Mybitcointrade.com | High Interest 2.5%-5%/w | 20% on Bonds| AAA- |Since 07/2011

[Retard]

Currently there can be 5.000,00 BTC invested at all!

Remaining an amount of up to 650,11 Bitcoin

Actually we will pay for :
Interest chance every Sunday

Only deposit and open a new saving book, all payouts are 100 % save.

Mybitcointrade.com is celebrating its' first birthday this month:

14 days at a rate of 3.9% (+ 0.00%*)monthly

30 days at a rate of 11.00% (+ 0.00%*)

60 days at a rate of 12.00% (+ 0.00%*)

90 days at a rate of 13.32% (+ 0.00%*)

180 days at a rate of 15.52% (+ 0.00%*)

360 days at a rate of 19.46% (+ 0.00%*)

To open a bank book on mybitcointrade.com, you need at first to add some funds to your account. To do this, just click on "Add Funds", you'll find a bitcoin address, where you can deposit the coins to (It can take up to 15minutes until your coins are added to your account). To invest your bitcoins and create a banking book, just click on "Savings", add the amount of coins you like to invest, choose your duration and finally click the "create" button. When done successfully, your current savings will be displayed with all necessary information.[/center]

Support Forum: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=37320.msg890074#msg890074
Payouts are done fully automated and are (of course) guaranteed.

Pls use the https://Mybitcointrade.com/en/ Website to fund any Coins.

Saving Books https://mybitcointrade.com/en/?content=/sparbuch/sparbuch

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Name of the project:  Mid Term Zig 10.5 - 30 days guarante. Project 18
https://mybitcointrade.com/en/?content=boerse/projekthandel&projektid=18


Distribution of shares:
Limited to 2000 shares, 1 BTC each share
Start of distribution: up from now
Start of payout: 25. July 2012
Dissolution of the fund: 12. nov 2012
Running time: 4 months

Guarantees:
10.5% dividend on the whole running time (guaranteed)+ 2 % Bonus @ the end of the Bond
Buyback for 0.250 BTC / 25% while the running time (guaranteed)
Buyback after the running time for 1.0 BTC / 100% (guaranteed)

Information:
This is a Low risk fond, we guarantee 100% payout. Over the complete time.(4 month)
The shares are distributed at 1.0 BTC, after the distribution the shares are free to trade.
Payouts are done daily, the value of the share on which the dividend depends is fixed at 1.0 BTC.
While the running time (4 months) we guarantee to buy back the shares at 0.125 BTC at anytime.
After the dissolution of the fund, all shares are bought back to the retail price.
We use the shares as an investment capital, NOT IN Pirate Bonds (Low Risk).
The guaranteed buy-back rate will be saved in an offline-wallted and the bitcoins won't be touched by us.
As circumstances require, we'll give out shares or buy them back.
Trading between the users is possible up from the very beginning.
This also includes the issuance and buy-back by us.

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Middle Term Loaning

Good evening, the newest financial figures for the middle term loaning.

Issue of shares
Fixed rate per share: 0.5 BTC

Guarantees
Buyback at 0.125 BTC / 25 % (guaranteed)
Minimum distribution of 1% per week (guaranteed)

Expectations:
Distribution after 4 weeks: 2-3% per week
Distribution after about 4 months: 5% per week

Information:
The shares will have a fixed rate of 0.5 BTC, which will be distributed by us and as circumstances require bought back by us.
We'll use the shares as a find interest, with which we'll be working.
The guaranteed buyback will be saved in an "offline wallet" and stays untouched.
Only when circumstances require we'll give out shares or buy them back.
Trading at a fixed rate of 0.5 BTC is possible. This also includes the issuance and repurchase by us

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ZiggiStars' new project on mybitcointrade:



High Risk Fond

Name of the project:  'Long Term Loaning ZiggiStar 20% / 30days guaranteed' PROJECT 17
https://mybitcointrade.com/en/?content=boerse/projekthandel&projektid=17

Distribution of shares:
Limited to 1000 shares, 1 BTC each share (500 already sold)
Start of distribution: up from noW
Start of payout: 16. July 2012
Dissolution of the fund: 09. Jan 2013
Running time: 6 months

Guarantees:
20% dividend on the whole running time (guaranteed)
Buyback for 0.250 BTC / 25% while the running time (guaranteed)
Buyback after the running time for 1.0 BTC / 100% (guaranteed)

Information:
This is a high risk fond, so if the volume of capital is lost, we can only guarantee 25% payout.
The shares are distributed at 1 BTC, after the distribution the shares are free to trade.
Payouts are done daily, the value of the share on which the dividend depends is fixed at 1 BTC.
While the running time (6 months) we guarantee to buy back the shares at 0.250 BTC at anytime.
After the dissolution of the fund, all shares are bought back to the retail price.
We use the shares as an investment capital, to invest in other funds (high risk). If the foreign fund will fail, we'll pay back 25% of your investment.
The guaranteed buy-back rate will be saved in an offline-wallted and the bitcoins won't be touched by us.
As circumstances require, we'll give out shares or buy them back.
Trading between the users is possible up from the very beginning.
This also includes the issuance and buy-back by us.

PAYOUTS
NOW LISTED UNDER ACCOUNT HISTORY IN YOU Mybitcointrade.com/en Acc.
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Name of Project: Long Term Loaning ZiggiStar 12% / 30 days PROJECT 16
https://mybitcointrade.com/?content=boerse/projekthandel&projektid=16

Share issue:
Price per share: 0.5 BTC
All Shares: 5000
Start of distribution: 09. july(07). 2012
First Payout: 10.July.2012
Dissolution of the fund: 09.july(07). 2013
Duration: 12 months

Guarantees:
Special campaign until 09. Sept. 2012: 12% distribution per month
While and even after the duration, we buy back the shares for 0.125BTC / 25% (guaranteed).
Minimum distribution per month: 4% (guaranteed)
The divident will be decreased by a maximum of 5% per month. (No limitation on increment!)

Expectations:
Distributions starting from 09. Sept. 2012 10% / month*
Distributions starting from 01. March 2013 16% / month*

Information:
The shares are issued at 0.5 BTC, after the issue the shares are free to trade.
Payouts are done daily and the value of the divident is fixed at 0.5 BTC.
While and even after the duration of 12 months, we guarantee to buy back the share at a rate of 0.125 BTC.
The shares are used as an investment capital, to realize other projects.
The coins needed for our guarantees are saved in an offline-wallet and won't be touched by us, this way we'll be able to payout your guarantee at anytime.
As circumstances require, we'll give out shares or buy back them.
Trading user to user is possible up from the very beginning.
This also includes the issuance and buy-back by us.

DAILY automatic payout on account of Mybitcointrade

PAYOUTS
NOW LISTED UNDER ACCOUNT HISTORY IN YOU Mybitcointrade.com/en Acc.


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Dividend payouts for the last 2 month

 
                                    Payout /30 Tage(08)   Payout /60 Tage(07)    price per Share     All Shares    Shares available

Mybitcointrade.com                                7.995339 BTC           8.976663 BTC        0.2 BTC         5000                   3300

BTC-Play.com                                        4.148000 BTC           6.128000 BTC       0.1 BTC         5000                     50

Middle Term Loaning                                7.943463 BTC          13.567727 BTC      0.5 BTC        15000                  14796

BitcoinPara.de                                        5.712300 BTC         --------- BTC         0.1 BTC        10000                  2448

Bitcoin-24                                            10.890000 BTC          18.810000 BTC       0.2 BTC         5000
 
Long Term Zig 12 - 30 days                    120.565375 BTC       216.675231 BTC        0.5 BTC         5000                3035

Long Term Zig 20 - 30 days guarante       170.572748 BTC         295.102457 BTC      1.0 BTC         1000                  0

Mid Term Zig 10.5 - 30 days guarante       9.275822 BTC            9.582722 BTC         1.0 BTC         2000                1845

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more projects coming soon.

I want to give you information about what we are doing with the invested bitcoins and my personal opinion  about the risks of the different fonds.
 

The investment in the banking books are ONLY used for trading and the payout is 100% guaranteed, that means there is no risk left for you as investor.
https://mybitcointrade.com/en/?content=/sparbuch/sparbuch


The investments in "Project 16" are used for trading, but also as investment in low risk fonds. The risk left for the investor is really low.
The amount of the payout isn't fixed, but caused by the trading there are some fluctuations.
https://mybitcointrade.com/en/?content=boerse/projekthandel&projektid=16


The investments in "Project 17" are spitted 50/25/25 into high-risk(Pirate) ,low-risk fonds and Saving books.
There is a risk left for you as investor to lose all the bitcoins, but we minimize it, as we are saving 25% of the investment capital as backup for our investors.
https://mybitcointrade.com/en/?content=boerse/projekthandel&projektid=17

 
The investments in "Project 18" (will start at the weekend) are 100% used for trading.
The risk left is very low (No risk fond) and the payouts and dividents are safe and guaranteed for the whole running time (4months)

   
 
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[Bernd33-1]

Hi,

I have opened 4 saving books and all works well. One is already cashed out and 3 are still running.

Good service and emails will be answered fast.

+1

Greetings, Bernd

[Lord F(r)og]

had two monthly deposits at good rates in there, easy deposit and instant withdrawal through neat interface, no hassles.

[Retard]

Thanks for your statement.

Currently, there are free capacities about ~ 300 BTC.
And a small rate hike.


Greeting

[Otoh]

Thanks for your statement.

Currently, there are free capacities about ~ 300 BTC.
And a small rate hike.


Greeting

Hi Smart, I have filled your 300 BTC capacity by taking out a 60 day savings account @ 8.56% interest/month = 351.36 BTC due 14/7
Many danks  
Otoh

edit: & don't go bloody bailing out Greece with it, however much interest they may be offering on their 10 year bonds


Apparently the favorite joke in Greece now is: the Prime Minister of Germany flies into Athens airport.

"Name?" : "Angela Merkle."

"Occupation?" : "No, no, just visiting."

[Retard]

Laugh ... ok ...

In the coming days but again smaller amounts are released.

[Buckwheet]

I did a 30 day loan and it was paid promptly. Wish there was more capacity!

[Retard]

I did a 30 day loan and it was paid promptly. Wish there was more capacity!

Hi , thanks for the feedback.

a higher capacity is currently not possible.
There is a reserve of 100 coins.

That's all we can offer in the instant.

[Retard]

Our Reserve is now Open.

[der_meister]

Just made 70 btc deposit for 60 days @8,41%/month. Good luck and cheers
TxID - 0de5caced55859c913fd9645abd6fd44ada8b28713e17f9bd67ea75ec69e090f

[Otoh]

& I just snaffled the last 30 BTC of current availability, 60 Days at   
8.41 % (+ 0.15 %) = 8.56% monthly/interest = 35.136 BTC on 24/7/12

Many Danks y Good Glück  

[Raoul Duke]

People around here are eager to get burned.

The dude can't tell the difference between 2.5 and 25 and you going to lend him money? 

Or are you expecting him to mess up the interest payment in your favour?

[Retard]

lol you never make any mistakes ?

People around here are eager to get burned.

The dude can't tell the difference between 2.5 and 25 and you going to lend him money? 

Or are you expecting him to mess up the interest payment in your favour?

[Otoh]

People around here are eager to get burned.

The dude can't tell the difference between 2.5 and 25 and you going to lend him money?  

Or are you expecting him to mess up the interest payment in your favour?

let me know if you'd like to bet on a smart default, atm I have:

Started                       Investment          Time ends at                 Amount to be paid out

16.05.12 - 13:42 Uhr   76,6700 Bitcoin    15.06.12 - 13:42 Uhr     81,9986 Bitcoin
15.05.12 - 15:06 Uhr   300,0000 Bitcoin  14.07.12 - 15:06 Uhr    351,3600 Bitcoin  
18.05.12 - 13:02 Uhr   26,7000 Bitcoin    17.07.12 - 13:02 Uhr     31,2710 Bitcoin
25.05.12 - 20:29 Uhr   30,0000 Bitcoin    24.07.12 - 20:29 Uhr     35,1360 Bitcoin

you can bet on any one or all, these are my first dealings with smart btw, as you're so sure I'd expect that you can offer me good odds & we'll both put the bet money in escrow, otherwise it's just noise

[Retard]

Currently, there are free capacities about ~ 150 BTC.


And we will added a Stock Market  Loaning over the Weekend.
So we can get a Higher capacitie.

Greeting

[bitlane]

WOW....I nearly shat myself (due to the amounts above...HUGE BTC !...lol) until I figured out they use commas instead of decimal points...LMAO

16.05.12 - 13:42 Uhr   76,6700 Bitcoin    15.06.12 - 13:42 Uhr     81,9986 Bitcoin
15.05.12 - 15:06 Uhr   300,0000 Bitcoin  14.07.12 - 15:06 Uhr    351,3600 Bitcoin  
18.05.12 - 13:02 Uhr   26,7000 Bitcoin    17.07.12 - 13:02 Uhr     31,2710 Bitcoin
25.05.12 - 20:29 Uhr   30,0000 Bitcoin    24.07.12 - 20:29 Uhr     35,1360 Bitcoin

FTFY

16.05.12 - 13:42 Uhr   76.6700 Bitcoin    15.06.12 - 13:42 Uhr     81.9986 Bitcoin
15.05.12 - 15:06 Uhr   300.0000 Bitcoin  14.07.12 - 15:06 Uhr    351.3600 Bitcoin  
18.05.12 - 13:02 Uhr   26.7000 Bitcoin    17.07.12 - 13:02 Uhr     31.2710 Bitcoin
25.05.12 - 20:29 Uhr   30.0000 Bitcoin    24.07.12 - 20:29 Uhr     35.1360 Bitcoin

Certain areas of the world confuse me with their use of commas rather than decimals/periods.....Who does this and why ?
(I am not smart enough to know which area of the world does this....LOL)

One BTC = 1.00 BTC
One Thousand BTC = 1,000 BTC

What does ONE Million look like when you type it ? (as I use 1,000,000 for one milllion)

I just checked my calculator and I can't seem to find the comma button

[Retard]

The expenditure has been adjusted.

http://imm.io/rjl5

[Retard]

Everyone happy ?

With the interest ?

The height of the investment ?


Any Wishes ?

[Retard]

Currently Pause

we added a Loaning Bond because our saving book is continuous full .

Payout of the dividend (min 2% / week ) is every Sunday at 00:00 am automaticly. With the surplus, we pay out larger dividends or buy back shares to 0.5 BTC
You can hold or sell your shares.

We buy your shares for at least 0,125 BTC while the running time (max. buybackrate is 0,20 BTC).

This will be a Middle Term investigation.

Payout are automaticly and 25% guaranteed !

[Retard]

Offer will be chance Tomorrow.

It will be attractive..

[Retard]

Middle Term Loaning

Good evening, the newest financial figures for the middle term loaning.

Issue of shares
Fixed rate per share: 0.5 BTC

Guarantees
Buyback at 0.125 BTC / 25 % (guaranteed)
Minimum distribution of 1% per week (guaranteed)

Expectations:
Distribution after 4 weeks: 2-3% per week
Distribution after about 4 months: 5% per week

Information:
The shares will have a fixed rate of 0.5 BTC, which will be distributed by us and as circumstances require bought back by us.
We'll use the shares as a find interest, with which we'll be working.
The guaranteed buyback will be saved in an "offline wallet" and stays untouched.
Only when circumstances require we'll give out shares or buy them back.
Trading at a fixed rate of 0.5 BTC is possible. This also includes the issuance and repurchase by us

[Retard]

Over the weekend, we established a new fond, information are to follow in this post. Besides these major updates, we also increased the limit for our investment plan to a maximum of 3000 BTC, which will probably please some of our customers. All this is possible, since we could get a higher amount of investment capital by a new partnership.

We are also proud of announcing some more features, which will be avaible this week.

We'll set up an online live-chat, to which you are all invited to.

We're also working on an update for the statistics of the IPOs, which we hope will be clearer and easier to maintain for our customers.




https://mybitcointrade.com/?content=boerse/projekthandel&projektid=16
Name of Project: Long Term Loaning ZiggiStar 12% / 30 days

Share issue:

Price per share: 0.5 BTC
All Shares: 5000
Start of distribution: 09. july(07). 2012
First Payout: 10.July.2012
Dissolution of the fund: 09.july(07). 2013
Duration: 12 months

Guarantees:
Special campaign until 09. Sept. 2012: 12% distribution per month
While and even after the duration, we buy back the shares for 0.125BTC / 25% (guaranteed).
Minimum distribution per month: 4% (guaranteed)
The divident will be decreased by a maximum of 5% per month. (No limitation on increment!)

Expectations:
Distributions starting from 09. Sept. 2012 10% / month*
Distributions starting from 01. March 2013 16% / month*

Information:
The shares are issued at 0.5 BTC, after the issue the shares are free to trade.
Payouts are done daily and the value of the divident is fixed at 0.5 BTC.
While and even after the duration of 12 months, we guarantee to buy back the share at a rate of 0.125 BTC.
The shares are used as an investment capital, to realize other projects.
The coins needed for our guarantees are saved in an offline-wallet and won't be touched by us, this way we'll be able to payout your guarantee at anytime.
As circumstances require, we'll give out shares or buy back them.
Trading user to user is possible up from the very beginning.
This also includes the issuance and buy-back by us.

DAILY automatic payout on account of Mybitcointrade

more projects coming soon.

[Retard]

Mybitcointrade is celebrating its' first birthday this month and so we'll increase the rate of our bitcoin banking book for only a short duration 3 Weeks Until 01/08/12 to:

20 days at a rate of 3.33% (+ 0.00%*)

30 days at a rate of 9.00% (+ 0.00%*)

60 days at a rate of 10.00% (+ 0.00%*)

To open a bank book on mybitcointrade.com, you need at first to add some funds to your account. To do this, just click on "Add Funds", you'll find a bitcoin address, where you can deposit the coins to (It can take up to 15minutes until your coins are added to your account). To invest your bitcoins and create a banking book, just click on "Savings", add the amount of coins you like to invest, choose your duration and finally click the "create" button. When done successfully, your current savings will be displayed with all necessary information.

All guarantees are verified and confirmed by Mybitcointrade

[Ocean6]

Cannot get past the Terms and Conditions acceptance on your site in English or German.

The choice will not register.

Running Google Chrome.

[Ocean6]

Cannot change password in Chrome, and cannot get IE to translate to English.

Please cancel my account.

Let me know when you have the problems for Chrome fixed.

[Retard]

Only Chrome make this problem. we fix it asap

the site is translatet to English you can change the language (top right the Flag)
or direcly

https://mybitcointrade.com/en/


smart

[Retard]

The First 10 PPl they send me a PM and Deposit more then 50 BTC on her Account on https://mybitcointrade.com/en/ to open a Saving book got:

10 % on 30 days
11 % on 60 days.

1.Deposit Btc on your account.
2.Send pm to me and wait comfirmation.
if i say you can open the saving book "open saveing book"

Best Regards.


