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March 26, 2013, 06:19:36 PM
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I think the vanityminer idea is a pretty cool idea.  The prices are so low, I'm not even close to making a profit, but I'm in experimental mode.  For new people like jaywaka2713, they don't really know whether or when miners will get to their work.

I would suggest a sort of bid/ask criteria.  (I privately mentioned something like this to ThePiachu, but he said he doesn't have time.)

One idea is to have miners work on posted requests, but allow the miner to put a price on their work.  "I've solved your hash, but I'd like to receive X.XX BTC for my work."  As with any other market, when bid and ask meet, the transaction takes place.  Here, however, the market is quite thin.  There may be multiple sellers of the solved hash, but there is only one possible buyer.

Maybe a better idea would be for miners to advertize their rate.  Something like "I'm only working on hashes valued at over 8000 satoshis per gigakey".

Customers also need a better idea of the difficulty of their pattern and the value they are offering to miners.

Did you know that a vanity address that starts with an upper case R-Z or a lower case letter is about 58 times harder than a vanity address of the same length that starts with a digit or an upper case A-P?  So, "1Stryker" or "17Stryker" would take about 2 months on my hardware, while "15tryker" would take about a day.

Just some ideas.


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March 26, 2013, 08:22:00 PM
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Blowfeld, 04C13D9C... is mine & I've had about 2 per day solved for the last 3 days or more, many thanks if that's you! - Much appreciated Smiley

& very interesting about the easier & harder prefixes I wasn't at all aware of that.

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March 26, 2013, 10:00:33 PM
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Blowfeld, 04C13D9C... is mine & I've had about 2 per day solved for the last 3 days or more, many thanks if that's you! - Much appreciated Smiley

& very interesting about the easier & harder prefixes I wasn't at all aware of that.
You're welcome for what I did:  I found 1Tarot78 and 1Hashing.  Nothing else for a while.  So, there are other vanity miners doing the majority of your work.  The 1Tarot78 prefix was extremely lucky, because it was equivalent to some 8-character vanity addresses.

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Ah interesting, I see many unusual happenings regarding Tarot which I use in my day to day life/living for many years, please to excuse my minimal fees offered recently, this is because the requested addresses are really just for fun or like as you enjoy solving some even though it may not be the most cost effective use of resources - I have a couple of drinks & think that would be cool to have that one out there in the block chain, at least my public key has some earlier quite fat fees offered to hopefully make it worth mining at once in a while & in the past ppl have pulled in quite decent btc rewards from it, my favorite to date being 1ELiZABETH that I requested for my niece - a cool 9 chars after the 1 & of the harder initial A to P variety even I learn now = all the better.

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March 27, 2013, 03:33:55 AM
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Ah interesting, I see many unusual happenings regarding Tarot which I use in my day to day life/living for many years, please to excuse my minimal fees offered recently, this is because the requested addresses are really just for fun or like as you enjoy solving some even though it may not be the most cost effective use of resources - I have a couple of drinks & think that would be cool to have that one out there in the block chain, at least my public key has some earlier quite fat fees offered to hopefully make it worth mining at once in a while & in the past ppl have pulled in quite decent btc rewards from it, my favorite to date being 1ELiZABETH that I requested for my niece - a cool 9 chars after the 1 & of the harder initial A to P variety even I learn now = all the better.

@Otoh:  Thanks for the info.  But, I think 1ELiZABETH would be among the lower-difficulty 9-letter vanity addresses.  Compare "1NewYork1" (8 letters) to "1p2pCoin" (7 letters) in the table, below.

@all:  The table below shows what is on vanitypool.appspot.com, sorted in descending order of Satoshis per gigakey.  The raw data came from the oclvanityminer with the verbose option, and with the printf tweaked to show Satoshis instead of uBtc.  oclvanityminer always takes the top item from the sorted list and works on it.  "1Douglas" would take about a day on my hardware and would pay 0.008 BTC.  Next, oclvanityminjer would pick up the 2 patterns submitted by 04262ADA.  (1andreas and 1aantonon).  "1andreas" is more likely to be found first, it would take about 2 months on my hardware and would pay 0.40 BTC.  Then 2 more months to find "1JohnGalt".  Then 2 more months to find "1gSILVER".  But this is my hardware.  Let's consider a serious miner...

