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October 09, 2014, 04:57:22 AM
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In reply to a concerned citizen gentleman,

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I have forked UBERcoin to fix your category errors and take into account the 666/Pi^100 Great Collapsing Hrung problem as predicted by Martin Armstrong.

UBERcoin's Hrung will inevitably collapse due to reasons that I cannot explain but you must believe because I am the authority because I once made a popular web page before the web was popular.

VaporCoin introduces the revolutionary and derivative concept of RingShuffle

RingShuffle uses three blockchains.  The outer application layer is the same as any CN coin.  The two-ply inner transportation system is used by nodes to accomplish both on and off chain mixing.  The middle layer is a mini-blockchain account tree that tracks the balance of mixing daemons.  Mixing daemons are ephemeral and each Vapor node spawns random number of them with random lifespans.  Mixing daemons use the inner layer's blockchain to shuffle coins using one-time-ring-signatures. 

This arrangement keeps bloat off off the permanent user-facing blockchain and restricts transaction noise (AKA helpful entropy) to temporary prunable ring sigs, while the minichain-based global account tree keeps transport daemons synchronized and mitigates the threat of hostile/dishonest Sybil nodes.

RingShuffle = (CN blockchain ((Miniblockchain(prunable CN blockchain)))

We are already in discussion with SuperNet, and are now taking pre-orders for our Stargoat+ FPGASIC, which is the only hardware capable of mining VaporCoins .

do you own the annoymint account   Cheesy

I submit a pull request and submit the SIGNET-RINGSHUFFLE feature, which notifies whenever an attempt to de-anonymise is made using a colored coin shaped waxy substance applied by stamping the RINGSHUFFLE into the enveloping cryptography whilst it is heatsinking the FPGASIC, simultaneously cooling the rig.

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October 09, 2014, 05:09:42 AM
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Thank you for saying good bye. I took all of those to heart and that I was sufficient for me (I didn't care about smoothie's taunts).

I really want to leave and I will.

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Peace.

Sure seems like you took them to heart. Actions always speak louder.

Scrambling password now...

lol....you will be back I'm going to guess...but for now run away.  Tongue

Oh smoothie you instigator ahahah
say his name thrice in a mirror with the lights off and he'll be back trust me lol
this guy likes to talk that is for damn sure !

although i missed his going away party and why etc i did not want to read that far back.
you all pound this topic so much i read very little of it and just skim through trying to glean what i can  Cool
i am lazy and i am not reading that guys techno-gibber-jabber LOL

you all talk too much and sorry but your boring..

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October 09, 2014, 05:40:26 AM
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RingShuffle

Don't give them ideas, didn't we had enough with IPO/ICO scams? Sad

VaporCoin [ANN] coming SoonTM.  Now with 50% more Bogons!

I would very much like to be a part of this.  Please tell be how I can be.  Thank you.


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October 09, 2014, 05:42:30 AM
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October 09, 2014, 05:59:52 AM
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Because of Bluemeanie1's  (Moneroman88) involvement in Monero, I am pulling out.  I thought the Monero community had higher standards than to associate with thieves.

Because of the lunar eclipse tomorrow night I'm switching projects from Monero to Darknote. Please join my new project on our official thread.


jeezuz christ after all the spamming and never ending god damn drama your switching projects ? AHHAHHAHAH

oh and thanks for the heads up about the eclipse thing Smiley

and good luck with your project guy Wink

Did i just read this?
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October 09, 2014, 08:27:17 AM
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Because of Bluemeanie1's  (Moneroman88) involvement in Monero, I am pulling out.  I thought the Monero community had higher standards than to associate with thieves.


Moneroman88 is not involved in monero in any way. The only thing he does is pro-monero trolling and most of the (monero) community hate him for that. You should really review your stance.

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October 09, 2014, 08:58:23 AM
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I do wonder why no extremely capable developer has offered to work with me, because my designs and maths go far beyond what I've shared in public).