EDIT: 6 Left
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[Retard]

Push


the last 2 investors in Saving books (over 50btc) get 10 % on 30 and 11% on 60 days.

[Retard]

High Risk Fond

Name of the project:  'Long Term Loaning ZiggiStar 20% / 30days guaranteed' PROJECT 17
https://mybitcointrade.com/en/?content=boerse/projekthandel&projektid=17

Distribution of shares:
Limited to 1000 shares, 1 BTC each share (500 already sold)
Start of distribution: up from noW
Start of payout: 16. July 2012]  STARTED TODAY
Dissolution of the fund: 09. Jan 2013
Running time: 6 months

Guarantees:
20% dividend on the whole running time (guaranteed)
Buyback for 0.250 BTC / 25% while the running time (guaranteed)
Buyback after the running time for 1.0 BTC / 100% (guaranteed)

Information:
This is a high risk fond, so if the volume of capital is lost, we can only guarantee 25% payout.
The shares are distributed at 1 BTC, after the distribution the shares are free to trade.
Payouts are done daily, the value of the share on which the dividend depends is fixed at 1 BTC.
While the running time (6 months) we guarantee to buy back the shares at 0.250 BTC at anytime.
After the dissolution of the fund, all shares are bought back to the retail price.
We use the shares as an investment capital, to invest in other funds (high risk). If the foreign fund will fail, we'll pay back 25% of your investment.
The guaranteed buy-back rate will be saved in an offline-wallted and the bitcoins won't be touched by us.
As circumstances require, we'll give out shares or buy them back.
Trading between the users is possible up from the very beginning.
This also includes the issuance and buy-back by us.

PAYMENT DAILY !!! Later Weekly !!!

PAYOUTS
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B-vakEcyrGk5ZDNvdERiMGxJM2s

[Retard]

Push


the last 2 investors in Saving books (over 50btc) get 10 % on 30 and 11% on 60 days.

One Left

[Otoh]

Just to report that I lent smart1985 300 BTC @ 8.56% per month for 60 days on 2012 05 15 & received back today 351.36 BTC, when I lent the bitcoin price was $4.96 & it is now $7.60 so an appreciation of 53% + on top of the 51.36 BTC interest, many thanks smart1985 I look forward to doing more business with you (I have 7 loans still running with him atm) - recommended!  

Just one request, that the payout address (withdrawal address) was locked in when the deposit was made, or for the account as a whole & unchangeable except by some 2FA, a PIN on the site or manually by registering previously an email address & Skype address plus secret question or something for the site owner to personally confirm before allowing any change.

[Retard]

Ty for feedback Otoh, we will se what we can do to make it better.

Problem here in the En Forum is ppl dont trust my Site its hard.


best Regards
Smart

[Otoh]

Ty for feedback Otoh, we will se what we can do to make it better.

Problem here in the En Forum is ppl dont trust my Site its hard.


best Regards
Smart

np, yw, yep I'm sure it's hard to break in to, but any hot wallet site needs 2FA imo &/or irrevocable withdrawal addresses.

[dark_silverstar]

i like the idea secret question and pin number for withdrawal request

[vokain]

what is the extent of your professional relationship with ziggistar?

[Retard]

what is the extent of your professional relationship with ziggistar?

I'm working together with ZiggiStar for a long time now. We have a professional relationship and helping each other where we can. I offered ZiggiStar to list his projects on mybitcointrade.com, so he could save some work on payouts and accounting. With his projects on mybitcointrade.com, he could use our feature of full-automated payout and all the other features. We trust each other 100% and mybitcointrade is fully responsible for ZiggiStars' listed projects.

regards smart

[support_en.mybitcointrade]

Hi,

my name is Simon and I'm new in the team of mybitcointrade.com.
I'm in the team as english spoken user support and I'm here to clarify your questions and/or to solve your problems related to mybitcointrade.
Feel free to add me in Skype or to leave me a private message here in the forum.

Don't forget what we all learned in school: "there are no dumb questions"
I will try to take myself enough time for everyone and for every question.

Hope to help you soon
Simon (Mybitcointrade.com Support)

[vokain]

Reporting that ziggistar utilizes smart's payout system as expected. Everyday so far (3?) I get ~.002 btcs per share that I have in one fund, and ~.006/share in another fund. Ziggi and Smart have so far been very accommodating in following up to any of my inquiries. I guess if you guys had questions like I did (and I had a TON), message them. I don't know, this is my experience of things so far, but they'll still have to work on gaining my full confidence.

Just a few site errors I'd like to point out:

Can you make it so when you switch languages to English, that it stays in english? What I probably mean is making languages a user setting instead of a site setting which can revert when revisiting the URL.

the styling breaks at the bottom of the page (in Chrome)
http://s18.postimage.org/qphzfydih/Screen_Shot_2012_07_17_at_1_09_00_PM.png

"BTC Project Exchance" on the left is incorrectly spelled. Should be 'Exchange'

the logout link doesn't work for the english version, but at the moment it's not a big deal to switch back to Deutsche and log out. " https://mybitcointrade.com/en/?content=/intern/startseite&logout=true "

Also, what is up with the one-week withdraw security restriction for new accounts? I don't have to do to that for any of my other accounts at other sites.

[support_en.mybitcointrade]

I guess if you guys had questions like I did (and I had a TON), message them. I don't know, this is my experience of things so far, but they'll still have to work on gaining my full confidence.

Please don't hesitate to ask me any of your questions. I'm avaible in Skype (see my profile) or just leave me a private message here in the forum.

Can you make it so when you switch languages to English, that it stays in english? What I probably mean is making languages a user setting instead of a site setting which can revert when revisiting the URL.

This is a known issue, on which we are currently working. At least it will be fixed with mybitcointrade 2.0, which is going to be online at the end of the year. Please try to handle the little problem manually so long.

the styling breaks at the bottom of the page (in Chrome)
http://s18.postimage.org/qphzfydih/Screen_Shot_2012_07_17_at_1_09_00_PM.png

We know about that issue with Google Chrome and we are currently working on it. Thanks for the reply anyway.

"BTC Project Exchance" on the left is incorrectly spelled. Should be 'Exchange'

Thanks for reporting, will be changed.

the logout link doesn't work for the english version, but at the moment it's not a big deal to switch back to Deutsche and log out. " https://mybitcointrade.com/en/?content=/intern/startseite&logout=true "

Known issue, but thanks for reporting in. We are currently working on it.

Also, what is up with the one-week withdraw security restriction for new accounts? I don't have to do to that for any of my other accounts at other sites.

This is a security measure, which is also stated in the TOS:

§ 5 - Withdrawals
Immediately after registration, withdrawals are blocked max for seven days. Users may have their bitcoins paid out their bitcoin wallet.

It's not just you, but every one else who also got this restriction.

[Tril]

I don't know German. Thanks for work to correct the errors.  In addition to those errors, I have these questions about the site, being from the USA I do not know these phrases:

What is a Börse?
What is a Bank Book?

[Retard]

I don't know German. Thanks for work to correct the errors.  In addition to those errors, I have these questions about the site, being from the USA I do not know these phrases:

What is a Börse?
What is a Bank Book?

Börse = stock market
Bank Book = this is our Saving book. you pay Btc in and after 30,60 days you got you btc with dividend back. the payout is 100% guaranteed and automatically to your mybitcointrade.com account, we use the btc ONLY for trading. no investment in bonds

regards
smart

[bulanula]

Are these investments exposed at all to pirateat40 and his BTC Savings and Trust operation ?

Good luck with your venture !

[Retard]

Are these investments exposed at all to pirateat40 and his BTC Savings and Trust operation ?

Good luck with your venture !

no investment in bonds.
this coins are only used for trading.

best regards.

[Retard]

amounts over 250 BTC will get a bonus.

Currently there can be 4.500,00 BTC invested at all!

Remaining an amount of up to 642,30 Bitcoin

Actually we will pay for :
Interest chance every Sunday

Mybitcointrade.com is celebrating its' first birthday this month and so we'll increase the rate of our bitcoin banking book for only a short duration to:

20 days at a rate of 3.33% (+ 0.00%*)

30 days at a rate of 9.00% (+ 0.00%*)

60 days at a rate of 10.00% (+ 0.00%*)



To open a bank book on mybitcointrade.com, you need at first to add some funds to your account. To do this, just click on "Add Funds", you'll find a bitcoin address, where you can deposit the coins to (It can take up to 15minutes until your coins are added to your account). To invest your bitcoins and create a banking book, just click on "Savings", add the amount of coins you like to invest, choose your duration and finally click the "create" button. When done successfully, your current savings will be displayed with all necessary information.

[PatrickHarnett]

Are these investments exposed at all to pirateat40 and his BTC Savings and Trust operation ?

Good luck with your venture !

no investment in bonds.
this coins are only used for trading.

best regards.

Please clarify.  bulanula's question includes bonds and passthrough schemes that may be exposed to BS&T.

[Retard]

oh excuse that I had misunderstood, in the course of the day we will post a disclosure on the use of risk in connection with the investent each.

smart

[runeks]

I just deposited 10 BTC to my account on mybitcointrade.com. "Current account balance" says 10 BTC. I'd like to get the guaranteed 30-day 9% deposit rate. How do I do this? Do I have to buy something under "Shares / IPO`s" or is it enough that the money is sitting in my account?

[Otoh]

I just deposited 10 BTC to my account on mybitcointrade.com. "Current account balance" says 10 BTC. I'd like to get the guaranteed 30-day 9% deposit rate. How do I do this? Do I have to buy something under "Shares / IPO`s" or is it enough that the money is sitting in my account?

this is what I do, at the base of the Savings page you will see 'Open a new bankbook' put the quantity of bitcoins you wish to lend in the Investment box & Choose duration carefully to make sure you get it right, then press create & voila! It will show in Your bankbooks (loans) above with repayment date, amount due, rate, etc

[runeks]

^ Thanks a lot! I hadn't seen that link.

[Retard]

Ty, otoh for helping

if you have questions so please write us.

[Retard]

Short News*

Invest your surplus bitcoin in our bankbook. Cashout guaranteed!

Currently it's possible 5.000,00 to invest !

Remaining an amount of up to 1.005,50 Bitcoin

amounts over 250 BTC will get a bonus.

20 Days at 3.33 % monthly/interest
   
30 Days at 9.00 % monthly/interest
   
60 Days at 10.00 % monthly/interest
   

payouts are done fully automated and are (of course) guaranteed.

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High Risk Fond

Name of the project:  'Long Term Loaning ZiggiStar 20% / 30days guaranteed' PROJECT 17
https://mybitcointrade.com/en/?content=boerse/projekthandel&projektid=17

Distribution of shares:
Limited to 1000 shares, 1 BTC each share (Shares to sell: 226 -- Shares are sold: 774)
Start of distribution: up from noW
Start of payout: 16. July 2012
Dissolution of the fund: 09. Jan 2013
Running time: 6 months

Guarantees:
20% dividend on the whole running time (guaranteed)
Buyback for 0.250 BTC / 25% while the running time (guaranteed)
Buyback after the running time for 1.0 BTC / 100% (guaranteed)
Daily Payouts
For more informations look first post

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Low Risk Fond

Name of Project: Long Term Loaning ZiggiStar 12% / 30 days PROJECT 16
https://mybitcointrade.com/?content=boerse/projekthandel&projektid=16

Share issue:
Price per share: 0.5 BTC
All Shares: 5000 (Shares to sell: 3130 -- Shares are sold: 1870)
Start of distribution: 09. july(07). 2012
First Payout: 10.July.2012
Dissolution of the fund: 09.july(07). 2013
Duration: 12 months

Guarantees:
Special campaign until 09. Sept. 2012: 12% distribution per month
While and even after the duration, we buy back the shares for 0.125BTC / 25% (guaranteed).
Minimum distribution per month: 4% (guaranteed)
The divident will be decreased by a maximum of 5% per month. (No limitation on increment!)
For more informations look first post

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Best Regards
Smart

[Retard]

The next 8 users got a bonus on all my saving books.

https://mybitcointrade.com/en/?content=/sparbuch/sparbuch


30 Days at 9.50 % monthly/interest
   
60 Days at 10.50 % monthly/interest


Only deposit and open a new saving book

[Retard]

I want to give you information about what we are doing with the invested bitcoins and my personal opinion  about the risks of the different fonds.
 

The investment in the banking books are ONLY used for trading and the payout is 100% guaranteed, that means there is no risk left for you as investor.
https://mybitcointrade.com/en/?content=/sparbuch/sparbuch


The investments in "Project 16" are used for trading, but also as investment in low risk fonds. The risk left for the investor is really low.
The amount of the payout isn't fixed, but caused by the trading there are some fluctuations.
https://mybitcointrade.com/en/?content=boerse/projekthandel&projektid=16


The investments in "Project 17" are spitted 50/25/25 into high-risk(Pirate) ,low-risk fonds and Saving books.
There is a risk left for you as investor to lose all the bitcoins, but we minimize it, as we are saving 25% of the investment capital as backup for our investors.
https://mybitcointrade.com/en/?content=boerse/projekthandel&projektid=17

 
The investments in "Project 18" (will start at the weekend) are 100% used for trading.
The risk left is very low (No risk fond) and the payouts and dividents are safe and guaranteed for the whole running time (4months)

 

We also want to announce, that up from next month ZiggiStar will be completely integrated in our team and projects. Besides this, we're happy that ZiggiStar got an AAA- rating from PatrickHarnett in following thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=81542.0

ZiggiStar          2.00%          9.0%          Apr-12          AAA-


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BONUS

The next 8 users got a bonus on all my saving books.

https://mybitcointrade.com/en/?content=/sparbuch/sparbuch


30 Days at 9.50 % monthly/interest
   
60 Days at 10.50 % monthly/interest


Only deposit and open a new saving book



If there are any questions left regarding the fonds, please just ask.

regards
smart

[Retard]

Name of the project:  Mid Term Zig 10.5 - 30 days guarante. Project 18
https://mybitcointrade.com/en/?content=boerse/projekthandel&projektid=18

No Risk Fond

Distribution of shares:
Limited to 2000 shares, 1 BTC each share
Start of distribution: up from now
Start of payout: 25. July 2012
Dissolution of the fund: 12. nov 2012
Running time: 4 months

Guarantees:
10.5% dividend on the whole running time (guaranteed)+ 2 % Bonus @ the end of the Bond
Buyback for 0.250 BTC / 25% while the running time (guaranteed)
Buyback after the running time for 1.0 BTC / 100% (guaranteed)

Information:
This is a no risk fond, we guarantee 100% payout. Over the complete time.(4 month)
The shares are distributed at 1.0 BTC, after the distribution the shares are free to trade.
Payouts are done daily, the value of the share on which the dividend depends is fixed at 1.0 BTC.
While the running time (4 months) we guarantee to buy back the shares at 0.125 BTC at anytime.
After the dissolution of the fund, all shares are bought back to the retail price.
We use the shares as an investment capital, NOT IN Pirate Bonds (ONLY FOR TRADING) (Low Risk).
The guaranteed buy-back rate will be saved in an offline-wallted and the bitcoins won't be touched by us.
As circumstances require, we'll give out shares or buy them back.
Trading between the users is possible up from the very beginning.
This also includes the issuance and buy-back by us.
Daily Payouts

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Push

[der_meister]

My 70 btc/60 days deposit finished, I withdrew interest and redeposit the principal for 30 days@9%. Everything is fine. Thanks

[Chefnet]

I have deposit over months now up to severl 100's of bitcoins without any problem. Thank you.

[Retard]

We work on the page, so the page is in mainentence mode now. back in the next hours.

[Retard]

Push

[vokain]

Hello smart,
any information regarding the redesign such as when and what new features will arrive?

[Micon]

This is a ponzi scheme and I want a date-stamped post by me exposing it before it's collapse.

[DeaDTerra]

This is a ponzi scheme and I want a date-stamped post by me exposing it before it's collapse.

Please provide any kind of proof of this theory
//DeaDTerra

[support_en.mybitcointrade]

Hello smart,
any information regarding the redesign such as when and what new features will arrive?

The new design (or better said a complete new version of the website) will be online in the next months, its' currently under development.
Yes there will be some new features and tweaks, they'll be announced in the future, but for now they stay our secret

[Micon]

This is a ponzi scheme and I want a date-stamped post by me exposing it before it's collapse.

Please provide any kind of proof of this theory
//DeaDTerra

Zero business unit of any kind, huge interest promised, and this page:

https://mybitcointrade.com/en/?content=/intern/faqs

if you deny this is a clear-cut, classic ponzi with the above evidence and this entire thread I can't do nothin' else for ya'

[DeaDTerra]

This is a ponzi scheme and I want a date-stamped post by me exposing it before it's collapse.

Please provide any kind of proof of this theory
//DeaDTerra

Zero business unit of any kind, huge interest promised, and this page:

https://mybitcointrade.com/en/?content=/intern/faqs

if you deny this is a clear-cut, classic ponzi with the above evidence and this entire thread I can't do nothin' else for ya'

You said a sentence, that's not proof my friend
That's a statement.
How do you know there's Zero business?
There are huge interest promises but also huge risks, they never state that you will get back the full sum in fact they state that only 25% is guaranteed back. They are doing speculation trading, which is high risk high reward.
I can also add that I have talked to the owner of the IPOs and received a scan image of his passport
I am sure everyone can make their own decisions with the information available, there's no need for you to go and scream ponzi everywhere you think it applies.
//DeaDTerra

[Retard]

500 Userlimit is break today.



the next 10 users got

9.5 % on 30 days and
10.5% on 60 days.

on our saving books

have a nice day.

[Retard]

500 Userlimit is break today.



the next 10 users got

9.5 % on 30 days and
10.5% on 60 days.

on our saving books

have a nice day.

Last 6 users

[Retard]

push

[Micon]

This is a ponzi scheme and I want a date-stamped post by me exposing it before it's collapse.

Please provide any kind of proof of this theory
//DeaDTerra

Zero business unit of any kind, huge interest promised, and this page:

https://mybitcointrade.com/en/?content=/intern/faqs

if you deny this is a clear-cut, classic ponzi with the above evidence and this entire thread I can't do nothin' else for ya'

You said a sentence, that's not proof my friend
That's a statement.
How do you know there's Zero business?
There are huge interest promises but also huge risks, they never state that you will get back the full sum in fact they state that only 25% is guaranteed back. They are doing speculation trading, which is high risk high reward.
I can also add that I have talked to the owner of the IPOs and received a scan image of his passport
I am sure everyone can make their own decisions with the information available, there's no need for you to go and scream ponzi everywhere you think it applies.
//DeaDTerra

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme

Typically extraordinary returns are promised on the investment,[5] and vague verbal constructions such as "hedge futures trading," "high-yield investment programs", "offshore investment" might be used. The promoter sells shares to investors by taking advantage of a lack of investor knowledge or competence, or using claims of a proprietary investment strategy which must be kept secret to ensure a competitive edge.

from the OP:

High Risk Fond

Name of the project:  'Long Term Loaning ZiggiStar 20% / 30days guaranteed' PROJECT 17
https://mybitcointrade.com/en/?content=boerse/projekthandel&projektid=17


he didn't even spell Fund correctly.  Are you guys still serious?  I feel like I'm in the Truman show and this entire board is fucking with me. 