Using the data from here, and taking the best AMD hardware for vanity mining currently on the Wiki (a Radeon HD 5870), and the highest paying pattern on vanityminer.appspot.com, a Vanity Miner will be paid about 916 Satoshi/Gkey * 30 Mkey/sec * 86400 sec/day = 2374272 Satoshi/day = 0.02374272 BTC/day.

Using data from the same table, and current block difficulty, a Bitcoin miner with the same hardware could expect to earn about 400 Mhash/sec * 86400 sec/day / 2^32hashes/share * 25 BTC/block * 1 block/6695826shares = 0.03004344 BTC/day.

(I hope somebody will check my arithmetic, but I think this explains why your vanity addresses aren't being mined.  As I said before, I'm experimenting, I'm very far from profitability.  @Otoh:  You've been lucky.  Of course, you have also benefited by having 30 to 40 address being mined concurrently.)

@gyverlb:  Are these numbers in line with your choice of vanity mining versus Bitcoin mining?


Code:
Satoshis
per Gkey   Pattern    Reward
--------  ---------  --------
  916     1Doug1as    0.008
  796                Sum over 2 patterns submitted for 04262ADA...
  776     1andreas    0.40
  758     1JohnGALT   0.384
  433     1gSiLVER    0.2232
  395                Sum over 32 patterns submitted for 04C13D9C...
  233     1burrito    0.12
  230     123456789   0.118493
  175     1DanieLRH   0.08868
  168     1swhitt7    0.0864
  158     1Coinbets   0.08
  155     1Satoshi    0.08
  126     17Strykes   0.064
  109     1Casascius  3.20
   63     1Lebanon1   0.032
   54     1kArLMaRx   1.60
   47     1AuGramAu   0.024
   47     1NewYork1   0.024
   47     1p2pCoin    0.024
   31     1TeraVPS    0.016
   29     1tigereye   0.88
   25     1AUSTRALiA  0.72
   25     1Casascius  0.72
   23     1bitpoin    0.012
   21     1EstradaC   0.0104
   20     1aantonop   0.60
   17     1LoveLTCs   0.0088
   16     1ZhouTong   0.48
   11     1111Wish    0.32
    5     1MrCoinMan  0.16
    5     1SkRRJyTC   0.16
    4     1MoLeCuLaR  0.12
    3     1ALiCECiLA  0.08
    3     1Anonymous  0.08
    3     1Fizzisist  0.08
    3     1Konichiwa  0.08
    3     1RedCross   0.08  
    3     1RedQueen   0.08
    3     1STEELERS   0.08
    3     1STEQUALD   0.08
    3     1Satan666   0.08
    3     1Saturday   0.08
    3     1SiLkRoAd   0.08
    3     1SoDesuNe   0.08
    3     1ThankYou   0.08
    3     1Thousand   0.08
    3     1Thursday   0.08
    3     1Universe   0.08
    3     1Washing1   0.08
    3     1currency   0.08
    1     1BitSnitch  0.04
    0     1Rastafari  0.48
    0     1TheDoctor  0.40
    0     1ThePiachu  0.80
    0     1Wednesday  0.08
    0     1WiKiLEAKS  0.08
    0     1SatoshiNak 0.08
    0     1qwertyuiop 1.20

Update:  Correction to formula for bitcoin mining

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March 27, 2013, 11:17:42 AM
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@gyverlb:  Are these numbers in line with your choice of vanity mining versus Bitcoin mining?

I use http://fizzisist.com/mining-value/api/vanitypool-value which outputs the BTC/GKey that oclvanityminer actually works on.

I then compute my estimated earnings with my actual mining speed and power usage for BTC/LTC/Vanity. Vanity uses less power than BTC on my hardware/driver configuration but is a little slower than the estimates used by fizzisist on http://fizzisist.com/mining-value/.

