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June 08, 2012, 04:24:29 PM
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lol, you should have negotiated!!

It would have made for a much funnier conversation..

I bet you could have got him down to 10 or 20 btc if you really tried..

You should have started off with 2 satoshi's.. Wink
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June 08, 2012, 04:30:43 PM
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If you need A/C units, get ones designed for continuous datacenter usage. They can be had used and refurbished for excellent prices. Liebert makes some of the most efficient models available, if you get their newer CW models, since they use a set of VFDs for continuously variable cooling capacity. http://www.emersonnetworkpower.com/en-US/Products/PrecisionCooling/LargeRoomCooling/Pages/LiebertCWChilledWater-basedPrecisionCooling26-181kW.aspx

What I was looking at was for continuous operation, but I didn't see anything specifically for a datacenter.

Oh God, do want. But if I'm going to buy it, I'm going to buy brand new stuff. I'm weird like that.


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June 08, 2012, 04:47:24 PM
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Today is certainly a red letter day.

We have sold our 2000th share.

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June 08, 2012, 04:55:51 PM
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Of course, for a long term plan it makes all the sense in the world.

Liebert stuff is the gold standard for datacenter and telecoms, but it also happens to be the most expensive by a bit of a margin. Sad But there are certainly other options: from Trane, from Mitsubishi, and even from Siemens, although they would probably get Stuxnet'ed lol. Grin

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June 08, 2012, 05:14:08 PM
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Something to consider would be a modular approach through the standardized shipping container. You need three connections: power, connectivity, water(technically two, in/out). You can seal these units up so you won't have to cool an entire building. A 20' container has 19' by 8' by 8' of internal volume. Internally run a water to air heat exchanger, have a small network stack and treat each container like a mini datacenter.

In the end, if you were to achieve your $1m IPO, you'll still be looking at not even filling out one of these containers. Just putting 8 42U racks in to this container and filling all that capacity with FPGAs would easily blow through $1m. For giggles, if the BFL Mini-rig were a 4U unit costing $15k consuming 1.2 kW and generating 25 GH/s, that lets you put $150k of gear in a rack with 2U available for watchdog/switch. $900k gives you 6 racks with this stack leaving $100k for the container, power distribution, networking stack and heat exchanger. That generates 1.5 TH/s, sucks down down 72 kW of juice and another 7 kW of juice for cooling(COP of 10:1).

So yeah. When talking about datacenter stuff, $1m doesn't really buy a whole lot when 1 rack of gear costs $150k. This was 5 minutes of armchair thinking and it's already sounding like you have much larger plans in your mind than what is capable.

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June 08, 2012, 05:26:17 PM
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I've been debating posting this to this thread, but might as well, #DMC is publicly logged anyhow.

n0n00dzr4u is the deathbylolipop guy.

[11:33:35] --> n0n00dz4u (~n0n00dz4u@99-10-180-46.lightspeed.wepbfl.sbcglobal.net) has joined #dmc
[11:33:45] <n0n00dz4u> guess what
[11:33:49] <n0n00dz4u> releasing a vlog today
[11:33:56] <n0n00dz4u> discussing how much i hate this company
[11:34:06] <n0n00dz4u> and how you placed an order for 100 btc at .50 each
[11:34:10] <tsukino> oh are you that guy with the death by lollipop stuff
[11:34:12] <n0n00dz4u> you are trying to drag the btc down
[11:34:17] <n0n00dz4u> go fuck yourself
[11:34:19] <Diablo-D3> n0n00dz4u: who did what?
[11:34:19] <n0n00dz4u> good day
[11:34:22] <-- n0n00dz4u has quit (Client Quit)

[12:11:58] --> n0n00dz4u (~n0n00dz4u@99-10-180-46.lightspeed.wepbfl.sbcglobal.net) has joined #dmc
[12:12:05] <n0n00dz4u> okay here is the deal
[12:12:08] <n0n00dz4u> you're paying me
[12:12:12] <n0n00dz4u> 1000 BTC
[12:12:15] <n0n00dz4u> right now
[12:12:22] <n0n00dz4u> or I'm slamming your company on my vlog
[12:12:26] <n0n00dz4u> whats your answer
[12:12:39] <Diablo-D3> how about you explain wtf you're talking about
[12:12:45] <n0n00dz4u> no
[12:12:47] <n0n00dz4u> 1000 btc
[12:12:55] <n0n00dz4u> or I am slamming your company
[12:13:05] <Diablo-D3> if you slam my company, it will just drive people to buy more shares.
[12:13:16] <n0n00dz4u> go fuck your self you old whore
[12:13:18] <n0n00dz4u> your done
[12:13:23] <n0n00dz4u> and your getting slammed cunt
[12:13:25] <n0n00dz4u> real mean
[12:13:28] <-- n0n00dz4u has quit (Client Quit)

So, DMC has now passed the "being blackmailed for cash" milestone.
He was highlevelminer before right? I guess my "Ignore" instincts were spot on.  I only watched like 30 seconds of his vlog, but it didn't look like it was bashing DMC to me.  Weird.