Probably because: 1. everyone is likely either working on their own projects, or involved with a project already. 2. developer funding in this community (of any developer who doesn't work on an IPO coin) is in a state of crisis and I doubt many people would have the luxury of devoting months of their time to working on a speculative project.

Actually, the contrast between these IPO coins(note I'm not referring to superNET here as that's an asset backed by the money it raised and not a currency) and the non-IPO coins is quite striking. On one hand we have the IPO group each raising hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars every time, and then we have the other group who can't pay a single developer a Mcdonalds wage to work full time on projects that are attempting to change the world. Maybe we're the ones who got it wrong?

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October 09, 2014, 09:58:25 AM
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Because of Bluemeanie1's  (Moneroman88) involvement in Monero, I am pulling out.  I thought the Monero community had higher standards than to associate with thieves.

Thieves like to associate with Monero community, not the other way round.
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October 09, 2014, 12:03:23 PM
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Because of Bluemeanie1's  (Moneroman88) involvement in Monero, I am pulling out.  I thought the Monero community had higher standards than to associate with thieves.

Thieves like to associate with Monero community, not the other way round.

I thought that Moneroman88 hated Monero?  Every single thing he writes seems crafted explicitly for the purpose of creating hate for Monero.  
I also think TaunSew is just trolling here.  Few are gullible enough to take Moneroman88 seriously at all, much less take any action based on anything Moneroman88 writes.

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October 09, 2014, 01:57:28 PM
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do you own the annoymint account   Cheesy

Stop forcing me unscramble my password with a quantum computer from the future just to respond to such provocations.

VaporCoin shunts possibly incriminating information from the user/application level outer blockchain to an inner temporary hybrid account tree which uses a middle data layer facilitated by a miniblockchain account tree combined with an innermost Cryptonote transport layer.  Thus only clean data is preserved in the outer chain while the noisy cleansing process is restricted to temporary mechanisms.

To be clear: RingShuffle = {SUPERnet hype layer [(CN application layer (MBC data layer|CN transport layer))]}.


Now I must go degrade my already precarious health by eating a dozen rotten duck fetuses, so I can further my Munchhausen syndrome driven attention whoring with more illnesses to publicly complain about.

LOOK AT ME!!!!


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You've done an excellent job of deconstructing TFM/anonymint in your last several posts. And it's been hilarious!
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October 09, 2014, 11:26:18 PM
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Has anybody tried making a whitepaper full of technical nonsense and running an IPO/ICO?  Seems like somebody could make money doing it!

http://www.jl777.org/darkpaper-teleport-revealed/

Moneroman88 is not involved in monero in any way. The only thing he does is pro-monero trolling

in·volve
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        cause (a person or group) to experience or participate in an activity or situation.

Thieves like to associate with Monero community, not the other way round.

Statements that have an infinite cost of future veracity are spoken by fools.

You've done an excellent job of deconstructing

Didn't have time to read all his posts. Could you kindly point me to the analysis with scholarly proofs?
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October 09, 2014, 11:52:58 PM
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Because of Bluemeanie1's  (Moneroman88) involvement in Monero, I am pulling out.  I thought the Monero community had higher standards than to associate with thieves.

Thieves like to associate with Monero community, not the other way round.

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October 10, 2014, 02:14:15 AM
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Has anybody tried making a whitepaper full of technical nonsense and running an IPO/ICO?  Seems like somebody could make money doing it!

http://www.jl777.org/darkpaper-teleport-revealed/

Bwah-haha-haha1!!!  Well player, sir.   Grin


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Didn't have time to read all his posts. Could you kindly point me to the analysis with scholarly proofs?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum


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October 10, 2014, 02:37:24 AM
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Has anybody tried making a whitepaper full of technical nonsense and running an IPO/ICO?  Seems like somebody could make money doing it!

http://www.jl777.org/darkpaper-teleport-revealed/

Bwah-haha-haha1!!!  Well player, sir.   Grin


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Didn't have time to read all his posts. Could you kindly point me to the analysis with scholarly proofs?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

anonymint, your username inspired me to register unicorntesticles.  I feel I have the most awesome domain on the net now.
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Has anybody tried making a whitepaper full of technical nonsense and running an IPO/ICO?  Seems like somebody could make money doing it!

http://www.jl777.org/darkpaper-teleport-revealed/ ?