Currently my earnings would be slightly lower if I mined Vanity addresses instead of BTC.

Here's the output of the controller which chooses what my rigs work on:
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130327 12:15:28: BTC/EUR: 66.24, LTC/BTC: 0.0066, BTC/GKEY: 0.000014028, Diff: 6695826.28, LtcDiff: 78.31
btc    (*):  26.19 EUR/j ( 31.89 - 5.70) sat/s:     557.17
ltc       :  25.56 EUR/j ( 32.40 - 6.84) sat/s:     566.18
vanity    :  25.75 EUR/j ( 30.83 - 5.08) sat/s:     538.71

BTC/EUR and LTC/BTC are values computed from exchange APIs and are pessimistic (they react quickly on dives in price but slowly to rises). BTC/GKEY is from fizzisist API and diffs are fetched from local bitcoin/litecoin daemons.

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March 28, 2013, 10:26:35 PM
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There is one thing I do not understand:
Why isn't this vanity miner testing all available works at once? I thought the slowest part in this process is crypting/hashing, so testing result against hundreds/thousands/milions of adresses should not be that big deal (if some smart datastructure like trie would be used...).
Am I wrong?
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There is one thing I do not understand:
Why isn't this vanity miner testing all available works at once? I thought the slowest part in this process is crypting/hashing, so testing result against hundreds/thousands/milions of adresses should not be that big deal (if some smart datastructure like trie would be used...).
Am I wrong?

You can only test concurrently any available work that has the same public key when it was requested.

eg my pub key is A & I request vans:

b, c, d, e, f

all these can be tested or searched for together, as my private key to A gives me the private key solution to them.

but someone else with pub key B requests van gens;

g, h, i

these can't be searched for at the same time as mine as it's a different pub key & hence priv key needed to see/de-crypt the solution.

(A non tech attempt at explanation as I see it - I'm geek lvl @ minus 10 btw, as I'm sure is evident)


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March 31, 2013, 06:47:39 PM
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04C13D9C... is mine

BTW, I have found _two_ '1Lebanon' for you. Do you need second one too? Smiley
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04C13D9C... is mine

BTW, I have found _two_ '1Lebanon' for you. Do you need second one too? Smiley

Thanks for the offer, but one 1Lebanon is quite sufficient & thanks for the other ones solved recently - it was like 5 or so in the last couple of days.

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was like 5 or so in the last couple of days.

The reward is somewhat low for your requests. But it is much more fun to scan for 30+ targets instead of trying to shoot  'JohnGALT' in one sitting.

   
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Much appreciated, yep sry for the recent low rewards, I gave away a lot of coins in other threads recently, like https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=56562.0;all

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There is one thing I do not understand:
Why isn't this vanity miner testing all available works at once? I thought the slowest part in this process is crypting/hashing, so testing result against hundreds/thousands/milions of adresses should not be that big deal (if some smart datastructure like trie would be used...).
Am I wrong?

You can only test concurrently any available work that has the same public key when it was requested.

eg my pub key is A & I request vans:

b, c, d, e, f

all these can be tested or searched for together, as my private key to A gives me the private key solution to them.

but someone else with pub key B requests van gens;

g, h, i

these can't be searched for at the same time as mine as it's a different pub key & hence priv key needed to see/de-crypt the solution.

(A non tech attempt at explanation as I see it - I'm geek lvl @ minus 10 btw, as I'm sure is evident)



You could actually work on all requests at once, if you would be creating simple pubkey-privkey pairs. Once you find one, you give the pubkey and privkey to the requester. Of course there is no guarantee you delete the privkey, so you could steal any funds sent to that address. Or someone steals the privkey from your harddrive, etc.
The beauty in the system here is that you kind of create a pubkey corresponding to a privkey you don't know, but the requester can calculate once he receives your solution. That way only the requester ever has the privkey.
..with the limitation that you can only work on requests from the same, well, confusing, pubkey used to create the request :-)

Either way, would it do any good if we could work on all requests at once, if the securityproblem wasn't there? I am sure people would still offer as little reward as possible. Then you wouldn't earn a few bitcents for a task, but a few bitcents for all requests combined. Regular mining would still be more profitable. Sure, the minimum reward could be adjusted? Same could be done here. So, short answer: Free market and supply&demand. :-)

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After several experiments as a miner I would like to share some ideas for improvements of  the pool operation.

