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November 02, 2012, 11:09:12 AM
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Actually. I just realized I'm stupid. That was a separate thing that I did end up losing my bitcoins. Sorry about the mix up.

I can see how someone could easily get Gamma Malinvestment Fund and BitconMax mixed up. 

Giving bitcoins to either one resulted in a total loss.   Cheesy
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Not sure if to feel offended to just look down at you for your less then intelligent comment.
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November 02, 2012, 02:26:59 PM
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Just to clarify, I was genuinely an idiot and for some reason was mixed up about where I put my bitcoins. I wasn't drawing any comparisons, and I am glad that you're going to act to get what coins you can back to us.

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November 02, 2012, 02:38:50 PM
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Just to clarify, I was genuinely an idiot and for some reason was mixed up about where I put my bitcoins. I wasn't drawing any comparisons, and I am glad that you're going to act to get what coins you can back to us.
haha it's fine Tongue
Well at the moment things is starting to look a bit dire, James has not responded to anyone for several days ( from what I can patch together by the forum posts), which is making me a bit nervous if we are ever going to see the light of the GLBSE documents.
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November 02, 2012, 03:52:48 PM
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Just to clarify, I was genuinely an idiot and for some reason was mixed up about where I put my bitcoins. I wasn't drawing any comparisons, and I am glad that you're going to act to get what coins you can back to us.
haha it's fine Tongue
Well at the moment things is starting to look a bit dire, James has not responded to anyone for several days ( from what I can patch together by the forum posts), which is making me a bit nervous if we are ever going to see the light of the GLBSE documents.
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Wow! Unbelievable! It would still be nice to divide those 400 coins up though. Everyone's vote should not be equal, the votes should be based on the percent of the fund they hold Smiley Hope all is well in Sweden!

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November 02, 2012, 03:57:22 PM
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Just to clarify, I was genuinely an idiot and for some reason was mixed up about where I put my bitcoins. I wasn't drawing any comparisons, and I am glad that you're going to act to get what coins you can back to us.
haha it's fine Tongue
Well at the moment things is starting to look a bit dire, James has not responded to anyone for several days ( from what I can patch together by the forum posts), which is making me a bit nervous if we are ever going to see the light of the GLBSE documents.
//DeaDTerra

Wow! Unbelievable! It would still be nice to divide those 400 coins up though. Everyone's vote should not be equal, the votes should be based on the percent of the fund they hold Smiley Hope all is well in Sweden!
Cancel that Tongue
I just talked to James!
He had run out of credits on his phone ^^ that's why he couldn't call me.
I didn't learn that much but my update can be found here:
Disclaimer, I am not here to fight about anything, I am not here to tell you what's wrong or what's right or get into any argument. I am done with that. I am here to share what I have been told by Nefario. If you want to listen, listen if not, I won't force you.

This is the situation described to me by Nefario.
Right now about 50% of the double payments has been sent back.
The script for the payout is still broken and James is working to fix it, so that it doesn't send any more double spendings and so that it takes the double spendings into account.
Nefario, is suggesting that if the double spendings are not returned then your account info will not be included in the asset information/list until the payment is sent back.
He could not give me a ETA but it seems like once the script for the payment is fully function, the rest of the payments should follow shortly.

note:(I am not sure of the actual system of asset claim, if it will be a code system similar to the one Goat was given or if it will be a list of information)

I will answer any questions that I feel like and I will ignore the rest.
//DeaDTerra

Once we decide to pay out the payouts will indeed be proportional, as for the voting it seems like a majority isn't really following this thread so closely. So I decided to wait until the general opinion was clearer.
All is good in Sweden, a bit sleep deprived from the travel home but otherwise I am all good Cheesy thanks for asking.
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November 13, 2012, 04:46:35 AM
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Just to clarify, I was genuinely an idiot and for some reason was mixed up about where I put my bitcoins. I wasn't drawing any comparisons, and I am glad that you're going to act to get what coins you can back to us.
haha it's fine Tongue
Well at the moment things is starting to look a bit dire, James has not responded to anyone for several days ( from what I can patch together by the forum posts), which is making me a bit nervous if we are ever going to see the light of the GLBSE documents.
//DeaDTerra