Bwah-haha-haha1!!!  Well playerd, sir.   Grin

Omitted question mark now inserted.

If verified, no one (including the proprietor) is quite sure if it was intentional or not. Personally I lean to the latter, but bear in mind my right statesticle is ostensibly more colossal than the former.


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Didn't have time to read all his posts. Could you kindly point me to the analysis with scholarly proofs?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

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October 10, 2014, 09:28:47 AM
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I received the above PM from "The Fascist" aka "Anonymint". It seems as if he has also found an exploit.

I have no interest in buying any exploit or any interest in attacking Monero. I am neither for or against the coin.

I do however see a serious flaw inherent to all CN coins with Monero being the focal point.

With this exploit expanding into the wild, holding any sum of funds in XMR you cannot lose is foolish.

I can absolutely guarantee you as soon as this exploit is successfully deployed, every single exchange will halt trading
and there will a lot of people holding coins they cannot trade anywhere.

As Anonymint also indicated, this is indeed a coin killer.


~BCX~

Could there be a major flaw in how these currencies are being used right now? I can imagine a highly likely scenario where surely >50%, and probably much closer to 90% of all the xmr coins ever emitted currently have have moved through one single address?

Additionally, could the percentage of mined coins directly to that exchange address have a strong effect on anything?

Will having likely 90% of all coins ever currently minted using xmr as example, which is 21.37% of all coins that will exist currently routed through a single address, occasionally branching off for one or two transactions before going right back to that address bode well for the cryptographic anonymity provided by ring signatures?

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October 10, 2014, 10:05:55 AM
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I received the above PM from "The Fascist" aka "Anonymint". It seems as if he has also found an exploit.

I have no interest in buying any exploit or any interest in attacking Monero. I am neither for or against the coin.

I do however see a serious flaw inherent to all CN coins with Monero being the focal point.

With this exploit expanding into the wild, holding any sum of funds in XMR you cannot lose is foolish.

I can absolutely guarantee you as soon as this exploit is successfully deployed, every single exchange will halt trading
and there will a lot of people holding coins they cannot trade anywhere.

As Anonymint also indicated, this is indeed a coin killer.


~BCX~

Could there be a major flaw in how these currencies are being used right now? I can imagine a highly likely scenario where surely >50%, and probably much closer to 90% of all the xmr coins ever emitted currently have have moved through one single address?

Additionally, could the percentage of mined coins directly to that exchange address have a strong effect on anything?

Will having likely 90% of all coins ever currently minted using xmr as example, which is 21.37% of all coins that will exist currently routed through a single address, occasionally branching off for one or two transactions before going right back to that address bode well for the cryptographic anonymity provided by ring signatures?


Assuming you are talking about Poloniex, each new deposit of a customer is a new XMR address. And if I am not mistaken there is change address for each succession of withdrawals from users meaning the coins are never always sent from the same XMR address.

Did I miss something here concerning your thoughts?

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I received the above PM from "The Fascist" aka "Anonymint". It seems as if he has also found an exploit.

I have no interest in buying any exploit or any interest in attacking Monero. I am neither for or against the coin.

I do however see a serious flaw inherent to all CN coins with Monero being the focal point.

With this exploit expanding into the wild, holding any sum of funds in XMR you cannot lose is foolish.

I can absolutely guarantee you as soon as this exploit is successfully deployed, every single exchange will halt trading
and there will a lot of people holding coins they cannot trade anywhere.

