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September 20, 2014, 04:35:27 PM
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I think he didnt tell you everything in that PM

I no longer want to short Monero. You can rest easier. What I found can be fixed (if it isn't already). I believe I found BCX's exploit, although it is possible I found one that is different than his. And I believe he is incorrect about it not being fixable. At first thought, I too also thought it was a "coin killer".

Note I haven't worked through one part of the math so it is still possible that I am incorrect about this being an exploit, but I think I got the key epiphany of the exploit which makes it is possible.

It is also possible that this was already thought of and mitigated. I haven't checked the source code to verify. This is all conceptual at this point.
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September 20, 2014, 04:37:49 PM
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And right after sending that PM, we get this on the forum:

I no longer want to short Monero. You can rest easier. What I found can be fixed (if it isn't already). I believe I found BCX's exploit, although it is possible I found one that is different than his. And I believe he is incorrect about it not being fixable. At first thought, I too also thought it was a "coin killer".

Note I haven't worked through one part of the math so it is still possible that I am incorrect about this being an exploit, but I think I got the key epiphany of the exploit which makes it is possible.

It is also possible that this was already thought of and mitigated. I haven't checked the source code to verify. This is all conceptual at this point.

So there is no Monero coin killer, can we all calm down now?
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September 20, 2014, 04:45:43 PM
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I had a sudden epiphany while at dinner which is BCX's exploit, well at least I can find the i == s and from that it may be possible to factor 'x' the private key.

I am trying to think of a fix. So far I can not think of any fix. I think BCX is correct, this is a coin killer.

I will also be contacting BCX to see if he wants to buy it from me since he wrote publicly that someone offered in 100 BTC for this.

BCX, do you have any interest in buying this from me instead of me selling to James, smooth, or BrilliantRocket?

This quote seems to be kinda incorrect? It is not an publicy avaiable quote, but certainly not a PM, because he talks about you, BCX, in a "third-person-fashion" - not like you are his conservations-partner.

Atleast I would not use his name as someone outside of the conservation like Caesar did with himself

I think BCX is correct, this is a coin killer.

I will also be contacting BCX to see if he wants to buy it from me since he wrote publicly that someone offered in 100 BTC for this.

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September 20, 2014, 04:47:43 PM
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I had a sudden epiphany while at dinner which is BCX's exploit, well at least I can find the i == s and from that it may be possible to factor 'x' the private key.

I am trying to think of a fix. So far I can not think of any fix. I think BCX is correct, this is a coin killer.

I will also be contacting BCX to see if he wants to buy it from me since he wrote publicly that someone offered in 100 BTC for this.

BCX, do you have any interest in buying this from me instead of me selling to James, smooth, or BrilliantRocket?

This quote seems to be kinda incorrect? It is not an publicy avaiable quote, but certainly not a PM, because he talks about you, BCX, in a "third-person-fashion" - not like you are his conservations-partner.

Atleast I would not use his name as someone outside of the conservation like Caesar did with himself

I think BCX is correct, this is a coin killer.

I will also be contacting BCX to see if he wants to buy it from me since he wrote publicly that someone offered in 100 BTC for this.

he may have sent the PM to multiple people...
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September 20, 2014, 04:50:16 PM
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I had a sudden epiphany while at dinner which is BCX's exploit, well at least I can find the i == s and from that it may be possible to factor 'x' the private key.

I am trying to think of a fix. So far I can not think of any fix. I think BCX is correct, this is a coin killer.

I will also be contacting BCX to see if he wants to buy it from me since he wrote publicly that someone offered in 100 BTC for this.

BCX, do you have any interest in buying this from me instead of me selling to James, smooth, or BrilliantRocket?

This quote seems to be kinda incorrect? It is not an publicy avaiable quote, but certainly not a PM, because he talks about you, BCX, in a "third-person-fashion" - not like you are his conservations-partner.

Atleast I would not use his name as someone outside of the conservation like Caesar did with himself

I think BCX is correct, this is a coin killer.

I will also be contacting BCX to see if he wants to buy it from me since he wrote publicly that someone offered in 100 BTC for this.

he may have sent the PM to multiple people...

That's true, but which other people were part of the conversation? BCX could call out this people and they should be able to verify it then.

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September 20, 2014, 04:52:11 PM
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he may have sent the PM to multiple people...

Well whatever the case may be, he declares in PM that it is a coin killer and about 18 minutes later declares publicly that it is mostly no big deal.

Even if the exploit were to be used, it's almost like a zero day where it would be one use and quickly discovered and permanently fixed.
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September 20, 2014, 04:58:34 PM
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BitcoinEXpress: What is the reason for not disclosing your findings to monero devs? From what I understand you are not looking to sell anything. Why keep it to yourself?

