GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :)

[mullick]

Something else I noticed about the fishy Cryptsy transactions that are involved in Homero's Paycoin Shuffle. No transaction fee's for withdrawals on those transactions in and out of Cryptsy. I have never tried to move XPY out of Cryptsy, but every other coin has always had a fee to withdraw. Does Cryptsy have a no fee policy for XPY? Or is this more indication of collusion between GAW/Homero and Cryptsy?

I've traded various coins on Cryptsy and they all had fees, xpee is/was no exception unless you know ...gawsome.

Our tx fee we charge is based on the mean over the last 1k transactions we have sent. Paycoin allows for fee free transactions. The fee we charge does not mean we pay that to the network for every transaction. But instead is the average that we pay

So, why are there no fees deducted from this account for all of these withdrawals. None. Zero. The exact amount in is the exact amount out, for each transaction and the total of all transactions. No fees deducted at all.


https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?P9YPFJdBF1ufFuHfCQqjTia6fGJT9fRfP6.htm

So bots buying, selling and transferring without tx fees ?

The outputs are being used in whole to complete other transactions. If you look at the transactions you will see they are combined with more inputs. Fees are bing paid.

Im surprised anyone is taking this as evidence of anything. If you know how to read a block explorer this is perfectly normal activity

 Repeatedly depositing ridiculously small amounts of coins and then immediately withdrawing them to recombine with other coins that come from Homero's stash that are being mixed and shuffled is "perfectly normal". WTF?

Learn how to read a blockchain and come back with a valid argument. Check my edits above

I was not commenting about the fee in that post, perhaps you should learn to read English. Why is it perfectly normal for tiny amounts of coins to be deposited in Cryptsy addresses and then IMMEDIATELY withdrawn and combined with coins from non-Cryptsy addresses that directly tie back to the same source (Homero&Co) of the deposited coins? Does Homero have control of Cryptsy wallets so that he can combine coins going in and out of Cryptsy with raw unmixed pre-mine coins?

They are combined with ALL cryptsy transactions. The block explorer your using doesnt have the ability to tag all cryptsy addresses. These are withdrawals from our hot wallet. Inputs are combined pretty much at random to make the best outputs

The only thing you have proved is those withdrawals came from our hot wallet

Why is it that this withdrawal is perfectly timed with and includes EXACTLY a very small amount (1.41XPY)deposited from the largest wallet in existence? You are saying that EXACTLY 1.41 XPY was needed to make an even 20,000XPY withdrawal at the EXACT same time that EXACTLY 1.41 XPY was deposited? Quite a coincidence.

Inputs are chosen at random. We cannot control that unless we build raw transactions which is unnessecary for the system we have.

It was not needed to complete that withdrawal. It could have chosen others. But it was likely an ideal input to create the smallest transaction.

That is quite an amazing coincidence. A group of 250,000 XPY left an address with over 2,000,000XPY and was shuffled through a dozen addresses and then made a 1.41XPY (YES-one point four one) deposit to a Cryptsy address, and at the EXACT same time a withdrawal of 20,000XPY was made, which happens to end up in the same addresses controlled by the person controlling the wallet from which that 1.41 XPY came from. Please, keep talking. Keep pissing on everybody here and telling us it is raining. I think you know exactly what is going on and eventually you will make a mistake that will allow you to be exposed as part of this scheme.

Think what you want I dont know why I tried in the first place. You obviously will not listen to reason

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[jimmothy]

Once again return the prime controller and delist XPY stop making excuses and pretending you are doing the right thing. How many people do you need to tell you how much of a failure cryptsy is for accepting that prine controller and associating itself with GAW. You money hungry pigs. Fuck cryptsy you just went full retard. never go full retard.

Has a single person even suggested that it might not be a horrible idea for Cryptsy to hold a prime controller? If so I haven't seen it.

This is about as unanimous as public opinions get.

[WaffleMaster]

Oh yes how gracious of Cryptsy to accept that Prime Controller from Josh out of the kindness of their hearts. What a joke. You really trying to spin this to make it seem like you're helping the community? The one you continue to harm by keeping this coin listed? Bad actors.

Once again. Garza was not involved in the transfer of the controller.

