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Yes, even w/o risks - 35 (38.5%)
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July 08, 2012, 04:34:45 PM
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If taxpayers get shafted for Emergency room visits, that's the fault of a government mandate that you would support, not the fault of the voluntary health insurance.

Well if you take that part away, then your case starts to make sense.  Have you any proposals on how to take it away when your compatriots seem to keep voting in politicians who promise never to remove it?


To be honest, I'm not even sure you're right here. Whenever I've gone to the Emergency room with no money, I get a bill. If I don't pay it, which I didn't in one case, it went on my credit and ruined it. It was never paid by the taxpayer as far as I know.
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July 08, 2012, 04:38:02 PM
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I consider Bitcoins to provide Capital gains and those is not taxed where I live.

Where on this wonderful earth is it capital gains free?  And why don't all the hedgefunders move there?

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July 08, 2012, 04:41:57 PM
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I consider Bitcoins to provide Capital gains and those is not taxed where I live.

Where on this wonderful earth is it capital gains free?  And why don't all the hedgefunders move there?

plenty of places, and they have.
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July 08, 2012, 05:40:11 PM
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No of course he didn't ..........

I give up. You guys are just too retarded to understand or too lazy to try and I not your prent nor your kindergarten teacher, nor a policitian trying to convert you. Good luck figuring it out (maybe e-reading my post in chronological order will help).

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We understand.  You don't want to have to pay for health care.  But you do want health care.  What's not to understand?

You don't have to pay for health care in the UK - a homeless person can walk into a hospital and will receive full health care - they don't ask for id or anything. Access to health care is not conditional on providing anything.

For a homeless person, he is taxed when he spends money.  Its 20% VAT on his goods except cigarettes and alcohol where he pays over 60%. 

You may think that 20% tax on all his spending is not much but he has been doing it since he first got pocket money and will carry on doing it until he dies.  Even if he never pays a penny income tax in his life, he pays for his health care through alcohol, cigarettes and VAT.

VAT isn't National Insurance - he pays for walking on the roads, and being hassled by the police - but he doesn't pay for health care (other than paying for educating children who will eventually become doctors). I have no problem with this btw. I think health care is a human right - like education.
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July 08, 2012, 05:48:56 PM
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The arbitrator would evaluate the economic value of the development and if it was high enough, tell the hold-outs to yield up possession.

No arbiter is going to force people off their land. At best, he'll specify the value of the land. "I don't want to sell" is a valid statement for any property. In other words, Build around them. Leave them the fuck alone.

Now, you specify that you want to find a solution that ends conflict. Do you really? Or do you want to find a solution that lets you get your way? Let's look at which of our proposed solutions really ends the conflict on the matter.

Your solution:
Group A wants to build a road/railway/whatever through Group B's land. They take a vote, and Group A ends up in the majority. But before construction can begin, Group B gets up a petition, and forces another vote. This time, Group B ends up in the majority. Group A does the same. and so forth. Conflict not resolved, just continued using proxies.

My solution:
Group A wants to build a road/railway/whatever through Group B's land. Group B says no. Group A decides to leave them the fuck alone, and builds around Group B. The road is built, nobody got forced out of their homes, and the conflict is resolved.

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July 08, 2012, 05:49:12 PM
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To be honest, I'm not even sure you're right here. Whenever I've gone to the Emergency room with no money, I get a bill. If I don't pay it, which I didn't in one case, it went on my credit and ruined it. It was never paid by the taxpayer as far as I know.

So if you can't pay what happens? My understanding is that they have to treat you.

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July 08, 2012, 05:50:48 PM
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The arbitrator would evaluate the economic value of the development and if it was high enough, tell the hold-outs to yield up possession.

No arbiter is going to force people off their land.

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There is a market in arbitrators.  Ones that are pro-growth will have an advantage.  Certainly they will tell people to sell.  The actual forcing off the land will be done by defence agencies.

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July 08, 2012, 05:53:31 PM
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The arbitrator would evaluate the economic value of the development and if it was high enough, tell the hold-outs to yield up possession.

No arbiter is going to force people off their land.

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There is a market in arbitrators.  Ones that are pro-growth will have an advantage.  Certainly they will tell people to sell.  The actual forcing off the land will be done by defence agencies.

No. No arbiter is going to order aggression. Not and keep getting customers. Are you going to address my examples?

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July 08, 2012, 05:54:25 PM
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The arbitrator would evaluate the economic value of the development and if it was high enough, tell the hold-outs to yield up possession.

No arbiter is going to force people off their land.

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There is a market in arbitrators.  Ones that are pro-growth will have an advantage.  Certainly they will tell people to sell.  The actual forcing off the land will be done by defence agencies.

No. No arbiter is going to order aggression. Not and keep getting customers. Are you going to address my examples?

Sorry that's not your decision.  If someone is costing someone else money, an arbitrator will take the case on.

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July 08, 2012, 05:56:58 PM
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No. No arbiter is going to order aggression. Not and keep getting customers. Are you going to address my examples?

Sorry that's not your decision.  If someone is costing someone else money, an arbitrator will take the case on.
Remember when you said this?:
The basis of arbitration is that you can't interfere with my use of my property without my consent.

Yeah.

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July 08, 2012, 05:58:34 PM
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No. No arbiter is going to order aggression. Not and keep getting customers. Are you going to address my examples?

Sorry that's not your decision.  If someone is costing someone else money, an arbitrator will take the case on.
Remember when you said this?:
The basis of arbitration is that you can't interfere with my use of my property without my consent.

Yeah.

Exactly.  And if you are stopping me having a road that increases the value of my property, you are interfering with my use of my property. 

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July 08, 2012, 06:00:59 PM
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No. No arbiter is going to order aggression. Not and keep getting customers. Are you going to address my examples?

