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September 05, 2014, 10:04:43 PM |
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September 05, 2014, 10:05:59 PM |
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I have a concern about the Burstcoin mining process and it possibly being susceptible to selfish mining attacks. I'm hoping that the dev, or someone more familiar with the mining process can alleviate my concerns.
Basically, my concern is that a miner might be able to artificially increase their hashrate by manipulating which transactions get included in a block. A malicious miner could find a block, but only include a set of specially created transactions such that it ensures (or at least increases the odds) they find the next block as well.
Am I missing something, or is this a real concern?
Unlike most coins that try to find a nonce where hashing the block contents meets a target, burst includes information proving an address is eligible to mine that block, and then signs it with that address. This allows us to lock down the numbers used in the calculations by only using information from previous blocks in the algorithm. The only information that is used is generation signature, block height, and the user who mined the last block, so the only manipulation possible is to choose not to mine a block you are able to. The generation signature is based on the same values from the block before it. Changing the transactions won't change anything, so that isn't a valid attack vector.
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Irontiga
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September 05, 2014, 10:09:37 PM |
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I have a concern about the Burstcoin mining process and it possibly being susceptible to selfish mining attacks. I'm hoping that the dev, or someone more familiar with the mining process can alleviate my concerns.
Basically, my concern is that a miner might be able to artificially increase their hashrate by manipulating which transactions get included in a block. A malicious miner could find a block, but only include a set of specially created transactions such that it ensures (or at least increases the odds) they find the next block as well.
Am I missing something, or is this a real concern?
Unlike most coins that try to find a nonce where hashing the block contents meets a target, burst includes information proving an address is eligible to mine that block, and then signs it with that address. This allows us to lock down the numbers used in the calculations by only using information from previous blocks in the algorithm. The only information that is used is generation signature, block height, and the user who mined the last block, so the only manipulation possible to choose not to mine a block you are able to. The generation signature is based on the same values from the block before it. Changing the transactions won't change anything, so that isn't a valid attack vector. Honestly, we have got to have the best dev EVER!!!
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har23
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September 05, 2014, 10:12:25 PM |
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Shit... 250 satoshis
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coinits
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September 05, 2014, 10:17:54 PM |
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hi can some one help ? after trying mining on pool of uray ( http://burst-pool.cryptoport.io/) successfuly but with poor results (only 7000 burst with 20 tb plots) i want to switch back to solo but every time i try it with wathever miner this is what i get Submitting share {"result":"Passphrase does not match reward recipient"} the plots were working successful in solo ( mined 14 block in the past weeks) and now they only work in pool please help i think i solved ... i went to http://127.0.0.1:8125/rewardassignment.htmlset recipient my account id and passphrase my passphrase now when mining solo i submitting shares can someone confirm this is right procedure to switch from pool to solo mining ? That is what I did and it worked for me. Got a block soon after.
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September 05, 2014, 10:18:15 PM |
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Shit... 250 satoshis don't trip potato chip.
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SpeedDemon13
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September 05, 2014, 10:23:42 PM |
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Shit... 250 satoshis don't trip potato chip. How long have you been in cryptos har23? You have to get use to dips and peaks in cryptos, just like the stock market. You can't have a weak will in this type of environment. After being in 2 year plus, I've become tolerant to it. The price will recover, this coin has a great community and innovation of mining.
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Chairs
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September 05, 2014, 10:25:58 PM |
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I hate to keep asking the same question, but I just want to make sure I'm mining and not wasting time. It's been ~24 hours since I started and I haven't had a deposit yet. I'm running: C:\Windows\SysWOW64\java -Xmx1000m -cp pocminer.jar;lib/*;lib/akka/*;lib/jetty/* pocminer.POCMiner generate accountnumberhere 0 108000000 0 4 Specs are: Core I7 3770k 16GB ram 2.7TB drive It's been running since last night and I've yet to see any indication in my account about a deposit or anything. I can't tell if I'm even mining or not. I have the server, run_generate.bat and the run.bat running right now. The run_generate.bat says "Generating from nonce: 0" and it hasn't changed since last night. Please someone clarify this for me. errors highlighted C:\Windows\SysWOW64\java -Xmx1000m -cp pocminer.jar;lib/*;lib/akka/*;lib/jetty/* pocminer.POCMiner generate accountnumberhere (numeric account number 0 108000000 0(1000) 4 you need to enter your acc number as in bold here java -Xmx7500m -cp pocminer.jar;lib/*;lib/akka/*;lib/jetty/* pocminer.POCMiner generate [b]10976174530077743023[/b] 0 1000000 7500 7 and i think the second 0 needs to be 1000 like the first xmx as you can see in my code I have my account number entered. I just didn't know if it was safe or not to post.