At the time the talks about this started Garza had just posted on hashtalk to not upgrade to v2. It made us assume the foundation was trying to do a hard split from gaw and leave them in the dust. Which we supported

Once again return the prime controller and delist XPY stop making excuses and pretending you are doing the right thing. How many people do you need to tell you how much of a failure cryptsy is for accepting that prine controller and associating itself with GAW. You money hungry pigs. Fuck cryptsy you just went full retard. never go full retard.

Yes exactly.

[sublyme]

Contact the authorities with this information, tell them that Cryptsy may be in breach of it's responsibilities.

I never used Cryptsy back in the day when I would exchange altcoins, always heard too much fishy info such as long delays.   Bittrex and Vircurex at the time.  I think Cryptsy is going to end up doing the right thing here, but it does look like that is only happening because they were caught with their hands in the cookie jar.  Sorry Vern.

[cryyptc]

Oh yes how gracious of Cryptsy to accept that Prime Controller from Josh out of the kindness of their hearts. What a joke. You really trying to spin this to make it seem like you're helping the community? The one you continue to harm by keeping this coin listed? Bad actors.

Once again. Garza was not involved in the transfer of the controller.

At the time the talks about this started Garza had just posted on hashtalk to not upgrade to v2. It made us assume the foundation was trying to do a hard split from gaw and leave them in the dust. Which we supported

re: $XPY ^stolen copy/paste code is stolen code pure and simple why you think josh ever agreed to the terms? you a fool! *stop and think about it!!!*

[Biomech]

Oh yes how gracious of Cryptsy to accept that Prime Controller from Josh out of the kindness of their hearts. What a joke. You really trying to spin this to make it seem like you're helping the community? The one you continue to harm by keeping this coin listed? Bad actors.

Once again. Garza was not involved in the transfer of the controller.

At the time the talks about this started Garza had just posted on hashtalk to not upgrade to v2. It made us assume the foundation was trying to do a hard split from gaw and leave them in the dust. Which we supported

re: $XPY ^stolen copy/paste code is stolen code pure and simple why you think josh ever agreed to the terms? you a fool! *stop and think about it!!!*

Truly you have a dizzying intellect.

Do you think you could rephrase that in a manner that conveys some sort of meaning, point, opinion, SOMETHING other than just words strung together?

[Paul Revere]

Something else I noticed about the fishy Cryptsy transactions that are involved in Homero's Paycoin Shuffle. No transaction fee's for withdrawals on those transactions in and out of Cryptsy. I have never tried to move XPY out of Cryptsy, but every other coin has always had a fee to withdraw. Does Cryptsy have a no fee policy for XPY? Or is this more indication of collusion between GAW/Homero and Cryptsy?

I've traded various coins on Cryptsy and they all had fees, xpee is/was no exception unless you know ...gawsome.

Our tx fee we charge is based on the mean over the last 1k transactions we have sent. Paycoin allows for fee free transactions. The fee we charge does not mean we pay that to the network for every transaction. But instead is the average that we pay

So, why are there no fees deducted from this account for all of these withdrawals. None. Zero. The exact amount in is the exact amount out, for each transaction and the total of all transactions. No fees deducted at all.


https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?P9YPFJdBF1ufFuHfCQqjTia6fGJT9fRfP6.htm

So bots buying, selling and transferring without tx fees ?

The outputs are being used in whole to complete other transactions. If you look at the transactions you will see they are combined with more inputs. Fees are bing paid.

Im surprised anyone is taking this as evidence of anything. If you know how to read a block explorer this is perfectly normal activity

 Repeatedly depositing ridiculously small amounts of coins and then immediately withdrawing them to recombine with other coins that come from Homero's stash that are being mixed and shuffled is "perfectly normal". WTF?

Learn how to read a blockchain and come back with a valid argument. Check my edits above

I was not commenting about the fee in that post, perhaps you should learn to read English. Why is it perfectly normal for tiny amounts of coins to be deposited in Cryptsy addresses and then IMMEDIATELY withdrawn and combined with coins from non-Cryptsy addresses that directly tie back to the same source (Homero&Co) of the deposited coins? Does Homero have control of Cryptsy wallets so that he can combine coins going in and out of Cryptsy with raw unmixed pre-mine coins?

