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Author Topic: [ANN][SLR] SolarCoin | PoW to PoS v. 2.0 | Solar Proof of Generation (§1 = 1MWh)  (Read 432320 times)
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March 31, 2015, 05:50:07 AM
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So the promotion, distribution... whatever one may decide to call it, of Solarcoin is a total disaster and no one is actually claiming the solarcoins they are entitled for... and this is a problem if not the major/only problem of this project. In fact, no one knows that if they install a solar system, they are entitled to receive solarcoins. I will go even further: Not even the professionals, know about this. Or Solarcoin as a project altogether. Is this, really, the main/only problem of this project? I would think it is...

Well, here is the EASY solution:

The reason no one knows about Solarcoin is, obviously, because no one cares. Who would even hear they are entitled to some WORTHLESS reward? In many cases it would be considered, first, suspicious (someone is trying to sell me something else...0 and second, an insult (if you are going to give me anything, that it would be at the very least, worth enough to buy a sandwich...). Solution: Offer a REAL REWARD. Who was the inventor of the 1§ per 1 KW? And why such absurd thing remains in place? If we REALLY want to be noticed, to be taken seriously, it is beyond evident that the reward has to be changed, from something halfway between suspicious and an insult, to something that can be considered a reward, even if minimal, but at least with some substance.

I propose that exchange will be hiked to 1 KW = 100 §. And lets see what happens. Since the previous rate has proven an absolute failure by any measure, I'm quite sure that new rate will make a significant departure. The hike also applies, obviously, to the commissions by those who sign people to the program, so it will be really worthwhile to get people to do it.

Yes, I know there are other considerations. I have considered them all. The FINAL result, since the current results are so disastrous, are way positive in ANY AND ALL scenarios.

So, foundation members, get the ball rolling. We are already WAY behind...

I don't see it this way at all. For a 40 year project it's just getting off the ground. More than half of the systems aren't in place yet. When you take a real look at where solar is right now, the grant matches quite well. Once things get worked out: new wallet + staking features, automation process, etc. Solarcoin will take on a life of its own. If you're looking for a quick buck, go somewhere else, you won't find it here.

And thereby precisely lies the problem. Which part of "no one knows about solarcoin in the solar industry" you chose to not understand? Furthermore, which part of the "being insulted by the current non-value of the solarcoin promotion" you choose to ignore. The solar industry, has grown 9-fold in the last 2 years in many places of the planet, with governments doing the heavy lifting and carrying the burden of u[p to 30% and more of the total costs, to PROMOTE adoption and installation, buy they are stupid, right? You, on the other hand, are the fucking genius that believes that this is going to even be around at all -under the present idiotic circumstances- even 2 years from now, right?

Like I said: Thereby lies the problem. And why this project -which was originally a great idea- is a joke, actually.

The value of SLR is bound to grow with increase of claims. That's the project. It's based on economic laws/economic history. Current state is just that - current state - it's matching current predominantly PoW mining/adoption. Then why consider an insult letting the solar industry know about the SLR project and that SLR value is bound to naturally grow with increase of claims?

BTW, I already asked you this: did you already contact the Solarfarm guy to let him know to claim the SolarCoins for the solar farms he works with? If not, I'll go ahead and do it.

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The value of SLR is bound to grow with increase of claims.
YOU MAKE NO SENSE!!!

If SLR were BACKED by SOMETHING even that SOMETHING would be depleted when people cash out their CLAIMED SLR!!!

If you have MORE PEOPLE CLAIMING than there are PEOPLE BUYING the price goes down and it is a BUYERS MARKET not a SELLERS!!!

Sure if everyone just keeps buying SLR like it is GASOLINE then the price goes up and up and up. But why do people need to BUY SLR??? To Get RICH? No they only need to SELL SLR since once they CLAIM it they have nothing else to do with it than SELL it!!!

Even if you have a product you could BUY from a merchant with SLR.... GUESS WHAT??? The Merchant has to SELL the SLR they accepted in the transaction!!! So they need to SELL!!!

So you tell me even in 40 years from now who will be BUYING SLR?

