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[pbremen01]

Were running our own tests as we speak, we will be documenting them.

Why don't you do the right thing and hire some competent mathematicians/cryptographers to prove (or disprove) that your anonymity method actually works?

You could also publish the results in some respected scientific journal. This will give boost to the credibility of this coin.

[Petr1fied]

I will post some examples tomorrow if I will have enough time. I haven't verified them yet.

That's always your excuse though isn't it? You're only too happy to post information that you get from "random internet" people but you're never prepared to match words with action.

If you want to prove an example, my challenge to find the source of an anonymous transaction I sent over a week ago is still open and as yet nobody has provided me with the original sending address:

Am trying to run the program now.

ok feed it these values:

Block Height: 11237
Exact Amount: 1.9998

What wallet address did these coins originally come from?

[pr0m3theus2013]

BRB calling Stephen Hawking! We don't need to hire mathematicians to verify our anonymity works, the power in it is in it's simplicity. Please post your "examples" now. We tested extensively and can declare that it's fake. A well crafted piece of fud.

Were running our own tests as we speak, we will be documenting them.

Why don't you do the right thing and hire some competent mathematicians/cryptographers to prove (or disprove) that your anonymity method actually works?

You could also publish the results in some respected scientific journal. This will give boost to the credibility of this coin.

[smille]

Were running our own tests as we speak, we will be documenting them.

Why don't you do the right thing and hire some competent mathematicians/cryptographers to prove (or disprove) that your anonymity method actually works?

You could also publish the results in some respected scientific journal. This will give boost to the credibility of this coin.

You seem like such a good Samaritan, maybe you could lend the cash to do so!

[darkproton]

Were running our own tests as we speak, we will be documenting them.

Why don't you do the right thing and hire some competent mathematicians/cryptographers to prove (or disprove) that your anonymity method actually works?

You could also publish the results in some respected scientific journal. This will give boost to the credibility of this coin.

What do you want? Dan Metcalf of XC looked over the code. It's up to you to try to break the anon. Why don't you hire somebody to try to break it?

[pbremen01]

BRB calling Stephen Hawking! We don't need to hire mathematicians to verify our anonymity works, the power in it is in it's simplicity. Please post your "examples" now. We tested extensively and can declare that it's fake. A well crafted piece of fud.

Tomorrow. It is almost 3AM here and I still haven't finished some other (non-crypto related) things.

[pr0m3theus2013]

You do realize how that looks upon you right?

BRB calling Stephen Hawking! We don't need to hire mathematicians to verify our anonymity works, the power in it is in it's simplicity. Please post your "examples" now. We tested extensively and can declare that it's fake. A well crafted piece of fud.

Tomorrow. It is almost 3AM here and I still haven't finished some other (non-crypto related) things.

[pbremen01]

Were running our own tests as we speak, we will be documenting them.

Why don't you do the right thing and hire some competent mathematicians/cryptographers to prove (or disprove) that your anonymity method actually works?

You could also publish the results in some respected scientific journal. This will give boost to the credibility of this coin.

You seem like such a good Samaritan, maybe you could lend the cash to do so!

Well, if the pumpers can afford to hire 22 people, then hiring one additional expert shouldn't be such problem for them.

[pr0m3theus2013]

We want to know your findings, in the event that it's real (it's not) we would even create a solution to resolve it. Were here and ready to make changes as they are needed and we appreciate any input. We don't however appreciate people making negative statements without providing us with enough detail to explain the situation, or put or devs to work on correcting the issue. I regard this as fud until someone can provide us with evidence beyond what we have tested and disproved on our own.

You do realize how that looks upon you right?

BRB calling Stephen Hawking! We don't need to hire mathematicians to verify our anonymity works, the power in it is in it's simplicity. Please post your "examples" now. We tested extensively and can declare that it's fake. A well crafted piece of fud.

Tomorrow. It is almost 3AM here and I still haven't finished some other (non-crypto related) things.

[pbremen01]

Were running our own tests as we speak, we will be documenting them.

Why don't you do the right thing and hire some competent mathematicians/cryptographers to prove (or disprove) that your anonymity method actually works?

You could also publish the results in some respected scientific journal. This will give boost to the credibility of this coin.

What do you want? Dan Metcalf of XC looked over the code. It's up to you to try to break the anon. Why don't you hire somebody to try to break it?

If someone can't prove that their method is secure (anonymous), then you should assume that it is not secure (anonymous).

[pr0m3theus2013]

You seem to have plenty of time to spend replying here and speaking with malice against our technology but no time to back up your statements. We want to work for you, give us the information we need to take care of it, or stop fudding.

Were running our own tests as we speak, we will be documenting them.