They are combined with ALL cryptsy transactions. The block explorer your using doesnt have the ability to tag all cryptsy addresses. These are withdrawals from our hot wallet. Inputs are combined pretty much at random to make the best outputs

The only thing you have proved is those withdrawals came from our hot wallet

Why is it that this withdrawal is perfectly timed with and includes EXACTLY a very small amount (1.41XPY)deposited from the largest wallet in existence? You are saying that EXACTLY 1.41 XPY was needed to make an even 20,000XPY withdrawal at the EXACT same time that EXACTLY 1.41 XPY was deposited? Quite a coincidence.

Inputs are chosen at random. We cannot control that unless we build raw transactions which is unnessecary for the system we have.

It was not needed to complete that withdrawal. It could have chosen others. But it was likely an ideal input to create the smallest transaction.

That is quite an amazing coincidence. A group of 250,000 XPY left an address with over 2,000,000XPY and was shuffled through a dozen addresses and then made a 1.41XPY (YES-one point four one) deposit to a Cryptsy address, and at the EXACT same time a withdrawal of 20,000XPY was made, which happens to end up in the same addresses controlled by the person controlling the wallet from which that 1.41 XPY came from. Please, keep talking. Keep pissing on everybody here and telling us it is raining. I think you know exactly what is going on and eventually you will make a mistake that will allow you to be exposed as part of this scheme.

Think what you want I dont know why I tried in the first place. You obviously will not listen to reason

Fuck what I think. The Blockchain says what I stated is true, that is, a group of 250,000XPY was taken from the #1 richest wallet two days ago. 200,000 was parked in a new address, and 50,000XPY began a shuffle where small amounts are being siphoned off. One of these siphons was a 1.41XPY deposit made to Cryptsy (because- you know- when you have 2,000,000+ XPY you always deposit 1.41XPY in a new account   ) Immediately after this tiny deposit from the richest address was made, it was scraped into a 20,000XPY withdrawal that leads back to the same person controlling the 2,000,0000XPY wallet. And you say this is normal. I agree, this is actually normal, when we are talking about Homero laundering his Pre-mined XPY through Cryptsy.

P.S: Thank you for verifying what I knew but had no proof of, that is that these other addresses that are being used to siphon off amounts from these shuffle groups are in fact Cryptsy addresses, I will try to make good use of this information, thank you very much.

[cryyptc]

Oh yes how gracious of Cryptsy to accept that Prime Controller from Josh out of the kindness of their hearts. What a joke. You really trying to spin this to make it seem like you're helping the community? The one you continue to harm by keeping this coin listed? Bad actors.

Once again. Garza was not involved in the transfer of the controller.

At the time the talks about this started Garza had just posted on hashtalk to not upgrade to v2. It made us assume the foundation was trying to do a hard split from gaw and leave them in the dust. Which we supported

re: $XPY ^stolen copy/paste code is stolen code pure and simple why you think josh ever agreed to the terms? you a fool! *stop and think about it!!!*

Truly you have a dizzying intellect.

Do you think you could rephrase that in a manner that conveys some sort of meaning, point, opinion, SOMETHING other than just words strung together?

oh yeah josh/xpy/gaw is into us for 75BTC re: stealing the name "paycoin" + upon dd ; code appeared to be lifted as well ~ go figure

[zenfur]

Mullick, are you/Cryptsy aware that Garza has been dumping hundreds of thousands of xpy on your exchange? And more importantly do you care?

We have filed all the paperwork we are legally required to about such transactions. It would be illegal for us to stop them

And yes we care. Which is why we wanted to stop at least one prime node from dumping its coins

Im not the person to talk to about those type of legal matters though. Thats another department

Mullick,

Did you just admit that Garza has dumped hundreds of thousands of XPY through Crypsty?
Does that break Client confidentiality in any way?

Also, no offence but you sound like a complete wimp. You were going to take 3 controllers and now you have been scared by a few questions and a few internet posters to change your opinion? What kind of way is that to do business? Or to go back on your word and break an agreement?

[mullick]

One last question: Why do you guys (cryptsy) keep insisting that PC's have sole voting rights over "the peoples coin"? Nobody besides the two guys who were randomly gifted 35 prime controllers agreed to such terms.

Thats actually a great question. And I really dont have an answer. Its more of, if voting is the way it goes then we will use the vote to not favor gaw but rather the users. Otherwise we are just rendering 1 prime controller null. P

I would 100% support a fork removing all prime controllers.

