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February 17, 2018, 02:56:34 PM
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Anyway, I guess this rise is caused by the MoneroV (scam) fork?  Why is everybody so excited?  It's obviously gonna crash after the airdrop/fork/split or whatever.

What is under 0.035 is nothing to get excited.  That si Monero ATH from August 2017. So quite long ago. Maybe you are right and this fork might bring us new ATH.  History teaches us that Monero usually make x3 leg up.  That would bring us close to 0.1  and that is already something.

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February 17, 2018, 03:40:07 PM
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We can all agree and use some 10% gain I am really really sure https://www.coingecko.com/en/price_charts/monero/usd

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February 17, 2018, 04:42:57 PM
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There is almost no doubt that Monero's price will increase. Of course not investment advice. But I believe that XMR is a strong project. I think it was a project that could be invested much earlier.
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February 17, 2018, 06:16:20 PM
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There is almost no doubt that Monero's price will increase. Of course not investment advice. But I believe that XMR is a strong project. I think it was a project that could be invested much earlier.


I don't think that's a likely scenario.
The MoneroV fork will break Monero's single selling point, solid privacy.
If it can no longer offer that, its value vaporizes into thin air.
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February 17, 2018, 07:05:53 PM
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I trust XMR. It is not possible to live a very big uneasiness. It's the main project of the market. The price came back to the appropriate level for purchase. The exact order to turn a crisis into a fright. (It is not an investment advice.)
I agree with you, my friend. I was thinking about buying it. I read the last comment. it really shows that this year's privacy projects will be important.
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February 17, 2018, 07:08:14 PM
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There is almost no doubt that Monero's price will increase. Of course not investment advice. But I believe that XMR is a strong project. I think it was a project that could be invested much earlier.


I don't think that's a likely scenario.
The MoneroV fork will break Monero's single selling point, solid privacy.
If it can no longer offer that, its value vaporizes into thin air.

You know, it's funny how you think that this is just Monero's problem.  This is going to be a problem for any cryptocurrency.  Monero is by far the most private/fungible cryptocurrency so far with the most investment in research.  They are advancing the fundamentals of their code, with proficient people in academia who can look through the code at Monero Research Lab... so lets just say that Monero is representing cryptocurrencies in general (or better yet, what they should be doing... obfuscating the transfer and store of wealth in a fungible P2P manner.

If this is something that devs and MRL can't figure out how to handle (which I don't think will be the case); then this is a sad situation for everyone who believes in the value of cryptocurrencies in general.

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February 17, 2018, 07:29:14 PM
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There is almost no doubt that Monero's price will increase. Of course not investment advice. But I believe that XMR is a strong project. I think it was a project that could be invested much earlier.


I don't think that's a likely scenario.
The MoneroV fork will break Monero's single selling point, solid privacy.
If it can no longer offer that, its value vaporizes into thin air.

Do you really believe of the millions of historic addresses they can get  enough to de secure the chain with a few airdrop users who flip over.

Unless its a totally viable coin and the majority flip over its irrelevant. If they do it maybe becomes monero. 

What will be, will be,

I'm holding where I think I need to be.



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February 17, 2018, 07:39:19 PM
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Thanks for your replies guys!


If you get how the zerocoin protocol works you will see how easy it is to have privacy. It's possible to keep all your coins untraceable on pivx, by keeping them on the zpiv form, however you can't stake this way.

And once they come from the zpiv accumlator, what can you say about the origin or destination of those pivx? nothing.

Wink.

And this statement just proves that they are not Fungable and can never be.

/answering shill mode off

I feel like the goal of trying to cast the widest net for suckers users has many treating privacy as a feature, rather than a function. Until their goal is fungibility and creating the largest anonymity set, they will continue to stare at Monero's design in dumb awe. They neither understand that Monero's user base demands best in class privacy or how to attain best in class privacy--to them marketing and better-than-Bitcoin's-privacy are enough.


that's exactly my question, why is monero better than pivx from a privacy point of view?

And yes I think it's a very relevant topic for the monero speculation thread. If pivx tech is better...

Read the bolded as it applies to optional privacy--I said this before and can only repeat it so many times--if you don't understand, that's not my problem. Also, if you want technological analysis, I suggest you ask in the monero ann thread or on reddit or on irc--this is a Monero speculation thread, not a development thread. It's obvious that you are using it to shill pivx. It's off topic, annoying and obvious. Please ask technical questions on a technical thread.

Look I'll even link you a great place to find out all the reasons pivx is inferior: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero

I am not shilling anything, it's not my fault if with pivx I can anonymized 5000 pivx in one go for 0.01 fee. I am asking myself how can monero be competitive when I can transfer pivx most of the time for free and faster... It just that as if I believe pivx is better sooner or later the value will move from monero to pivx.

I guess all are clinging to the vega induced hashrate increase... but if all cryptonight coins are as expansive (like etn) there is no chance for them to be able to compete with pivx.

The sooner monero (cryptonight) holders get it, the faster the prices may move...

