, 2014, 10:41:54 PM
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Maybe someone can answer what step we are at now regarding BTCD? Are we still waiting for someone to review JL's code or waiting for something else? I checked the ANN thread and through all of the conversation on here and questions, it's hard to figure out where we are right now and what the next steps are.

Thanks!
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September 02, 2014, 10:47:16 PM
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BitcoinDark featured on Kristov Atlas darknews.
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September 02, 2014, 11:39:10 PM
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add me too to the list of the anon card  Smiley

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September 03, 2014, 12:25:45 AM
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if we could go to any ATM in the world with the anon card, deposit fiat and get BTCD instantly, it would be awesome! !  ! Cool
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send BTCD to SuperNET card and get fiat from any ATM that supports mastercard

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September 03, 2014, 12:26:41 AM
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Why not just run a preorder now for the first batch of cards, with a 3 or four day deadline.
volume discounts, cost per card, delivery time > 3 days, etc
50 cards, 100 cards, 250 cards, 1000 cards?

just a rough ballpark

http://www.digitalcatallaxy.com/report2015.html
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September 03, 2014, 12:30:09 AM
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Put me down for an Anon Card.


Ooh, ooh, me too, me too!! 

James, at least 100 pages ago, when we were still collecting funds for the anon card, you mentioned the possibility of picking the anon cards up at trade shows.  Individuals who did not want to supply a shipping address would then have the opportunity to get their hands on a card.  What are the odds that this will be a viable option, how serious were you about this idea?  It seems, with all that's going on, this wouldn't be possible for quite some time.  Just asking for those who might have reservations.....
it is SuperNET card, so the next time any coin in the SuperNET core (BTCD + NXT currently) is having a presence (or anybody) at a tradeshow, we can get the people to say how many cards, then ship that many, plus some few extra to the person going to the trade show.

Then some sort of secret handshake to show you are already paying for the card and you grab a random one from the box of SuperNET cards

I dont see why this cant be done. All we need is some sort of list of txid for paying of the card issuing fee and the person at the trade show crosses off the list your txid when you grab the random card

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September 03, 2014, 12:35:36 AM
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Maybe someone can answer what step we are at now regarding BTCD? Are we still waiting for someone to review JL's code or waiting for something else? I checked the ANN thread and through all of the conversation on here and questions, it's hard to figure out where we are right now and what the next steps are.

Thanks!
I am busy with some new project until Thursday, after that I will be able to 100% be on Teleport debug and I am getting initial releases so I should be able to start tomorrow.

please understand there is a lot of work behind the scenes to put together a 10,000+ BTC offering
I think this is worth whatever delay to Teleport it causes, but since I am still waiting on release, the time lost will be less than a couple days

still no volunteers or even anybody that is willing to be hired to look at my some few lines of C code.

James

http://www.digitalcatallaxy.com/report2015.html
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September 03, 2014, 12:48:57 AM
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Maybe someone can answer what step we are at now regarding BTCD? Are we still waiting for someone to review JL's code or waiting for something else? I checked the ANN thread and through all of the conversation on here and questions, it's hard to figure out where we are right now and what the next steps are.

Thanks!
I am busy with some new project until Thursday, after that I will be able to 100% be on Teleport debug and I am getting initial releases so I should be able to start tomorrow.

please understand there is a lot of work behind the scenes to put together a 10,000+ BTC offering
I think this is worth whatever delay to Teleport it causes, but since I am still waiting on release, the time lost will be less than a couple days

still no volunteers or even anybody that is willing to be hired to look at my some few lines of C code.

James

Dan Metcalf?
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September 03, 2014, 12:59:23 AM
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BitcoinDark featured on Kristov Atlas darknews.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upcVcW2d790
mostly right, seems a bit confused that node specific script written for that node is not adding any security issues that are not already there.

now when we have linked-tradebots that are downloaded to multiple machines, this does become some factor. but that is for later anyway

also the anon-card of $500/day is a bit above what he says is possible

I have been working at my pace of 7+ years

I like kitchen sinks Smiley

James

P.S. oh yes, wait for the pullback, BTCD is already pretty high. How many peoples are listening to him? seems he is not heard of SuperNET yet, but since it is recorded cant fault him for that. The majority of the show was about BTCD, is that normal?

http://www.digitalcatallaxy.com/report2015.html
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