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Author Topic: KanoPool since 2014 🐈 - PPLNS and Solo 0.5% fee - Worldwide - 2436 blocks  (Read 5350591 times)
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May 03, 2021, 02:43:52 PM
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Hello I'm new here and I'm interested to know if it does make sense to run my miner just for a few hours a day. I have written a small script that allows me to use excess energy form my pv-system as soon as the battery is charged. This means the miner would run occasionally and irregularly. Is this a problem for the pool? Cheers!
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May 03, 2021, 10:35:42 PM
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Hello I'm new here and I'm interested to know if it does make sense to run my miner just for a few hours a day. I have written a small script that allows me to use excess energy form my pv-system as soon as the battery is charged. This means the miner would run occasionally and irregularly. Is this a problem for the pool? Cheers!
Well, when we find a block, your reward is based on all the work you have done in the previous 3 days.
So e.g. if you were mining 8 hours a day, you'd expect 1/3 the reward of someone mining 24 hours a day with the same hash rate.

However, it wont be exactly 1/3, it could be higher or lower.

Firstly, read Help->Rewards when you are logged in.
But the point is that the 'tank' maximum and minimum will vary due to the 8 hours on and 16 hours off.
So if we found the next block right at the end of your 8 hours on, your 'tank' would be at the maximum point, but it we found the next block right at the end of your 16 hours off, your 'tank' would be at the minimum point.
i.e. much higher variance due to the on/off mining.

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May 04, 2021, 02:46:06 PM
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Hi Mr Kano, it is feasible to use your pool, with an Antminer U3 and 2 USB ASIC from Bitfury, they give about 65Gh/s approx.

Best regards and thanks
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May 04, 2021, 08:34:15 PM
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Hello I'm new here and I'm interested to know if it does make sense to run my miner just for a few hours a day. I have written a small script that allows me to use excess energy form my pv-system as soon as the battery is charged. This means the miner would run occasionally and irregularly. Is this a problem for the pool? Cheers!
Well, when we find a block, your reward is based on all the work you have done in the previous 3 days.
So e.g. if you were mining 8 hours a day, you'd expect 1/3 the reward of someone mining 24 hours a day with the same hash rate.

However, it wont be exactly 1/3, it could be higher or lower.

Firstly, read Help->Rewards when you are logged in.
But the point is that the 'tank' maximum and minimum will vary due to the 8 hours on and 16 hours off.
So if we found the next block right at the end of your 8 hours on, your 'tank' would be at the maximum point, but it we found the next block right at the end of your 16 hours off, your 'tank' would be at the minimum point.
i.e. much higher variance due to the on/off mining.

Thank you for the quick response!
I logged in and checked the section. If I got it right the rewards are not exactly 1/3 within the first 3 days but get closer to 1/3 the longer the miner continues to run (given the miner runs 8hours/day). I'll try to get the script running and see how it works over time. Am I allowed to post questions regarding the CGminer API on your Discord-channel?
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May 04, 2021, 09:05:45 PM
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Hi Mr Kano, it is feasible to use your pool, with an Antminer U3 and 2 USB ASIC from Bitfury, they give about 65Gh/s approx.

Best regards and thanks

2014 called, they want that old miner back

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May 04, 2021, 10:46:59 PM
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Hi Mr Kano, it is feasible to use your pool, with an Antminer U3 and 2 USB ASIC from Bitfury, they give about 65Gh/s approx.

Best regards and thanks
While it is feasible, it would be somewhat pointless due to the high power it would use for the very tiny hash rate, as implied by the above post about how old they are.

To compare: e.g. a NewPac USB runs about that hash rate using only a few watts - and NewPacs use old S9 chips.

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May 04, 2021, 10:52:16 PM
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Thank you for the quick response!
I logged in and checked the section. If I got it right the rewards are not exactly 1/3 within the first 3 days but get closer to 1/3 the longer the miner continues to run (given the miner runs 8hours/day). I'll try to get the script running and see how it works over time. Am I allowed to post questions regarding the CGminer API on your Discord-channel?
Well I designed and wrote the API so I guess that should be OK Smiley

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May 05, 2021, 07:29:49 AM
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Hi Mr Kano, it is feasible to use your pool, with an Antminer U3 and 2 USB ASIC from Bitfury, they give about 65Gh/s approx.

Best regards and thanks
While it is feasible, it would be somewhat pointless due to the high power it would use for the very tiny hash rate, as implied by the above post about how old they are.

To compare: e.g. a NewPac USB runs about that hash rate using only a few watts - and NewPacs use old S9 chips.

I understand, it is more like a "lottery" and experiment, than what can be obtained.
And with an Antminer S9 ... electricity cost 0.00€/kwh
I'm looking at websites like whattomine.com, and theoretically it gets about 4.7$/day (which is probably a little less...).

Thank you very much!
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May 06, 2021, 12:16:42 AM
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However, i reposthis
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I have no idea what that post was other than guessing that someone on the forum sent you a scam message.

Just ignore it.

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May 06, 2021, 12:09:00 PM
Last edit: May 09, 2021, 07:44:07 PM by Fingolfin
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However, i reposthis
...