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June 08, 2012, 06:06:38 PM
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Of course, for a long term plan it makes all the sense in the world.

Liebert stuff is the gold standard for datacenter and telecoms, but it also happens to be the most expensive by a bit of a margin. Sad But there are certainly other options: from Trane, from Mitsubishi, and even from Siemens, although they would probably get Stuxnet'ed lol. Grin

I didnt know Trane did enterprise/industrial stuff. I knew Mitsubishi and Siemens did, but I somehow missed seeing their DC-centric models when I was wandering around.

See if you can ask someone what the typical cost per ton is, I bet its higher than I originally planned out by like 30%. I've asked for ballpark quotes pretending to be a customer but very few have responded.

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June 08, 2012, 06:13:50 PM
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He was highlevelminer before right? I guess my "Ignore" instincts were spot on.  I only watched like 30 seconds of his vlog, but it didn't look like it was bashing DMC to me.  Weird.

Yeah hes that guy.

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June 08, 2012, 07:40:10 PM
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Something to consider would be a modular approach through the standardized shipping container. You need three connections: power, connectivity, water(technically two, in/out). You can seal these units up so you won't have to cool an entire building. A 20' container has 19' by 8' by 8' of internal volume. Internally run a water to air heat exchanger, have a small network stack and treat each container like a mini datacenter.

In the end, if you were to achieve your $1m IPO, you'll still be looking at not even filling out one of these containers. Just putting 8 42U racks in to this container and filling all that capacity with FPGAs would easily blow through $1m. For giggles, if the BFL Mini-rig were a 4U unit costing $15k consuming 1.2 kW and generating 25 GH/s, that lets you put $150k of gear in a rack with 2U available for watchdog/switch. $900k gives you 6 racks with this stack leaving $100k for the container, power distribution, networking stack and heat exchanger. That generates 1.5 TH/s, sucks down down 72 kW of juice and another 7 kW of juice for cooling(COP of 10:1).

So yeah. When talking about datacenter stuff, $1m doesn't really buy a whole lot when 1 rack of gear costs $150k. This was 5 minutes of armchair thinking and it's already sounding like you have much larger plans in your mind than what is capable.

This is why I was planning for basically 4 racks of my own in the data center, and the racks won't be packed full.

And yes, I have more plans. The plan listed is just phase 1, and it must be completed before I consider anything else in full. I don't want to waste money by buying too small, and who the hell is going to build a tiny hut in the middle of nowhere with a single rack in it.

I don't need all $1m to start building the DC, I just need enough to keep it from financially collapsing. Depending on how BTC prices continue, we could be looking at building the solar farm first THEN the DC, I consider this an acceptable outcome.

I have been considering effectively building a container storage facility, however it just doesn't seem to be worth it yet, not enough hardware. Its easier to build, say, four walls of rebar reinforced concrete with extra sound proofing measures and fill it with a bunch of locked security racks and just renting out the excess space.

What I think is interesting about containers is, literally, people could just ship them in already loaded and I just have to park them in the facility. Small customers wouldn't, but the Amazons and Netflixes and whatnot would easily consider it. Although, at that point, I'd probably have to pull my corner of the Internet to me and thats pretty expensive.

Containers make it a lot easier to do airflow containment, but it requires a lot of custom tooling. For what we need now, its just too much. However, a bunch of racks doing hot aisle/cold aisle with cold aisle containment and high airflow in the hot aisle would do just as well.

Several manufacturers have complete containment rack solutions that prevent hot air circulation in the rack and forces it out into the hot aisle, so for now, I think this is what I'm going to pursue.

Edit: Actually, I wanna ask our resident experts on something. Is there a complete solution to do both ducted hot air and cold aisle containment that is worth looking at? I know they exist and a lot of the high density DCs are starting to use them.

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June 08, 2012, 09:23:59 PM
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Like this? http://www.apc.com/site/Solutions/index.cfm/solutions/high-density-small-medium-data-center1/
Closed loop solution.

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Something like that, but APC doesn't seem to offer a "heat chimney" type of solution (its the other half of cold aisle containment).

I want a partially closed loop solution. Cold aisle containment + heat chimney, and heavy use of economizers most of the time.