It's about speculation right?


LUL

PivX has a rich list for fuck sake.

http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/PIVX/richlist.php

My greatest fear is that the market and genpop never wake up to the intellectual reality that most coins are fucking nonsense.

Where Verge and PivX fans will vehemently argue they have greater privacy whilst simultaneously being a click away from a fucking list of the COMPLETE DISTRIBUTION of their coin, with ALL BALANCES on show.

fuck. me.

It's the staker list... the bigger the stake the faster the rewards from pos. but if those stake were anonymized before being deployed you can't know where they came from.

This complete distrubution is what makes the chain integrity verification possible. At all time you can know how many coins are in existence while not knowing their origins or destination when zpived.

Cheesy.

that's exactly my question, why is monero better than pivx from a privacy point of view?
And yes I think it's a very relevant topic for the monero speculation thread. If pivx tech is better...

https://moneroforcash.com/monero-vs-dash-vs-zcash-vs-bitcoinmixers.php#dash-pivx

Additionally, add-on or optional privacy can never be as private as protocol-level mandatory privacy (Monero).

Others have already pointed out the PIVX rich list.

unless the cost of privacy makes the all things unusable for new comers... that was my all point all along. Monero fees are too expansive.

Don't forget than pivx zerocoin protocol makes a pool of all pivx converted to zpiv... more and more are using it.
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February 17, 2018, 08:19:13 PM
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They claim that their coins were stolen. The same way I could claim they are lying about this to FUD monero. They can't prove I am wrong and I can't prove they are wrong.

I haven't heard from any credible member who got his coins stolen from mymonero. Most often rather new accounts are claiming their monero got stolen.
What if a few trusted members of the community went fishing? We could all put small amounts of monero on the web wallet and see if we could get anyone reliable to confirm the thefts. Any other legendaries who are long time veterans of this thread interested?

MyMonero is for profit unless they pay let them do their own job just like they let Jaxx. I'm not sure why so many people protect that site as if it is the project itself. I know of a few attack vectors that are likely being used (and are not on the client side) and I'm pretty sure I know exactly whats going on atm but meh I could care. I don't like the way it's been handled over the years and don't recommend using it.



I can't remember what it was you warned about. Are you talking about the theory that cloudfare could be responsible for the thefts? Seems like there was a short discussion about this possibility at reddit a couple of weeks ago -
 https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/7tc3za/a_theory_regarding_the_randomly_reported_thefts/

No, I doubt that very much.
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I went through past posts about the thefts and you are indeed right, there were some credible members who got a lot of money stolen from their mymonero wallet.

Maybe closing down mymonero wouldn't be a bad idea at this point in time? If I remember correctly, Fluffy already suggested to do this in the past, but some people were against it. But now we have more options for storage and with the impending release of the "official" android/iOs/hardware wallets, mymonero wont be needed anymore (IMO).


I have no desire to repeat myself. I have pointed things in the past that never receive acknowledgement and I am tired and frustrated at the way this community has moved. I see practically no community support here accept for the old guard that still hangs around and on reddit I see posts supported by Devs that claim the coin community started there and this place doesn't exist. There is a rewriting of the past going on and it is not being corrected over there. I see publications that are inaccurate that I contact for corrections that the Dev fund is paying and they refuse to even respond to me. So yeah I've I've said for a while now Fuck Reddit. Everyone here I care about knows not to trust that site and that is all I care about.

Let all Webwallets die. BTW talk of the Webwallet Hacks should be in the main thread.


BTC should see strong resistance at 10kUSD, which seems like a good time for XMRBTC to rise, since XMRUSD has no correlated psychological line.

Playing out this way...

So far, but .03 xmrbtc has been a strong resistance level, with only short, false breakouts.  Once again, into the fray!  With BTC 10k, that means xmr 300 is an emerging psychological line.  Pop that and we should rise steadily to 400 again.

True Dat

I'm so pissed at Binance that I couldn't get some back when I was waiting for that entry spot for over a month.

Monero is dead as we know it. Game theory suggests that when free money is available to users as a result of airdrops, it would be illogical for them not to claim it. Due to the losses in ring signature privacy as a result of this, who in their right might would be willing to conduct sensitive transactions with such an inherently flawed cryptocurrency?
Let the bulls out. Smiley





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I trust XMR. It is not possible to live a very big uneasiness. It's the main project of the market. The price came back to the appropriate level for purchase. The exact order to turn a crisis into a fright. (It is not an investment advice.)

Can you fuck off now? Or  maybe write your own posts, and use English please.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=753252.36860
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February 17, 2018, 09:27:52 PM
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I trust XMR. It is not possible to live a very big uneasiness. It's the main project of the market. The price came back to the appropriate level for purchase. The exact order to turn a crisis into a fright. (It is not an investment advice.)

Can you fuck off now? Or  maybe write your own posts, and use English please.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=753252.36860

Cheesy Hahahaha. Oman that's great. What a lazy bot programmer. Cant even come up with unique garbage. It has to steal garbage from someone who wrote a garbage producing algorithm. It's meta stupid.