Sorry that's not your decision.  If someone is costing someone else money, an arbitrator will take the case on.
Remember when you said this?:
The basis of arbitration is that you can't interfere with my use of my property without my consent.

Yeah.

Exactly.  And if you are stopping me having a road that increases the value of my property, you are interfering with my use of my property. 

No. I'm not stopping you from building a road. I'm stopping you from building a road on my property. Build any road you want. Go the fuck around.

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July 08, 2012, 06:02:46 PM
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To be honest, I'm not even sure you're right here. Whenever I've gone to the Emergency room with no money, I get a bill. If I don't pay it, which I didn't in one case, it went on my credit and ruined it. It was never paid by the taxpayer as far as I know.

So if you can't pay what happens? My understanding is that they have to treat you.

I don't think they have to. Its just that doctors have this thing called human compassion, so that when someone comes in bleeding all over the place they feel like stitching em up. They still bill you though.

Funny how socialists like yourself think that without government, people will start acting like thugs, like all people are assholes. You have a low opinion of people, and want gov't to check them, but fail to realize it is those same people in government doing the checking.

When the truth is- people will be bad and good with or without gov't - gov't just gives the criminals a justified way to plunder.
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July 08, 2012, 06:02:53 PM
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No. No arbiter is going to order aggression. Not and keep getting customers. Are you going to address my examples?

Sorry that's not your decision.  If someone is costing someone else money, an arbitrator will take the case on.
Remember when you said this?:
The basis of arbitration is that you can't interfere with my use of my property without my consent.

Yeah.

Exactly.  And if you are stopping me having a road that increases the value of my property, you are interfering with my use of my property. 

No. I'm not stopping you from building a road. I'm stopping you from building a road on my property. Build any road you want. Go the fuck around.

Sorry - you are interfering with how I want things on my property.  I have to ask you to stop or to agree to arbitration.  If you refuse, I have to kill you.  I have no idea why you are putting me in this position but I can't accept that kind of aggression.

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July 08, 2012, 06:04:15 PM
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To be honest, I'm not even sure you're right here. Whenever I've gone to the Emergency room with no money, I get a bill. If I don't pay it, which I didn't in one case, it went on my credit and ruined it. It was never paid by the taxpayer as far as I know.

So if you can't pay what happens? My understanding is that they have to treat you.

I don't think they have to. ...snip...

Why are you doing this?  There is a legal requirement that they treat you.  You already know that - please limit yourself to the real world.

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July 08, 2012, 06:06:03 PM
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No. No arbiter is going to order aggression. Not and keep getting customers. Are you going to address my examples?

Sorry that's not your decision.  If someone is costing someone else money, an arbitrator will take the case on.
Remember when you said this?:
The basis of arbitration is that you can't interfere with my use of my property without my consent.

Yeah.

Exactly.  And if you are stopping me having a road that increases the value of my property, you are interfering with my use of my property. 

No. I'm not stopping you from building a road. I'm stopping you from building a road on my property. Build any road you want. Go the fuck around.

Sorry - you are interfering with how I want things on my property.  I have to ask you to stop or to agree to arbitration.  If you refuse, I have to kill you.  I have no idea why you are putting me in this position but I can't accept that kind of aggression.

No, he's not. Property is only what you have made use of and/or created. If you have a patch of land, and someone else does, building a road through his property in no way is making use of your own property, but of his. You're just talking jibberish - AGAIN.
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July 08, 2012, 06:08:32 PM
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To be honest, I'm not even sure you're right here. Whenever I've gone to the Emergency room with no money, I get a bill. If I don't pay it, which I didn't in one case, it went on my credit and ruined it. It was never paid by the taxpayer as far as I know.

So if you can't pay what happens? My understanding is that they have to treat you.

I don't think they have to. ...snip...

Why are you doing this?  There is a legal requirement that they treat you.  You already know that - please limit yourself to the real world.

You don't even live here. You don't know. Show me the law that says they are required to treat you and I'll agree with you on that one, but I don't think they are required to treat me if I come in with a paper-cut.

Besides, that part isn't even pertinent to the convo. The point is that the taxpayer isn't billed for the patient not paying, the patient just gets billed.
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July 08, 2012, 06:09:03 PM
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No, he's not. Property is only what you have made use of and/or created. If you have a patch of land, and someone else does, building a road through his property in no way is making use of your own property, but of his. You're just talking jibberish - AGAIN.

Its a NAP world.  You are costing me money.  I demand you stop or that you agree arbitration.  If what you say is what the arbitrator says, you are right.

If not, then pack your bags or make your will.  

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July 08, 2012, 06:10:34 PM
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To be honest, I'm not even sure you're right here. Whenever I've gone to the Emergency room with no money, I get a bill. If I don't pay it, which I didn't in one case, it went on my credit and ruined it. It was never paid by the taxpayer as far as I know.

So if you can't pay what happens? My understanding is that they have to treat you.

I don't think they have to. ...snip...

Why are you doing this?  There is a legal requirement that they treat you.  You already know that - please limit yourself to the real world.

You don't even live here. You don't know. Show me the law that says they are required to treat you and I'll agree with you on that one, but I don't think they are required to treat me if I come in with a paper-cut.

Wimp.  You go to hospitals for paper cuts and look for foreigners to provide statute law for it to be done free.  Be less pathetic.


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July 08, 2012, 06:11:34 PM
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Sorry - you are interfering with how I want things on my property.  I have to ask you to stop or to agree to arbitration.  If you refuse, I have to kill you.  I have no idea why you are putting me in this position but I can't accept that kind of aggression.

Well, my apologies if you want a straight road, but the moment it reaches the edge of your property, it ceases to be your decision. If you would like a road, you'll have to build around me, or convince me to sell... without resorting to violence.

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