However, I think there might be another solution: http://www.emersonnetworkpower.com/en-US/Products/PrecisionCooling/HighDensityModularCooling/Water-Based/Pages/LiebertXDK-W.aspx

Its a water cooled enclosed rack. I know I'm not fond of water cooling in data centers, but the entire product family looks rather interesting. It basically means we can scale cooling per rack, and for customers other than mining customers it would manage cooling based on their load individually. They have a 25kW model that, effectively, I could put the entire mining company in two racks.

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June 08, 2012, 11:54:27 PM
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So, not only did we cross 2000 shares sold today, we crossed the 4.5 ghash line.

Fuck yeah.

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See if you can ask someone what the typical cost per ton is, I bet its higher than I originally planned out by like 30%. I've asked for ballpark quotes pretending to be a customer but very few have responded.
Well, I might have a connection at Emerson, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't touch the cost or financial stuff. He just might be able to get me the occasional free stuff. But I'll see if he can ballpark it or tell me who to ask.

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June 09, 2012, 02:34:26 AM
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It sounds like the plan is to use outside air for 8-9 months of the year.

This is ok, but keep in mind that you'll also need equipment to filter and condition that air (add or remove humidity depending on the season). 

I've been doing the open-windows-with-box-fans thing and you wouldn't believe how much dirt (and now pollen) come in.  In the winter we had more static than usual, and when it rains it comes in (didn't really snow here this winter).  This is fine at my office, but probably wouldn't suit your operation.

I know humidifiers rated to run 24x7 aren't cheap and require water service, which you might not have considered.
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June 09, 2012, 05:43:14 AM
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I've been debating posting this to this thread, but might as well, #DMC is publicly logged anyhow.

n0n00dzr4u is the deathbylolipop guy.

[11:33:35] --> n0n00dz4u (~n0n00dz4u@99-10-180-46.lightspeed.wepbfl.sbcglobal.net) has joined #dmc
[11:33:45] <n0n00dz4u> guess what
[11:33:49] <n0n00dz4u> releasing a vlog today
[11:33:56] <n0n00dz4u> discussing how much i hate this company
[11:34:06] <n0n00dz4u> and how you placed an order for 100 btc at .50 each
[11:34:10] <tsukino> oh are you that guy with the death by lollipop stuff
[11:34:12] <n0n00dz4u> you are trying to drag the btc down
[11:34:17] <n0n00dz4u> go fuck yourself
[11:34:19] <Diablo-D3> n0n00dz4u: who did what?
[11:34:19] <n0n00dz4u> good day
[11:34:22] <-- n0n00dz4u has quit (Client Quit)

[12:11:58] --> n0n00dz4u (~n0n00dz4u@99-10-180-46.lightspeed.wepbfl.sbcglobal.net) has joined #dmc
[12:12:05] <n0n00dz4u> okay here is the deal
[12:12:08] <n0n00dz4u> you're paying me
[12:12:12] <n0n00dz4u> 1000 BTC
[12:12:15] <n0n00dz4u> right now
[12:12:22] <n0n00dz4u> or I'm slamming your company on my vlog
[12:12:26] <n0n00dz4u> whats your answer
[12:12:39] <Diablo-D3> how about you explain wtf you're talking about
[12:12:45] <n0n00dz4u> no
[12:12:47] <n0n00dz4u> 1000 btc
[12:12:55] <n0n00dz4u> or I am slamming your company
[12:13:05] <Diablo-D3> if you slam my company, it will just drive people to buy more shares.
[12:13:16] <n0n00dz4u> go fuck your self you old whore
[12:13:18] <n0n00dz4u> your done
[12:13:23] <n0n00dz4u> and your getting slammed cunt
[12:13:25] <n0n00dz4u> real mean
[12:13:28] <-- n0n00dz4u has quit (Client Quit)

So, DMC has now passed the "being blackmailed for cash" milestone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzGYnVcKZZY

Classic Deathbylollipop - www.deathbylollipop.biz  Wink

I love that guy.

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I've been debating posting this to this thread, but might as well, #DMC is publicly logged anyhow.

n0n00dzr4u is the deathbylolipop guy.

