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July 08, 2012, 08:10:38 AM
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I dont have a problem paying taxes Smiley

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July 08, 2012, 08:12:20 AM
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What disgusts us is that you see broken expensive systems (in some similar, some different ways than the U.S.) in most other countries and your response is to call them "working systems".

That's a very fair point.  Perhaps there is some better idealised system out there that has never been tried.  All I will say is that until you have an example of a working system that is cheaper, socialised medicine fits the description of "working."  

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July 08, 2012, 08:17:19 AM
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While I understand people have limited time during their day, I find it very interesting the posts (and portions of posts) those who support government healthcare choose to respond to, and which ones are snipped or ignored.


I try very hard to limit myself to one logical point per post.  Its the way I do customer service as well which is what I do when not browsing the web or coding/debugging.

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July 08, 2012, 08:21:54 AM
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What disgusts us is that you see broken expensive systems (in some similar, some different ways than the U.S.) in most other countries and your response is to call them "working systems".

That's a very fair point.  Perhaps there is some better idealised system out there that has never been tried.  All I will say is that until you have an example of a working system that is cheaper, socialised medicine fits the description of "working."  

Can't remember whether I picked this up here, or on the tweeters, but, here you go: http://www.freenation.org/a/f12l3.html

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July 08, 2012, 08:38:59 AM
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What disgusts us is that you see broken expensive systems (in some similar, some different ways than the U.S.) in most other countries and your response is to call them "working systems".

That's a very fair point.  Perhaps there is some better idealised system out there that has never been tried.  All I will say is that until you have an example of a working system that is cheaper, socialised medicine fits the description of "working."  

That's like saying your personal, average entry-level PC which currently is infected with a boot sector virus that overwrites every important document you create is a working system, because the average entry-level Mac you could switch to (like I did around 2006) is more expensive.

Broken with nothing cheaper provided as example≠working. Gods help anyone who ever gets "customer service" from you. Deny, deny, deny.

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July 08, 2012, 08:46:39 AM
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What disgusts us is that you see broken expensive systems (in some similar, some different ways than the U.S.) in most other countries and your response is to call them "working systems".

That's a very fair point.  Perhaps there is some better idealised system out there that has never been tried.  All I will say is that until you have an example of a working system that is cheaper, socialised medicine fits the description of "working."  

Can't remember whether I picked this up here, or on the tweeters, but, here you go: http://www.freenation.org/a/f12l3.html

Read the first page and its factually wrong.  The Beveridge Report was commissioned because people in the UK were not getting adequate health care.  Since the NHS was created, everyone has had health care that is free at the point of delivery and that is paid for through the tax system.


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July 08, 2012, 09:05:11 AM
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Read the first page and its factually wrong.  The Beveridge Report was commissioned because people in the UK were not getting adequate health care.  Since the NHS was created, everyone has had health care that is free at the point of delivery and that is paid for through the tax system.

Well, I looked up the Beveridge Report, and I 1) did not find any references to it in the article, and 2) found scant information on Wikipedia, and none linking it to the information in the article. Some explanation would be appreciated.

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July 08, 2012, 09:23:43 AM
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There's something to be said for rejecting others' reality and substituting your own, but all the time, seriously?

In trying to communicate with statists, I fear we're treading dangerously close to meeting Einstein's definition of insanity.

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July 08, 2012, 09:32:04 AM
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There's something to be said for rejecting others' reality and substituting your own, but all the time, seriously?

In trying to communicate with statists, I fear we're treading dangerously close to meeting Einstein's definition of insanity.

...or being trolled. One way or the other, I'm about ready to stop slamming my head into this particular brick wall.

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July 08, 2012, 09:48:42 AM
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Read the first page and its factually wrong.  The Beveridge Report was commissioned because people in the UK were not getting adequate health care.  Since the NHS was created, everyone has had health care that is free at the point of delivery and that is paid for through the tax system.

Well, I looked up the Beveridge Report, and I 1) did not find any references to it in the article, and 2) found scant information on Wikipedia, and none linking it to the information in the article. Some explanation would be appreciated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Beveridge#Report_on_social_insurance

Essentially they found that a more efficient system would make the Brits more prosperous.

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July 08, 2012, 09:58:41 AM
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Read the first page and its factually wrong.  The Beveridge Report was commissioned because people in the UK were not getting adequate health care.  Since the NHS was created, everyone has had health care that is free at the point of delivery and that is paid for through the tax system.

Well, I looked up the Beveridge Report, and I 1) did not find any references to it in the article, and 2) found scant information on Wikipedia, and none linking it to the information in the article. Some explanation would be appreciated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Beveridge#Report_on_social_insurance

Essentially they found that a more efficient system would make the Brits more prosperous.

