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July 08, 2012, 05:58:34 PM
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No. No arbiter is going to order aggression. Not and keep getting customers. Are you going to address my examples?

Sorry that's not your decision.  If someone is costing someone else money, an arbitrator will take the case on.
Remember when you said this?:
The basis of arbitration is that you can't interfere with my use of my property without my consent.

Yeah.

Exactly.  And if you are stopping me having a road that increases the value of my property, you are interfering with my use of my property. 

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July 08, 2012, 06:00:59 PM
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No. No arbiter is going to order aggression. Not and keep getting customers. Are you going to address my examples?

Sorry that's not your decision.  If someone is costing someone else money, an arbitrator will take the case on.
Remember when you said this?:
The basis of arbitration is that you can't interfere with my use of my property without my consent.

Yeah.

Exactly.  And if you are stopping me having a road that increases the value of my property, you are interfering with my use of my property. 

No. I'm not stopping you from building a road. I'm stopping you from building a road on my property. Build any road you want. Go the fuck around.

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July 08, 2012, 06:02:46 PM
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...snip...

To be honest, I'm not even sure you're right here. Whenever I've gone to the Emergency room with no money, I get a bill. If I don't pay it, which I didn't in one case, it went on my credit and ruined it. It was never paid by the taxpayer as far as I know.

So if you can't pay what happens? My understanding is that they have to treat you.

I don't think they have to. Its just that doctors have this thing called human compassion, so that when someone comes in bleeding all over the place they feel like stitching em up. They still bill you though.

Funny how socialists like yourself think that without government, people will start acting like thugs, like all people are assholes. You have a low opinion of people, and want gov't to check them, but fail to realize it is those same people in government doing the checking.

When the truth is- people will be bad and good with or without gov't - gov't just gives the criminals a justified way to plunder.
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July 08, 2012, 06:02:53 PM
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No. No arbiter is going to order aggression. Not and keep getting customers. Are you going to address my examples?

Sorry that's not your decision.  If someone is costing someone else money, an arbitrator will take the case on.
Remember when you said this?:
The basis of arbitration is that you can't interfere with my use of my property without my consent.

Yeah.

Exactly.  And if you are stopping me having a road that increases the value of my property, you are interfering with my use of my property. 

No. I'm not stopping you from building a road. I'm stopping you from building a road on my property. Build any road you want. Go the fuck around.

Sorry - you are interfering with how I want things on my property.  I have to ask you to stop or to agree to arbitration.  If you refuse, I have to kill you.  I have no idea why you are putting me in this position but I can't accept that kind of aggression.

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July 08, 2012, 06:04:15 PM
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...snip...

To be honest, I'm not even sure you're right here. Whenever I've gone to the Emergency room with no money, I get a bill. If I don't pay it, which I didn't in one case, it went on my credit and ruined it. It was never paid by the taxpayer as far as I know.

So if you can't pay what happens? My understanding is that they have to treat you.

I don't think they have to. ...snip...

Why are you doing this?  There is a legal requirement that they treat you.  You already know that - please limit yourself to the real world.

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July 08, 2012, 06:06:03 PM
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No. No arbiter is going to order aggression. Not and keep getting customers. Are you going to address my examples?

Sorry that's not your decision.  If someone is costing someone else money, an arbitrator will take the case on.
Remember when you said this?:
The basis of arbitration is that you can't interfere with my use of my property without my consent.

Yeah.

Exactly.  And if you are stopping me having a road that increases the value of my property, you are interfering with my use of my property. 

No. I'm not stopping you from building a road. I'm stopping you from building a road on my property. Build any road you want. Go the fuck around.

Sorry - you are interfering with how I want things on my property.  I have to ask you to stop or to agree to arbitration.  If you refuse, I have to kill you.  I have no idea why you are putting me in this position but I can't accept that kind of aggression.