My last comment for the day will be that I know how I think we should move forward. And that is by burning the stake as soon as it confirms. Gifting the prime controller back to the foundation or gaw would not be ideal in my eyes as it will be unknown whats happening with it. But its not only my decision and we will be having a meeting about it in the morning

The only reason I supported getting the node in the first place was to remove control from gaw and the foundation furthering its decentralization. With the end goal hopefully being removal of all prime nodes

[mullick]

Something else I noticed about the fishy Cryptsy transactions that are involved in Homero's Paycoin Shuffle. No transaction fee's for withdrawals on those transactions in and out of Cryptsy. I have never tried to move XPY out of Cryptsy, but every other coin has always had a fee to withdraw. Does Cryptsy have a no fee policy for XPY? Or is this more indication of collusion between GAW/Homero and Cryptsy?

I've traded various coins on Cryptsy and they all had fees, xpee is/was no exception unless you know ...gawsome.

Our tx fee we charge is based on the mean over the last 1k transactions we have sent. Paycoin allows for fee free transactions. The fee we charge does not mean we pay that to the network for every transaction. But instead is the average that we pay

So, why are there no fees deducted from this account for all of these withdrawals. None. Zero. The exact amount in is the exact amount out, for each transaction and the total of all transactions. No fees deducted at all.


https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?P9YPFJdBF1ufFuHfCQqjTia6fGJT9fRfP6.htm

So bots buying, selling and transferring without tx fees ?

The outputs are being used in whole to complete other transactions. If you look at the transactions you will see they are combined with more inputs. Fees are bing paid.

Im surprised anyone is taking this as evidence of anything. If you know how to read a block explorer this is perfectly normal activity

 Repeatedly depositing ridiculously small amounts of coins and then immediately withdrawing them to recombine with other coins that come from Homero's stash that are being mixed and shuffled is "perfectly normal". WTF?

Learn how to read a blockchain and come back with a valid argument. Check my edits above

I was not commenting about the fee in that post, perhaps you should learn to read English. Why is it perfectly normal for tiny amounts of coins to be deposited in Cryptsy addresses and then IMMEDIATELY withdrawn and combined with coins from non-Cryptsy addresses that directly tie back to the same source (Homero&Co) of the deposited coins? Does Homero have control of Cryptsy wallets so that he can combine coins going in and out of Cryptsy with raw unmixed pre-mine coins?

They are combined with ALL cryptsy transactions. The block explorer your using doesnt have the ability to tag all cryptsy addresses. These are withdrawals from our hot wallet. Inputs are combined pretty much at random to make the best outputs

The only thing you have proved is those withdrawals came from our hot wallet

Why is it that this withdrawal is perfectly timed with and includes EXACTLY a very small amount (1.41XPY)deposited from the largest wallet in existence? You are saying that EXACTLY 1.41 XPY was needed to make an even 20,000XPY withdrawal at the EXACT same time that EXACTLY 1.41 XPY was deposited? Quite a coincidence.

Inputs are chosen at random. We cannot control that unless we build raw transactions which is unnessecary for the system we have.

It was not needed to complete that withdrawal. It could have chosen others. But it was likely an ideal input to create the smallest transaction.

That is quite an amazing coincidence. A group of 250,000 XPY left an address with over 2,000,000XPY and was shuffled through a dozen addresses and then made a 1.41XPY (YES-one point four one) deposit to a Cryptsy address, and at the EXACT same time a withdrawal of 20,000XPY was made, which happens to end up in the same addresses controlled by the person controlling the wallet from which that 1.41 XPY came from. Please, keep talking. Keep pissing on everybody here and telling us it is raining. I think you know exactly what is going on and eventually you will make a mistake that will allow you to be exposed as part of this scheme.

Think what you want I dont know why I tried in the first place. You obviously will not listen to reason

Fuck what I think. The Blockchain says what I stated is true, that is, a group of 250,000XPY was taken from the #1 richest wallet two days ago. 200,000 was parked in a new address, and 50,000XPY began a shuffle where small amounts are being siphoned off. One of these siphons was a 1.41XPY deposit made to Cryptsy (because- you know- when you have 2,000,000+ XPY you always deposit 1.41XPY in a new account   ) Immediately after this tiny deposit from the richest address was made, it was scraped into a 20,000XPY withdrawal that leads back to the same person controlling the 2,000,0000XPY wallet. And you say this is normal. I agree, this is actually normal, when we are talking about Homero laundering his Pre-mined XPY through Cryptsy.