Again, no indication that the report found that Lodge practice was inefficient, or ineffective, just socialist rhetoric.

So some explanation of how it relates to the article I posted would really be appreciated.

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July 08, 2012, 10:13:03 AM
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Read the first page and its factually wrong.  The Beveridge Report was commissioned because people in the UK were not getting adequate health care.  Since the NHS was created, everyone has had health care that is free at the point of delivery and that is paid for through the tax system.

Well, I looked up the Beveridge Report, and I 1) did not find any references to it in the article, and 2) found scant information on Wikipedia, and none linking it to the information in the article. Some explanation would be appreciated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Beveridge#Report_on_social_insurance

Essentially they found that a more efficient system would make the Brits more prosperous.

Again, no indication that the report found that Lodge practice was inefficient, or ineffective, just socialist rhetoric.

So some explanation of how it relates to the article I posted would really be appreciated.

No - its redundant as we risk repeating the NAP thread. 

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July 08, 2012, 10:17:09 AM
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No - its redundant as we risk repeating the NAP thread. 

Translation: I don't feel like giving a reason why your article is wrong, it just is.

Sounds like we are indeed repeating the NAP thread. Specifically, the part where you could not explain why sometimes, a behavior is reason to violate someone's property rights, and sometimes it is not.

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July 08, 2012, 10:24:39 AM
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No - its redundant as we risk repeating the NAP thread. 

Translation: I don't feel like giving a reason why your article is wrong, it just is.

Sounds like we are indeed repeating the NAP thread. Specifically, the part where you could not explain why sometimes, a behavior is reason to violate someone's property rights, and sometimes it is not.

Property rights are no different to the right to universal health care. 

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July 08, 2012, 10:31:07 AM
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No - its redundant as we risk repeating the NAP thread. 

Translation: I don't feel like giving a reason why your article is wrong, it just is.

Sounds like we are indeed repeating the NAP thread. Specifically, the part where you could not explain why sometimes, a behavior is reason to violate someone's property rights, and sometimes it is not.

Property rights are no different to the right to universal health care. 

Wrong. Property rights are the right not to be told what or what not to do with your body, your land or your money.

The "right" to universal healthcare is the right to have healthcare, at the expense of everyone else.


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July 08, 2012, 10:32:54 AM
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No - its redundant as we risk repeating the NAP thread. 

Translation: I don't feel like giving a reason why your article is wrong, it just is.

Sounds like we are indeed repeating the NAP thread. Specifically, the part where you could not explain why sometimes, a behavior is reason to violate someone's property rights, and sometimes it is not.

Property rights are no different to the right to universal health care. 

Wrong. Property rights are the right not to be told what or what not to do with your body, your land or your money.

The "right" to universal healthcare is the right to have healthcare, at the expense of everyone else.


All that says is that you like one more than the other. 

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July 08, 2012, 10:40:57 AM
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No - its redundant as we risk repeating the NAP thread. 

Translation: I don't feel like giving a reason why your article is wrong, it just is.

Sounds like we are indeed repeating the NAP thread. Specifically, the part where you could not explain why sometimes, a behavior is reason to violate someone's property rights, and sometimes it is not.

Property rights are no different to the right to universal health care. 

Wrong. Property rights are the right not to be told what or what not to do with your body, your land or your money.

The "right" to universal healthcare is the right to have healthcare, at the expense of everyone else.


All that says is that you like one more than the other. 

No, one is negative, the other positive. negative rights can be had by all, without infringing upon another. positive rights do not always meet this criteria.

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July 08, 2012, 10:43:18 AM
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...snip...

No, one is negative, the other positive. negative rights can be had by all, without infringing upon another. positive rights do not always meet this criteria.

And we are back to natural law arguments.  Which are in a parallel thread.  Why not address them there?

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July 08, 2012, 10:53:53 AM
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...snip...

No, one is negative, the other positive. negative rights can be had by all, without infringing upon another. positive rights do not always meet this criteria.

And we are back to natural law arguments.  Which are in a parallel thread.  Why not address them there?

Because inevitably, it gets down to this root level. No matter where we discuss it, you're going to say that some magic piece of paper gives you the ability to force your decisions on me, and me the ability to force my decisions on you, while I say that there is no such right, and we should both leave each other the fuck alone. I have an opinion that I have a negative right to be left the fuck alone, and you have an opinion that you have a positive right to not leave me the fuck alone. There's gonna be conflict there.

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July 08, 2012, 10:58:43 AM
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I wonder if the thread starter is a tax office investigator?

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