No, he's not. Property is only what you have made use of and/or created. If you have a patch of land, and someone else does, building a road through his property in no way is making use of your own property, but of his. You're just talking jibberish - AGAIN.
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July 08, 2012, 06:08:32 PM
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...snip...

To be honest, I'm not even sure you're right here. Whenever I've gone to the Emergency room with no money, I get a bill. If I don't pay it, which I didn't in one case, it went on my credit and ruined it. It was never paid by the taxpayer as far as I know.

So if you can't pay what happens? My understanding is that they have to treat you.

I don't think they have to. ...snip...

Why are you doing this?  There is a legal requirement that they treat you.  You already know that - please limit yourself to the real world.

You don't even live here. You don't know. Show me the law that says they are required to treat you and I'll agree with you on that one, but I don't think they are required to treat me if I come in with a paper-cut.

Besides, that part isn't even pertinent to the convo. The point is that the taxpayer isn't billed for the patient not paying, the patient just gets billed.
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July 08, 2012, 06:09:03 PM
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...snip...

No, he's not. Property is only what you have made use of and/or created. If you have a patch of land, and someone else does, building a road through his property in no way is making use of your own property, but of his. You're just talking jibberish - AGAIN.

Its a NAP world.  You are costing me money.  I demand you stop or that you agree arbitration.  If what you say is what the arbitrator says, you are right.

If not, then pack your bags or make your will.  

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July 08, 2012, 06:10:34 PM
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To be honest, I'm not even sure you're right here. Whenever I've gone to the Emergency room with no money, I get a bill. If I don't pay it, which I didn't in one case, it went on my credit and ruined it. It was never paid by the taxpayer as far as I know.

So if you can't pay what happens? My understanding is that they have to treat you.

I don't think they have to. ...snip...

Why are you doing this?  There is a legal requirement that they treat you.  You already know that - please limit yourself to the real world.

You don't even live here. You don't know. Show me the law that says they are required to treat you and I'll agree with you on that one, but I don't think they are required to treat me if I come in with a paper-cut.

Wimp.  You go to hospitals for paper cuts and look for foreigners to provide statute law for it to be done free.  Be less pathetic.


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July 08, 2012, 06:11:34 PM
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Sorry - you are interfering with how I want things on my property.  I have to ask you to stop or to agree to arbitration.  If you refuse, I have to kill you.  I have no idea why you are putting me in this position but I can't accept that kind of aggression.

Well, my apologies if you want a straight road, but the moment it reaches the edge of your property, it ceases to be your decision. If you would like a road, you'll have to build around me, or convince me to sell... without resorting to violence.

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July 08, 2012, 06:13:03 PM
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Sorry - you are interfering with how I want things on my property.  I have to ask you to stop or to agree to arbitration.  If you refuse, I have to kill you.  I have no idea why you are putting me in this position but I can't accept that kind of aggression.

Well, my apologies if you want a straight road, but the moment it reaches the edge of your property, it ceases to be your decision. If you would like a road, you'll have to build around me, or convince me to sell... without resorting to violence.

You are costing me and 2 million others money.  If the arbitrator agrees you are right, fine.  But if he is pro-growth, you pack your bags. 

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July 08, 2012, 06:14:36 PM
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No, he's not. Property is only what you have made use of and/or created. If you have a patch of land, and someone else does, building a road through his property in no way is making use of your own property, but of his. You're just talking jibberish - AGAIN.

Its a NAP world.  You are costing me money.  I demand you stop or that you agree arbitration.  If what you say is what the arbitrator says, you are right.

If not, then pack your bags or make your will.  

You would have a hard time proving to a common law jury that someone was costing you money by not letting you use their land.

That's not much different than me suing people for not buying my product.
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To be honest, I'm not even sure you're right here. Whenever I've gone to the Emergency room with no money, I get a bill. If I don't pay it, which I didn't in one case, it went on my credit and ruined it. It was never paid by the taxpayer as far as I know.

So if you can't pay what happens? My understanding is that they have to treat you.