Wow! Unbelievable! It would still be nice to divide those 400 coins up though. Everyone's vote should not be equal, the votes should be based on the percent of the fund they hold Smiley Hope all is well in Sweden!
Cancel that Tongue
I just talked to James!
He had run out of credits on his phone ^^ that's why he couldn't call me.
I didn't learn that much but my update can be found here:
Disclaimer, I am not here to fight about anything, I am not here to tell you what's wrong or what's right or get into any argument. I am done with that. I am here to share what I have been told by Nefario. If you want to listen, listen if not, I won't force you.

This is the situation described to me by Nefario.
Right now about 50% of the double payments has been sent back.
The script for the payout is still broken and James is working to fix it, so that it doesn't send any more double spendings and so that it takes the double spendings into account.
Nefario, is suggesting that if the double spendings are not returned then your account info will not be included in the asset information/list until the payment is sent back.
He could not give me a ETA but it seems like once the script for the payment is fully function, the rest of the payments should follow shortly.

note:(I am not sure of the actual system of asset claim, if it will be a code system similar to the one Goat was given or if it will be a list of information)

I will answer any questions that I feel like and I will ignore the rest.
//DeaDTerra

Once we decide to pay out the payouts will indeed be proportional, as for the voting it seems like a majority isn't really following this thread so closely. So I decided to wait until the general opinion was clearer.
All is good in Sweden, a bit sleep deprived from the travel home but otherwise I am all good Cheesy thanks for asking.
//DeaDTerra

Any word on this? It has now been 42 days since the fund was closed. Have those 400 coins made a profit or are they in limbo? I would like for them to be paid out. Does anyone object?

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November 13, 2012, 05:44:07 AM
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Any word on this? It has now been 42 days since the fund was closed. Have those 400 coins made a profit or are they in limbo? I would like for them to be paid out. Does anyone object?

Those 400 coins won't go very far.  We might get back 0.5% of the coins sent to this malinvestment fund.

I prefer to be paid back in non-trivial amounts, but it's almost certainly a better idea to get our few remaining coins out of any further scams/malinvestments/oopsies/fiascos ASAP.

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November 13, 2012, 07:48:24 AM
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I agree with the idea of some repayment, however small.

But, one member on the German mybitcointrade thread claims he has been partly paid out by Ziggy today,

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=37320.msg1332362#msg1332362

and I have received the following email from Ziggy:

"repaimend begins in the next 14 days. sorry for the delay"

Maybe a little bit more is coming back into GBF soon?

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November 13, 2012, 03:00:58 PM
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Just to clarify, I was genuinely an idiot and for some reason was mixed up about where I put my bitcoins. I wasn't drawing any comparisons, and I am glad that you're going to act to get what coins you can back to us.
haha it's fine Tongue
Well at the moment things is starting to look a bit dire, James has not responded to anyone for several days ( from what I can patch together by the forum posts), which is making me a bit nervous if we are ever going to see the light of the GLBSE documents.
//DeaDTerra

Wow! Unbelievable! It would still be nice to divide those 400 coins up though. Everyone's vote should not be equal, the votes should be based on the percent of the fund they hold Smiley Hope all is well in Sweden!
Cancel that Tongue
I just talked to James!
He had run out of credits on his phone ^^ that's why he couldn't call me.
I didn't learn that much but my update can be found here:
Disclaimer, I am not here to fight about anything, I am not here to tell you what's wrong or what's right or get into any argument. I am done with that. I am here to share what I have been told by Nefario. If you want to listen, listen if not, I won't force you.