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familiaverde
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September 05, 2014, 10:27:38 PM |
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Shit... 250 satoshis don't trip potato chip. I actualy like this price ... i can buy more coins I dunno when people will learn that a new coin is not all about the price ... i know that many of u like the pump and bump shit ... and u always dream that u get rich by night .... Think about Bitcoin (CPU mining) Then Litecoin (GPU mining) Ripple (premine 100%) Nxt BURST (HDD mining) All this coins was not just another clone ... now lets look at coinmarketcap.com 1. Bitcoin 2.Litecoin 3. Ripple 4. 5. Nxt Think about the price they had in 1st mounth ... it makes me smile Now when u sell your BURST for some cents ... think about the people that did the same with bitcoin , litecoin , ripple or nxt
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Prototyp
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September 05, 2014, 10:28:17 PM |
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Shit... 250 satoshis Do not panic, the price will soon rise again.
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OmegaReaper
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September 05, 2014, 10:28:55 PM |
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I hate to keep asking the same question, but I just want to make sure I'm mining and not wasting time. It's been ~24 hours since I started and I haven't had a deposit yet. I'm running: C:\Windows\SysWOW64\java -Xmx1000m -cp pocminer.jar;lib/*;lib/akka/*;lib/jetty/* pocminer.POCMiner generate accountnumberhere 0 108000000 0 4 Specs are: Core I7 3770k 16GB ram 2.7TB drive It's been running since last night and I've yet to see any indication in my account about a deposit or anything. I can't tell if I'm even mining or not. I have the server, run_generate.bat and the run.bat running right now. The run_generate.bat says "Generating from nonce: 0" and it hasn't changed since last night. Please someone clarify this for me. errors highlighted C:\Windows\SysWOW64\java -Xmx1000m -cp pocminer.jar;lib/*;lib/akka/*;lib/jetty/* pocminer.POCMiner generate accountnumberhere (numeric account number 0 108000000 0(1000) 4 you need to enter your acc number as in bold here java -Xmx7500m -cp pocminer.jar;lib/*;lib/akka/*;lib/jetty/* pocminer.POCMiner generate [b]10976174530077743023[/b] 0 1000000 7500 7 and i think the second 0 needs to be 1000 like the first xmx as you can see in my code I have my account number entered. I just didn't know if it was safe or not to post. your stagger size cannot be 0 try 1000
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har23
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September 05, 2014, 10:31:56 PM |
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Shit... 250 satoshis Do not panic, the price will soon rise again. I will hope, for me its a revolution, i think to holder during 1 years or more. But i don't understand why people want to sell Burst, HDD mining its THE big news in the crypto currency.
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jamoes
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September 05, 2014, 10:32:54 PM |
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I have a concern about the Burstcoin mining process and it possibly being susceptible to selfish mining attacks. I'm hoping that the dev, or someone more familiar with the mining process can alleviate my concerns.
Basically, my concern is that a miner might be able to artificially increase their hashrate by manipulating which transactions get included in a block. A malicious miner could find a block, but only include a set of specially created transactions such that it ensures (or at least increases the odds) they find the next block as well.
Am I missing something, or is this a real concern?
Unlike most coins that try to find a nonce where hashing the block contents meets a target, burst includes information proving an address is eligible to mine that block, and then signs it with that address. This allows us to lock down the numbers used in the calculations by only using information from previous blocks in the algorithm. The only information that is used is generation signature, block height, and the user who mined the last block, so the only manipulation possible is to choose not to mine a block you are able to. The generation signature is based on the same values from the block before it. Changing the transactions won't change anything, so that isn't a valid attack vector. Ok, thanks for the explanation! I think I am getting a better understanding of how it all works. However, this brings up another concern. Does this mean that the transactions themselves aren't encoded in the blockchain in any way? If that's the case, then it seems it would be trivial to perform double-spends. Sorry if this is a stupid question!
