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August 20, 2012, 11:04:10 AM
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I can safely say that deadterra paid me back.
Sorry about the delay Sad
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August 20, 2012, 11:24:52 AM
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I like the offer but do see a problem with the buffer.
I invested 50 BTC total and due to some bad luck with the fund I'm currently not in making any profit. Now if those shares would be on GLBSE this would mean even if we make profit now I wouldn't get a dividend for a long time. This sort of things will drive the price down of the asset on the market. So if I'm correct if I sell the shares the other person will buy over the depth I have towards the asset.
The price will be lower than the 'real' value, if you would offer to buyback shares on GLBSE for the real value at the time it would be an option.

Other option might be that you don't use GLBSE but just keep it as it is now. You can offer withdraw for no fee and these could take upto 2 weeks (this way you ensure you don't lose liquidity for the daytrading / current investors don't lose when ppl withdrawn.) Option 2 would be a 1-3% fee but you get your funds back within 2 days or something.

Just my 2 bitcents Wink

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August 20, 2012, 11:36:38 AM
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I like the offer but do see a problem with the buffer.
I invested 50 BTC total and due to some bad luck with the fund I'm currently not in making any profit. Now if those shares would be on GLBSE this would mean even if we make profit now I wouldn't get a dividend for a long time. This sort of things will drive the price down of the asset on the market. So if I'm correct if I sell the shares the other person will buy over the depth I have towards the asset.
The price will be lower than the 'real' value, if you would offer to buyback shares on GLBSE for the real value at the time it would be an option.

Other option might be that you don't use GLBSE but just keep it as it is now. You can offer withdraw for no fee and these could take upto 2 weeks (this way you ensure you don't lose liquidity for the daytrading / current investors don't lose when ppl withdrawn.) Option 2 would be a 1-3% fee but you get your funds back within 2 days or something.

Just my 2 bitcents Wink
The problem with not having a buffer is that then if the fund would produce negative numbers, the account balance would drop hence also the face value of the bond.
I would like to offer buyback at full value the problem is the same as offering instant withdraws it requires liquid Bitcoins which costs money and costs opportunity.

The problem right now is that I can't offer a good withdraw plan to the short term investors, and as someone pointed out holding someone elses assets against their will might be illegal Sad Which I would like to avoid. Hence I would like to split up the short term and long term investors into two different systems each that supports that investors needs.
I don't really want to take a fee on withdraw, plus it can be used. Say we have a 2% withdraw fee but the profit of that week is -3% then you can cheat the system by withdrawing before the profit calculations.

Thank you very much for you feedback Smiley
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August 20, 2012, 11:46:28 AM
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Good points. Keeping both investors split does indeed sound like a good idea.
Also would protect long term investors from the short term once Smiley

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August 20, 2012, 11:49:24 AM
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I'm very encouraged by the direction you are taking this.

Whatever pays me the highest rate, and leave the money with you for the longest commitment.

Put me in the "Gamma Gold Group" (and I think you should name it that, too)
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August 20, 2012, 11:58:48 AM
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Good points. Keeping both investors split does indeed sound like a good idea.
Also would protect long term investors from the short term once Smiley
Thank you I have spent a lot of time thinking off how to best solve our problems, but I could always be wrong or have a major flaw in my logic, that's why I like bouncing it with you guys first. Also because you have a say, it's your money Smiley

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I'm very encouraged by the direction you are taking this.

Whatever pays me the highest rate, and leave the money with you for the longest commitment.

Put me in the "Gamma Gold Group" (and I think you should name it that, too)

Thank you, I am trying to improve Gamma, so that we can give the best service to all our investors independent on their size of capital, or preference in time terms Smiley
This is not yet locked in stone I am going to ask some of my advisors (a group of people in skype that I usually check my ideas with to make sure they are solid).
If everyone agrees it's a good idea and the investors (you guys) agree, I will start working on the IPO Smiley

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August 20, 2012, 12:50:14 PM
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Investments all follow the same rules.
If it seems too good to be true, it’s a bad investment.
TANSTAAFL
Your mileage may vary
High return always equals high risk. A very tiny percentage of funds can go there.
You can’t beat the market unless you own the market.
Slow and steady wins the race and small steady gains become impressive over time.
Cut losses at 10%.
Take profits at 15% and re-balance portfolio
Re-balance portfolio on a regular basis (monthly)

I am a long term investor, but in my 3+ month with the GF, my losses are approaching 10%. The underlying BTC asset has increased in value since then, which mitigates my loss. But for me, if my investment in the GF crosses the 10% threshold in losses, I’m gonna take to the exits.