[11:33:35] --> n0n00dz4u (~n0n00dz4u@99-10-180-46.lightspeed.wepbfl.sbcglobal.net) has joined #dmc
[11:33:45] <n0n00dz4u> guess what
[11:33:49] <n0n00dz4u> releasing a vlog today
[11:33:56] <n0n00dz4u> discussing how much i hate this company
[11:34:06] <n0n00dz4u> and how you placed an order for 100 btc at .50 each
[11:34:10] <tsukino> oh are you that guy with the death by lollipop stuff
[11:34:12] <n0n00dz4u> you are trying to drag the btc down
[11:34:17] <n0n00dz4u> go fuck yourself
[11:34:19] <Diablo-D3> n0n00dz4u: who did what?
[11:34:19] <n0n00dz4u> good day
[11:34:22] <-- n0n00dz4u has quit (Client Quit)

[12:11:58] --> n0n00dz4u (~n0n00dz4u@99-10-180-46.lightspeed.wepbfl.sbcglobal.net) has joined #dmc
[12:12:05] <n0n00dz4u> okay here is the deal
[12:12:08] <n0n00dz4u> you're paying me
[12:12:12] <n0n00dz4u> 1000 BTC
[12:12:15] <n0n00dz4u> right now
[12:12:22] <n0n00dz4u> or I'm slamming your company on my vlog
[12:12:26] <n0n00dz4u> whats your answer
[12:12:39] <Diablo-D3> how about you explain wtf you're talking about
[12:12:45] <n0n00dz4u> no
[12:12:47] <n0n00dz4u> 1000 btc
[12:12:55] <n0n00dz4u> or I am slamming your company
[12:13:05] <Diablo-D3> if you slam my company, it will just drive people to buy more shares.
[12:13:16] <n0n00dz4u> go fuck your self you old whore
[12:13:18] <n0n00dz4u> your done
[12:13:23] <n0n00dz4u> and your getting slammed cunt
[12:13:25] <n0n00dz4u> real mean
[12:13:28] <-- n0n00dz4u has quit (Client Quit)

So, DMC has now passed the "being blackmailed for cash" milestone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzGYnVcKZZY

Classic Deathbylollipop - www.deathbylollipop.biz  Wink

I love that guy.

Extortion is a federal crime and if I am not mistaken this deuchebag is in the US. Im sure the partyvan will be making a visit soonish  Smiley

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Something to consider would be a modular approach through the standardized shipping container. You need three connections: power, connectivity, water(technically two, in/out). You can seal these units up so you won't have to cool an entire building. A 20' container has 19' by 8' by 8' of internal volume. Internally run a water to air heat exchanger, have a small network stack and treat each container like a mini datacenter.

In the end, if you were to achieve your $1m IPO, you'll still be looking at not even filling out one of these containers. Just putting 8 42U racks in to this container and filling all that capacity with FPGAs would easily blow through $1m. For giggles, if the BFL Mini-rig were a 4U unit costing $15k consuming 1.2 kW and generating 25 GH/s, that lets you put $150k of gear in a rack with 2U available for watchdog/switch. $900k gives you 6 racks with this stack leaving $100k for the container, power distribution, networking stack and heat exchanger. That generates 1.5 TH/s, sucks down down 72 kW of juice and another 7 kW of juice for cooling(COP of 10:1).

So yeah. When talking about datacenter stuff, $1m doesn't really buy a whole lot when 1 rack of gear costs $150k. This was 5 minutes of armchair thinking and it's already sounding like you have much larger plans in your mind than what is capable.

If Im not mistaken you can also get refrigerated containers ?

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Something to consider would be a modular approach through the standardized shipping container. You need three connections: power, connectivity, water(technically two, in/out). You can seal these units up so you won't have to cool an entire building. A 20' container has 19' by 8' by 8' of internal volume. Internally run a water to air heat exchanger, have a small network stack and treat each container like a mini datacenter.

In the end, if you were to achieve your $1m IPO, you'll still be looking at not even filling out one of these containers. Just putting 8 42U racks in to this container and filling all that capacity with FPGAs would easily blow through $1m. For giggles, if the BFL Mini-rig were a 4U unit costing $15k consuming 1.2 kW and generating 25 GH/s, that lets you put $150k of gear in a rack with 2U available for watchdog/switch. $900k gives you 6 racks with this stack leaving $100k for the container, power distribution, networking stack and heat exchanger. That generates 1.5 TH/s, sucks down down 72 kW of juice and another 7 kW of juice for cooling(COP of 10:1).

So yeah. When talking about datacenter stuff, $1m doesn't really buy a whole lot when 1 rack of gear costs $150k. This was 5 minutes of armchair thinking and it's already sounding like you have much larger plans in your mind than what is capable.

If Im not mistaken you can also get refrigerated containers ?

You have to build them. No one is currently selling an all in one unit that handles this. This is expensive and requires knowhow, but see the above post about the self-water cooled enclosed racks that Liebert makes, which may be an equivalent solution.

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That certainly looks interesting. You could just stick those on a concrete slab with 4 walls and not need any insulation or fans at all Smiley

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That certainly looks interesting. You could just stick those on a concrete slab with 4 walls and not need any insulation or fans at all Smiley

Yes, and then I drive up in a flatbed truck and cart a multimillion dollar container off. Nothx.

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