As Anonymint also indicated, this is indeed a coin killer.


~BCX~

Could there be a major flaw in how these currencies are being used right now? I can imagine a highly likely scenario where surely >50%, and probably much closer to 90% of all the xmr coins ever emitted currently have have moved through one single address?

Additionally, could the percentage of mined coins directly to that exchange address have a strong effect on anything?

Will having likely 90% of all coins ever currently minted using xmr as example, which is 21.37% of all coins that will exist currently routed through a single address, occasionally branching off for one or two transactions before going right back to that address bode well for the cryptographic anonymity provided by ring signatures?


Assuming you are talking about Poloniex, each new deposit of a customer is a new XMR address. And if I am not mistaken there is change address for each succession of withdrawals from users meaning the coins are never always sent from the same XMR address.

Did I miss something here concerning your thoughts?

Yes and no. There is a button to change payment ID but I think they go to the same address. However, on the blockchain they go to different addresses because stealth addresses are always one-time.

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Assuming you are talking about Poloniex, each new deposit of a customer is a new XMR address. And if I am not mistaken there is change address for each succession of withdrawals from users meaning the coins are never always sent from the same XMR address.

Did I miss something here concerning your thoughts?

I was under the impression that the exchange address for plx was the same for everyone, and it was a different txid field that they gave to each person. I'm going off of memory here from when I made a second account there, and I remember the address being the same as on my other account, and only the txid field changed. I could be wrong, but I'll go make some more accounts there now to look.

Maybe, in a sense, when withdrawing from plx to you the address is different becase of stealth addressing, but would having the same private key for that stealth address still have an effect on benefit in the addressing/rs's if the tx came out of that address for one tx, and was sent then to one more address (say someone bought something), and then the money goes right back to the exchange address?

I was just wondering if there was a way to account for that (statistically? some other way?) when looking at the blockchain, and if there were any large resulting effects that could be mediated with having an actual different address rather than just a different txid?

So, if I were poloniex, what mechanism prevents me from looking at the blockchain composed of mostly transactions with me and saying 'that's my mixin' or 'that's not my mixin', at some point in the future?

And it's only at the end of fall, that we discover it was naught but the wind that knew when one particular leaf was to fall from one particular tree, only to land in one distinct spot .. to be left for an eternity, and waste its time in a wait sublime. C0A2A1C4
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October 10, 2014, 11:12:39 AM
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The addresses is a non-issue. There is no connection between different transactions just because they have the same public address (unlinkability).

The issue of someone controlling a huge share of transactions is a real one, and amounts to a form of sybil attack on traceability. Some transactions will become traceable in this manner but transactions with high mixes or multiple hops become effectively untraceable even by someone owning 90% or more of the outputs due to the exponential function.

Also, just as a matter of general privacy, exchange transactions are easily identifiable since they have a payment ID, and many people don't change their payment ID very often, so you can find all their transactions that way. Given this, we can tell that the number of exchange transactions is high but not extremely high. There are still a lot of mining transactions, pool payouts, and other incidental stuff (donations, MEW memberships, private trades, people moving between their own wallets, etc.)

As a second practical matter, I don't think (most?) exchange transactions today even use mixing, so even the sybil attack doesn't apply. That could change the future, although one would hope that there would also be other uses besides sending coins to an exchange constantly, otherwise who even cares.

Finally it is important to remember that unlinkability (stealth) and untracabilty (mixing) work together to frustrate blockchain analysis. Even when you can partially overcome one, the other often makes the results useless. So for example, if you can defeat untracability on some tranasctions, you just get links between anonymous one-time keypairs that don't identify a person or link with other payments to or from that same person. Conversely if you can link some keypairs together, you can construct an "identify" (still not necessarily linked to a person) but you can't see the flow of funds to or from that identify without also defeating untraceability. You really have to defeat both simultaneously on the same set of transactions to get anything useful, and that is much harder.

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