Re: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s

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[goozman96]

Black Arrow, I PMed you, waiting for a reply.
In addition, you mentioned that you would allow PayPal when it has gotten closer to shipment time. If you do intend on making your end of February goal, then you are within the 90 PayPal limit. So, a PayPal payment option should be available now, right?

[goozman96]

Black Arrow, I PMed you, waiting for a reply.
In addition, you mentioned that you would allow PayPal when it has gotten closer to shipment time. If you do intend on making your end of February goal, then you are within the 90 PayPal limit. So, a PayPal payment option should be available now, right?

PayPal refund window is 45 days for you to file a claim + 20 days for the seller to resolver the dispute.

paypal wont allow payment's that cannot be delivered before 30 days, so I guess no Paypal yet.

This is what Blackarrow said previously:

"After consulting with one of our prospective resellers, who have had more interaction with PayPal than we have, we understood that PayPal’s business model does not fit very well with pre-orders. Because our delivery date is over Paypal’s 90 days delivery threshold, we risk having our PayPal account blocked with all customers’ money in it. If such a thing were to happen this might cause huge delays in deliveries and we want to avoid this at all costs.

Our merchant account with PayPal is currently working but we have decided to suspend all future PayPal transactions for items that are not in stock (pre-orders). We have contacted and are currently talking with PayPal to ensure that they understand our pre-sales agreement and to obtain the guarantee that everything is ok, all security checks are done and our account will remain open.

We will reactivate PayPal payments as soon as we get PayPal’s approval in writing or as soon as we will be able to meet 90 days delivery condition, which means closer to the release date of the Product."

Bolded for emphasis.

[goozman96]

Since BA hasn't responded to my PM yet and he's been online multiple times since I sent it, I'm gonna post it here and hopefully get a reply from others who may know:

Is there a return policy/cancellation policy during the pre-order period? Like if someone changes their mind and wants their money back before the items have shipped, is that possible?
Also, what happens if the February 24, 2014 goal is not met? Will buyers be compensated? I'm sure everyone is familiar with the Butterfly Labs debacle so I want to protect against that.

In addition, this is for the US reseller:
What conversion do you use for converting USD to BTC? Currently, Mt Gox's price is $1150 per BTC.

[goozman96]

Since BA hasn't responded to my PM yet and he's been online multiple times since I sent it, I'm gonna post it here and hopefully get a reply from others who may know:

Is there a return policy/cancellation policy during the pre-order period? Like if someone changes their mind and wants their money back before the items have shipped, is that possible?
Also, what happens if the February 24, 2014 goal is not met? Will buyers be compensated? I'm sure everyone is familiar with the Butterfly Labs debacle so I want to protect against that.

In addition, this is for the US reseller:
What conversion do you use for converting USD to BTC? Currently, Mt Gox's price is $1150 per BTC.

I cant answer on the refunds for them, but as for USB>BTC, I use:
https://bitcoinaverage.com/#USD

Oh, you're the US reseller? I had sent you two emails but you never replied. Thanks for the response here though.
Do you offer cancellation of pre-orders or no? And what about late shipments?

[goozman96]

My email has been swamped... as well as tickets. Good chance it got lost.
I will be offering as much of a refund policy as possible, If the order has not been sent off to BA yet, I offer 100% refunds. As far as late shipments, that is something that I will have to think about as we get closer to release date.

Well when would the order be sent off to BA after you receive the payment?
And I'd really like a good answer on the late shipment thing to help solidify my purchase.

[goozman96]

Also, what are the differences in the shipping options?
 Free Shipping $0.00
 Free Priority Mail Shipping $0.00
 USPS (Express Mail - Regular) $48.10

[goozman96]

Hello
I've ordered a prospero-x3 and received an email with a btc account for payment and 24 hours for that, but in his knowledge base blackarrow say:
"Payment & queue
Posted by Support Black Arrow on 18 November 2013 04:17 PM

All orders are shipped in the order of payment, not in the order that they have been placed. This means that by placing an order and not paying it you will not reserve your place in the shipment queue.

All orders have 15 days to arrange a payment for your order. After 15 days we will send a payment reminder which will give you 5 more days to the end of which your order will be cancelled."

I fear that the received email could not be legit and I will send my btc to other people.
Have someone previously paid in that way?
Thanks in advance,
Regards.

I think you are confusing BlackArrow with their US reseller.

[goozman96]

Hello
I've ordered a prospero-x3 and received an email with a btc account for payment and 24 hours for that, but in his knowledge base blackarrow say:
"Payment & queue
Posted by Support Black Arrow on 18 November 2013 04:17 PM

All orders are shipped in the order of payment, not in the order that they have been placed. This means that by placing an order and not paying it you will not reserve your place in the shipment queue.

