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Question: Would you pay taxes if you could live off bitcoins?
Yes, even w/o risks - 35 (38.5%)
Depends on the risks - 22 (24.2%)
No, even w/ risks - 34 (37.4%)
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July 07, 2012, 09:13:32 PM
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No of course he didn't ..........

I give up. You guys are just too retarded to understand or too lazy to try and I not your prent nor your kindergarten teacher, nor a policitian trying to convert you. Good luck figuring it out (maybe e-reading my post in chronological order will help).

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A sad post to end your debate with. Reflects badly on you.

We have differing opinions; that doesn't make either of us retarded or lazy.

Edit: But yeah, enough is enough for one night. Bed beckons.


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July 07, 2012, 09:15:51 PM
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No of course he didn't ..........

I give up. You guys are just too retarded to understand or too lazy to try and I not your prent nor your kindergarten teacher, nor a policitian trying to convert you. Good luck figuring it out (maybe e-reading my post in chronological order will help).

Good night
A sad post to end your debate with. Reflects badly on you.

We have differing opinions; that doesn't make either of us retarded or lazy.



I think its because you are oppressing him, not the other way around. You want to force people to pay for things they don't want/need for people they don't know. He has a right to be pissed at you. You want us locked in a rape cage for disagreeing with you. We just want you to leave us alone.

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July 07, 2012, 09:18:29 PM
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No of course he didn't ..........

I give up. You guys are just too retarded to understand or too lazy to try and I not your prent nor your kindergarten teacher, nor a policitian trying to convert you. Good luck figuring it out (maybe e-reading my post in chronological order will help).

Good night
A sad post to end your debate with. Reflects badly on you.

We have differing opinions; that doesn't make either of us retarded or lazy.



I think its because you are oppressing him, not the other way around. You want to force people to pay for things they don't want/need for people they don't know. He has a right to be pissed at you. You want us locked in a rape cage for disagreeing with you. We just want you to leave us alone.
I never said I thought the punishment for not paying taxes should be prison. Stop putting words in my mouth.


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July 07, 2012, 09:19:22 PM
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We have differing opinions; that doesn't make either of us retarded or lazy.

"Never assume malice when stupidity will suffice."

So you're saying you're malicious in your misinterpretation of the apparent libertarian position, then?

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July 07, 2012, 09:20:16 PM
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No of course he didn't ..........

I give up. You guys are just too retarded to understand or too lazy to try and I not your prent nor your kindergarten teacher, nor a policitian trying to convert you. Good luck figuring it out (maybe e-reading my post in chronological order will help).

Good night
A sad post to end your debate with. Reflects badly on you.

We have differing opinions; that doesn't make either of us retarded or lazy.



I think its because you are oppressing him, not the other way around. You want to force people to pay for things they don't want/need for people they don't know. He has a right to be pissed at you. You want us locked in a rape cage for disagreeing with you. We just want you to leave us alone.



Until you need health care and can't afford it.  Then banging on our door time.

BTW, the rape fantasy works better if you mention the race of the guys banging you.  If you are going to use a cliché, then at least get all the fun elements of the cliché.


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July 07, 2012, 09:21:00 PM
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I never said I thought the punishment for not paying taxes should be prison. Stop putting words in my mouth.
At least you connect the terms rape-cage and prison correctly.

What do you suggest then?

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July 07, 2012, 09:21:57 PM
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I never said I thought the punishment for not paying taxes should be prison. Stop putting words in my mouth.




I'm happy to say that.  If someone wants to be a free-loader, its definitely in my interest that the punishment encourages him to pay his share.

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July 07, 2012, 09:24:16 PM
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We have differing opinions; that doesn't make either of us retarded or lazy.

"Never assume malice when stupidity will suffice."

So you're saying you're malicious in your misinterpretation of the apparent libertarian position, then?
Your quote doesn't apply.

I have been trying to explain the real world effects of the libertarian position, as I see them.

You are free to disagree.  

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July 07, 2012, 09:29:32 PM
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I never said I thought the punishment for not paying taxes should be prison. Stop putting words in my mouth.
At least you connect the terms rape-cage and prison correctly.

What do you suggest then?
I am calling it a night, so don't have time to go into alternative consequences for tax avoision!

But maybe I'll continue this tomorrow.

Good night all.

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July 07, 2012, 09:33:15 PM
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We have differing opinions; that doesn't make either of us retarded or lazy.

"Never assume malice when stupidity will suffice."

So you're saying you're malicious in your misinterpretation of the apparent libertarian position, then?
Your quote doesn't apply.

I have been trying to explain the real world effects of the libertarian position, as I see them.