Why don't you do the right thing and hire some competent mathematicians/cryptographers to prove (or disprove) that your anonymity method actually works?

You could also publish the results in some respected scientific journal. This will give boost to the credibility of this coin.

You seem like such a good Samaritan, maybe you could lend the cash to do so!

Well, if the pumpers can afford to hire 22 people, then hiring one additional expert shouldn't be such problem for them.

[Jky]

Were running our own tests as we speak, we will be documenting them.

Why don't you do the right thing and hire some competent mathematicians/cryptographers to prove (or disprove) that your anonymity method actually works?

You could also publish the results in some respected scientific journal. This will give boost to the credibility of this coin.

You seem like such a good Samaritan, maybe you could lend the cash to do so!

Well, if the pumpers can afford to hire 22 people, then hiring one additional expert shouldn't be such problem for them.

Or the 22 peoples just strive for one and the same target

[Bitcycle]

If someone can't prove that their method is secure (anonymous), then you should assume that it is not secure (anonymous).

This is a true statement. The onus is definitely on the people making claims of anonymity.

[_evolution_]

Am trying to run the program now.

ok feed it these values:

Block Height: 11237
Exact Amount: 1.9998

What wallet address did these coins originally come from?

That's a mixer and not the sender address, right?
KHnWwPymSu15rk3FMwwZWVuCvnZeYPomjS

[pbremen01]

Ok, this is my last post today. I currently can't provide any numeric example because I have access only to linux laptop and I will have to ask other people to do testing for me.

Look at the one anonymous transaction. In qt client you'll see several transactions. Now go to blockchain explorer and check the outputs of these transactions (you can look at block at the whole). Now add the amounts of some of these outputs - the output should be equal to amount received by other party + some fees. Now write down the inputs and check in qt client if you have private keys for these. This is my educated guess about the principles behind this program.

This problem can't be easily rectified. See my other posts where I wrote down some formulas (like X = Y + R1+R2+..+Rn or something).

You seem to have plenty of time to spend replying here and speaking with malice against our technology but no time to back up your statements. We want to work for you, give us the information we need to take care of it, or stop fudding.

Were running our own tests as we speak, we will be documenting them.

Why don't you do the right thing and hire some competent mathematicians/cryptographers to prove (or disprove) that your anonymity method actually works?

You could also publish the results in some respected scientific journal. This will give boost to the credibility of this coin.

You seem like such a good Samaritan, maybe you could lend the cash to do so!

Well, if the pumpers can afford to hire 22 people, then hiring one additional expert shouldn't be such problem for them.

[Petr1fied]

Were here and ready to make changes as they are needed and we appreciate any input.

There is one thing I've mentioned previously which would improve it.

When the sending wallet sends to the first mixer it sends (3? only tested once) random values but all 3 go to the exact same wallet address which makes it easier to find a potential starting point on the blockchain.

It would be better if the random payments were sent to 3 separate wallet addresses (although all belonging to the same account) on the first mixer to make it impossible to look for multiple transactions to the same wallet address in a single block.

[pr0m3theus2013]

That is a mixer.

Am trying to run the program now.

ok feed it these values:

Block Height: 11237
Exact Amount: 1.9998

What wallet address did these coins originally come from?

That's a mixer and not the sender address, right?
KHnWwPymSu15rk3FMwwZWVuCvnZeYPomjS

[tristartek]

Somebody wrote a C# program that breaks KeyCoin anonymous transactions.

Reddit link:

http://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/2c6pax/program_that_deanonymizes_anonymous_keycoin/

I haven't tested it yet.

Do you think that this attack is coming from this FUD group?

http://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/28hqu3/warning_to_all_anonymous_coins_promoters_and/

This was also posted on Reddit several hours ago:

http://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/2c5on7/anonymous_send_function_removed_in_latest_keycoin/

Ran the prog on a anon tx and it does not work.  Why paste shit you have not tested yet?  Come on man, youre like the king of fud.  When will you stop?  You blatantly post stuff that does not work to cause FUD!  People need to see through your shit tactics already.

[Coin-Moron]

  I haven't sold my stash.

[Petr1fied]

Am trying to run the program now.

ok feed it these values:

Block Height: 11237
Exact Amount: 1.9998

What wallet address did these coins originally come from?

That's a mixer and not the sender address, right?
KHnWwPymSu15rk3FMwwZWVuCvnZeYPomjS

This is from the client that both sent and received those coins:





I've edited the images purely to hide the random values sent to the mixer, the time variances between the in/out transactions and also highlighted some information for emphasis. I also used a label on the mixer address so nobody (aside from me) has any clue as to the first mixer address to receive the coins.

You can clearly see that the wallet address you gave me to test is not one of mine so as pr0m3theus2013 points out:

That is a mixer.