All orders have 15 days to arrange a payment for your order. After 15 days we will send a payment reminder which will give you 5 more days to the end of which your order will be cancelled."

I fear that the received email could not be legit and I will send my btc to other people.
Have someone previously paid in that way?
Thanks in advance,
Regards.

I think you are confusing BlackArrow with their US reseller.

Yup.

As for their location etc... I have shipped and received large packages from that location, And I will be visiting their here in about 5 days.

Bob, I'm waiting for a reply to a PM I sent you yesterday (my 2nd attempt already)

[goozman96]

I feel obligated to post this here because bobsag3 has been responsive to all my PM except for when I asked this:


I'm wondering why there's no phone number listed in the terms and condition just prior to making a purchase. And any clarification about what this is:
CWI welcomes your questions or comments regarding the Terms:
 
Commonwealth Interpreting Services Ltd Co
2005 Mark Street
Flatwoods, Kentucky 41139

What relation does company for hearing impaired people have with miners?

[goozman96]

I feel obligated to post this here because bobsag3 has been responsive to all my PM except for when I asked this:


I'm wondering why there's no phone number listed in the terms and condition just prior to making a purchase. And any clarification about what this is:
CWI welcomes your questions or comments regarding the Terms:
 
Commonwealth Interpreting Services Ltd Co
2005 Mark Street
Flatwoods, Kentucky 41139

What relation does company for hearing impaired people have with miners?

Ive answered the question a ton of times, and frankly the 20 people who feel the need to email me about this every week gets irritating.

I purchased the website from a friend of mine, and am still transitioning the domain and all intectecual property to my company. This process takes time, especially when your a small man operation like us.

Okay, that's all I wanted. Your profile badge says to PM you again if you haven't replied in 24 hours and I had to do it 3 times plus post here reminding you to reply and then just finally post my question publicly. Trust is the most valuable thing to have right now.. So these things need to be addressed if you want people's trust.
But thank you for finally replying.

[goozman96]

Is the first batch still not sold out?
I haven't seen it mentioned here.

I asked the same, have yet to get an official response.

The first batch is not sold out yet. I've seen them mention that several times in a few different places. Until they post here that they are sold out, presume that they're still available.

[goozman96]

Im shocked people are endorsing these 3rd party payment systems WHEN WE HAVE BITCOIN. Just buy some BTC and send it, fast, no fee.

It is not as simple as that.  In the UK, it's hard to get bitcoins without trading privately though localbitcoins.org. The prices are typically very high. Demand outstrips supply significantly.

Seriously. And for any exchange site, you have to wait days to week, if not MONTHS to get your coins. Oh, and good luck finding a legitimate way to import USD so you can even buy your coins to begin with. And let's not forget exchanges (*ahem* Coinbase) cancelling people's purchases if the price fluctuates within a few days.

[goozman96]

ANd tell me again how I can buy less than 10 X1s or Less than 20 Minions?

By purchasing from the US reseller http://minersource.net/

[goozman96]

Hey BlackArrow/Bobsag3/Matt/whatever
will we have to worry about this:
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/366229-pre-hacked-electronics-come-straight-from-chinas-factories/

lol

[DebitMe]

so is my understanding correct that 10 x1s is the same as ONE X-3 ?

the prospero x1 shows minimum of 10 and the x-3 shows that you get 2 modules that are 10 each.

am I missing something?  why is the price so much different for the same hashing power ?

Nope, you would need 20 X1's to get the same hashrate as an X3 (as per specs)

X1 - 100MH/s
X3 - 2TH/s

COUGH 100 GH/s Cough

[goozman96]

My new minersource.net site is live! No more manual BTC processing, the site now generates the payment address and verify payment automatically.
All previous orders on the old site ARE NOT LOST. I will be migrating the database slowly of the next few days.

The https version is giving me an untrusted redirect.

[goozman96]

Ahem..

[DebitMe]

Just put an order in for 4 units, looks to be confirmed paid.

Unfortunately when I first heard that the Batch 1 was sold out I used my btc for something else, then it reopened so I am currently moving some funds around to try and get some more.

Thanks for your work Bobsag, you are a hero!

[goozman96]

Just placed a large order, but have received no payment instructions.
I'd like to confirm that the order I just placed will be in the February delivery batch, otherwise I'll just cancel and not pay.

Please confirm.

Thanks!

Buy through the re-seller or from blackarrow directly?

If Black Arrow, add the sales manager blackarrowsoftware   on skype . She is online now and offering sales support.

I was unaware of the "re-seller".  Where does bobsag ship out of?  If he ships from US, I'll cancel the original order I placed with BA and place with minersource.ne  .ne would seem to indicate Niger, but somehow I doubt that.

They are located in Missouri.