This is the situation described to me by Nefario.
Right now about 50% of the double payments has been sent back.
The script for the payout is still broken and James is working to fix it, so that it doesn't send any more double spendings and so that it takes the double spendings into account.
Nefario, is suggesting that if the double spendings are not returned then your account info will not be included in the asset information/list until the payment is sent back.
He could not give me a ETA but it seems like once the script for the payment is fully function, the rest of the payments should follow shortly.

note:(I am not sure of the actual system of asset claim, if it will be a code system similar to the one Goat was given or if it will be a list of information)

I will answer any questions that I feel like and I will ignore the rest.
//DeaDTerra

Once we decide to pay out the payouts will indeed be proportional, as for the voting it seems like a majority isn't really following this thread so closely. So I decided to wait until the general opinion was clearer.
All is good in Sweden, a bit sleep deprived from the travel home but otherwise I am all good Cheesy thanks for asking.
//DeaDTerra

Any word on this? It has now been 42 days since the fund was closed. Have those 400 coins made a profit or are they in limbo? I would like for them to be paid out. Does anyone object?
I have yet to hear a clear opinions if you guys wish to have the coins paid out. Another alternative is to pay out 50% and keep 50% in the bot?
That would be the best compromise according to me.
//DeaDTerra
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November 13, 2012, 03:09:28 PM
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Any word on this? It has now been 42 days since the fund was closed. Have those 400 coins made a profit or are they in limbo? I would like for them to be paid out. Does anyone object?
I have yet to hear a clear opinions if you guys wish to have the coins paid out. Another alternative is to pay out 50% and keep 50% in the bot?
That would be the best compromise according to me.
//DeaDTerra

I think we could form a clear opinion if we had some info on current profits coming from the bot. If there's no money to be made in arbitrage right now then the coins might as well be paid out.

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November 13, 2012, 04:01:29 PM
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Any word on this? It has now been 42 days since the fund was closed. Have those 400 coins made a profit or are they in limbo? I would like for them to be paid out. Does anyone object?

Those 400 coins won't go very far.  We might get back 0.5% of the coins sent to this malinvestment fund.

I prefer to be paid back in non-trivial amounts, but it's almost certainly a better idea to get our few remaining coins out of any further scams/malinvestments/oopsies/fiascos ASAP.

At least it's something. After what happened I am worried about the value going down even more and I would like to clear up any loose ends before this year is over (that is, try to get my Bitcoin back from other people who are holding them... only DT and some GLBSE shares).

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November 13, 2012, 04:16:02 PM
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Any word on this? It has now been 42 days since the fund was closed. Have those 400 coins made a profit or are they in limbo? I would like for them to be paid out. Does anyone object?
I have yet to hear a clear opinions if you guys wish to have the coins paid out. Another alternative is to pay out 50% and keep 50% in the bot?
That would be the best compromise according to me.
//DeaDTerra

I think we could form a clear opinion if we had some info on current profits coming from the bot. If there's no money to be made in arbitrage right now then the coins might as well be paid out.
Approximately 5 Bitcoins has been made since we started investing in the bots. 5 Bitcoins for about two weeks of 400 BTC investment.
I also want to add that the bot performance changes dramatically depending on several factors of the market, hence it's very hard to make a general assumption for the profit of the bot.
Right now I have 423,97 Bitcoins amd 347$ that belongs to the fund.
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November 13, 2012, 09:01:25 PM
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Sigh.  My monies...

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November 13, 2012, 09:09:36 PM
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Sigh.  My monies...

I got an idea.  How about we put it all on Satoshi Dice.  Just one bet.  I'm in if everyone else is in.
That sounds like a very bad idea as the odds are against us gaining on such a bet, that's gambling and it's a gamble when the odds are not even in your favor Tongue
I will do my best to find,claim and liquidate the asset that we have left, unfortunately this process will be a lot slower then originally thought due to the massive delays with GLBSE.
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November 13, 2012, 11:48:38 PM
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I'm very much in favour of paying out what little there is now.