[Otoh]

Many thanks to Smart for today's interest & funds returned from a 60 day loan @ 1.975% per week, 250 BTC @ $5.40 = $1,351 in & 292.80 BTC @ $9.30 = $2,723 out, a nice 100% + return in under 2 months 

I believe that I documented my loans to Smart in full a month or 2 back on this thread

[Retard]

Ty Otoh for feedback.

[support_en.mybitcointrade]

Hi there,

we're happy to introduce you our new service: The chatsystem (shoutbox). It allows the users to instant communicate between each other and probably invites to some talkingt about mybitcointrade. We hope that you all like our new service and will use it. It should run stable, but if you have any problems with the chat, please report int.
We also added the feature to stay anonymous in the chat, you can hide your nick for others while chatting. To stay anonymous, just enable this option in your userprofile.

Besides this new feature, there is a new saving option, wich will give you 11% interest for 90 days.

Enjoy your stay on mybitcointrade
Simon

[support_en.mybitcointrade]

We have some new saving options for you.
Here to follow:

8% interest for 14 days runningtime.
9% interest for 30 days runningtime.
10% interest for 60 days runningtime.
11% interest for 90 days runningtime.
12.5% interest for 120 days runningtime.
20% interest for 360 days runningtime.

Currently over 1200 BTC can still be invested ( 02. Aug. 2012 )

[Retard]

Update *Firstpage*

[Retard]

Update Interest Rates

4.5% interest for 14 days runningtime.
10% interest for 30 days runningtime.
11% interest for 60 days runningtime.
12% interest for 90 days runningtime.
13.5% interest for 180 days runningtime.
20% interest for 360 days runningtime.

Best Regards
Smart

[Retard]

push

[Retard]

*Update* first post

[JoelKatz]

This seems remarkably similar to Stock Generation. I was kind of sad to see that go, so this has a pleasant nostalgic feeling to me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_Generation

[softwareseller]

Currently there can be 5.000,00 BTC invested at all!

Remaining an amount of up to 1940,30 Bitcoin

Actually we will pay for :
Interest chance every Sunday

Only deposit and open a new saving book

Mybitcointrade.com is celebrating its' first birthday this month and so we'll increase the rate of our bitcoin banking book for only a short duration to:

14 days at a rate of 4.5% (+ 0.00%*)monthly

30 days at a rate of 10.00% (+ 0.00%*)

60 days at a rate of 11.00% (+ 0.00%*)

90 days at a rate of 12.00% (+ 0.00%*)

180 days at a rate of 13.50% (+ 0.00%*)

360 days at a rate of 20.00% (+ 0.00%*)


To open a bank book on mybitcointrade.com, you need at first to add some funds to your account. To do this, just click on "Add Funds", you'll find a bitcoin address, where you can deposit the coins to (It can take up to 15minutes until your coins are added to your account). To invest your bitcoins and create a banking book, just click on "Savings", add the amount of coins you like to invest, choose your duration and finally click the "create" button. When done successfully, your current savings will be displayed with all necessary information.

Support Forum: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=37320.msg890074#msg890074
Payouts are done fully automated and are (of course) guaranteed.

Pls use the https://Mybitcointrade.com/en/ Website to fund any Coins.

Saving Books https://mybitcointrade.com/en/?content=/sparbuch/sparbuch

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Name of the project:  Mid Term Zig 10.5 - 30 days guarante. Project 18
https://mybitcointrade.com/en/?content=boerse/projekthandel&projektid=18


Distribution of shares:
Limited to 2000 shares, 1 BTC each share
Start of distribution: up from now
Start of payout: 25. July 2012
Dissolution of the fund: 12. nov 2012
Running time: 4 months

Guarantees:
10.5% dividend on the whole running time (guaranteed)+ 2 % Bonus @ the end of the Bond
Buyback for 0.250 BTC / 25% while the running time (guaranteed)
Buyback after the running time for 1.0 BTC / 100% (guaranteed)

Information:
This is a Low risk fond, we guarantee 100% payout. Over the complete time.(4 month)
The shares are distributed at 1.0 BTC, after the distribution the shares are free to trade.
Payouts are done daily, the value of the share on which the dividend depends is fixed at 1.0 BTC.
While the running time (4 months) we guarantee to buy back the shares at 0.125 BTC at anytime.
After the dissolution of the fund, all shares are bought back to the retail price.
We use the shares as an investment capital, NOT IN Pirate Bonds (Low Risk).
The guaranteed buy-back rate will be saved in an offline-wallted and the bitcoins won't be touched by us.
As circumstances require, we'll give out shares or buy them back.
Trading between the users is possible up from the very beginning.
This also includes the issuance and buy-back by us.

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Middle Term Loaning

Good evening, the newest financial figures for the middle term loaning.

Issue of shares
Fixed rate per share: 0.5 BTC

Guarantees
Buyback at 0.125 BTC / 25 % (guaranteed)
Minimum distribution of 1% per week (guaranteed)

Expectations:
Distribution after 4 weeks: 2-3% per week
Distribution after about 4 months: 5% per week

Information:
The shares will have a fixed rate of 0.5 BTC, which will be distributed by us and as circumstances require bought back by us.
We'll use the shares as a find interest, with which we'll be working.
The guaranteed buyback will be saved in an "offline wallet" and stays untouched.
Only when circumstances require we'll give out shares or buy them back.
Trading at a fixed rate of 0.5 BTC is possible. This also includes the issuance and repurchase by us

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ZiggiStars' new project on mybitcointrade:



High Risk Fond

Name of the project:  'Long Term Loaning ZiggiStar 20% / 30days guaranteed' PROJECT 17
https://mybitcointrade.com/en/?content=boerse/projekthandel&projektid=17

Distribution of shares:
Limited to 1000 shares, 1 BTC each share (500 already sold)
Start of distribution: up from noW
Start of payout: 16. July 2012
Dissolution of the fund: 09. Jan 2013
Running time: 6 months

Guarantees:
20% dividend on the whole running time (guaranteed)
Buyback for 0.250 BTC / 25% while the running time (guaranteed)
Buyback after the running time for 1.0 BTC / 100% (guaranteed)

Information:
This is a high risk fond, so if the volume of capital is lost, we can only guarantee 25% payout.
The shares are distributed at 1 BTC, after the distribution the shares are free to trade.
Payouts are done daily, the value of the share on which the dividend depends is fixed at 1 BTC.
While the running time (6 months) we guarantee to buy back the shares at 0.250 BTC at anytime.
After the dissolution of the fund, all shares are bought back to the retail price.
We use the shares as an investment capital, to invest in other funds (high risk). If the foreign fund will fail, we'll pay back 25% of your investment.
The guaranteed buy-back rate will be saved in an offline-wallted and the bitcoins won't be touched by us.
As circumstances require, we'll give out shares or buy them back.
Trading between the users is possible up from the very beginning.
This also includes the issuance and buy-back by us.

PAYOUTS
NOW LISTED UNDER ACCOUNT HISTORY IN YOU Mybitcointrade.com/en Acc.
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Name of Project: Long Term Loaning ZiggiStar 12% / 30 days PROJECT 16
https://mybitcointrade.com/?content=boerse/projekthandel&projektid=16

Share issue:
Price per share: 0.5 BTC
All Shares: 5000
Start of distribution: 09. july(07). 2012
First Payout: 10.July.2012
Dissolution of the fund: 09.july(07). 2013
Duration: 12 months

Guarantees:
Special campaign until 09. Sept. 2012: 12% distribution per month
While and even after the duration, we buy back the shares for 0.125BTC / 25% (guaranteed).
Minimum distribution per month: 4% (guaranteed)
The divident will be decreased by a maximum of 5% per month. (No limitation on increment!)

Expectations:
Distributions starting from 09. Sept. 2012 10% / month*
Distributions starting from 01. March 2013 16% / month*

Information:
The shares are issued at 0.5 BTC, after the issue the shares are free to trade.
Payouts are done daily and the value of the divident is fixed at 0.5 BTC.
While and even after the duration of 12 months, we guarantee to buy back the share at a rate of 0.125 BTC.
The shares are used as an investment capital, to realize other projects.
The coins needed for our guarantees are saved in an offline-wallet and won't be touched by us, this way we'll be able to payout your guarantee at anytime.
As circumstances require, we'll give out shares or buy back them.
Trading user to user is possible up from the very beginning.
This also includes the issuance and buy-back by us.

DAILY automatic payout on account of Mybitcointrade

PAYOUTS
NOW LISTED UNDER ACCOUNT HISTORY IN YOU Mybitcointrade.com/en Acc.

more projects coming soon.

   
 
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Update. First post

[Eisenhower34]

Im not sure but how can you pay 20% per month for a year without investing into pirate...

[JoelKatz]

Im not sure but how can you pay 20% per month for a year without investing into pirate...

I guess you're not familiar with Stock Generation. This looks like the same setup. You pay 20% per month for a few months using your deposits to fund the payouts and strongly encouraging reinvestment. Then, you close down all the funds with guaranteed high rates (or just don't offer them), offering people to either get into non-guaranteed funds at no loss or to take the 75% haircut to cash out. Either way, you make money. Then you just tell everyone in the non-guaranteed funds that you're very sorry but they lost everything. As was made clear, it's risky.

In effect, this can be a Ponzi scheme and can take everyone's money without ever breaching one promise they made. All they've promised is that you might make a lot of profit and that your losses are capped at 75%. It's basically like a casino -- all they're saying is that you might make money and you might lose money. The difference is, they've made no clear disclosure of under what conditions you make and which you lose. It's probably safe to assume you make money when that's profitable for them and you lose money when that's profitable for them.

You will continue to make money so long as their deposits continue to increase. Then they'll buy everyone out for just 25% and keep around 75% of current deposits.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_Generation

The folks at Stock Generation lost in court due to a very slight miscalculation. If these guys learned from that, they can probably run this entire scam (keeping about 50% of total deposits) without breaking any laws.

The giveaway to this is that the investments are said to involve risk with no clear explanation of what the risks are and under what circumstances they lose money. This is what separates something like Stock Generation from a classic Ponzi. (If you read carefully, they can keep most of your money for no reason at all other than that they want to and not break any of their own terms.)

[support_en.mybitcointrade]

For security reasons, we added the option to link a btc address directly and fixed to your account.
You can change/add this in your 'User Profile'.
So in case your account will be comprimised, nobody will be able to withdraw your coins to another address.

Regards
Simon

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Update firstpost

[JoelKatz]

Care to comment on how this is any different from scams like Stock Generation? This appears to me to be precisely the same type of offer. It appears that even if you keep all your promises, this is an incredibly bad deal. It's roughly the same as "lend us some money and we might pay you some interest, but we might also keep most of your money (we promise not to keep all of it, though) -- it's risky in an unspecified, unquantifiable way". How is that a deal any rational person would want?

[support_en.mybitcointrade]

We do not promise everybody 20% interest, just to those who want to take the risk.
We are not running a Stock Generation.
Of course every 'project' offered by us has a different risk, but also a different interest.
There are also projects, with no risk and fixed payouts.
We can promise such high rates as we do some investments on our own and also lend some btc.
We speculate with the coins or try to support other projects.

Besided this facts, there are many users which like our projects and are satisfied with them.

JoelKatz please let us/me know, how to proof that this isn't a 'Stock Generation', we're willing to do (nearly) everything.

Regards
Simon

[JoelKatz]

We do not promise everybody 20% interest, just to those who want to take the risk.

Who want to take *what* risk? The risk that you'll decide not to pay them 20% interest?

We are not running a Stock Generation.

What's the difference? Your pitch appears identical to Stock Generation's pitch.

Of course every 'project' offered by us has a different risk, but also a different interest.

In other words, you may or may not pay out on any 'project' based on factors that you won't disclose. What sane person would give money under such terms?

There are also projects, with no risk and fixed payouts.

Sure, as much as you choose to offer them for as long as you let people keep money in them. That sounds a lot like Stock Generation, doesn't it?

We can promise such high rates as we do some investments on our own and also lend some btc.
We speculate with the coins or try to support other projects.

But you don't promise high rates. You make it clear that there's some unspecified risk that the high rates, and even the principal, won't materialize. And you do not make it clear under what conditions principal can be lost. Effectively, you're saying "You might make money, I might keep your money, it's risky. And I won't tell you what determines which of these two things will happen."

Besided this facts, there are many users which like our projects and are satisfied with them.

The same was true of Stock Generation. You've yet to explain how this is different.

JoelKatz please let us/me know, how to proof that this isn't a 'Stock Generation', we're willing to do (nearly) everything.

Explain what the "risk" is precisely and how someone who loses money can tell whether this is because of a legitimate risk that didn't pan out or merely because you decided to keep his money.

All you've said so far is, "You might make a lot of money. Or you might lose money. It's risky. And we won't tell you what the risks are or how we decide whether you make or lose money. It's up to us." Sorry, that's something only a scammer would say.

Your pitch is precisely like this: "Lend me $50 and I'll pay you $10/week. I'll do something with your money that makes money, and I'll share the profits with you. However, it's risky. I might have to stop paying you at some point.." That's just not what an honest business does, because it not only suggests but explicitly allows you to just stop paying because you'd rather keep people's money. You have to say *what* the risk is so that if you do stop paying me, I know it's not just because you decided you'd rather keep my money.

The scam with Stock Generation is not what they did -- with one very minor exception, they kept their promises and did what they said. The scam is the offer itself -- we might or might not pay you based on factors we won't disclose. And that scam offer seems, at least to me, to be your offer. If I'm missing something, please correct me. How is your offer different from the classic SG scam offer?

[Retard]

New Rates on bitcoin saving books.

14 days at a rate of 4.5% (+ 0.00%*)monthly

30 days at a rate of 11.15% (+ 0.00%*)

60 days at a rate of 12.43% (+ 0.00%*)

90 days at a rate of 13.11% (+ 0.00%*)

180 days at a rate of 14.28% (+ 0.00%*)

360 days at a rate of 20.92% (+ 0.00%*)

best regards,
smart

[JoelKatz]

You specifically say this is a low-risk fund. What *precisely* is the source of that risk? And if the risk occurs and I don't get paid out, how can I tell that this was honestly because of an unforeseen and unlikely event and not just because you decided to keep my money and say, "Sorry, we said it was low risk, not no risk"?

Again, this is precisely the Stock Generation scam. You tell people to invest with you and promise them a low risk but make no disclosure of what the risk is or under what circumstances the risk will materialize. Then you say, "Sorry. Your investment lost money. We said there was risk."

Even if you keep your promises and do everything you say you will do, the offer *itself* still looks like a blatant Stock Generation style scam to me. You are asking me to take a risk that I will lose money without having any idea what that risk is and if I do lose money, all I have is your word that something bad happened and therefore I lost money and you didn't simply decide to keep it because you'd rather have it.

What am I missing exactly? You say you are different from Stock Generation, but I don't see the difference.

[Retard]

all saving books have no risk the payout is 100 % guaranteed

Project 16 shares https://www.mybitcointrade.com/en/?content=boerse/projekthandel&projektid=16  12%interrest

have no risk interrest and payout after term ist 100 % guaranteed

Project 17 Shares https://www.mybitcointrade.com/en/?content=boerse/projektbearbeitung&projektid=17 20 % interrest

high risk if i will lose the volume of 813 coins i guaranteed 25 % of this volume, if i lose this volume i will make a Post in this forum and show all ppl here why the btc are lost.

Project 18 shares https://www.mybitcointrade.com/en/?content=boerse/projektbearbeitung&projektid=18

have no rist and the payout after term is 100% guaranteed.


only one of my projects with the lowest volume can broke. its 830 btc the complete volume of this site is more then 15k btc. you will say i try to scam my users for 830 btc ? this is a joke.

no one have in the last year a problem with mybitcointrade.com the most ppl trust us. everyone make her profit with this site without problems.

if you think project 17 is not okay to use it (OKAY) everyone can look and use the bond it is okay for her.
all old users like this bond. but they know they can trust me. see how much shares are sold.

sorry for my bad english my suport is not online in this moment. today i will fix this post.

[JoelKatz]

(snip)

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_Generation

""Company 9 was the "privileged" company, with its shares "guaranteed" never to decrease in value. Promised return was originally 10% a month (215% annually,) but was later reduced to 7% a month or 125% annually. In early April 2000, Stock Generation, despite all previous guarantees, devalued its privileged company shares to 5% of their previous value.""

This looks *exactly* like Stock Generation. If it's different, you haven't said how it's different.

Let's talk about the "high risk" fund. What is the risk exactly? Under what scenario will this fund not make payouts or lose money and how can I tell whether these things actually happened rather than you just deciding to keep my money? Bluntly, it looks like you've specifically reserved the right to just arbitrarily reduce the value of this fund for no reason or any reason. Perhaps there's some reason you'd want to word things this way, but to me, it sounds like only something a blatant scammer would say.

How is the "high risk fond" any different from "Give us your money and we might pay you huge amounts of money, or we might not and just keep your money". And why would anyone who wasn't a scammer even make such an offer?

[support_en.mybitcointrade]

I can't give you more than a word, that we are using the coins for investments and speculation.
The risk you take, is the risk we trade with your coins. Currently we're doing that (better said the man who is doing the trades) very well and you could know, that the more money you have, the more profit you can make.

I agree that the project can be viewed as a 'Stock Generation' and we're willing to do anything to proof that this view is false.

Again, please tell me how to convince you, that we're honest (Besides all that satisfied users over the years. A 'Stock Generation' can just be run to a limited amount of time, please correct me if I'm wrong).

We're not trying to scam anybody, we are just trying to share our experience in trading with other users that trusts us.

Regards
Simon

P.S.: Did you notice the fact, that MyBitcointrade is run out of Germany, with a valid imprint?
Imo if this would be something like a 'Stock Generation', i would run it from outside EU, but i don't know if btc is affected by it.
I'm still thinking about how to proof that the risk isn't like it is in a 'Stock Generation', do you have a possible solution?
I can just give you words, but I think some screenshots or transferlogs could clear things out.... So any idea how to proof our honesty?
We are also identified via ID Card by one of the most trusted users here on board, if you know how to do more, please let me/us know it.

[Otoh]

I have just received principle plus interest from a loan of 76.67 BTC made on the 15th of June 2012 @ 1.975% per week for 60 days, a total of 89.796 BTC, for a profit of 13.126 BTC.

In dollar terms I put in $453 & have just been returned $1,090 in under 2 months with a guaranteed loan, many thanks Smart & Co.!!!  

[JoelKatz]

I can't give you more than a word, that we are using the coins for investments and speculation.

That's pretty worrisome, don't you think?

The risk you take, is the risk we trade with your coins. Currently we're doing that (better said the man who is doing the trades) very well and you could know, that the more money you have, the more profit you can make.

So, if I take that risk and lose, how can I tell that some actual investment in fact lost money rather than that you just decided to keep my money?