I have no idea what that post was other than guessing that someone on the forum sent you a scam message.

Just ignore it.

I,ve just send you a PM

Thanks for cleaning this uo for me!

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May 16, 2021, 07:26:56 PM
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https://miningpoolstats.stream/bitcoin

i have mined in this pool since 2014.
I have sent these guys a message to add KANO pool but the api is missing
this is a good advertisment for the pool
can you fix this Kano.


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May 16, 2021, 09:00:26 PM
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https://miningpoolstats.stream/bitcoin

i have mined in this pool since 2014.
I have sent these guys a message to add KANO pool but the api is missing
this is a good advertisment for the pool
can you fix this Kano.
Others (and myself) have given them the link that provides the hash rate and timestamp on multiple occasions, then it shows up there for a while, but it keeps disappearing off their site soon after.
No idea what the issue is, but is seems they don't like the link Tongue

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May 29, 2021, 03:41:16 PM
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thats so bad

the site must report accurate information no matter if they like the link or not

the pool is there but says API error and with number lower number when should be near 29

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May 30, 2021, 08:46:51 AM
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can anyone advise a good one mining pool for newbies?
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May 30, 2021, 08:48:38 AM
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can anyone advise a good one mining pool for newbies?
Here.
https://kano.is/ ...

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May 31, 2021, 01:32:07 PM
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thats so bad

the site must report accurate information no matter if they like the link or not

the pool is there but says API error and with number lower number when should be near 29



The stupid thing is, if you click on the link that says the API is missing, it takes you to the API page with the actual data on it they need.

I wonder if they are just hitting it too often, do you have a rate limit on that page kano?

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June 08, 2021, 10:43:55 AM
Last edit: June 14, 2021, 07:12:29 AM by kano
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Anyone who was mining on the pool with an apollo, it's blocked from mining PPLNS - only allowed mining Solo.
As mentioned in their thread, they've not bothered to do proper block level testing, so they're relegated to Solo for now.


... and to be blunt, I've no idea why anyone would do that testing for them, since they've written the code, you'd expect they'd test it properly.
Reminds me of the SPLNS pool that lost a block at the start coz apparently everyone there agreed to test ck's untested code for him ... that failed on the first block found by the miners ... so they all got nothing for that.


Edit:
It would appear that someone has done some Solo testing for "them", but alas "they've" stated that they'll release a 32bit version which directly relates to one of issues that loses blocks.
So for the time being, it will stay as Solo only.

Edit2: the apollo doesn't do asicboost - which basically means it wastes 10% of it's hashing.

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July 01, 2021, 03:39:41 AM
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Whats the difference between CKpool and Kano.is? They seem totally different but i always seem them together.
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July 01, 2021, 03:41:59 AM
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Whats the difference between CKpool and Kano.is? They seem totally different but i always seem them together.
Kano.is is the one that exists, this is KanoPool that's been running since 2014, not the other pool that shut down.

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July 08, 2021, 05:58:32 AM
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I was asked about how to use a rental here on Solo, and after much digging and watching the data packets between Craphash and the pool,
I discovered that the problem with doing that with ckpool, is that ckpool does the miner connection badly.
It always sends the pool default work difficulty before the miner validates their username/address and before sending the account difficulty setting.
For a miner this doesn't really matter, but for mining on Craphash, they look at the first work difficulty and thus wont allow it.

Clearly a certain person knew about this since it's his code, and he's had to allow Craphash mining on his solo pool, but he never bothered to fix the code.

Sooooo ... I ran some proxy rental runs using Craphash, since I guessed a proxy in front of the pool would work around this bug.

As mentioned in Discord on various occasions, while there are 2 KanoPool account types people can get: PPLNS and Solo, I have a 3rd account type called Override that gets no rewards, the shares are ignored when calculating rewards, but any blocks it finds goes to everyone on PPLNS.
i.e. live testing that has no negative effect on the miners, but a possible positive effect if it finds a block Smiley
I used about a 1 in 66 gamble in multiple runs, but alas no high enough share.

But anyway, the actual point of this post is to point out that Craphash steals between 2% and 3% of your BTC, so I don't suggest anyone should use them.
When you make an order, they take 3% as their start fee, however the actual amount of work you get, in all of the multiple runs I did, received between 2% and 3% less hashes than the 97% it should have.

You can of course work out what you should get quite simply.
If you are paying, say a high 0.0095 BTC/PH/Day and you use 0.2 BTC, then the amount of work you've paid for is:
0.97 * (0.2 / 0.0095) * 10^15 * (60 * 60 * 24) / (2^32) Diff
(3% fee) * BTC you paid * PH * 1Day / 1Diff
So in this case, 423.5G Diff

Alas you will find you will get less than 415G Diff (-2%)
Your worker will show these numbers if it's a new worker that starts at zero and you add :Diff + Invalid
(or write down what it was before you start mining the rental to it)

All pool, miner, proxy or accounting systems calculate hash rate from Diff, so they know how much Diff you are getting and use that to determine when to disconnect you.
They choose to disconnect you very much early between 2% and 3% early to be exact.

Oh well.

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