P.S: Thank you for verifying what I knew but had no proof of, that is that these other addresses that are being used to siphon off amounts from these shuffle groups are in fact Cryptsy addresses, I will try to make good use of this information, thank you very much.

If their end goal was to launder 1.41 XPY ( less than $1 ) then they did a good job of making it look like an average user getting a payout from a service. Likely a GAW service.

[strangerdanger101]

Didn't Matlock pay half a million for his PC's u think he's just going to burn it?

[sublyme]

Mullick,

Did you just admit that Garza has dumped hundreds of thousands of XPY through Crypsty?
Does that break Client confidentiality in any way?

hah

[cryyptc]

One last question: Why do you guys (cryptsy) keep insisting that PC's have sole voting rights over "the peoples coin"? Nobody besides the two guys who were randomly gifted 35 prime controllers agreed to such terms.

Thats actually a great question. And I really dont have an answer. Its more of, if voting is the way it goes then we will use the vote to not favor gaw but rather the users. Otherwise we are just rendering 1 prime controller null. P

I would 100% support a fork removing all prime controllers.

My last comment for the day will be that I know how I think we should move forward. And that is by burning the stake as soon as it confirms. Gifting the prime controller back to the foundation or gaw would not be ideal in my eyes as it will be unknown whats happening with it. But its not only my decision and we will be having a meeting about it in the morning

The only reason I supported getting the node in the first place was to remove control from gaw and the foundation furthering its decentralization. With the end goal hopefully being removal of all prime nodes

the coins value derived from faith in josh/gaw ... now what you sey hardfork? lols u funny

[Paul Revere]

Something else I noticed about the fishy Cryptsy transactions that are involved in Homero's Paycoin Shuffle. No transaction fee's for withdrawals on those transactions in and out of Cryptsy. I have never tried to move XPY out of Cryptsy, but every other coin has always had a fee to withdraw. Does Cryptsy have a no fee policy for XPY? Or is this more indication of collusion between GAW/Homero and Cryptsy?

I've traded various coins on Cryptsy and they all had fees, xpee is/was no exception unless you know ...gawsome.

Our tx fee we charge is based on the mean over the last 1k transactions we have sent. Paycoin allows for fee free transactions. The fee we charge does not mean we pay that to the network for every transaction. But instead is the average that we pay

So, why are there no fees deducted from this account for all of these withdrawals. None. Zero. The exact amount in is the exact amount out, for each transaction and the total of all transactions. No fees deducted at all.


https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?P9YPFJdBF1ufFuHfCQqjTia6fGJT9fRfP6.htm

So bots buying, selling and transferring without tx fees ?

The outputs are being used in whole to complete other transactions. If you look at the transactions you will see they are combined with more inputs. Fees are bing paid.

Im surprised anyone is taking this as evidence of anything. If you know how to read a block explorer this is perfectly normal activity

 Repeatedly depositing ridiculously small amounts of coins and then immediately withdrawing them to recombine with other coins that come from Homero's stash that are being mixed and shuffled is "perfectly normal". WTF?

Learn how to read a blockchain and come back with a valid argument. Check my edits above

I was not commenting about the fee in that post, perhaps you should learn to read English. Why is it perfectly normal for tiny amounts of coins to be deposited in Cryptsy addresses and then IMMEDIATELY withdrawn and combined with coins from non-Cryptsy addresses that directly tie back to the same source (Homero&Co) of the deposited coins? Does Homero have control of Cryptsy wallets so that he can combine coins going in and out of Cryptsy with raw unmixed pre-mine coins?

They are combined with ALL cryptsy transactions. The block explorer your using doesnt have the ability to tag all cryptsy addresses. These are withdrawals from our hot wallet. Inputs are combined pretty much at random to make the best outputs

The only thing you have proved is those withdrawals came from our hot wallet

Why is it that this withdrawal is perfectly timed with and includes EXACTLY a very small amount (1.41XPY)deposited from the largest wallet in existence? You are saying that EXACTLY 1.41 XPY was needed to make an even 20,000XPY withdrawal at the EXACT same time that EXACTLY 1.41 XPY was deposited? Quite a coincidence.

Inputs are chosen at random. We cannot control that unless we build raw transactions which is unnessecary for the system we have.

It was not needed to complete that withdrawal. It could have chosen others. But it was likely an ideal input to create the smallest transaction.