I agree that the project can be viewed as a 'Stock Generation' and we're willing to do anything to proof that this view is false.

Isn't is kind of strange how you look *exactly* like a scam in every way?

Again, please tell me how to convince you, that we're honest (Besides all that satisfied users over the years. A 'Stock Generation' can just be run to a limited amount of time, please correct me if I'm wrong).

I don't think you can. As I said, your offer is pretty much incapable of being legitimate. It says there is high risk but does not say precisely what the risk is. It specifically allows you to just say "sorry, you lost money" and you can keep 75% of deposits for any reason, or no reason. How can that not be a scam?

We're not trying to scam anybody, we are just trying to share our experience in trading with other users that trusts us.

If you're not trying to scam anyone, why does your offer bear such a perfect resemblance to a scam? Honestly, this is even worse than Pirate, IMO. You've basically specifically retained the right to take 75% of deposits in the high risk fund just because you feel like it. What honest person would draft terms that retained for themselves that right?

P.S.: Did you notice the fact, that MyBitcointrade is run out of Germany, with a valid imprint?
Imo if this would be something like a 'Stock Generation', i would run it from outside EU, but i don't know if btc is affected by it.
I'm still thinking about how to proof that the risk isn't like it is in a 'Stock Generation', do you have a possible solution?
I can just give you words, but I think some screenshots or transferlogs could clear things out.... So any idea how to proof our honesty?
We are also identified via ID Card by one of the most trusted users here on board, if you know how to do more, please let me/us know it.

It would take your to change your offer so that it looks like a legitimate investment and not a scam. Investors would have to know what investments they are holding, how much they paid for them, and how much they are worth, on a regular basis. There has to be some way to assess risk on a regular basis, not take your word that it is "high" or "low". If investors lose money, they need to know *why* they lost money..

That's how legitimate investments operate and honestly it doesn't seem like you have any interest in being one of those. And bluntly, I can't imagine why any legitimate investment service would denominate investments in BTC right now. For one thing, you're competing with Ponzi schemes. For another thing, it forces you into a strategy that loses if bitcoins go up in price. It just doesn't make sense for a legitimate operation.

[support_en.mybitcointrade]

I can't give you more than a word, that we are using the coins for investments and speculation.

That's pretty worrisome, don't you think?

Kind of worrisome, true. But not something i need really to worry about. It's just like you don't want to trust in a 'unbelievable' offer, i can fully understand and i like to convince you from my/our 'truth', but in fact, we're not in need of it. (Sounds bit to hard, but that are actually the facts to me).

The risk you take, is the risk we trade with your coins. Currently we're doing that (better said the man who is doing the trades) very well and you could know, that the more money you have, the more profit you can make.

So, if I take that risk and lose, how can I tell that some actual investment in fact lost money rather than that you just decided to keep my money?

Currently we're looking for a solution to proof trading w/o risking to show too much. Up to this day, it's truely nothing more than just a written word in a forum and a huge amount of satisfied users.

I agree that the project can be viewed as a 'Stock Generation' and we're willing to do anything to proof that this view is false.

Isn't is kind of strange how you look *exactly* like a scam in every way?

It's strange yes, but until you mentioned something about a 'Stock Generation' i didn't even know something about it. Even if I had known it, i guess we wouldn't operat different, just because it's currently working and (again) we are satisfying our users. Of course it isn't our goal to be look like a big scam, but as it seems we do to you. I'm truely sorry for that fact, but as mentioned again and again there is currently no way how to 100% prove the opposite and i can't and don't like to change your personal oppinion.

Again, please tell me how to convince you, that we're honest (Besides all that satisfied users over the years. A 'Stock Generation' can just be run to a limited amount of time, please correct me if I'm wrong).

I don't think you can. As I said, your offer is pretty much incapable of being legitimate. It says there is high risk but does not say precisely what the risk is. It specifically allows you to just say "sorry, you lost money" and you can keep 75% of deposits for any reason, or no reason. How can that not be a scam?

By trading bitcoins very effectively. It's just that risk.
If I wouldn't be convinced or won't trust the admins, I guess I would think the pretty same way as you do (just personal oppinion).

We're not trying to scam anybody, we are just trying to share our experience in trading with other users that trusts us.

If you're not trying to scam anyone, why does your offer bear such a perfect resemblance to a scam? Honestly, this is even worse than Pirate, IMO. You've basically specifically retained the right to take 75% of deposits in the high risk fund just because you feel like it. What honest person would draft terms that retained for themselves that right?

[/quote]
I think i've said enough to your points above.

P.S.: Did you notice the fact, that MyBitcointrade is run out of Germany, with a valid imprint?
Imo if this would be something like a 'Stock Generation', i would run it from outside EU, but i don't know if btc is affected by it.
I'm still thinking about how to proof that the risk isn't like it is in a 'Stock Generation', do you have a possible solution?
I can just give you words, but I think some screenshots or transferlogs could clear things out.... So any idea how to proof our honesty?
We are also identified via ID Card by one of the most trusted users here on board, if you know how to do more, please let me/us know it.

It would take your to change your offer so that it looks like a legitimate investment and not a scam. Investors would have to know what investments they are holding, how much they paid for them, and how much they are worth, on a regular basis. There has to be some way to assess risk on a regular basis, not take your word that it is "high" or "low". If investors lose money, they need to know *why* they lost money..

I tried to clear that points, everything else goes to personal oppinion or just the little trust in the revolution of the bitcoins, not every person out there is bad (even if it goes to money)

That's how legitimate investments operate and honestly it doesn't seem like you have any interest in being one of those. And bluntly, I can't imagine why any legitimate investment service would denominate investments in BTC right now. For one thing, you're competing with Ponzi schemes. For another thing, it forces you into a strategy that loses if bitcoins go up in price. It just doesn't make sense for a legitimate operation.

Once again, tell me how to and i'll prove the opposite and i'll proof that this is honest work from honest people, who are just trying to make some money with your money and give you something back for your trust and investment.

Regards
Simon

[JoelKatz]

By trading bitcoins very effectively. It's just that risk.

Hey, can I borrow $500 to play the slot machines? It's very risky, but if I turn it into $2,000, I'll give you back $1,000. It's high risk, but you could double your money in just a day.

Oh, and if I lose all your money, I won't even provide you any proof that I lost them on the slot machines. You'll just have to take my word for it.

Honestly, it's stunning to me that you've found people stupid enough to fall for this. My hat is off to you sir.

[Retard]

By trading bitcoins very effectively. It's just that risk.

Hey, can I borrow $500 to play the slot machines? It's very risky, but if I turn it into $2,000, I'll give you back $1,000. It's high risk, but you could double your money in just a day.

Oh, and if I lose all your money, I won't even provide you any proof that I lost them on the slot machines. You'll just have to take my word for it.

Honestly, it's stunning to me that you've found people stupid enough to fall for this. My hat is off to you sir.

if you can show me you only win the last year and payback more then 5000 interrests, Yes i give you 500 $.

best regards
smart

[JoelKatz]

if you can show me you only win the last year and payback more then 5000 interrests, Yes i give you 500 $.

I don't know if you're playing dumb or you are dumb, but either way, it's not going to inspire much confidence.

You can only infer future performance from past results if you understand how the past results were accomplished. If you send 1,000 people into a casino to play slots, one of them probably will do so well that the odds of him achieving those results by chance are 1 in 1,000. Does that mean you should back that guy's next day of slots?

[gene]

Joel, I don't know about you, but I know I feel better knowing that ZiggiStar (completely integrated in their team) has a AAA- rating from that paragon of honesty and integrity, PatrickHarnett!

We also want to announce, that up from next month ZiggiStar will be completely integrated in our team and projects. Besides this, we're happy that ZiggiStar got an AAA- rating from PatrickHarnett in following thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=81542.0

Honestly, it's stunning to me that you've found people stupid enough to fall for this. My hat is off to you sir.

You must be joking. These hucksters have found the mother lode of marks.

[PatrickHarnett]

Joel, I don't know about you, but I know I feel better knowing that ZiggiStar (completely integrated in their team) has a AAA- rating from that paragon of honesty and integrity, PatrickHarnett!

gene, your sarcasm is misguided, but obviously you think I am dishonest and have no integrity.  Also if you bother to read the posts properly you will see it is not AAA- but AA- as I added in some additional discriminating factors into the WPW CR process.

Also, the rating is related to the issuer and not the issue and relates more specifically to the bank-book and not the projects.  The disclosed liabilities to assets ratio is around 70% and the size of the business is a bit less than 10k coins.  Personally, I consider some of the projects are high return and high risk, the transparency is not there.  Accordingly I do not have exposure to those investments.

I considered Joel's questions and debate in this thread to be informative and useful - Thank you Joel.

edit: I was interested enough to find out what I might have done to piss-off gene.  Other than the fact he was absent for the last eight months, the current post pattern and content appears entirely consistent with his earlier 2011 material and he appears to hate everyone.

[Retard]

Update firstpost*

14 days at a rate of 3.9% (+ 0.00%*)monthly

30 days at a rate of 11.15% (+ 0.00%*)

60 days at a rate of 12.43% (+ 0.00%*)

90 days at a rate of 12.91% (+ 0.00%*)

180 days at a rate of 14.28% (+ 0.00%*)

360 days at a rate of 20.92% (+ 0.00%*)

[rb2k]

On the impressum of mybitcontrade: "Rene Engfer"
Searching for that name in the forums: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=11432.msg692359#msg692359

Did that ever resolve?


edit: site is now in maintenance mode:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:7FhKB7plVCYJ:www.mybitcointrade.com/%3Fcontent%3D/intern/impressum+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk
and as a picture: https://img.skitch.com/20120816-p9bsc5wnu17cis8gn35sfjps6h.png


edit 2: smart1985 contacted me and this is being looked into.

[Otoh]

I have just received principle plus interest from a loan of 62.865 BTC made on the 18th of June 2012 @ 1.975% per week for 60 days, a total of 73.6275 BTC, for a profit of 10.76 BTC.

In dollar terms I put in $379 & have just been returned $1,063 in under 2 months with a guaranteed loan, many thanks Smart & Co.!!!

[Retard]

edit 2: smart1985 contacted me and this is being looked into.

ziggi is this moment not here in germany but he know nothing about that he tell me. he answer if he is back.

[Retard]

I have just received principle plus interest from a loan of 62.865 BTC made on the 18th of June 2012 @ 1.975% per week for 60 days, a total of 73.6275 BTC, for a profit of 10.76 BTC.

In dollar terms I put in $379 & have just been returned $1,063 in under 2 months with a guaranteed loan, many thanks Smart & Co.!!!

ty for your feedback otoh, good profit for bouth sides.


 i got some qestions about our saving books and pirate. the answer i can give is.

all saving books are 100 % save, no problems with payouts or something.

but until next week we lower the rates of our saving books a bit.

have a nice day


best regards
smart

[dust]

Legal Notice
MyBitcointrade.com is a non-commercial project and is used as an entertainment area, there are no money wins, due there can't be any financial claims. The project MyBitcointrade.com serves the purpose to learn the programming language PHP.

How is this site and associated loans "non-commercial" in any way?

[runeks]

the logout link doesn't work for the english version, but at the moment it's not a big deal to switch back to Deutsche and log out. " https://mybitcointrade.com/en/?content=/intern/startseite&logout=true "

Known issue, but thanks for reporting in. We are currently working on it.

I just discovered that I had been logged in all the time for past month because the Logout link on the English page doesn't work. I would suggest removing the link or at least providing a message that says it doesn't work, so users don't think they're logged out (which is quite normal to think when one has clicked a "Logout" link and the new page has loaded). Thankfully it was on my personal PC, but it could have been on a public computer somewhere.

Personally, I'd classify this as an urgent issue.

Wouldn't simply changing the Logout link on the English page to point to https://www.mybitcointrade.com/?content=/intern/startseite&logout=true fix the issue?

[Retard]

Legal Notice
MyBitcointrade.com is a non-commercial project and is used as an entertainment area, there are no money wins, due there can't be any financial claims. The project MyBitcointrade.com serves the purpose to learn the programming language PHP.

How is this site and associated loans "non-commercial" in any way?

its in under german laws non comercial...  we must write this.

the logout link doesn't work for the english version, but at the moment it's not a big deal to switch back to Deutsche and log out. " https://mybitcointrade.com/en/?content=/intern/startseite&logout=true "

Known issue, but thanks for reporting in. We are currently working on it.

I just discovered that I had been logged in all the time for past month because the Logout link on the English page doesn't work. I would suggest removing the link or at least providing a message that says it doesn't work, so users don't think they're logged out (which is quite normal to think when one has clicked a "Logout" link and the new page has loaded). Thankfully it was on my personal PC, but it could have been on a public computer somewhere.

Personally, I'd classify this as an urgent issue.

Wouldn't simply changing the Logout link on the English page to point to https://www.mybitcointrade.com/?content=/intern/startseite&logout=true fix the issue?

we know this problem and have it on our to do list.
sorry for waiting time.

best regards,
smart

[support_en.mybitcointrade]

For all worried users, we absolutely guarantee, that when pirate will go down, it won't affect any investments on our page.

Regards
Simon

[support_en.mybitcointrade]

Update

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New Project/IPO

We are happy to welcome Cheffe with his project BitcoinPara.de
https://www.mybitcointrade.com/en/?content=boerse/projekthandel&projektid=12

Some infos about the project

Buy a share from BitcoinPara.de and earn! - because 50% of the profits are distributed as dividends to shareholders! But not only on our principal website you earn, you can also profit on our programming services, Bitcoin Deals (Sales Revenues) and etc...
Buying a share will help us to create new and larger projects to start promise good profits.
Interested? Go on MyBitcoinTrade.com!


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Adjustment of the rates

14 days 3.9% (+ 0.00%*) monthly

30 days 10.00% (+ 0.00%*)

60 days 10.83% (+ 0.00%*)

90 days 11.82% (+ 0.00%*)

180 days 13.02% (+ 0.00%*)

360 days 18.46% (+ 0.00%*)



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Here a short summary of our offers:

Middle Term Loaning.
https://www.mybitcointrade.com/en/?content=boerse/projekthandel&projektid=11

Info*: 2% dividend will be paid out weekly (every sunday), in the near future an increase up to 4% is highly possible.

The dividends are supplied by mining, which are paid by some of the investment. For more information see the description.

Payouts are fully guaranteed.

Sold Shares: 184
Total Shares:15000

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Long Term Zig 12 - 30 days
https://www.mybitcointrade.com/en/?content=boerse/projekthandel&projektid=16

Info*: 12% dividend will be paid out for the whole month (daily payout).
The investments will be used for trading. For more information see the description.

Payouts are fully guaranteed.

Sold Shares: 1952
Total Shares: 5000

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Long Term Zig 20 - 30 days guarante.
https://www.mybitcointrade.com/en/?content=boerse/projekthandel&projektid=17

Info*: 20% dividend will be paid out for the whole month (daily payout).
The investments will be used to invest in different glbse fonds.

We won't give out any more shares, only the trading between users is currently possible. For more information see the description.

Sold Shares: 830
Total Shares: 830

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Mid Term Zig 10.5 - 30 days guarante
https://www.mybitcointrade.com/en/?content=boerse/projekthandel&projektid=18

Info*: 10.5% dividend will be paid out for the whole month (payout is every sunday).
The investments will be used for trading and investments.
Shares are high limited.

Payouts are fully guaranteed while the whole running time.

Sold Shares: 67
Total Shares: 500

Regards
Simon

[support_en.mybitcointrade]

News*

We want to start a poll, if there is any interest to trade noble metals (gold, silver, platinum, copper, etc.) for real exchange rates on mybitcointrade.com.
Besides this we're always interested in feedback relating the changes on our website.

Bankbook
Up from now it's possible to withdraw the running bankbooks for a fee.

It's possible to invest 5.500,00 Bitcoin at all.

Currently it's possible to invest a remaining amount of 385,05 Bitcoin.

30   days at   10.00 % (+ 0.00 %*)   interest/month
60   days at   10.83 % (+ 0.00 %*)   interest/month
90   days at   11.82 % (+ 0.00 %*)   interest/month
180   days at   13.02 % (+ 0.00 %*)   interest/month
360   days at   18.46 % (+ 0.00 %*)   interest/month
14   days at   3.90 % (+ 0.00 %*)   interest/month


IPOs
BitcoinPara.de
We're happy to tell you, that 1100 shares were sold in the first 2 active days of this investment. The expected dividend on this share is at ca. 200 Bitcoin for the whole volume of shares.
https://www.mybitcointrade.com/en/?content=boerse/projekthandel&projektid=12



Regards
Simon

[Retard]

Update*

problem with the logout button is fixed.


best regards
smart

[gene]

Legal Notice
MyBitcointrade.com is a non-commercial project and is used as an entertainment area, there are no money wins, due there can't be any financial claims. The project MyBitcointrade.com serves the purpose to learn the programming language PHP.

How is this site and associated loans "non-commercial" in any way?

It's for educational purposes, you see. This character gets to "learn the programming language PHP" (at the expense of "investors") and "investors" get to learn about fraud in a "hands-on manner."

[support_en.mybitcointrade]

Your quoted notice is over one year old. Since the text was created there has been many changes on the webpage, but the text didn't change with this updates.
If you have any negative experiences, feel free to report in, but please stop spreading gossip in our thread.

Regards
Simon

[bitsire]

News*

We want to start a poll, if there is any interest to trade noble metals (gold, silver, platinum, copper, etc.) for real exchange rates on mybitcointrade.com.
Besides this we're always interested in feedback relating the changes on our website.

I am definitely very interested in this!

[support_en.mybitcointrade]

I am definitely very interested in this!

Glad to hear that there is interest, hope that there will be some more, so we can offer you a new feature.

Regards
Simon

[support_en.mybitcointrade]

To ensure greater clarity, up from now IPOs/shares and fonds are explicit single listed.

To ensure more security, withdrawals now can take up to 60 minutes, we hope you feel comfortable with that.

Besides this we're very interested in new IPOs, so everyone who's running a website, feel free to contact us.

Regards
Simon

[xchrix]

bin gerade auf dieses thema gestoßen
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94900.0

ihr steht da auf platz 2!!! vllt solltet ihr euch darum kümmern dass ihr von dieser liste entfernt werdet. is ja schwachsinn!

[Retard]

bin gerade auf dieses thema gestoßen
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94900.0

ihr steht da auf platz 2!!! vllt solltet ihr euch darum kümmern dass ihr von dieser liste entfernt werdet. is ja schwachsinn!

auf dieser liste steht so wirklich jeder....

micon hat sich im forum angemeldet und ab dem 20sten post hat er nichts anderes gemacht als betreiber als scammer zu betiteln.
Ich habe mich bereits mit ihm per pm unterhalten.
Er ist der meinung mybitcointrade.com ist betrug. auch wenn in nun über einem jahr noch nie jemand auf seine Btc warten musste.

gruss smart

[support_en.mybitcointrade]

Thanks for the advise, we already had some talking about this.
Even in this thread (scroll up a bit) we had talking about this reproaches.