I guess you have 40 years to figure this out like I told you many times there is nothing creating a BUY. And even if people do buy they BUY low so the price will plummet and profit takers will be your only buyers. Since the relation of SLR equates to BITCOIN vs FIAT the only thing to happen for merchants makes them relate to BitCoin when they sell products. So when your coin hits the bottom the inflation will be huge, and that merchant will be forced to sell a T-Shirt for 10,000,000 SLR. So your Claimers get a Free T-Shirt and then the Merchant is stuck trying to sell his SLR to no buyers.

Please tell me you understand this now?

You cannot be possibly more right... or explain the current and future situation any clearer. But, of course, we have here a more basic problem to solve, before we even attempt to make any sense of this absurd joke. It's called -and evidenced above-, plain STUPIDITY. And, sadly, it abounds here. These holders of that particular banner, somehow have convinced themselves that this thing is going to distribute itself... even after the PROVEN FACT, after more than a year of going in the wrong direction, with results to back it up, that it will not only NOT happen, now or ever, but that the whole shitty project -they make it so- will be obsolete and will more than provable not reach a second anniversary. In other words, they have "a plan" for 40 years when in all likelyhood, the idea itself will not survive year 2. Go figure.

This project needs, FIRST AND FOREMOST, distribution. And yes, that will probably create a "buyer's market" as you put it. But it is unavoidable. And, as it will turn out, beneficial in the end with the MARKET doing the actual distribution: At some price level, speculators, investors, traders, will come in and set the PROPER VALUE at the time of the coin. If you cannot buy anything with it, obviously, value will be ZERO. But that cannot actually be the case for now you can translate ANY digital currency into fiat via gift cards so it will have SOME value all along and the only TRUE judge of value, the market, will set it.

Now, if by some miracle, the holders of the banners -and other banners too-, are somehow able to give this coin some usage at some point along the way, then what we have is a promising project that NOT ONLY, adequately and EFFICIENTLY, promotes solar power creation but IS ALSO a digital currency that serves a purpose as such.

Quite frankly, with the current captains manning the ship, the chances of this being achieved are slim to none... lets just look, for perspective, to the "achievements" of these 15 months. But they do not need to be manning anything, really, when plenty of way more capable hands are ready and available. Solar energy is 1% now in the world. Without Solarcoin, it will be the MAIN source of energy by 2050. Solarcoin can and should grab a piece of that immense pie... by way of becoming and engine in tha spectacular growth just ahead and already heavily in progress.

This will NOT be achieved, clearly, with the holders of the STUPIDITY banner manning the ship.

Thanks I tried to help SLR and now I am helping people understand why it won't work as is. I am not insulting anyone unless they don't get it. So if they feel insulted it isn't my fault.
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March 31, 2015, 06:03:28 AM
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FYI - 50 years - in Electronics:
http://spectrum.ieee.org/semiconductors/processors/the-multiple-lives-of-moores-law
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March 31, 2015, 07:52:32 AM
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Reading this article, I think we should be more excited about being able to measure SolarCoin generation from a small integrated measurement chips with Moore's law 3.0.
Similarly, Swanson's law http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swanson%27s_law applies to Solar Energy production costs in a similar way to how Moore's Law 1.0 and 2.0 worked.

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March 31, 2015, 03:12:48 PM
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We are only 1 year in give it time just like bitcoin took years. Best part yet solar hasn't even had a pump and dump yet fun times ahead.

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March 31, 2015, 10:35:46 PM
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Do you want to know how you can raise the price of this coin without having to do anything drastic or make crazy changes to the coin itself?

>> DONATE SOME OF YOUR COINS BACK TO THE GENERATOR POOLS  << it is the only real way to publicly and verifiably burn/remove useless coins from the market, thus raising fiat pricing per coin left on the market.... this has only one outcome and that is to attract more public attention and resources.


Gen pool 1 address : 8Lv6jBL1AZ4Emdeaen8Q7aUp9XrJjChzRo
Gen pool 2 address : 8Kau7tve5QoGKNMHomDr2tHcAMmqUN2zYu


We all know that there have been about 33,000,000 coins handed out that have ZERO actual solar claims backing their existence… These coins are worth nothing and bring down the price because they don’t represent real value added to the system from real Solar participation as was intended by the coin's creators.