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February 17, 2018, 10:14:27 PM
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Monero-Zec-Dash I believe these three projects will reach much better prices in the future. These projects existed when I met this market. I see it as old and solid.

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Monero-Zec-Dash I believe these three projects will reach much better prices in the future. These projects existed when I met this market. I see it as old and solid.

Perhaps you need to dig...  Deeper...
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I see three possible reasons (or non-reasons) for the recent Monero performance:

  • 1. The recent rise in Monero is unrelated to MoneroV
  • 2. Monero traders overestimate the number of people who will claim their MoneroV, and/or overestimate MoneroV's value
  • 3. Monero traders are correctly estimating that a relatively large number of users will want to claim or buy MoneroV

It seems to me that the MoneroV launch will be a nonevent. They're less than a month from launch, have gained very little traction, and have provoked the ire of the Monero community. Judging by their reddit, twitter, and bitcointalk announcement thread, they have no community. Most people in the greater cryptocurrency community have never even heard of MoneroV.
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I see three possible reasons (or non-reasons) for the recent Monero performance:

  • 1. The recent rise in Monero is unrelated to MoneroV
  • 2. Monero traders overestimate the number of people who will claim their MoneroV, and/or overestimate MoneroV's value
  • 3. Monero traders are correctly estimating that a relatively large number of users will want to claim or buy MoneroV

It seems to me that the MoneroV launch will be a nonevent. They're less than a month from launch, have gained very little traction, and have provoked the ire of the Monero community. Judging by their reddit, twitter, and bitcointalk announcement thread, they have no community. Most people in the greater cryptocurrency community have never even heard of MoneroV.

Well anyone who looks at it can see that it is nothing but a cash grab.  I mean, devolving the tech, and cutting a premine larger than the entire issuance of XMR  LOL  What more can you really say about it?  Bitcoin Super Extra Diamond Coin!  Get yours now!
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February 18, 2018, 12:43:56 AM
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I see three possible reasons (or non-reasons) for the recent Monero performance:

  • 1. The recent rise in Monero is unrelated to MoneroV
  • 2. Monero traders overestimate the number of people who will claim their MoneroV, and/or overestimate MoneroV's value
  • 3. Monero traders are correctly estimating that a relatively large number of users will want to claim or buy MoneroV

It seems to me that the MoneroV launch will be a nonevent. They're less than a month from launch, have gained very little traction, and have provoked the ire of the Monero community. Judging by their reddit, twitter, and bitcointalk announcement thread, they have no community. Most people in the greater cryptocurrency community have never even heard of MoneroV.

So far altho Monero gained in USD and tiny a bit in BTC, it di dnto do anything different then other top50 coins. Nothing totally similar just like last 2 years.  It is possible this fork brings some more attention to Monero. Or not. I believe not till few day ago, now see that some believe it could.    But what is happening so far is nothing. Altho ofcourse last raises are nice. But that's just from positivity in general cryptosphere.

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February 18, 2018, 02:08:08 AM
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Monero-Zec-Dash I believe these three projects will reach much better prices in the future. These projects existed when I met this market. I see it as old and solid.

Perhaps you need to dig...  Deeper...

Dash has airplane ad,  Zcash has Snowden's support, while monero has moneroV  Smiley

am i correct Huh

"...I suspect we need a better incentive for users to run nodes instead of relying solely on altruism...",  satoshi@vistomail.com
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February 18, 2018, 03:44:14 AM
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Monero-Zec-Dash I believe these three projects will reach much better prices in the future. These projects existed when I met this market. I see it as old and solid.

Perhaps you need to dig...  Deeper...
Dash has airplane ad,  Zcash has Snowden's support, while monero has moneroV  Smiley

am i correct Huh
Monero has truth. Some might argue that that isn't worth anything. They might be right. Maybe I just need to get with the times. I hope not.

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If one can not confer upon another a right which he does not himself first possess, by what means does the state derive the right to engage in behaviors from which the public is prohibited?
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February 18, 2018, 04:31:19 AM
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Monero-Zec-Dash I believe these three projects will reach much better prices in the future. These projects existed when I met this market. I see it as old and solid.

Perhaps you need to dig...  Deeper...
Dash has airplane ad,  Zcash has Snowden's support, while monero has moneroV  Smiley

am i correct Huh
Monero has truth. Some might argue that that isn't worth anything. They might be right. Maybe I just need to get with the times. I hope not.
Truth and privacy.  But we've fed the troll enough for now.  Back to sleep he goes  Wink
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February 18, 2018, 07:53:32 AM
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Monero-Zec-Dash I believe these three projects will reach much better prices in the future. These projects existed when I met this market. I see it as old and solid.

Perhaps you need to dig...  Deeper...

Dash has airplane ad,  Zcash has Snowden's support, while monero has moneroV  Smiley

am i correct Huh

we could easily fund any type of ad, we could bribe Snowden or Assange but why should we with a product that speaks for itself?

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