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mmmaybe
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September 05, 2014, 10:45:29 PM |
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hi i sent 200 coins. i have only just got set up and thats half my mining earnings so far. hope it helps Thanks You might want to put a cooldown timer on it so somebody doesn't drain it... Yeah.. Added 20 min cooldown Should be much longer imho, in this phase it should primarily be for miners needing coins to start mining. How about an hour? What would you recommend? We basicly don't want it to get abused, right? If its not abused, 20 min is fine but if the funds seem to get abused the cooldown should be increased
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coinits
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September 05, 2014, 10:45:40 PM |
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Someone please look at this code and tell me if I did something wrong. I've been running for ~20 hours and haven't had any type of payout or even a notification in my wallet letting me know I'm doing it right. C:\Windows\SysWOW64\java -Xmx1000m -cp pocminer.jar;lib/*;lib/akka/*;lib/jetty/* pocminer.POCMiner generate acctnumberhere 0 108000000 0 4 Running 2.7 TB completely empty drive. Wanting to maximize the space as much as possible. Thank you for all the help all of you have provided the past day or so, I really do a appreciate you guys helping a complete mining noob like myself. BTW my specs are: I7 3770k (gen2 I think) 16 gb ram GTX 690 if that matters and the empty 2.7TB that I'm mining on. Do: C:\Windows\SysWOW64\java -Xmx1000m -cp pocminer.jar;lib/*;lib/akka/*;lib/jetty/* pocminer.POCMiner generate acctnumberhere 0 11004000 1000 4 Ideally you would use the other windows plotter since it is much faster. Then you could do staggers of 6000 instead of 1000. What other Windows plotter?
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Jump you fuckers! | The thing about smart motherfuckers is they sound like crazy motherfuckers to dumb motherfuckers. | My sig space for rent for 0.01 btc per week.
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Hix
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September 05, 2014, 10:47:41 PM |
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Shit... 250 satoshis All be ok. Price can not rise always. Be strong, keep your eggs in hands and wait Price are very close to touch the bottom.
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SpeedDemon13
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September 05, 2014, 10:50:31 PM |
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I hate to keep asking the same question, but I just want to make sure I'm mining and not wasting time. It's been ~24 hours since I started and I haven't had a deposit yet. I'm running: C:\Windows\SysWOW64\java -Xmx1000m -cp pocminer.jar;lib/*;lib/akka/*;lib/jetty/* pocminer.POCMiner generate accountnumberhere 0 108000000 0 4 Specs are: Core I7 3770k 16GB ram 2.7TB drive It's been running since last night and I've yet to see any indication in my account about a deposit or anything. I can't tell if I'm even mining or not. I have the server, run_generate.bat and the run.bat running right now. The run_generate.bat says "Generating from nonce: 0" and it hasn't changed since last night. Please someone clarify this for me. errors highlighted C:\Windows\SysWOW64\java -Xmx1000m -cp pocminer.jar;lib/*;lib/akka/*;lib/jetty/* pocminer.POCMiner generate accountnumberhere (numeric account number 0 108000000 0(1000) 4 you need to enter your acc number as in bold here java -Xmx7500m -cp pocminer.jar;lib/*;lib/akka/*;lib/jetty/* pocminer.POCMiner generate [b]10976174530077743023[/b] 0 1000000 7500 7 and i think the second 0 needs to be 1000 like the first xmx as you can see in my code I have my account number entered. I just didn't know if it was safe or not to post. C:\Windows\SysWOW64\java -Xmx1000m -cp pocminer.jar;lib/*;lib/akka/*;lib/jetty/* pocminer.POCMiner generate accountnumberhere 0 108000000 0 4 That number nonces I bold and underlined is too large of a nonce, that is for a 27TB capacity and you have a 2.7TB capacity. I don't know if you read my previous response at all.....Also, you have a stagger size of zero, the number following the number nonces. Try 1000 or up to 4191.
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September 05, 2014, 10:50:39 PM |
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if i get part way through plotting my hdd so say for e.g i get to plot 800000 from 0 then i stop it generating and start another plot later from 800001 will the miner use both of the plots or just one?
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coinits
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September 05, 2014, 10:52:17 PM |
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if i get part way through plotting my hdd so say for e.g i get to plot 800000 from 0 then i stop it generating and start another plot later from 800001 will the miner use both of the plots or just one?
According the FAQ that they were attempting to put up the answer is yes it will use both. I can't find the link to it now but someone was trolling it anyway.
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Jump you fuckers! | The thing about smart motherfuckers is they sound like crazy motherfuckers to dumb motherfuckers. | My sig space for rent for 0.01 btc per week.
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mmmaybe
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September 05, 2014, 10:54:56 PM Last edit: September 05, 2014, 11:18:07 PM by mmmaybe |
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Thanks a lot, thats seems like something we can use for this Hopefully the community can help out Atm I'm writing by clicking a mouse, but will get a new keyboard tomorrow. I'll will also scan the present topic for the questions asked and answers already given and paste them there. Organising we could do later. Internationalism is great - spred BURST around the globe! - but why all the foreign language in our work on a FAQ thread ( http://piratepad.net/NIfJdj30We )? Please make a seperate piratepad thread with your translation and restore the present one to English....
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