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September 20, 2014, 05:01:11 PM
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BitcoinEXpress: What is the reason for not disclosing your findings to monero devs? From what I understand you are not looking to sell anything. Why keep it to yourself?

Because there is no exploit?
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September 20, 2014, 05:02:44 PM
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BitcoinEXpress: What is the reason for not disclosing your findings to monero devs? From what I understand you are not looking to sell anything. Why keep it to yourself?

He is waiting if the great "Bitcoin" team can find it too because they always tell how awesome they are and every other coins are shit.
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September 20, 2014, 05:04:07 PM
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BitcoinEXpress: What is the reason for not disclosing your findings to monero devs? From what I understand you are not looking to sell anything. Why keep it to yourself?

Because there is no exploit?

There is always a exploit in new technology/algorithmen. Especially if you just clone the source code without understanding it.
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September 20, 2014, 05:09:12 PM
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holy smokes, the same shit all over again Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Guys if you seriously even bother discussing the matter with BitcoinEXpress I'm laughing my ass off.

It has been confirmed so many times now that there is *No Exploit* and there has been *No Exploit*, the only matter of fact is that BCX made it all up and is entirely debunked now.

I repeat, for all those that still respected BCX for some reason (totally incomprehensible) have now all the reasons in the world to realize that he's just Mr. Fat Mouth without anything behind his claims whatsoever.

What a fucking fail, BCX. You fail on all levels, the only thing you might have succeeded in is the crash you initiated to buy in Monero as low as possible. Congratulations for being the #1 fail in the crypto world, BCX. Thanks for entertaining us by being an utter asshat.

Time to carry on, Monero doesn't need all of this BCX-wannabe-FUD waste of time...
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September 20, 2014, 05:17:24 PM
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And right after sending that PM, we get this on the forum:

I no longer want to short Monero. You can rest easier. What I found can be fixed (if it isn't already). I believe I found BCX's exploit, although it is possible I found one that is different than his. And I believe he is incorrect about it not being fixable. At first thought, I too also thought it was a "coin killer".

Note I haven't worked through one part of the math so it is still possible that I am incorrect about this being an exploit, but I think I got the key epiphany of the exploit which makes it is possible.

It is also possible that this was already thought of and mitigated. I haven't checked the source code to verify. This is all conceptual at this point.

..and still later we got this:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=786201.msg8900064#msg8900064

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FWIW, I am pretty entertained.  Grin
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September 20, 2014, 05:21:24 PM
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holy smokes, the same shit all over again Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Guys if you seriously even bother discussing the matter with BitcoinEXpress I'm laughing my ass off.

It has been confirmed so many times now that there is *No Exploit* and there has been *No Exploit*, the only matter of fact is that BCX made it all up and is entirely debunked now.

I repeat, for all those that still respected BCX for some reason (totally incomprehensible) have now all the reasons in the world to realize that he's just Mr. Fat Mouth without anything behind his claims whatsoever.

What a fucking fail, BCX. You fail on all levels, the only thing you might have succeeded in is the crash you initiated to buy in Monero as low as possible. Congratulations for being the #1 fail in the crypto world, BCX. Thanks for entertaining us by being an utter asshat.

Time to carry on, Monero doesn't need all of this BCX-wannabe-FUD waste of time...


I did carry on, after I sold all my Monero.....

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September 20, 2014, 05:22:51 PM
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And right after sending that PM, we get this on the forum:

I no longer want to short Monero. You can rest easier. What I found can be fixed (if it isn't already). I believe I found BCX's exploit, although it is possible I found one that is different than his. And I believe he is incorrect about it not being fixable. At first thought, I too also thought it was a "coin killer".

Note I haven't worked through one part of the math so it is still possible that I am incorrect about this being an exploit, but I think I got the key epiphany of the exploit which makes it is possible.

It is also possible that this was already thought of and mitigated. I haven't checked the source code to verify. This is all conceptual at this point.

..and still later we got this:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=786201.msg8900064#msg8900064

I think that link (post) was before both the ones being discussed in this thread, have a look at the times, I'm really tired and might be wrong, so I apologize in advance.
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September 20, 2014, 05:25:27 PM
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he may have sent the PM to multiple people...

Correct. Everyone calm down. I am not even 100% sure if the developers haven't already thought of it and have mitigation already in place.

Relax while we work through it. I doubt it will take a long time.
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September 20, 2014, 05:29:19 PM
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I think that link (post) was before both the ones being discussed in this thread, have a look at the times, I'm really tired and might be wrong, so I apologize in advance.

You appear to be right. Sorry to add to the confusion. It is quite confusing, isn't it.

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