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August 20, 2012, 01:23:30 PM
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Investments all follow the same rules.
If it seems too good to be true, it’s a bad investment.
TANSTAAFL
Your mileage may vary
High return always equals high risk. A very tiny percentage of funds can go there.
You can’t beat the market unless you own the market.
Slow and steady wins the race and small steady gains become impressive over time.
Cut losses at 10%.
Take profits at 15% and re-balance portfolio
Re-balance portfolio on a regular basis (monthly)

I am a long term investor, but in my 3+ month with the GF, my losses are approaching 10%. The underlying BTC asset has increased in value since then, which mitigates my loss. But for me, if my investment in the GF crosses the 10% threshold in losses, I’m gonna take to the exits.

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Sad to hear that Sad
Oh well, best of luck with future investment and I am sorry for your loses :8
I will add you to the list of withdraws

Never mind.
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August 21, 2012, 06:55:32 AM
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I have launched yet another Gamma project, this time it's a pass through to MPex for the share SatoshiDICE
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=102181.0
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August 24, 2012, 04:37:03 AM
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Hi Gamma!

Hope you are doing well Smiley Just wanted to check if any of the fund was invested in pirate (directly or indirectly).

Thanks!

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August 25, 2012, 05:08:33 PM
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If you have sent me a message or a email, you will have it answered soon Smiley
I have been very busy with the new IPO and such.
I am going to go through all the messages and emails, then go onto GBF investments and the log book!

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August 25, 2012, 06:26:34 PM
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I have written a draft on the infrastructure changes!
It's important that all investors read this and give me feedback on it, everyone will be effected.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kcWMLOT7j7wLutz5mcUCcb69mzP2DQjXk93vUhpatnI/edit?pli=1
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August 25, 2012, 06:27:30 PM
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Do you have a link to the draft?

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August 25, 2012, 06:31:00 PM
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Do you have a link to the draft?
Hahah sorry about that xD. It's up Smiley
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August 25, 2012, 06:53:00 PM
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Please give me some feedback regarding the infeastructure changes Smiley
What's good, what's bad?

On another note, if anyone on the withdraw list would accept shares instead of liquid BTC contact me.
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August 25, 2012, 07:06:06 PM
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Please give me some feedback regarding the infeastructure changes Smiley
What's good, what's bad?

On another note, if anyone on the withdraw list would accept shares instead of liquid BTC contact me.
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Hi, I think this is a nice change, but how will you keep track on the long term and short term investors?

I think I will be a long term investor when/if this changes take effect.

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August 25, 2012, 07:26:27 PM
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Please give me some feedback regarding the infeastructure changes Smiley
What's good, what's bad?

On another note, if anyone on the withdraw list would accept shares instead of liquid BTC contact me.
//DeaDTerra

Hi, I think this is a nice change, but how will you keep track on the long term and short term investors?

I think I will be a long term investor when/if this changes take effect.
Hello
The short term will trade their balance for GLBSE shares.
Hence they will have no personal account with GBF.
If you want a account you must be a long term investor.
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August 25, 2012, 07:31:18 PM
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Hi!

These sound like good options.

Will it be possible to split current investment- for example 50% long term, and 50% short term?

Or will it be all or nothing one way or the other?

Thanks.

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August 25, 2012, 07:33:15 PM
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Hi!

These sound like good options.

Will it be possible to split current investment- for example 50% long term, and 50% short term?

Or will it be all or nothing one way or the other?

Thanks.
You can split, you simply buy shares and open a account with me.
Though I will not have any conversion back of forth as it's a big waste of my time.
I want the new system to be more efficient then the current one so I can focus on investing instead of management.
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August 26, 2012, 08:23:34 AM
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Thanks for all the positive feedback from all off you Smiley
Though I don't need your decision just yet. We will probably switch to the new system next week, then you can email/pm me with your decision and we  will set it up Smiley
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