Currently we're trying to encouter them with more clarity of our investments, but it's not easy to convince someone from something he/she 'figured out' by him/herself.
Anyways we're not in need to convince them, if they have fun spreading gossip and rumor, they should feel free to post it. We can't stop it but we can relay on many satisfied users over the time, so we'll go on no matter what they post/say.
Of course it would be great not to read such threads about our buisness, but that seems to part of it...

We encourage any user who has any (positive and negative) experience with our services to post them here. This way we can probably encouter this reproaches a bit, as long we keep looking for a solution.

Regards
Simon

[support_en.mybitcointrade]

bin gerade auf dieses thema gestoßen
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94900.0

ihr steht da auf platz 2!!! vllt solltet ihr euch darum kümmern dass ihr von dieser liste entfernt werdet. is ja schwachsinn!

auf dieser liste steht so wirklich jeder....

micon hat sich im forum angemeldet und ab dem 20sten post hat er nichts anderes gemacht als betreiber als scammer zu betiteln.
Ich habe mich bereits mit ihm per pm unterhalten.
Er ist der meinung mybitcointrade.com ist betrug. auch wenn in nun über einem jahr noch nie jemand auf seine Btc warten musste.

gruss smart

Translation:

Nearly anybody can be found on that list.

As soon Micon reached 20 posts, he did nothing else but calling everyone a scammer.
I already talked with him via PN.
In his oppinion mybitcointrade is a scam. Even if in the whole running time (over 1 year), never anyone had to wait for his btc.

greets
smart

[JoelKatz]

In his oppinion mybitcointrade is a scam. Even if in the whole running time (over 1 year), never anyone had to wait for his btc.

It's an *obvious* scam. If for no other reason, because there is absolutely no way to verify if a claimed loss is due to any actual investment loss or not. That one factor alone is enough to label an investment a scam.

There is no legitimate investment where you go to the guy you invested with and he can say, "Oh, I'm sorry, your investment lost money", and that's all he tells you. In *every* legitimate investment, when a loss it taken, the investor has some kind of explanation of how the loss was incurred, evidence that the funds were actually invested in something that had a legitimate expectation of earning a profit, and so on.

[support_en.mybitcointrade]

For sure as long there are only wins, no-one will really ask where the money comes from.

How do you know we won't give an explanation in the case of lose?
As soon there will be loses, we will give an explanation why and what happened. Not at least for not losing our members. We're are here for communication and since the beginning we're behind our customers, that's the way we stay on.

We gave an explanation how we earn money, not sure if a (more?) legitimate investment is doing more?
See the last announcement post to see the different points where the coins are invested in for our projects.

Regards
Simon

[JoelKatz]

For sure as long there are only wins, no-one will really ask where the money comes from.

Except several people are asking that, including me.

How do you know we won't give an explanation in the case of lose?

I don't. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that you haven't committed to doing that. With legitimate investments, the investors know what they're investing in so they can assess the risks and assure themselves that both profits and losses are legitimate.

As soon there will be loses, we will give an explanation why and what happened. Not at least for not losing our members. We're are here for communication and since the beginning we're behind our customers, that's the way we stay on.

It's too late at that point. If you say, "Sorry, I lost all your money. I said it was high risk. I went to Vegas and put it all on black. Here's proof I did that," what can an investor do? Of course if they knew you were going to do that, they never would have invested.

We gave an explanation how we earn money, not sure if a (more?) legitimate investment is doing more?

Except the explanation is totally implausible and totally unverifiable. Every Ponzi scheme has an explanation of how they are going to make money. They're often implausible and always unverifiable.

To date, every single HYIP has proven to be a scam. And I do not believe an honest person would pitch a legitimate scheme in such a way that only a person who would fall for a HYIP scheme would invest in it.

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that your scheme is totally legitimate and you really do have some incredibly way to make money that you must keep secret for it to work. Of course, there is no way anyone can verify this. So anyone who would invest in your scheme would also invest in an identically pitched scheme that was a Ponzi scheme. And since every HYIP to date has proven to be a scam, the odds that yours is a scam, as estimated by a reasonable investor, have to be somewhere around 99.99%. It is a pretty incredibly stupid thing to invest in a Ponzi scheme -- we all know that the average such investor must lose money. So you are intentionally pitching an investment that you know only an idiot would invest in. Personally, I can think of only one reason you would do that.

[support_en.mybitcointrade]

I think we won't come to any conclusion and are running in circle with the discussion.

Again, I can fully understand your reasonable doubts on our case.
Yes this whole thing sounds too good to be true (and in most cases everything that sounds too good to be true, is too good to be true) and me as external person would think, that's just a matter of time until it crashes.

We're currently thinking about a solution to prove the work we're doing.

I say thank you JoelKatz for your interesting thoughts, it's hard to stay objectiv when you are in the subject.

Regards
Simon

[JoelKatz]

I think we won't come to any conclusion and are running in circle with the discussion.

That's only because you know that it's not in your interest to publicly come to the only possible conclusion.

Again, I can fully understand your reasonable doubts on our case.

Good, so do you agree with my conclusion? Or do you think there's some error in my reasoning?

Yes this whole thing sounds too good to be true (and in most cases everything that sounds too good to be true, is too good to be true) and me as external person would think, that's just a matter of time until it crashes.

So do you agree that anyone who invests with you is a fool? You agree that it sounds too good to be true. And you agree that no externally available evidence suggests otherwise. Wouldn't you agree that someone would have to be a fool to invest under those circumstances?

We're currently thinking about a solution to prove the work we're doing.

But wouldn't you agree that so long as there is no such proof, investing would be absolutely foolish?

I say thank you JoelKatz for your interesting thoughts, it's hard to stay objectiv when you are in the subject.

I agree that it's impossible for you to be objective. If you were objective, you'd have to admit that every rational investor would conclude you're most likely scamming and wouldn't invest with you.

Whether or not you think I'm being objective, I'm at least documenting the reasons for my conclusions. You have yet to explain where you think I'm in error when I say that only a fool would invest under the terms you are offering. And, unlike you, I personally have nothing to gain or lose either way. In fact, if you were making persuasive arguments, I'd have every incentive to agree with you because claiming you are a scam, should you later be shown not to be a scam, harms my reputation. And my reputation is all that I have at stake. Unlike you, who have a financial stake.

[support_en.mybitcointrade]

There is always more than one possible conclusion (regardless the topic).

I don't need to agree to your conclusion just because I understand your thoughts and no I don't agree.

Seems my world is a 'little' bit brighter than yours. (No offense )

I don't agree, that anyone who is investing in a potential scam is foolish, because if it turns out that it wasn't a scam you're the fool who missed it. Of course only invest with care in anything, especially on the internet.
I would agree with the 'fool', when you're saying someone is investing his whole money (or a very large amount) in something like this or similiar, but in this case it wouldn't even make a difference if it's a possible scam or a fully legitimate (high) risk fond.

In my eyes it's not foolish, but it has something to do with the trust in the coins and also of course with the trust in the people. Obivously there are many people out there who trust us (thank you at this point) and also some who don't. I'm repeating myself when saying, it's impossible to satisfy everybody.

For later I think it won't affect your reputation that/if you're wrong, because you're just saying what you think and have (as told by yourself) good reasons to think that way.

Regards
Simon

[JoelKatz]

I don't agree, that anyone who is investing in a potential scam is foolish,

Could you perhaps address the arguments I actually made rather than restating my specific arguments as vague generalities.

Let's try it again:

"Every legitimate investment provides the investor with some way to reasonably confirm that the money invested is actually used as promised and that both claimed profits and claimed losses have in fact been earned or incurred as claimed."

Do you agree or disagree with this statement?

[support_en.mybitcointrade]

News*

Because of some current changes on our script the page is currently in mainteance, when all works fine it will be up again during this day.

More information to follow.


Regards
Simon

[cyberlync]

Any news with regards to the maintenance?

[sarpar]

Judging on your login activity you must have seen the request for an update by now. What's going on? You have been offline now for too long without update!!

[support_en.mybitcointrade]

News* (Update)

The website is expected to go online this night (CET), there is an issue which takes much more time to solve than expected, we're sorry for this.

Please pay attention:
DO NOT send coins to old bitcoinaddresses you have probably saved to your computer, we generated new addresses for every user, so again please don't use the old ones.


Regards
Simon

[support_en.mybitcointrade]

News*
Mybitcointrade.com is up again, but due still running mainteance it's currently not possible to add funds.
Withdrawals are working with a delay.

Sorry for the long time it took, but we are still not finished completely with our security updates.

Pay out for the fonds of the last 2 days will be transferred during the day.


Regards
Simon

[sarpar]

News*
Mybitcointrade.com is up again, but due still running mainteance it's currently not possible to add funds.
Withdrawals are working with a delay.

Sorry for the long time it took, but we are still not finished completely with our security updates.

Pay out for the fonds of the last 2 days will be transferred during the day.


Regards
Simon

Withdrawals are NOT working

[Mushoz]

News*
Mybitcointrade.com is up again, but due still running mainteance it's currently not possible to add funds.
Withdrawals are working with a delay.

Sorry for the long time it took, but we are still not finished completely with our security updates.

Pay out for the fonds of the last 2 days will be transferred during the day.


Regards
Simon

Withdrawals are NOT working

Agreed, withdrawals aren't working at the moment. Could someone please into this? Thanks!

[support_en.mybitcointrade]

We're sorry again for the issues, withdrawals should really work now.
As little bonus for your waiting time, we increased the rates of the savings by 1%.

If there are any errors left, please let us know.

Regards
Simon

[Mushoz]

We're sorry again for the issues, withdrawals should really work now.
As little bonus for your waiting time, we increased the rates of the savings by 1%.

If there are any errors left, please let us know.

Regards
Simon

Damnit, withdrawals weren't working, so I decided to reinvest most of the BTC instead.
Now withdrawals are working again _and_ the rates got increased

Oh well

[sarpar]

Withdrawals still DONT work for me. Can other confirm?

[support_en.mybitcointrade]

Other users are reporting in working withdrawal, please wait a bit, because the withdrawals are still delayed.

@sarpar:
Please let me know, if you're withdrawal didn't make it through within ~2hours and we'll have a manually look into your account.

@Mushoz:
Can you please give me your userid via PN, so we can have a look at it, if you really didn't get the 1%, you'll get it of course

Regards
Simon

[Mushoz]

Withdrawals still DONT work for me. Can other confirm?

Withdrawals are working for me now. Didn't take much longer than a few minutes I think. I was eating while I received the withdrawal.

@Mushoz:
Can you please give me your userid via PN, so we can have a look at it, if you really didn't get the 1%, you'll get it of course

Regards
Simon

Thank you very much for the offer! Will PM you my userID now.

[support_en.mybitcointrade]

News*

Thanks all for staying cool while the mainteance.
In the next 24hours you will be forced to change your password, we are still upgrading our security system and will increase the crypto used to store the passwords.
Please all check the e-mails linked to your account, since you'll be asked by mail to change your password.

Updates aren't finished yet, but most should work again.

As usual, please report in any issue/error you find on mybitcointrade.com

Regards
Simon

[bitsire]

FYI - the logout link still isn't working for me. I am viewing the English version of the site - when I click the logout link, it kicks me back to the German site and it does appear that I logged out (extra links in the left nav are not visible). However, if  I click the American flag, I go back to the English version and I am still logged in (I can click the savings link in the left nav).

[Retard]

we will fix it asap. sorry for that.

[Retard]

FYI - the logout link still isn't working for me. I am viewing the English version of the site - when I click the logout link, it kicks me back to the German site and it does appear that I logged out (extra links in the left nav are not visible). However, if  I click the American flag, I go back to the English version and I am still logged in (I can click the savings link in the left nav).

we will fix it asap. sorry for that.

problem is fixed

[Retard]

1 % on all saving books the next 6 days until 09/02/12 for our little downtime.

Currently it's possible 5.500,00to invest !

Remaining an amount of up to 550,77 Bitcoin


14 days at a rate of 3.9% (+ 0.00%*)monthly

30 days at a rate of 11.00% (+ 0.00%*)

60 days at a rate of 11.83% (+ 0.00%*)

90 days at a rate of 12.82% (+ 0.00%*)

180 days at a rate of 14.02% (+ 0.00%*)

360 days at a rate of 19.49% (+ 0.00%*)


best regards
smart

[bitsire]

FYI - the logout link still isn't working for me. I am viewing the English version of the site - when I click the logout link, it kicks me back to the German site and it does appear that I logged out (extra links in the left nav are not visible). However, if  I click the American flag, I go back to the English version and I am still logged in (I can click the savings link in the left nav).

we will fix it asap. sorry for that.

problem is fixed

Yup, working fine now - thanks a lot!

[Retard]

1 % on all saving books the next 6 days until 09/02/12 for our little downtime.


after that we lower the rates  1.5 - 3%

Currently it's possible 5.500,00to invest !

Remaining an amount of up to 131,11 Bitcoin


14 days at a rate of 3.9% (+ 0.00%*)monthly

30 days at a rate of 11.00% (+ 0.00%*)

60 days at a rate of 11.83% (+ 0.00%*)

90 days at a rate of 12.82% (+ 0.00%*)

180 days at a rate of 14.02% (+ 0.00%*)

360 days at a rate of 19.49% (+ 0.00%*)


best regards
smart

[Retard]

Remaining an amount of up to 131,11 Bitcoin

best regards

[support_en.mybitcointrade]

NEWS*

News related to the BitcoinPara.de Project (mybitcointrade.com) can be found here: http://bitcoinpara.de/boerse.php
On this page you will always find all infos about their shares on mybitcointrade.com (e.g. Next Payouts, Next payout per share etc.)

There is still remaining an amount up to 106.22 BTC which can be invested to our savings, before the rates will be decreased on weekend.
So go fast for your little extra


Regards
Simon

[support_en.mybitcointrade]

NEWS*

There is still remaining an amount up to 66.00 BTC which can be invested to our savings, limit will be increased by 100 BTC today at 8 p.m. (CEST/UTC+2) before tommorow the rates will be decreased again to normal (1% extra will be gone).


Regards
Simon

[zyk]

We do not promise everybody 20% interest, just to those who want to take the risk.

Who want to take *what* risk? The risk that you'll decide not to pay them 20% interest?

We are not running a Stock Generation.

What's the difference? Your pitch appears identical to Stock Generation's pitch.

Of course every 'project' offered by us has a different risk, but also a different interest.

In other words, you may or may not pay out on any 'project' based on factors that you won't disclose. What sane person would give money under such terms?

There are also projects, with no risk and fixed payouts.

Sure, as much as you choose to offer them for as long as you let people keep money in them. That sounds a lot like Stock Generation, doesn't it?

We can promise such high rates as we do some investments on our own and also lend some btc.
We speculate with the coins or try to support other projects.

But you don't promise high rates. You make it clear that there's some unspecified risk that the high rates, and even the principal, won't materialize. And you do not make it clear under what conditions principal can be lost. Effectively, you're saying "You might make money, I might keep your money, it's risky. And I won't tell you what determines which of these two things will happen."

Besided this facts, there are many users which like our projects and are satisfied with them.

The same was true of Stock Generation. You've yet to explain how this is different.

JoelKatz please let us/me know, how to proof that this isn't a 'Stock Generation', we're willing to do (nearly) everything.

Explain what the "risk" is precisely and how someone who loses money can tell whether this is because of a legitimate risk that didn't pan out or merely because you decided to keep his money.

All you've said so far is, "You might make a lot of money. Or you might lose money. It's risky. And we won't tell you what the risks are or how we decide whether you make or lose money. It's up to us." Sorry, that's something only a scammer would say.

Your pitch is precisely like this: "Lend me $50 and I'll pay you $10/week. I'll do something with your money that makes money, and I'll share the profits with you. However, it's risky. I might have to stop paying you at some point.." That's just not what an honest business does, because it not only suggests but explicitly allows you to just stop paying because you'd rather keep people's money. You have to say *what* the risk is so that if you do stop paying me, I know it's not just because you decided you'd rather keep my money.

The scam with Stock Generation is not what they did -- with one very minor exception, they kept their promises and did what they said. The scam is the offer itself -- we might or might not pay you based on factors we won't disclose. And that scam offer seems, at least to me, to be your offer. If I'm missing something, please correct me. How is your offer different from the classic SG scam offer?

Please stop being jealous that your chain - letter busted and ours is still running

Feel free to invest in german honesty, if you can´t get rid of your looters at bitcoinmax and the Federal Reserve

Cheers Zyk

[bitsire]

Please stop being jealous that your chain - letter busted and ours is still running

Feel free to invest in german honesty, if you can´t get rid of your looters at bitcoinmax and the Federal Reserve

Cheers Zyk

For the love of God, PLEASE, not this thread too!

[Retard]

Push with new rates.

30   Days at   
11 % (+ 0.00 %*)
   monthly/interest
60   Days at   
12 % (+ 0.00 %*)
   monthly/interest
90   Days at   
13.32 % (+ 0.00 %*)
   monthly/interest
180   Days at   
15.52 % (+ 0.00 %*)
   monthly/interest
360   Days at   
19.46 % (+ 0.00 %*)
   monthly/interest
14   Days at   
3.90 % (+ 0.00 %*)
   monthly/interest

best regards.

[Mosrite]

PONZI ALERT

[Retard]

not realy, good profits the last time. so we can give better rates for all.

[Mosrite]

not realy, good profits the last time. so we can give better rates for all.

This is the Ponziest scam on here. I will alert Byron Micon.

[bitsire]

not realy, good profits the last time. so we can give better rates for all.

This is the Ponziest scam on here. I will alert Byron Micon.

Sigh. What has happened to these forums?

[dust]

not realy, good profits the last time. so we can give better rates for all.

This is the Ponziest scam on here. I will alert Byron Micon.

Sigh. What has happened to these forums?

People learned from pirate and are now more suspicious of scams.

[Bitcoin Oz]

not realy, good profits the last time. so we can give better rates for all.

This is the Ponziest scam on here. I will alert Byron Micon.

Sigh. What has happened to these forums?

People learned from pirate and are now more suspicious of scams.

I wonder which ponzi this one passes through to. MMM ?  What other large ones are operating ?

[dust]

not realy, good profits the last time. so we can give better rates for all.

This is the Ponziest scam on here. I will alert Byron Micon.

Sigh. What has happened to these forums?

People learned from pirate and are now more suspicious of scams.

I wonder which ponzi this one passes through to. MMM ?  What other large ones are operating ?

There is no reason to secretly run a passthrough to a ponzi when it could just be a ponzi itself.  Either way, investors will lose their money, but if it is the operator's own ponzi, they make more.

[Micon]

Push with new rates.