You are free to disagree.  

Just like I'm free not to pay taxes nor demand medical care, and not be imprisoned or in any way punished by others for it in your fantastical world of statism?

This one's for you, statists:

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July 08, 2012, 12:02:43 AM
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You make it sound simple.  If a man leaves his wife and baby and cancels their insurance, you are 100% happy to let that baby die?

Are you %100 happy to pull out a gun, stick it in the face of the nearest guy and say: "give me money to save the baby or else I'll kill you"? or are you willing to explore non-violent solutions, such as charity.

Also, collectivised healthcare is a Tragedy of the Commons scenario; creating scarcity. Which is why, in the socialised system, you have to wait 4 weeks to see a doctor to save your baby. Are you going to deny the baby immediate care because you have squandered health care resources by eliminating the price system?

Also, socialised health is a moral hazard; people take less care of themselves because society has "got it covered" if anything goes wrong. This also drives up costs and waste.
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July 08, 2012, 12:09:23 AM
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You make it sound simple.  If a man leaves his wife and baby and cancels their insurance, you are 100% happy to let that baby die?

Are you %100 happy to pull out a gun, stick it in the face of the nearest guy and say: "give me money to save the baby or else I'll kill you"? or are you willing to explore non-violent solutions, such as charity.

Also, collectivised healthcare is a Tragedy of the Commons scenario; creating scarcity. Which is why, in the socialised system, you have to wait 4 weeks to see a doctor to save your baby. Are you going to deny the baby immediate care because you have squandered health care resources by eliminating the price system?

Also, socialised health is a moral hazard; people take less care of themselves because society has "got it covered" if anything goes wrong. This also drives up costs and waste.

Clear, concise, no bullshit. I'll add you to my list of people I'll do business with, asdf.  Smiley
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July 08, 2012, 12:26:19 AM
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Q: Would you pay taxes if you could live off bitcoins?
A: Nah, I'd probably give the money to the Mafia like cbeast does.
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July 08, 2012, 12:31:08 AM
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Q: Would you pay taxes if you could live off bitcoins?
A: Nah, I'd probably give the money to the Mafia like cbeast does.

Thank you R-, We know you have a choice in who extorts you, and we're glad you went with Don Corleone.

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July 08, 2012, 12:36:48 AM
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Q: Would you pay taxes if you could live off bitcoins?
A: Nah, I'd probably give the money to the Mafia like cbeast does.

Hey, in the mafia movies they usually only tax the local businesses around 10%, a lot less than the IRS.
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July 08, 2012, 02:53:55 AM
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http://www.econlib.org/library/Bastiat/basSoph5.html

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July 08, 2012, 07:01:43 AM
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You make it sound simple.  If a man leaves his wife and baby and cancels their insurance, you are 100% happy to let that baby die?

Are you %100 happy to pull out a gun, stick it in the face of the nearest guy and say: "give me money to save the baby or else I'll kill you"? or are you willing to explore non-violent solutions, such as charity.

Also, collectivised healthcare is a Tragedy of the Commons scenario; creating scarcity. Which is why, in the socialised system, you have to wait 4 weeks to see a doctor to save your baby. Are you going to deny the baby immediate care because you have squandered health care resources by eliminating the price system?

Also, socialised health is a moral hazard; people take less care of themselves because society has "got it covered" if anything goes wrong. This also drives up costs and waste.

Less fiction please. 
1. There is no wait for emergency treatment in the UK.  Appointments are not needed - you drive up to an out of hours service and are usually seen within 30 minutes.  If you do want to use a GP service, its normally a same day appointment system but that is your choice.  If a doctor made me wait 2 days, I would take my business elsewhere.
2. People in the US die younger than in the UK.  The US pays 90% more for its health care as a percentage of GDP.  The socialised system is more efficient.
3. You seriously think that having people die younger at a greater cost is moral?  I regard it as extortion.

What amuses me is that you see a broken expensive system in the US and your response is "Freedom - hurray" while you see working systems in most other countries and your response is "OMFG oppression." 

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July 08, 2012, 07:19:33 AM
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What disgusts us is that you see broken expensive systems (in some similar, some different ways than the U.S.) in most other countries and your response is to call them "working systems".

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July 08, 2012, 07:22:11 AM
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What disgusts us is that you see broken expensive systems (in some similar, some different ways than the U.S.) in most other countries and your response is to call them "working systems".
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July 08, 2012, 08:00:20 AM
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While I understand people have limited time during their day, I find it very interesting the posts (and portions of posts) those who support government healthcare choose to respond to, and which ones are snipped or ignored.

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