That is quite an amazing coincidence. A group of 250,000 XPY left an address with over 2,000,000XPY and was shuffled through a dozen addresses and then made a 1.41XPY (YES-one point four one) deposit to a Cryptsy address, and at the EXACT same time a withdrawal of 20,000XPY was made, which happens to end up in the same addresses controlled by the person controlling the wallet from which that 1.41 XPY came from. Please, keep talking. Keep pissing on everybody here and telling us it is raining. I think you know exactly what is going on and eventually you will make a mistake that will allow you to be exposed as part of this scheme.

Think what you want I dont know why I tried in the first place. You obviously will not listen to reason

Fuck what I think. The Blockchain says what I stated is true, that is, a group of 250,000XPY was taken from the #1 richest wallet two days ago. 200,000 was parked in a new address, and 50,000XPY began a shuffle where small amounts are being siphoned off. One of these siphons was a 1.41XPY deposit made to Cryptsy (because- you know- when you have 2,000,000+ XPY you always deposit 1.41XPY in a new account   ) Immediately after this tiny deposit from the richest address was made, it was scraped into a 20,000XPY withdrawal that leads back to the same person controlling the 2,000,0000XPY wallet. And you say this is normal. I agree, this is actually normal, when we are talking about Homero laundering his Pre-mined XPY through Cryptsy.

P.S: Thank you for verifying what I knew but had no proof of, that is that these other addresses that are being used to siphon off amounts from these shuffle groups are in fact Cryptsy addresses, I will try to make good use of this information, thank you very much.

If their end goal was to launder 1.41 XPY ( less than $1 ) then they did a good job of making it look like an average user getting a payout from a service. Likely a GAW service.

The end goal is to launder MILLIONS of XPY through tens of thousands if tiny transactions and thanks in no small part to Cryptsy it is working. I chose one of the tiniest deposits coming from the largest Paycoin address as an example so that it is perfectly clear that this is NOT a normal thing to do. I am confident that the people you are trying to fool here can figure out what is going on, despite your failed attempts to bullshit everyone.

[dooglus]

Gifting the prime controller back to the foundation or gaw would not be ideal in my eyes as it will be unknown whats happening with it.

Given that a prime controller is really just a private key that lets you stake higher, how can you gift it to anyone? You can give them a copy of it, but how do you un-learn the private key?

And rather than all this scraping, burning, etc. why not just remove the private key from your wallet's config file. Then you won't be staking with an unfair advantage and won't have to worry about how to dispose of the ill-gotten gains.

[sublyme]

Didn't Matlock pay half a million for his PC's u think he's just going to burn it?

He is probably just like everyone else Josh suckered.  He gave up his time and skills (whatever those were) in exchange for a share of the cornucopia of riches that is paycoin.  But i'm certain you were being facetious.

[dooglus]

Ah, thank you. I thought I've seen this garbage before. How isn't he perma-banned yet?

Many of his accounts have been, but he just makes more. It's like playing whack-a-mole.

[m3]

Here is an article reporting this whole Craptsy ordeal, share it everywhere you can Cryptsy needs to understand what they are doing is only hurting the community

http://themerkle.com/fraud/cryptsy-becomes-part-of-the-gaw-paycoin-scam/

[bitcoinnoisseur]

^like i said crony capitalists!!! i bet he helped you profit wildly rite? >>> busted this is exactly what we were trying to prove that they stake users' coins and keep it in house<---this

Let's see.
Based on your "use" of english, I have to assume you're either an american or a moron. Maybe both.

BITCOIN-BAR aka Owsley Beats. finally we have a name!

owsleybeatsbigcartel here at BCT
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=125869;sa=showPosts


edit: or maybe not. this is someone who was involved with PYC tho and calls him self BB. lives in cali

cryyptc is the troll known as Owsley Beats, Big Baller, BBmmBB, and a thousand other names. I doubt he's related to BITCOIN-BAR who seems literate, has valid points, and a grasp of logic.

You will find that with this cryyptc troll your life improves immeasurably if you click 'ignore' and get on with your life. He may be agreeing with you in this thread but that is entirely coincidental.

I really, really hope you were joking about Bitcoin-Bar. He is an uneducated, illiterate douche-bag with absolutely no valid points and a complete lack of logic. If you weren't joking then I can only assume that you are just as pathetic as he is.