30   Days at   
11 % (+ 0.00 %*)
   monthly/interest
60   Days at   
12 % (+ 0.00 %*)
   monthly/interest
90   Days at   
13.32 % (+ 0.00 %*)
   monthly/interest
180   Days at   
15.52 % (+ 0.00 %*)
   monthly/interest
360   Days at   
19.46 % (+ 0.00 %*)
   monthly/interest
14   Days at   
3.90 % (+ 0.00 %*)
   monthly/interest

best regards.

you are playin' great today

[Retard]

Dividend payouts for the last 2 month

 
                                    Payout /30 Tage(08)   Payout /60 Tage(07)    price per Share     All Shares    Shares available

Mybitcointrade.com                                7.995339 BTC           8.976663 BTC        0.2 BTC         5000                   3300

BTC-Play.com                                        4.148000 BTC           6.128000 BTC       0.1 BTC         5000                     50

Middle Term Loaning                                7.943463 BTC          13.567727 BTC      0.5 BTC        15000                  14796

BitcoinPara.de                                        5.712300 BTC         --------- BTC         0.1 BTC        10000                  2448

Bitcoin-24                                            10.890000 BTC          18.810000 BTC       0.2 BTC         5000
 
Long Term Zig 12 - 30 days                    120.565375 BTC       216.675231 BTC        0.5 BTC         5000                3035

Long Term Zig 20 - 30 days guarante       170.572748 BTC         295.102457 BTC      1.0 BTC         1000                  0

Mid Term Zig 10.5 - 30 days guarante       9.275822 BTC            9.582722 BTC         1.0 BTC         2000                1845



best regards

[zyk]

not realy, good profits the last time. so we can give better rates for all.

This is the Ponziest scam on here. I will alert Byron Micon.

Sigh. What has happened to these forums?

People learned from pirate and are now more suspicious of scams.

I wonder which ponzi this one passes through to. MMM ?  What other large ones are operating ?

There is no reason to secretly run a passthrough to a ponzi when it could just be a ponzi itself.  Either way, investors will lose their money, but if it is the operator's own ponzi, they make more.

There is no business in warning people beforehand, cause there is no proof , my Sirs!, would you please concentrate to prosecute the proven ones on your continent,

as there are a bunch of convicted scammers to be identified and tracked down!!

If I don´t see this properly done and even scammer - tags knowingly avoided for all PPT operators, just shut the fuck up and cover your own traces!

Cheers Zyk

[Micon]

Dividend payouts for the last 2 month

 
                                    Payout /30 Tage(08)   Payout /60 Tage(07)    price per Share     All Shares    Shares available

Mybitcointrade.com                                7.995339 BTC           8.976663 BTC        0.2 BTC         5000                   3300

BTC-Play.com                                        4.148000 BTC           6.128000 BTC       0.1 BTC         5000                     50

Middle Term Loaning                                7.943463 BTC          13.567727 BTC      0.5 BTC        15000                  14796

BitcoinPara.de                                        5.712300 BTC         --------- BTC         0.1 BTC        10000                  2448

Bitcoin-24                                            10.890000 BTC          18.810000 BTC       0.2 BTC         5000
 
Long Term Zig 12 - 30 days                    120.565375 BTC       216.675231 BTC        0.5 BTC         5000                3035

Long Term Zig 20 - 30 days guarante       170.572748 BTC         295.102457 BTC      1.0 BTC         1000                  0

Mid Term Zig 10.5 - 30 days guarante       9.275822 BTC            9.582722 BTC         1.0 BTC         2000                1845



best regards

Cпacибi зa iнвecтyвaння y вepxнiй pociйcькo-yкpaїнcькa aфepa Пoнцi Bitcoin. Mи пpaгнeмo нaдaти кpaщi виcoкoю scammery iнтepec в пpoмиcлoвocтi Bitcoin. Mи пpaцювaли вкpacти кoмпaнiю дo cкaммiнг.

Thank you for investing in top Russian-Ukrainian Ponzi bitcoin scam.  We aim to provide the best high interest scammery in bitcoin industry.  We used to work steal company before scamming.

[Bitcoin Oz]

Reported as a scam.

[support_en.mybitcointrade]

I'm happy to see that much interest on our project, even if the interest seems to have a negative touch.

To clear it out at this point, we haven't scammed anyone in the past and we are not going to do this in the future.
If you think/guess/assume that we're a big russian scam/ponzi/stock generation or whatever kind of bad buisness, I'm totally fine with that and I won't invest more time than I already did to convince anybody from the opposite/truth (and you should simply not invest any coins to our service.)
We're still investigating on a way to prove the investments without revealing too much information (any suggestions, please pm or forum).

It seems like the trend since pirate ran away is to be more careful with the investments, I like this trend, but i don't like to read 'scammer' or anything similar in this thread (but as long you feel you're telling the truth and got the urgent need to tell it to the world/forum, don't stop posting. i just don't like it )
If you feel like, report us to anybody you know as scam or whatever title/word you find for us, but please report your negative experience with our service here in the forum, or tell it to me via skype/pn, i'm sure i can clear things out for you (if you're not completely prejudiced)
Of course if you feel like reporting a positive experience with our service you're also welcome to report it in the forum (you can also tell it to me via skype, i'll listen as soon i have time )

Have a nice day all
Simon

P.S.: Running buisness for over one year now, without ONE negative report so long. Just fyi

[Micon]

I'm happy to see that much interest on our project, even if the interest seems to have a negative touch.

To clear it out at this point, we haven't scammed anyone in the past and we are not going to do this in the future.
If you think/guess/assume that we're a big russian scam/ponzi/stock generation or whatever kind of bad buisness, I'm totally fine with that and I won't invest more time than I already did to convince anybody from the opposite/truth (and you should simply not invest any coins to our service.)
We're still investigating on a way to prove the investments without revealing too much information (any suggestions, please pm or forum).

It seems like the trend since pirate ran away is to be more careful with the investments, I like this trend, but i don't like to read 'scammer' or anything similar in this thread (but as long you feel you're telling the truth and got the urgent need to tell it to the world/forum, don't stop posting. i just don't like it )
If you feel like, report us to anybody you know as scam or whatever title/word you find for us, but please report your negative experience with our service here in the forum, or tell it to me via skype/pn, i'm sure i can clear things out for you (if you're not completely prejudiced)
Of course if you feel like reporting a positive experience with our service you're also welcome to report it in the forum (you can also tell it to me via skype, i'll listen as soon i have time )

Have a nice day all
Simon

P.S.: Running buisness for over one year now, without ONE negative report so long. Just fyi

You stopped trying, so now I stop trying:

In Russia, Ponzi scams you!

[Bitcoin Oz]

I'm happy to see that much interest on our project, even if the interest seems to have a negative touch.

To clear it out at this point, we haven't scammed anyone in the past and we are not going to do this in the future.
If you think/guess/assume that we're a big russian scam/ponzi/stock generation or whatever kind of bad buisness, I'm totally fine with that and I won't invest more time than I already did to convince anybody from the opposite/truth (and you should simply not invest any coins to our service.)
We're still investigating on a way to prove the investments without revealing too much information (any suggestions, please pm or forum).

It seems like the trend since pirate ran away is to be more careful with the investments, I like this trend, but i don't like to read 'scammer' or anything similar in this thread (but as long you feel you're telling the truth and got the urgent need to tell it to the world/forum, don't stop posting. i just don't like it )
If you feel like, report us to anybody you know as scam or whatever title/word you find for us, but please report your negative experience with our service here in the forum, or tell it to me via skype/pn, i'm sure i can clear things out for you (if you're not completely prejudiced)
Of course if you feel like reporting a positive experience with our service you're also welcome to report it in the forum (you can also tell it to me via skype, i'll listen as soon i have time )

Have a nice day all
Simon

P.S.: Running buisness for over one year now, without ONE negative report so long. Just fyi

Thats what pirate said.

[bitsire]

To clear it out at this point, we haven't scammed anyone in the past and we are not going to do this in the future.
If you think/guess/assume that we're a big russian scam/ponzi/stock generation or whatever kind of bad buisness, I'm totally fine with that and I won't invest more time than I already did to convince anybody from the opposite/truth (and you should simply not invest any coins to our service.)
We're still investigating on a way to prove the investments without revealing too much information (any suggestions, please pm or forum).

It seems like the trend since pirate ran away is to be more careful with the investments, I like this trend, but i don't like to read 'scammer' or anything similar in this thread (but as long you feel you're telling the truth and got the urgent need to tell it to the world/forum, don't stop posting. i just don't like it )
P.S.: Running buisness for over one year now, without ONE negative report so long. Just fyi

Well said Simon! Unfortunately I don't think it will do any good because now after Pirate every deposit taker is simply bombarded with baseless accusations and labeled as a scammer without a single shred of evidence. As you said, you've been doing this for over one year now and don't have a single negative report and you even made it through the whole Pirate debacle unscathed yet people still cry scam. Haters gonna hate - just ignore them and keep up the great service!

[bitsire]

Thats what pirate said.

Pirate was also paying out nearly 3x the interest that mybitcointrade pays so they can't be considered one and the same.

[Bitcoin Oz]

Thats what pirate said.

Pirate was also paying out nearly 3x the interest that mybitcointrade pays so they can't be considered one and the same.

Madoff was paying 5% a year.

All of the HYIP schemes need to be run out of town and you will find people now have a low bullshit tolerance.

[zyk]

I'm happy to see that much interest on our project, even if the interest seems to have a negative touch.

To clear it out at this point, we haven't scammed anyone in the past and we are not going to do this in the future.
If you think/guess/assume that we're a big russian scam/ponzi/stock generation or whatever kind of bad buisness, I'm totally fine with that and I won't invest more time than I already did to convince anybody from the opposite/truth (and you should simply not invest any coins to our service.)
We're still investigating on a way to prove the investments without revealing too much information (any suggestions, please pm or forum).

It seems like the trend since pirate ran away is to be more careful with the investments, I like this trend, but i don't like to read 'scammer' or anything similar in this thread (but as long you feel you're telling the truth and got the urgent need to tell it to the world/forum, don't stop posting. i just don't like it )
If you feel like, report us to anybody you know as scam or whatever title/word you find for us, but please report your negative experience with our service here in the forum, or tell it to me via skype/pn, i'm sure i can clear things out for you (if you're not completely prejudiced)
Of course if you feel like reporting a positive experience with our service you're also welcome to report it in the forum (you can also tell it to me via skype, i'll listen as soon i have time )

Have a nice day all
Simon

P.S.: Running buisness for over one year now, without ONE negative report so long. Just fyi

You stopped trying, so now I stop trying:

In Russia, Ponzi scams you!

Hello ?

Here is Germany not Russia or Texas,

put your money , where your mouth is please:       https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=89122.0

Cheers Zyk

[JoelKatz]

Unfortunately I don't think it will do any good because now after Pirate every deposit taker is simply bombarded with baseless accusations and labeled as a scammer without a single shred of evidence.

There was mountains of evidence from the very beginning. The two most obvious pieces of evidence were: 1) He was vague and even contradictory about his actual method of making money and everything he did say made no sense. 2) If he had a way to make so much money, the first thing he would do is pay down ultra-high-interest debt, but he was actually acquiring more of it.

If you think that isn't evidence, then I suspect you don't understand what evidence is.

As for mybitcointrade, the evidence is in the offer. Basically, what they've said is "Lend me $50,000. I'll go to Vegas and gamble it. If we win, we split the money. And if I lose the money, you lose. Oh, and I won't tell you how I lost your money if I do, you'll have to take my word for it." Even if all of that is completely true, and even if they do everything they promise, it's still an obvious scam. Only a complete fool would send someone their money on terms like that.

[zyk]

Even if all of that is completely true, and even if they do everything they promise, it's still an obvious scam.

Is this your academic definition of a scam ?

If a = b and b = c then in no way c = a  , cause Mr. Katz says so ?  You should step out of your circle jerk, just for the honor of evidence!

My cats always tell me that i shouldn´t buy them in a bag or if so , hitting them up i´ll always meet the right one

Cheers Zyk

[JoelKatz]

Cheers Zyk

I hit 'show' even though I have you on ignore just in case you said something coherent. I want my 15 seconds back.

[Monster Tent]

I'm happy to see that much interest on our project, even if the interest seems to have a negative touch.

To clear it out at this point, we haven't scammed anyone in the past and we are not going to do this in the future.
If you think/guess/assume that we're a big russian scam/ponzi/stock generation or whatever kind of bad buisness, I'm totally fine with that and I won't invest more time than I already did to convince anybody from the opposite/truth (and you should simply not invest any coins to our service.)
We're still investigating on a way to prove the investments without revealing too much information (any suggestions, please pm or forum).

It seems like the trend since pirate ran away is to be more careful with the investments, I like this trend, but i don't like to read 'scammer' or anything similar in this thread (but as long you feel you're telling the truth and got the urgent need to tell it to the world/forum, don't stop posting. i just don't like it )
If you feel like, report us to anybody you know as scam or whatever title/word you find for us, but please report your negative experience with our service here in the forum, or tell it to me via skype/pn, i'm sure i can clear things out for you (if you're not completely prejudiced)
Of course if you feel like reporting a positive experience with our service you're also welcome to report it in the forum (you can also tell it to me via skype, i'll listen as soon i have time )

Have a nice day all
Simon

P.S.: Running buisness for over one year now, without ONE negative report so long. Just fyi

Anonymous identity running a high yield investment program = scam.

Sorry thats just the way it is. Hand over all your identifying info to the forum mods and we will leave you alone.

I think this board needs a new rule that "investment programs" can only post here if they go through this process. After all its not a scam right and you have nothing to worry about ?

[zebedee]

Cheers Zyk

I hit 'show' even though I have you on ignore just in case you said something coherent. I want my 15 seconds back.

Lol.

[zyk]

I'm happy to see that much interest on our project, even if the interest seems to have a negative touch.

To clear it out at this point, we haven't scammed anyone in the past and we are not going to do this in the future.
If you think/guess/assume that we're a big russian scam/ponzi/stock generation or whatever kind of bad buisness, I'm totally fine with that and I won't invest more time than I already did to convince anybody from the opposite/truth (and you should simply not invest any coins to our service.)
We're still investigating on a way to prove the investments without revealing too much information (any suggestions, please pm or forum).

It seems like the trend since pirate ran away is to be more careful with the investments, I like this trend, but i don't like to read 'scammer' or anything similar in this thread (but as long you feel you're telling the truth and got the urgent need to tell it to the world/forum, don't stop posting. i just don't like it )
If you feel like, report us to anybody you know as scam or whatever title/word you find for us, but please report your negative experience with our service here in the forum, or tell it to me via skype/pn, i'm sure i can clear things out for you (if you're not completely prejudiced)
Of course if you feel like reporting a positive experience with our service you're also welcome to report it in the forum (you can also tell it to me via skype, i'll listen as soon i have time )

Have a nice day all
Simon

P.S.: Running buisness for over one year now, without ONE negative report so long. Just fyi

Anonymous identity running a high yield investment program = scam.

Sorry thats just the way it is. Hand over all your identifying info to the forum mods and we will leave you alone.

I think this board needs a new rule that "investment programs" can only post here if they go through this process. After all its not a scam right and you have nothing to worry about ?

Please make your "forum mods" showing their interest in preventing scams by locating pirate and cleaning up the PPT´s !!!

As long as this process is energetically delayed and deliberatly hindered by said "mods", you please let indentification and location of chain - letter perpetrators

in german hands, as we are not in Russia or Texas or needing to be bullied by your "mods".

Thanks Zyk

[DeaDTerra]

I invested in the savings book and I got out my 600 BTc within a reasonable time, not saying that this is legit or not, simply stating a fact
//DeaDTerra

[zyk]

I invested in the savings book and I got out my 600 BTc within a reasonable time, not saying that this is legit or not, simply stating a fact
//DeaDTerra

If you don´t think it is legit, please keep it safe, as you´ll recieve a chargeback, when found to be looted.

Alright?

Thanks Zyk

[DeaDTerra]

I invested in the savings book and I got out my 600 BTc within a reasonable time, not saying that this is legit or not, simply stating a fact
//DeaDTerra

If you don´t think it is legit, please keep it safe, as you´ll recieve a chargeback, when found to be looted.

Alright?

Thanks Zyk

I am uncertain to the legitimacy or illegitimacy of this service. But I have chosen to withdraw for now until things clear up. 600 BTC was paid within 48 hours, so a reasonable time.
//DeaDTerra

[Retard]

ty for feedback Deadterra. i hope you are like our service and support.



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Saving Books

Currently there can be 5.000,00 BTC invested at all!

Remaining an amount of up to 650,11 Bitcoin

Actually we will pay for :
Interest chance every Sunday

Only deposit and open a new saving book, all payouts are 100 % save.

Mybitcointrade.com is celebrating its' first birthday this month:

14 days at a rate of 3.9% (+ 0.00%*)monthly

30 days at a rate of 11.00% (+ 0.00%*)

60 days at a rate of 12.00% (+ 0.00%*)

90 days at a rate of 13.32% (+ 0.00%*)

180 days at a rate of 15.52% (+ 0.00%*)

360 days at a rate of 19.46% (+ 0.00%*)

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Fonds


Name of the project:  Mid Term Zig 10.5 - 30 days guarante. Project 18
https://mybitcointrade.com/en/?content=boerse/projekthandel&projektid=18


Distribution of shares:
Limited to 2000 shares, 1 BTC each share
Start of distribution: up from now
Start of payout: 25. July 2012
Dissolution of the fund: 12. nov 2012
Running time: 4 months

Guarantees:
10.5% dividend on the whole running time (guaranteed)+ 2 % Bonus @ the end of the Bond
Buyback for 0.250 BTC / 25% while the running time (guaranteed)
Buyback after the running time for 1.0 BTC / 100% (guaranteed)

Information:
This is a Low risk fond, we guarantee 100% payout. Over the complete time.(4 month)
The shares are distributed at 1.0 BTC, after the distribution the shares are free to trade.
Payouts are done daily, the value of the share on which the dividend depends is fixed at 1.0 BTC.
While the running time (4 months) we guarantee to buy back the shares at 0.125 BTC at anytime.
After the dissolution of the fund, all shares are bought back to the retail price.
We use the shares as an investment capital, NOT IN Pirate Bonds (Low Risk).
The guaranteed buy-back rate will be saved in an offline-wallted and the bitcoins won't be touched by us.
As circumstances require, we'll give out shares or buy them back.
Trading between the users is possible up from the very beginning.
This also includes the issuance and buy-back by us.

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Middle Term Loaning

Good evening, the newest financial figures for the middle term loaning.