If all who read this decided to burn some of what they have mined/stored, prices would rise & that would solve MOST ISSUES >>>  decrease SLR supply = ^ price per coin = more claimants = more companies = more programmers = more media =  more actual public interest


Bottom line: Don’t be selfish, I have personally “burned” over 70k SLR in the gen pool to make up for what I mined and I know you can do the same. No one cares about anything but money so why not take some actions to raise the rarity of the coin and therefore bring more money to the table so others will get onboard instead of holding too many coins worth less than .004 cents each?

This is THE fastest and easiest way to attain growth, bar-none. Most other cryptos don't have this gen-pool option so it isn't something we see every day, but mark my words that if a large % of the mined coins were to end up back in the pool that would solve a lot of pricing issues and thus galvanize interest and growth. No one can steal or manipulate your coins if you donate to either of the authentic Solar Generator pools as those are public, those coins are just taken off the market and locked away for only Claimants to bring them out again through the proper 1MWH = 1SLR method... end of story!!!!


Got a better or more simple idea you can implement system-wide? I doubt it  Grin
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April 01, 2015, 03:25:17 AM
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Lets not and say we did.

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April 01, 2015, 12:12:09 PM
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Lets not and say we did.


Give me one good reason why people shouldn't do this? Oh because you dont want to give up a small % of your precious coin that isnt worth jack sh#t?   Huh Huh Huh
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April 01, 2015, 12:17:40 PM
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Soler is the new revulsion in our latest technology systems... Shocked

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April 01, 2015, 01:07:56 PM
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Lets not and say we did.


Give me one good reason why people shouldn't do this? Oh because you dont want to give up a small % of your precious coin that isnt worth jack sh#t?   Huh Huh Huh

Its called capitalism.

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April 01, 2015, 03:40:59 PM
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Lets not and say we did.


Give me one good reason why people shouldn't do this? Oh because you dont want to give up a small % of your precious coin that isnt worth jack sh#t?   Huh Huh Huh

Its called capitalism.

Explain to me how what I just described is not capitalistic? I just gave you a way to raise price thus making you money and also to eliminate coins which were distributed in a very non-capitalistic way in comparison with how the SLR coin is supposed to function.

Clearly you don't want to participate because you don't have the brass to do it just the same as most of the other people in this coin space, but that's okay just keep holding on to coins that you did not rightfully earned through caching solar and the value should magically appear on its own anyway right?  Undecided
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April 01, 2015, 03:59:36 PM
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Burning coins is not going to raise the price. Buy some and see if that works.

I forgot talk is cheap that would cost $

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April 01, 2015, 04:07:51 PM
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Burning coins is not going to raise the price. Buy some and see if that works.

I forgot talk is cheap that would cost $

I believe you misunderstand me, I'm not suggesting that people buy coins off the market and burn them, rather that they take some of the supply which they mined into existence in burns that instead.

Also, if you don't think that removing coins from a market wouldn't increase the price per coin then you clearly do not understand economics as an increase in rarity is also followed by an increase in price in any situation.

The less coins there are on the market, the closer each coin will be to pricing at the marginal cost of 1 MWh of captured PV power which is intended in its value.



I'll tell you what is not capitalistic and will not raise price, A whole bunch of people holding onto coins that they are only supposed to have through capturing photovoltaic energy when in fact all they have done is paid a few dollars war turned a few computers to a specific mining pool.

Go read up on economics or study any type of monetary policy and you will see that everything I've said is very true and it is not easy to argue against it so good luck with that.


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April 01, 2015, 07:17:00 PM
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Burning coins is not going to raise the price. Buy some and see if that works.

I forgot talk is cheap that would cost $
The less coins there are on the market,

Correct me if i am wrong, we are not supposed to distribute SLR  instead of reducing SLR Huh What you suggest is to invert the goal of this project ; the 1st goal of this project is to support solar production , not to support solar investment, it s a plus for investors if it succeeds. This SLR coin is not like the other, i like it Smiley

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April 01, 2015, 07:43:54 PM
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Burning coins is not going to raise the price. Buy some and see if that works.

I forgot talk is cheap that would cost $
The less coins there are on the market,

Correct me if i am wrong, we are not supposed to distribute SLR  instead of reducing SLR Huh What you suggest is to invert the goal of this project ; the 1st goal of this project is to support solar production , not to support solar investment, it s a plus for investors if it succeeds. This SLR coin is not like the other, i like it Smiley

I agree with you 100% that we should also be distributing coins to PV generators, however something tells me that there are already way too many coins on the market to simply fix this issue by distributing coins to those who claim solar.