The 450 or so left now would give everyone back around 6% of their "investment".

That's better than nothing when this unpredictable bot eats it or something.

Then I think any other money should be paid out as soon as it's recovered.

Can we please get some opinions in here and put an end to this sad farce?

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I have yet to hear a clear opinions if you guys wish to have the coins paid out. Another alternative is to pay out 50% and keep 50% in the bot?
That would be the best compromise according to me.
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My vote/suggestion would be to pay out as much as feasible, and to liquidate any remaining amounts as soon as possible and pay them out as well.

But, as said, just a suggestion/vote, and only if you are looking for one. Not trying to pressure you. Smiley

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November 14, 2012, 05:08:53 AM
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I'm very much in favour of paying out what little there is now.

The 450 or so left now would give everyone back around 6% of their "investment".

That's better than nothing when this unpredictable bot eats it or something.

Then I think any other money should be paid out as soon as it's recovered.

Can we please get some opinions in here and put an end to this sad farce?

Agreed, I would like to be paid out ASAP. My friend who is has a decent sum invested agreed with me - he is busy with school or would post here as well. I can probably get him to email DT directly. (Writing him now so he can confirm this through a private email)

Since so many people are quiet -- is there anyone who really wants us to keep waiting more months and months? Aside from the one guy who wants to bet it all on Satoshi Dice - I would rather do that honestly than keep waiting Cheesy Although I am sure he said it tongue in cheek ;P Then again, who knows!

Edit: I added a poll here, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124180.0

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November 14, 2012, 06:58:09 AM
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DeadTerra,

When are you going to follow through on your promise to release the scammer (Ziggi/Crazy) passport and ID scans?

For what reason has that action been delayed thus far?

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Bitcoin is intentionally designed to be ungovernable and governance-free.  luke-jr 2016
Blocks must necessarily be full for the Bitcoin network to be able to pay for its own security.  davout 2015
Blocksize is an intentionally limited resource, like the 21e6 BTC limit.  Changing it degrades the surrounding economics, creating negative incentives.  Jeff Garzik 2013


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I'm not against people making money, but can't support questionable origins."
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It is an Engineering Requirement that Bitcoin be “Above the Law”  Paul Sztorc 2015
Resiliency, not efficiency, is the paramount goal of decentralized, non-state sanctioned currency -Jon Matonis 2015

Bitcoin is intentionally designed to be ungovernable and governance-free.  luke-jr 2016

Technology tends to move in the direction of making surveillance easier, and the ability of computers to track us doubles every eighteen months. - Phil Zimmerman 2013

The only way to make software secure, reliable, and fast is to make it small. Fight Features. - Andy Tanenbaum 2004

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November 14, 2012, 07:19:11 AM
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DeadTerra,

When are you going to follow through on your promise to release the scammer (Ziggi/Crazy) passport and ID scans?

For what reason has that action been delayed thus far?
This information has already been released, please do you research before you open you mouth thanks Smiley
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I'm very much in favour of paying out what little there is now.

The 450 or so left now would give everyone back around 6% of their "investment".

That's better than nothing when this unpredictable bot eats it or something.

Then I think any other money should be paid out as soon as it's recovered.

Can we please get some opinions in here and put an end to this sad farce?

Agreed, I would like to be paid out ASAP. My friend who is has a decent sum invested agreed with me - he is busy with school or would post here as well. I can probably get him to email DT directly. (Writing him now so he can confirm this through a private email)

Since so many people are quiet -- is there anyone who really wants us to keep waiting more months and months? Aside from the one guy who wants to bet it all on Satoshi Dice - I would rather do that honestly than keep waiting Cheesy Although I am sure he said it tongue in cheek ;P Then again, who knows!

Edit: I added a poll here, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124180.0
I will honor whatever the poll results will be.
//DeaDTerra
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