Issue of shares
Fixed rate per share: 0.5 BTC

Guarantees
Buyback at 0.125 BTC / 25 % (guaranteed)
Minimum distribution of 1% per week (guaranteed)

Expectations:
Distribution after 4 weeks: 2-3% per week
Distribution after about 4 months: 5% per week

Information:
The shares will have a fixed rate of 0.5 BTC, which will be distributed by us and as circumstances require bought back by us.
We'll use the shares as a find interest, with which we'll be working.
The guaranteed buyback will be saved in an "offline wallet" and stays untouched.
Only when circumstances require we'll give out shares or buy them back.
Trading at a fixed rate of 0.5 BTC is possible. This also includes the issuance and repurchase by us

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High Risk Fond

Name of the project:  'Long Term Loaning ZiggiStar 20% / 30days guaranteed' PROJECT 17
https://mybitcointrade.com/en/?content=boerse/projekthandel&projektid=17

Distribution of shares:
Limited to 1000 shares, 1 BTC each share (500 already sold)
Start of distribution: up from noW
Start of payout: 16. July 2012
Dissolution of the fund: 09. Jan 2013
Running time: 6 months

Guarantees:
20% dividend on the whole running time (guaranteed)
Buyback for 0.250 BTC / 25% while the running time (guaranteed)
Buyback after the running time for 1.0 BTC / 100% (guaranteed)

Information:
This is a high risk fond, so if the volume of capital is lost, we can only guarantee 25% payout.
The shares are distributed at 1 BTC, after the distribution the shares are free to trade.
Payouts are done daily, the value of the share on which the dividend depends is fixed at 1 BTC.
While the running time (6 months) we guarantee to buy back the shares at 0.250 BTC at anytime.
After the dissolution of the fund, all shares are bought back to the retail price.
We use the shares as an investment capital, to invest in other funds (high risk). If the foreign fund will fail, we'll pay back 25% of your investment.
The guaranteed buy-back rate will be saved in an offline-wallted and the bitcoins won't be touched by us.
As circumstances require, we'll give out shares or buy them back.
Trading between the users is possible up from the very beginning.
This also includes the issuance and buy-back by us.

PAYOUTS
NOW LISTED UNDER ACCOUNT HISTORY IN YOU Mybitcointrade.com/en Acc.
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Name of Project: Long Term Loaning ZiggiStar 12% / 30 days PROJECT 16
https://mybitcointrade.com/?content=boerse/projekthandel&projektid=16

Share issue:
Price per share: 0.5 BTC
All Shares: 5000
Start of distribution: 09. july(07). 2012
First Payout: 10.July.2012
Dissolution of the fund: 09.july(07). 2013
Duration: 12 months

Guarantees:
Special campaign until 09. Sept. 2012: 12% distribution per month
While and even after the duration, we buy back the shares for 0.125BTC / 25% (guaranteed).
Minimum distribution per month: 4% (guaranteed)
The divident will be decreased by a maximum of 5% per month. (No limitation on increment!)

Expectations:
Distributions starting from 09. Sept. 2012 10% / month*
Distributions starting from 01. March 2013 16% / month*

Information:
The shares are issued at 0.5 BTC, after the issue the shares are free to trade.
Payouts are done daily and the value of the divident is fixed at 0.5 BTC.
While and even after the duration of 12 months, we guarantee to buy back the share at a rate of 0.125 BTC.
The shares are used as an investment capital, to realize other projects.
The coins needed for our guarantees are saved in an offline-wallet and won't be touched by us, this way we'll be able to payout your guarantee at anytime.
As circumstances require, we'll give out shares or buy back them.
Trading user to user is possible up from the very beginning.
This also includes the issuance and buy-back by us.

DAILY automatic payout on account of Mybitcointrade

PAYOUTS
NOW LISTED UNDER ACCOUNT HISTORY IN YOU Mybitcointrade.com/en Acc.


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Dividend payouts for the last 2 month

 
                                    Payout /30 Tage(08)   Payout /60 Tage(07)    price per Share     All Shares    Shares available

Mybitcointrade.com                                7.995339 BTC           8.976663 BTC        0.2 BTC         5000                   3300

BTC-Play.com                                        4.148000 BTC           6.128000 BTC       0.1 BTC         5000                     50

Middle Term Loaning                                7.943463 BTC          13.567727 BTC      0.5 BTC        15000                  14796

BitcoinPara.de                                        5.712300 BTC         --------- BTC         0.1 BTC        10000                  2448

Bitcoin-24                              10.890000 BTC          18.810000 BTC       0.2 BTC         5000
 
Long Term Zig 12 - 30 days                    120.565375 BTC       216.675231 BTC        0.5 BTC         5000                3035

Long Term Zig 20 - 30 days guarante       170.572748 BTC         295.102457 BTC      1.0 BTC         1000                  0

Mid Term Zig 10.5 - 30 days guarante       9.275822 BTC            9.582722 BTC         1.0 BTC         2000                1845


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Best regards.
Your Mybitcointrade.com Team

[Retard]

We will set the rates for our savings book @ this weekend down (1-3%) 



best regards.

[chungenhung]

requested a withdraw, but didn't receive any coins yet.
could you check?
thanks.

[Retard]

requested a withdraw, but didn't receive any coins yet.
could you check?
thanks.

Large payments need 24-48 hours to complete withdraw. you got the first part of coins.

best regards.

[Micon]

requested a withdraw, but didn't receive any coins yet.
could you check?
thanks.

Large payments need 24-48 hours to complete withdraw. you got the first part of coins.

best regards.

and the partial withdraws + endless stalling starts with yet another... yup, yet another scam.


In Russia, Ponzi withdraws you!

[Retard]

How old are you ?

[Micon]

How old are you ?

old enough to spot a scammer.

back on topic - why can't you fulfill the withdraw request in full?  how many more withdraw requests do you have in the Q?

[Chang Hum]

How do I go about investing 2000 Bitcoins with you? also I'm going to see if my grandmas up for depositing her pension in your scheme looks good mate.

[Retard]

How old are you ?

old enough to spot a scammer.

back on topic - why can't you fulfill the withdraw request in full?  how many more withdraw requests do you have in the Q?

mtg limit is 200 btc 1000 $

If i have verified acc´s ?

number of verified accounts 1/3

but i have no coins on my main wallet. last 3 days i have withdraw 4k coins from there.
i have only coins on the sub wallets. and there is a limit off 200 a day and 1000$

you make a big panik and ppl withdraw,

but for little news MICON in the end of year we stop our service with the saving books and noone have the option to open new saving books.

so i hope you see we work normaly and can payout NOW ALL user completly, only with a small delay but we have more coins as we need......

sorry for my bad english but i hope you undstand this.

and now pls go and troll your own 10 threads......

have a nice day.

[Chang Hum]

How old are you ?

old enough to spot a scammer.

back on topic - why can't you fulfill the withdraw request in full?  how many more withdraw requests do you have in the Q?

mtg limit is 200 btc 1000 $

If i have verified acc´s ?

number of verified accounts 1/3

but i have no coins on my main wallet. last 3 days i have withdraw 4k coins from there.
i have only coins on the sub wallets. and there is a limit off 200 a day and 1000$

you make a big panik and ppl withdraw,

but for little news MICON in the end of year we stop our service with the saving books and noone have the option to open new saving books.

so i hope you see we work normaly and can payout NOW ALL user completly, only with a small delay but we have more coins as we need......

sorry for my bad english but i hope you undstand this.

and now pls go and troll your own 10 threads......

have a nice day.

Oh OK not telling you how to run your business or anything mate, but if you took more deposits from new investors you could use that money to pay out all your previous investors makes more business sense in my opinion than the totally legit way your giving away free money at the moment.

TBH $1000 isn't worth my while I've got more than that stuffed in my underpants at the moment in case I get "caught dry" when using a public toilet. I'll give my Gran a bell and see if she's interested.

Edit: I'm just clowning dawg my Grans dead! out of interest how much "investment bitcoins" have you got for your imaginary business so far?

[support_en.mybitcointrade]

NEWS*

We will close our saving books, to prove we're not scamming anybody. We will pay out every open book, but it won't be possible to create some new.
All left on mybitcointrade will be the fonds, they will still be running, even if the saving books ran out.
It will take some months to pay out every saving book (until the running time will be at its' end).
We're sorry for that step, but we think that is one possible way to prove, we're not some ponzi/scamming sheme.
Probably, if that will give us some trust, we are going to start it again one day, but that's in the future

All payments will be done, they can be delayed a bit, because of the mtgox-daily limit (as mentioned before). I don't really get why you can't wait just 48hours for your coins. I repeat myself, when i'm saying, stay calm and wait for the first negative experience reported in with our service, up to this point, why not give us a chance? I didn't see one unsatisfied customer in the whole time, but many haters and some nervous people. I can understand, that it's not the best thing to wait for his money, but we didn't expect, that some trouble on the forum can have such negative influence on our buisnes. Many thanks to all those people who made this possible, you're awesome (.... not). Sorry to all our regular customers who had the trust in our service so long, we hopefully will be back
So long you can do investments in the fonds, if you like to or just wait until the saving books are up again.

Don't get it wrong, we don't close because we cannot ensure service anymore, but we close to do a little proof on the seriousity of our buisness.

Best Wishes
Simon

[Chang Hum]

NEWS*

We will close our saving books, to prove we're not scamming anybody. We will pay out every open book, but it won't be possible to create some new.
All left on mybitcointrade will be the fonds, they will still be running, even if the saving books ran out.
It will take some months to pay out every saving book (until the running time will be at its' end).
We're sorry for that step, but we think that is one possible way to prove, we're not some ponzi/scamming sheme.
Probably, if that will give us some trust, we are going to start it again one day, but that's in the future

All payments will be done, they can be delayed a bit, because of the mtgox-daily limit (as mentioned before). I don't really get why you can't wait just 48hours for your coins. I repeat myself, when i'm saying, stay calm and wait for the first negative experience reported in with our service, up to this point, why not give us a chance? I didn't see one unsatisfied customer in the whole time, but many haters and some nervous people. I can understand, that it's not the best thing to wait for his money, but we didn't expect, that some trouble on the forum can have such negative influence on our buisnes. Many thanks to all those people who made this possible, you're awesome (.... not). Sorry to all our regular customers who had the trust in our service so long, we hopefully will be back
So long you can do investments in the fonds, if you like to or just wait until the saving books are up again.

Don't get it wrong, we don't close because we cannot ensure service anymore, but we close to do a little proof on the seriousity of our buisness.

Best Wishes
Simon

I sincerely hope all you dickheads fuck off from this forum, what does "fonds" mean (is a word but do you work in archival science!)? in all seriousity (not a word) your buisness (not a word) doesn't exist, yet you can provide massively high returns off a deflationary currency that's risen around 10% in the last month!!

It's embarrassing people are still falling for this shit and it's even worse the mods here allow it.

[Bitcoin Oz]

NEWS*

We will close our saving books, to prove we're not scamming anybody. We will pay out every open book, but it won't be possible to create some new.
All left on mybitcointrade will be the fonds, they will still be running, even if the saving books ran out.
It will take some months to pay out every saving book (until the running time will be at its' end).
We're sorry for that step, but we think that is one possible way to prove, we're not some ponzi/scamming sheme.
Probably, if that will give us some trust, we are going to start it again one day, but that's in the future

All payments will be done, they can be delayed a bit, because of the mtgox-daily limit (as mentioned before). I don't really get why you can't wait just 48hours for your coins. I repeat myself, when i'm saying, stay calm and wait for the first negative experience reported in with our service, up to this point, why not give us a chance? I didn't see one unsatisfied customer in the whole time, but many haters and some nervous people. I can understand, that it's not the best thing to wait for his money, but we didn't expect, that some trouble on the forum can have such negative influence on our buisnes. Many thanks to all those people who made this possible, you're awesome (.... not). Sorry to all our regular customers who had the trust in our service so long, we hopefully will be back
So long you can do investments in the fonds, if you like to or just wait until the saving books are up again.

Don't get it wrong, we don't close because we cannot ensure service anymore, but we close to do a little proof on the seriousity of our buisness.

Best Wishes
Simon

I sincerely hope all you dickheads fuck off from this forum, what does "fonds" mean (is a word but do you work in archival science!)? in all seriousity (not a word) your buisness (not a word) doesn't exist, yet you can provide massively high returns off a deflationary currency that's risen around 10% in the last month!!

It's embarrassing people are still falling for this shit and it's even worse the mods here allow it.

+1

Time to take out the fucking trash.

[pazor]

hello,

Imprint of Bitcoin Börse
Viktor komova..
Talinskaya ulitsa
Russia

any comment for this please!

what is happend?

regards
pazor

[Bitcoin Oz]

hello,

Imprint of Bitcoin Börse
Viktor komova..
Talinskaya ulitsa
Russia

any comment for this please!

what is happend?

regards
pazor

It means you should run very fast in the opposite direction from this scam.

[Charles Bass]

Mybitcointrade.com is currently in mainteance mode.
The website will be moving to a new server and the management will be changed.
We'll announce more info on this topic in the next days, so long please stay calm.

For questions please use admin@mybitcointrade.com

[nio]

When will the site be back up?

Will you pay out the saving books right now or at the end of their runtime?

[xchrix]

i cashed out yesterday afternoon but didnt receive any coins on my wallet yet

[chungenhung]

i cashed out yesterday afternoon but didnt receive any coins on my wallet yet

I cashed out 9/15, and so far haven't got all the coins yet.

[support_en.mybitcointrade]

NEWS*

The domain mybitcointrade.com and the code has been sold to Viktor (Skype: viktor.nachajew ).
The transfer of the domain is still in progress, until this is finished, the page will stay in mainteance.
Account-data for the forum has been sold too (this is my personal last post).
The old team of mybitcointrade wasn't able to keep the project running under this circumstances (loosing users, bad reputation, etc.).
We're not very happy to do this step, but that many withdrawals in the last time and the replies in the forum didn't give us the power and the engagement to work on.

Regards
Simon

[pazor]

do we loose our bitcoin on the bankbooks?
 

[JoelKatz]

The domain mybitcointrade.com and the code has been sold to Viktor (Skype: viktor.nachajew ).
The transfer of the domain is still in progress, until this is finished, the page will stay in mainteance.
Account-data for the forum has been sold too (this is my personal last post).

I didn't know you could sell a debt. That's awesome. Maybe I can find some homeless guy who will buy my $15,000 in credit card debt for a beer. Then when the bank asks me where my payment is, I'll say, "Sorry, I sold all my debt to some homeless guy. Maybe he will pay you back."

[support_en.mybitcointrade]

The bankbooks and the saving options remain the same.
Page should be back in the next days.

[Puppet]

Saw some interesting stuff in the german forum. My german isnt quite up to snuff, so someone correct me if Im wrong, but if you look in this post:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=78684.0

You will see ziggy uses/used "toteviper" as Skypename. The same skypename also appears in this old thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=37782.0;all

Where someone claims to be scammed by "OPSCHINKEN/stammed/Viper/Skype:Toteviper" over a videocard.

It gets better; If I understood correctly, later the alleged wife of OPSCHINKEN (ie, Ziggy) comes to the forum posting  with the name "Deadly":
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=37782.msg465942#msg465942

Claiming her husband, ie Ziggy :drumroll:


died.


Yep, and his wife registered the next day with the name "deadly". Sounds legit. So Ziggy is dead. He died last year .  

Good luck to everyone who invested in this scam. Your coins should be safe, Patrick triple A rated it.

[xchrix]

your "translation" of the german board is right

[Puppet]

your "translation" of the german board is right

Thanks for confirming!

[Puppet]

If anyone wonders why he suddenly "sold" the site to "viktor nachajew " (someone completely unknown to google and with a blank Skype profile), its rather obvious his ponzi was collapsing and he will try to shift blame for the payouts that arent going to happen to this viktor guy.

I did a little more digging for those that cant read german.

The skypename pretty much proves Ziggy == Opschinken.
Opshinken is also known as Slammed (aka Viper aka Crazy and safe to assume, aka his own widow, Deadly):
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=27585.msg354016#msg354016

Slammed has a scammer tag.

Contact info from mybitcointrade  saved here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=37320.msg1198577#msg1198577

Rene Engfer.
Wakendorferstr. 36
24211 Preetz, SH Germany
Mobil : 015144549378

That contact info may of course be completely fictitious (though AFAIK, under German law that by itself would be illegal).  If so, to find his actual address, Xer0 might have it, though its a long time ago, he sent him a PCIe cable:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=25213.msg322447#msg322447

[stiftmaster]

LKTechnik should also have the correct address, he was/is the hoster from mybitcointrade.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=37320.msg1198736#msg1198736

./stiftmaster

[Retard]

Site is back this weekend
sry for problems, more infos to come

sry for bad english customers, but please do not worry

viktor

[chungenhung]

Site is back this weekend
sry for problems, more infos to come

sry for bad english customers, but please do not worry

viktor

Do not worry?
I tried to withdraw several days ago. It got delayed and delayed. And suddenly the site is sold.....

[DeaDTerra]

Site is back this weekend
sry for problems, more infos to come

sry for bad english customers, but please do not worry

viktor

Could you please accept my skype invite or give me a email that I can send a email to?
//DeaDTErra

[nio]

Admins pleas check IP. Is it really different region/provider ... Or same person?

[Bitcoin Oz]

Wow, didnt take this one long to fold.

[Micon]

Site is back this weekend
sry for problems, more infos to come

sry for bad english customers, but please do not worry

viktor

lolz.  

As each Ponzi falls, the end-stall gets better and better.  Wouldn't shock me if some of these were done by the same guy.

Shout to Puppet +1 on basically everything you said / huge research.  

[Bitcoin Oz]

Site is back this weekend
sry for problems, more infos to come

sry for bad english customers, but please do not worry

viktor

lolz.  

As each Ponzi falls, the end-stall gets better and better.  Wouldn't shock me if some of these were done by the same guy.

Shout to Puppet +1 on basically everything you said / huge research.  

None of them have used the "my wallet was hacked" excuse yet.

[Eisenhower34]

I wasnt worried while I thought this biz was in GER / CH hands and running for more than a year. Not even when I read about "delays" in the payment. But now ... how are we not supposed to be worried. An anonymous "Russian" (This is no racism, but Russians have not the best reputation) jumps in after 4 days and "buys" the site. Even if the rest of the story is true, so no ponzi / no payment problems just mtgox limits ... selling your customers to a Russian after 4 days is betrayal on your customer base. If this thing doesnt work out you can be sure to get sued...