I am NOT saying that we should simply burn coins, I am saying that we should add the burn strategy ALONG with re-distributing mined coins to those who actually capture solar energy.... This way the coins would increase in value, And also the number of individuals who hold the coins will increase as well and that would also increase the value. This isn't an all or nothing strategy, it is simply a short term fix to bump up the price a bit so we will have both solar investors AND solar users in the group because as of right now even the people I have talked to who own PV systems wouldn't care if I gave them 1,000,000 coins because the coins arent worth jack squat.


If you want to bring more claimants into the space the coin must be worth some money so the claimants will actually have a reason to claim, otherwise they will not care enough to even download the wallet or visit the website because it is a complete waste of time.

Everyone who cares about SLR should try to burn a few coins, distribute some coins to photovoltaic users, and also do a little bit of promotion as well... This would be a perfect trifecta to help skyrocket interest in general across the SLR space!!!   ( hope that makes sense  Undecided )

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April 02, 2015, 01:21:47 AM
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Hi all,

We have a lot going on under the hood for solcrypto.

Firstly, a way to make generators display that they have produced X many SLR. Talking to 2 manufacturers to be their distributers of these specialist pieces of equipment.
Secondly, making apps for the site.

Thirdly, SLUSH Asia pitching contest. http://asia.slush.org/ in Tokyo on April 24th. We will describe Solcrypto, but it also requires an amazing and easy to understand description of SolarCoin.

Community- we value your expert opinion so much: PLEASE send (1) useful (2) and timely suggestions for the slush asia pitch.

a) Current market size (global)
b) Future market size (global) and then per region (Europe, USA, Asia and ROTW)
c) Other ideas

Thanks,
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April 02, 2015, 05:54:42 PM
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Let it rain paper wallets with solarcoin in them to the crowd. It sounds funny but seriouse would be a good idea / Attention getter.

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April 02, 2015, 06:30:00 PM
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Hi all,

We have a lot going on under the hood for solcrypto.

Firstly, a way to make generators display that they have produced X many SLR. Talking to 2 manufacturers to be their distributers of these specialist pieces of equipment.
Secondly, making apps for the site.

Thirdly, SLUSH Asia pitching contest. http://asia.slush.org/ in Tokyo on April 24th. We will describe Solcrypto, but it also requires an amazing and easy to understand description of SolarCoin.

Community- we value your expert opinion so much: PLEASE send (1) useful (2) and timely suggestions for the slush asia pitch.

a) Current market size (global)
b) Future market size (global) and then per region (Europe, USA, Asia and ROTW)
c) Other ideas

Thanks,
yours in the light
-lfloorwalker

Luke. firstly, super cool you are doing this.  Let us know how we can help.  Do you want solar installs? users? etc. Francois' and Marios' estimate 6m potential claimants, which is a number that is growing fast.  I have CC:d others building sites in N&S America and Europe who may provide their estimates for market sizing and their own goals. 

Solarcoin (§ SLR) are like airmiles. Each 1 Mhw generated gets you §1 free. Solarcoins can purchase what others will trade: USD,BTC, Soy candles..etc.
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April 02, 2015, 06:38:36 PM
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If aliens could find about our Solar certainly was gather to stock in.... Wink

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April 02, 2015, 08:34:29 PM
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Let it rain paper wallets with solarcoin in them to the crowd. It sounds funny but seriouse would be a good idea / Attention getter.


we could even get an SLR float in parades and hand out free coins with a paper wallet or something like that.. not a bad idea at all in some places where PV systems are known to be popular
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April 02, 2015, 10:26:45 PM
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I just figured out a better way for liquidity to transpire and also make it so that no one can profit from the coin. Make the price .00000001 for each coin and then have claims available for a Quadrillion Coin. If the price goes up it just means people wanted to use the coin instead of claim it. Then you can only go up from there and everyone who buys in knows they could claim for free but would rather just buy in. This may be another example of why there is no Buy support other than people wanting to get rich off the coin. If profit takers are all you can rely on to buy out merchants it won't make the Merchants happy.
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