Nothing new, and I am not a native speaker, sorry, I will try.

==== The pool  =======

0) offline generation of private/public key for a customer.  There is no official link to  keyconv binary for Windows on the main page.

1) Low reward problem:

The customer must be warned that the mining software  choose a client to be serviced according to profitability list.

The customer (identified by pubkey)  should _see_ his/her current position  is the list and _add_ money to the reward accordingly  ("I was overbid again, I want be number one again and serviced first")

As far as I understand, how much to add can be calculated via http://fizzisist.com/bounty-calculator/

2) I like the idea to provide a customer with time estimation for job ( "how long will my cheap request wait in the queue"  )

Current  hashkey rate  for the pool can be crudely estimated by summing up difficulties of recently submitted solutions (i think polling /solvedWork page once a second is enough)

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==== The pool  =======

0) offline generation of private/public key for a customer.  There is no official link to  keyconv binary for Windows on the main page.


Do you mean work off the website or private work of your own direct to customers?

If its work of the website you dont need keyconv, just use the -P option on the command line. Click on the link for the name they want generated copy and past the public key and the name they want generated into the command.

eg

vanitygen -P publickey nametheywantgenerated

 ./vanitygen -P 041d2e778ae6d9124736df131cd22d3a2483f336c55156d87a84c4bdc6d89f8518e33de85ae0f90 7a7128c476281bc8cc7742b43a54ccc2c7824dc4c4a438a7fbc 1Boat


This works for oclvanity gen as well even though the -P isnt shown in the programs help output.
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 ./vanitygen -P 041d2e778ae6d9124736df131cd22d3a2483f336c55156d87a84c4bdc6d89f8518e33de85ae0f90 7a7128c476281bc8cc7742b43a54ccc2c7824dc4c4a438a7fbc 1Boat

Imagine following scenario:

1. I want a cool  bitcoin address, e.g. "1ockHard.... "
2. The first question i am asked by the pool: "Your public key:". And there is no indication where can I get this "my public key" from.
3. After a research on some shady forum I get two options to generate a private/public pair:
   3.1 http://gobittest.appspot.com/ Which is obviously wrong because everyone know that one should not disclosure private key. So no online generator for private keys allowed!
   3.2 a command line  utility  "keyconv -G"  is mentioned as an alternative. But as far as I understand the utility is available only as a source code, no windows .exe or GUI. Therefore, one need a compiler and perl (for openssl compilation) installed, just to order an address..






 

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Well its like life a I guess, weigh the risk.

I want a cool bitcoin address, but I just want it to happen without doing anything and no risk. No cool bitcoin address for you.

Or I want a cool bitcoin address, I could use the website developed or software developed by the funding a long time forum/community member has provided.
eg the windows key  manager
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=117050.0

Yes, there is risk he could grab my private key so its not something I would use for large transactions and transfer the bitcoins out of it regularly.

Not happy with the risk then, what can I do to mitigate it? double check the code. It is there for both the windows app and keyconv and compile it.

Dont want to take those steps or take the risk, no cool bitcoin address for you.

And the risk would still be there even if keyconv was pre-compiled.
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Well its like life a I guess, weigh the risk.

I want a cool bitcoin address, I could use the website developed or software developed by the funding a long time forum/community member has provided.
eg the windows key  manager
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=117050.0


Oh! I was just not aware about this link and the bounty posted.  So, the problem is being solved at the moment. The utility  for a potential customer is still incomplete, but anyway.
Sorry.





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looks like http://bitaddress.org (and http://liteaddress.org for litecoin) is a perfect solution for a vanity pool buyers.

It works offline (with the internet switched off) and has a decent random number generator.
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Any chance of a LTC Van addie gen service - I would be most interested if so.

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