Whois mybitcointrade.com

Code:

ISP:                     InterNetworX Ltd. & Co. KG
URL:                     www.inwx.de

domain:                  mybitcointrade.com

created-date:            2012-07-22
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expiration-date:         2013-09-10

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admin-id:                90537
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admin-street:            Wakendorferstr 36
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admin-phone:             +49.15144549378
admin-email:             admin@mybitcointrade.com

tech-id:                 66800
tech-name:               Joel Kuder
tech-street:             Bodenmattstrasse 23
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tech-phone:              +41.797302094
tech-email:              support@paid-4.ch

billing-id:              66800
billing-name:            Joel Kuder
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billing-city:            Reinach
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billing-country:         CH
billing-phone:           +41.797302094
billing-email:           support@paid-4.ch

nameserver:              ns1.cyon.ch
nameserver:              ns2.cyon.ch

whois paid-4.ch

Code:

Domain name:
paid-4.ch

Holder of domain name:
Kuder Joel
Bodenmattstrasse 23
CH-4153 Reinach BL
Switzerland
Contractual Language: German

Technical contact:
Kuder Joel
Bodenmattstrasse 23
CH-4153 Reinach BL
Switzerland

DNSSEC:N

Name servers:
ns1.cyon.ch        [194.126.200.5]
ns2.cyon.ch        [82.197.166.234]

According to: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=11432.0;all

paypal of Rene Engfer ebayerschinken@yahoo.de
Joel Kuderer http://www.lktechnik.ch/impressum

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    Postanschrift
        Joel Kuder
        Bodenmattstrasse 23
        4153 Reinach BL CH

    Telefon
        +41 79 730 20 94

    Elektronisch
        Mail: support@paid-4.ch
        Skype: Lokutos.ch
        klamm.de: 298414/Lokutos

Hotline LKTechnik

Code:

Hotline
Telefon-Kantakt 079 730 20 94
oder +41 (0)79 730 20 94

Joel Kuderer Twitter: http://twitter.com/LKTechnik

Pictures of Joel Kuderer:
http://s1.directupload.net/images/120919/d9tu6ajn.png
http://s1.directupload.net/images/120919/d52w4kxk.jpg

Joel Kuderer Facebook http://www.facebook.com/joel.kuder

Code:

Arbeit und Ausbildung //Work and education

    WMC IT Solutions AG
    Network Engineer · November 2011 bis heute · Basilea, Basel-Stadt, Switzerland

    LKTechnik
    Inhaber und Geschäftsführer · 1. Januar 2010 bis heute · Basilea, Basel-Stadt, Switzerland
    CEO

    Berufschule
    Abschlussklasse 2010 · Dachau

    Fiechten
    Abschlussklasse 2006 · Basel

Info
    Wohnt in Basel
    Spricht Deutsch, Englisch
    Männlich

2011	
    Hat begonnen bei WMC IT Solutions AG zu arbeiten

2010	
    Hat begonnen bei LKTechnik zu arbeiten
    Hat einen Hochschulabschluss von Berufschule

2006	
    Hat einen Hochschulabschluss von Fiechten

designerscripte.net Rene Engfer, offline now with the same error message:

Code:

https://designerscripte.net/index.php?content=/intern/impressum
Impressum von Bitcoin Börse.

Rene Engfer.
Tel:015144549378
Wakendorferstr.36
24211 Preetz, SH
Germany
Betreiber: admin [~at~] mybitcointrade.com

snippis.de Rene Engfer, offline now with the same error message:

Code:

https://snippis.de/index.php?content=/intern/impressum
Impressum von Bitcoin Börse.
Rene Engfer
Holstenweg 13b
24211 Preetz, SH
Germany
Betreiber: admin [~at~] mybitcointrade.com

[JoelKatz]

If this thing doesnt work out you can be sure to get sued...

Best of luck suing them. As I've pointed out over and over until I'm blue in the face, they never claimed your investment couldn't become worthless overnight simply because they decided to drop its value to zero. This is a Stock Generation style scam where the value of your investment is purely up to their whim. They raise the price arbitrarily to induce you to keep investing and reserve the right to reduce the price to zero any time they choose and keep all your money. This is what they *say* they'll do. And you guys still give them your money.

[Puppet]

If this thing doesnt work out you can be sure to get sued...

Best of luck suing them. As I've pointed out over and over until I'm blue in the face, they never claimed your investment couldn't become worthless overnight simply because they decided to drop its value to zero.

This isnt true for all their "projects". Read the first post, their so called bankbook was guaranteed. Most of the other projects have buyback guarantees. Of course, at much lower than face value so investors can still expect to lose most of their investment, but they should get  back more than zero.

[Chong Ciao]

No !
Do you refer to savings - books, when speaking of stockgeneration?
Do you talk about freezers, when you mean canalisation ?
Did you only one time in your live take responsiblity or consequences, when having given wrong advice, because of your limited ability to percieve facts??

[Chang Hum]

No !
Do you refer to savings - books, when speaking of stockgeneration?
Do you talk about freezers, when you mean canalisation ?
Did you only one time in your live take responsiblity or consequences, when having given wrong advice, because of your limited ability to percieve facts??

Who was that aimed at?

[JoelKatz]

This isnt true for all their "projects". Read the first post, their so called bankbook was guaranteed. Most of the other projects have buyback guarantees. Of course, at much lower than face value so investors can still expect to lose most of their investment, but they should get  back more than zero.

There are several ways to get around these "guarantees". For example, they could simply discontinue them -- the guarantee refers to the price, not the offer. Stock Generation had several similar guarantees, and they managed to get around all but one of them. Even if you think these guarantees are solid, as you point out they still permit them to take most of your money -- 75% simply by ending them.

[wuala]

Those are the facts: bitcoin will never rise because many scammers and thieft between us. 
And its so easy to get new email address, new forum user, and new "lies"...
If you value your time and your money you'd better have your ass out of this toilet...
wuala

[markm]

It doesn't usually make much/any sense to invest bitcoins in stuff anyway, you are almosts always (maybe absolutely always?) better off investing fiat, and even then only usually fiat that for some reason you do not want to invest directly into actual bitcoins per se.

-MarkM-

[MPOE-PR]

Im not sure but how can you pay 20% per month for a year without investing into pirate...

I guess you're not familiar with Stock Generation. This looks like the same setup. You pay 20% per month for a few months using your deposits to fund the payouts and strongly encouraging reinvestment. Then, you close down all the funds with guaranteed high rates (or just don't offer them), offering people to either get into non-guaranteed funds at no loss or to take the 75% haircut to cash out. Either way, you make money. Then you just tell everyone in the non-guaranteed funds that you're very sorry but they lost everything. As was made clear, it's risky.

In effect, this can be a Ponzi scheme and can take everyone's money without ever breaching one promise they made. All they've promised is that you might make a lot of profit and that your losses are capped at 75%. It's basically like a casino -- all they're saying is that you might make money and you might lose money. The difference is, they've made no clear disclosure of under what conditions you make and which you lose. It's probably safe to assume you make money when that's profitable for them and you lose money when that's profitable for them.

You will continue to make money so long as their deposits continue to increase. Then they'll buy everyone out for just 25% and keep around 75% of current deposits.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_Generation

The folks at Stock Generation lost in court due to a very slight miscalculation. If these guys learned from that, they can probably run this entire scam (keeping about 50% of total deposits) without breaking any laws.

The giveaway to this is that the investments are said to involve risk with no clear explanation of what the risks are and under what circumstances they lose money. This is what separates something like Stock Generation from a classic Ponzi. (If you read carefully, they can keep most of your money for no reason at all other than that they want to and not break any of their own terms.)

Bitcoin needs more JoelKatzes.

[bulanula]

People barking up the wrong tree here.

Guy who took your moneis = smart1985 = Dominik Baier

Don't be fooled by the name change or the victor russian guy so lame 

http://who.pho.to/dominik_baier_11_internet_ag/ GOT PHONE NUMBER AND EVERYTHING THERE TOO ... ENJOY !

registrant-firstname:            Dominik
registrant-lastname:             Baier
registrant-street1:              Bahnhofsplatz 11
registrant-pcode:                47574
registrant-city:                 Goch
registrant-ccode:                DE
registrant-phone:                +49.15209644300
registrant-email:                smart990@gmail.com

I know this because I doxed him way back when he started the ponzi mybitcointrade.com ...

[Chong Ciao]

Im not sure but how can you pay 20% per month for a year without investing into pirate...

I guess you're not familiar with Stock Generation. This looks like the same setup. You pay 20% per month for a few months using your deposits to fund the payouts and strongly encouraging reinvestment. Then, you close down all the funds with guaranteed high rates (or just don't offer them), offering people to either get into non-guaranteed funds at no loss or to take the 75% haircut to cash out. Either way, you make money. Then you just tell everyone in the non-guaranteed funds that you're very sorry but they lost everything. As was made clear, it's risky.

In effect, this can be a Ponzi scheme and can take everyone's money without ever breaching one promise they made. All they've promised is that you might make a lot of profit and that your losses are capped at 75%. It's basically like a casino -- all they're saying is that you might make money and you might lose money. The difference is, they've made no clear disclosure of under what conditions you make and which you lose. It's probably safe to assume you make money when that's profitable for them and you lose money when that's profitable for them.

You will continue to make money so long as their deposits continue to increase. Then they'll buy everyone out for just 25% and keep around 75% of current deposits.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_Generation

The folks at Stock Generation lost in court due to a very slight miscalculation. If these guys learned from that, they can probably run this entire scam (keeping about 50% of total deposits) without breaking any laws.

The giveaway to this is that the investments are said to involve risk with no clear explanation of what the risks are and under what circumstances they lose money. This is what separates something like Stock Generation from a classic Ponzi. (If you read carefully, they can keep most of your money for no reason at all other than that they want to and not break any of their own terms.)

Bitcoin needs more JoelKatzes.

No please MPOE, my hero, don´t fall for this intellectual and morally completly corrupted brainwashed selfproclaimed truthseeker......again he fails in some muddy ditch far from reality
and prevents prosecution and rightful distribution of the stolen funds! Just watch whats coming up, as you´ll see how it was written in your post - you! ...the community! looses money!

[aghori]

Site is back this weekend
sry for problems, more infos to come

sry for bad english customers, but please do not worry

viktor

Weekend is over...

[Retard]

Site is back this weekend
sry for problems, more infos to come

sry for bad english customers, but please do not worry

viktor

Weekend is over...

... and page going to be online again.
we have some problems with the website but we are currently working to solve it.
Thanks for staying 'calm' to this time.

sorry for bad english.

[aghori]

Site is back this weekend
sry for problems, more infos to come

sry for bad english customers, but please do not worry

viktor

Weekend is over...

... and page going to be online again.
we have some problems with the website but we are currently working to solve it.
Thanks for staying 'calm' to this time.

sorry for bad english.

What kind of problems? When do you expect it to be up? Will withdraws be processed when it is up?

[DeaDTerra]

Site is back this weekend
sry for problems, more infos to come

sry for bad english customers, but please do not worry

viktor

Weekend is over...

... and page going to be online again.
we have some problems with the website but we are currently working to solve it.
Thanks for staying 'calm' to this time.

sorry for bad english.

I have tried contacting both Crazy and Viktor several times through skype and email and I have got no answer.
If this silent treatment keeps up I will have no choice put to post the info I have and the scanned passport pictures on the forums.
Shape up guys!
//DeaDTerra

[chungenhung]

Site is back this weekend
sry for problems, more infos to come

sry for bad english customers, but please do not worry

viktor

Weekend is over...

... and page going to be online again.
we have some problems with the website but we are currently working to solve it.
Thanks for staying 'calm' to this time.

sorry for bad english.

I have tried contacting both Crazy and Viktor several times through skype and email and I have got no answer.
If this silent treatment keeps up I will have no choice put to post the info I have and the scanned passport pictures on the forums.
Shape up guys!
//DeaDTerra

I would post it already. The silent treatment have been long enough.

[DeaDTerra]

Site is back this weekend
sry for problems, more infos to come

sry for bad english customers, but please do not worry

viktor

Weekend is over...

... and page going to be online again.
we have some problems with the website but we are currently working to solve it.
Thanks for staying 'calm' to this time.

sorry for bad english.

I have tried contacting both Crazy and Viktor several times through skype and email and I have got no answer.
If this silent treatment keeps up I will have no choice put to post the info I have and the scanned passport pictures on the forums.
Shape up guys!
//DeaDTerra

I would post it already. The silent treatment have been long enough.

Viktor responded to me today so I will give them a bit more time.
//DeaDTerra

[PatrickHarnett]

Good luck to everyone who invested in this scam. Your coins should be safe, Patrick triple A rated it.

Good post except for the rating, it was, at best, AA- because they didn't provide particularly good disclosure of what they were doing, and missed out on a few other things that would have provided more confidence (so several positions away from the top score they might have achieved).  Also recall those ratings (done some months ago) were on the issuers, not the products they were busy selling.  That they persisted in misrepresenting that was annoying, especially when they popped up in the Chinese sub-forum promoting it incorrectly.

[dust]

Good luck to everyone who invested in this scam. Your coins should be safe, Patrick triple A rated it.

Good post except for the rating, it was, at best, AA- because they didn't provide particularly good disclosure of what they were doing, and missed out on a few other things that would have provided more confidence (so several positions away from the top score they might have achieved).  Also recall those ratings (done some months ago) were on the issuers, not the products they were busy selling.  That they persisted in misrepresenting that was annoying, especially when they popped up in the Chinese sub-forum promoting it incorrectly.

It should have not been anything higher than an F.

[nio]

Ratings seem to work as good as in real life! Perfect.

[Fortega]

There is new info on their homepage

Looks very professional. The 'company' who bought mybitcointrade even has 'security labs' :-s

[cyberlync]

tried to send them a mail recently, here's what I got;

This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification

THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY.

YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE.

Delivery to the following recipient has been delayed:

     admin@mybitcointrade.com

Message will be retried for 2 more day(s)

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[(0) mybitcointrade.com. [199.59.166.86]:25: Connection timed out]

[aghori]

From http://mybitcointrade.com/

We are sorry for the troubles, we are planning to give out better rates to all those who couldn't withdraw.

...

Again, thank you all for stayin so calm,
Mybitcointrade will be back, better, faster and much more secure, stay attention.

[Fortega]

So in a few months, this thread is forgotten and whoever owns mybitcointrade walks away with the money??

[Puppet]

Discussion is still lively in the german forum and a few members are preparing legal action.

[JoelKatz]

So in a few months, this thread is forgotten and whoever owns mybitcointrade walks away with the money??

That's what he said he was going to do all along.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_Generation

[Mushoz]

Site is back this weekend
sry for problems, more infos to come

sry for bad english customers, but please do not worry

viktor

Weekend is over...

... and page going to be online again.
we have some problems with the website but we are currently working to solve it.
Thanks for staying 'calm' to this time.

sorry for bad english.

I have tried contacting both Crazy and Viktor several times through skype and email and I have got no answer.
If this silent treatment keeps up I will have no choice put to post the info I have and the scanned passport pictures on the forums.
Shape up guys!
//DeaDTerra

I would post it already. The silent treatment have been long enough.

Viktor responded to me today so I will give them a bit more time.
//DeaDTerra

Any updates, DeaDTerra? Maybe it's time to post his information?

[Otoh]

Maybe they're trying to drag it out in the hope that pirate pays something on the 4th or 12th or when ever he last said, not that I would put any faith in that happening ever.

[Mushoz]

Maybe they're trying to drag it out in the hope that pirate pays something on the 4th or 12th or when ever he last said, not that I would put any faith in that happening ever.

So you're implying that mybitcointrade reinvested user funds into Pirate's BCS&T? Hmmm, makes sense.

[DeaDTerra]

Site is back this weekend
sry for problems, more infos to come

sry for bad english customers, but please do not worry

viktor

Weekend is over...

... and page going to be online again.
we have some problems with the website but we are currently working to solve it.
Thanks for staying 'calm' to this time.

sorry for bad english.

I have tried contacting both Crazy and Viktor several times through skype and email and I have got no answer.
If this silent treatment keeps up I will have no choice put to post the info I have and the scanned passport pictures on the forums.
Shape up guys!
//DeaDTerra

I would post it already. The silent treatment have been long enough.

Viktor responded to me today so I will give them a bit more time.
//DeaDTerra

Any updates, DeaDTerra? Maybe it's time to post his information?

Super busy at the moment, but when I have more time I am going to gather my info and some info given to me and post a new thread and link to it here. Where everyone can share the info they have and together track them down
//DeaDTerra

[Otoh]

Maybe they're trying to drag it out in the hope that pirate pays something on the 4th or 12th or when ever he last said, not that I would put any faith in that happening ever.

So you're implying that mybitcointrade reinvested user funds into Pirate's BCS&T? Hmmm, makes sense.

Well every other borrower who is now in default either did this blatantly directly & lied about it, or did it inadvertently by lending on to others who then placed the funds with pirate when they lied about what the borrowings were going to be for, but to have lent to them was not appraising the very obvious risks of this happening sufficiently & making provision, either way all the money isn't there to repay or at least some payments would have been made by now to show good faith & it doesn't need a web site to do - to me it looks like he will try to just keep (steal) what he has in hand & any extra he can get back from a few of the ppl he lent on to before coming clean about this or just disappearing.

I believe that he had over 6,000 coins with pirate which I thought were his own, now I doubt that they all were by any means.

[Akka]

The old Hoster of mybitcointrade got a backup of the site running:

http://mbt.lktechnik.ch/

Please note, this site is solely for the purpose of preservation of evidence and not the actual Mybitcointrade. The old hoster got this backup online to enable everyone to get an overview over his funds in this site and to save it as evidence against the actual owner, so please hold back from scam accusation against him.

I endurance everyone who had invested in this site to save a copy of his investments in case it might be needed later.

[aparigraha]

Logging in to that "backup" is a potential bitcoin suicide...

The old Hoster of mybitcointrade got a backup of the site running:

http://mbt.lktechnik.ch/

Please note, this site is solely for the purpose of preservation of evidence and not the actual Mybitcointrade. The old hoster got this backup online to enable everyone to get an overview over his funds in this site and to save it as evidence against the actual owner, so please hold back from scam accusation against him.

I endurance everyone who had invested in this site to save a copy of his investments in case it might be needed later.

[LKTechnik]

Logging in to that "backup" is a potential bitcoin suicide...

Why?

[JoelKatz]

Logging in to that "backup" is a potential bitcoin suicide...

Why?

Because you'd be giving your password to a withdrawal gateway to an unknown entity.

[Akka]

Logging in to that "backup" is a potential bitcoin suicide...

Why?

Because you'd be giving your password to a withdrawal gateway to an unknown entity.

Then just don't log in.

The important thing it. Not matter what will come from MBT all Data is saved and available.

Including:

account balance of every single user
Saving book balance of every user
Stock of every user, including all buys and buy prices and sells and sell prices

and so on.

Most important is IMO the account balance --> unvisited funds that where just kept on the site.

And second the saving book balance, because of the statement that this funds where 100% captured by available capital.

[MiningBuddy]

This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification

THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY.

YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE.

Delivery to the following recipient has been delayed:

     admin@mybitcointrade.com

Message will be retried for 2 more day(s)

Technical details of temporary failure:
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[(0) mybitcointrade.com. [199.59.166.86]:25: Connection timed out]

[ildubbioso]

Why aren't they labelled as scammers?

[JoelKatz]

Why aren't they labelled as scammers?

Because they basically said from the beginning that they reserve the right to run away with your money and give you nothing in exchange.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_Generation

But someone should make a scam accusation. Likely they won't reply.

[DeaDTerra]

I have posted what I know in
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=115572.0
Please help and contribute with any information you might have that could lead to justice thanks
//DeaDTerra

[sunskytang]

German  should do something.

[strello]

What do

German  should do something.

What do you mean?

[sunskytang]

Are you German? Whether these liars are  German or not , at least they claimed  to be German. German's alarming or tracing  is more convenient

[strello]

[gabbergabe]

What do

German  should do something.

What do you mean?

yea lazy german

[danieldaniel]

Is this the only long-term offer that hasn't turned out as a scam?

[Charles Bass]

Is this the only long-term offer that hasn't turned out as a scam?

It was a Scam to...

[mining4fun11]

Another on bites the dust.