I don't think they have to. ...snip...

Why are you doing this?  There is a legal requirement that they treat you.  You already know that - please limit yourself to the real world.

You don't even live here. You don't know. Show me the law that says they are required to treat you and I'll agree with you on that one, but I don't think they are required to treat me if I come in with a paper-cut.

Wimp.  You go to hospitals for paper cuts and look for foreigners to provide statute law for it to be done free.  Be less pathetic.


Sooo...you're admitting you didn't know what you were talking about?
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No, he's not. Property is only what you have made use of and/or created. If you have a patch of land, and someone else does, building a road through his property in no way is making use of your own property, but of his. You're just talking jibberish - AGAIN.

Its a NAP world.  You are costing me money.  I demand you stop or that you agree arbitration.  If what you say is what the arbitrator says, you are right.

If not, then pack your bags or make your will.  

You would have a hard time proving to a common law jury that someone was costing you money by not letting you use their land.

That's not much different than me suing people for not buying my product.

I agree.  But I said that this was a NAP example.  Of course if there was a common law jury, there would be a land registry backed by the state.  And I'd then have to fuck off :p

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July 08, 2012, 06:17:51 PM
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Sorry - you are interfering with how I want things on my property.  I have to ask you to stop or to agree to arbitration.  If you refuse, I have to kill you.  I have no idea why you are putting me in this position but I can't accept that kind of aggression.

Well, my apologies if you want a straight road, but the moment it reaches the edge of your property, it ceases to be your decision. If you would like a road, you'll have to build around me, or convince me to sell... without resorting to violence.

You are costing me and 2 million others money.  If the arbitrator agrees you are right, fine.  But if he is pro-growth, you pack your bags. 

To paraphrase Buddha, Your desire for a straight road is causing you your suffering. I am not costing you a penny. Your desire for a straight road is.

Remember when you said this?:
The basis of arbitration is that you can't interfere with my use of my property without my consent.

Yeah. My use of my property is to continue living on it.

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Wimp.  You go to hospitals for paper cuts and look for foreigners to provide statute law for it to be done free.  Be less pathetic.


Sooo...you're admitting you didn't know what you were talking about?

I know exactly what I am taking about.  You are asking me to find a statute that obliges free treatment of papercuts.  And that's pathetic.  You get free treatment of emergencies - be grateful for that.  

Better still, stop free-loading and buy insurance.

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July 08, 2012, 06:18:40 PM
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No, he's not. Property is only what you have made use of and/or created. If you have a patch of land, and someone else does, building a road through his property in no way is making use of your own property, but of his. You're just talking jibberish - AGAIN.

Its a NAP world.  You are costing me money.  I demand you stop or that you agree arbitration.  If what you say is what the arbitrator says, you are right.

If not, then pack your bags or make your will.  

You would have a hard time proving to a common law jury that someone was costing you money by not letting you use their land.

That's not much different than me suing people for not buying my product.

I agree.  But I said that this was a NAP example.  Of course if there was a common law jury, there would be a land registry backed by the state.  And I'd then have to fuck off :p

"Of course if there was a common law jury, there would be a land registry backed by the state."

That's what is called an invalid assumption. 'A' does not necessarily mean 'B' in your example.

Following the NAP would mean you were the aggressor by trying to build on his land. The exception would be if he was doing nothing with the land and had no plans to.
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July 08, 2012, 06:19:05 PM
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Sorry - you are interfering with how I want things on my property.  I have to ask you to stop or to agree to arbitration.  If you refuse, I have to kill you.  I have no idea why you are putting me in this position but I can't accept that kind of aggression.

Well, my apologies if you want a straight road, but the moment it reaches the edge of your property, it ceases to be your decision. If you would like a road, you'll have to build around me, or convince me to sell... without resorting to violence.

You are costing me and 2 million others money.  If the arbitrator agrees you are right, fine.  But if he is pro-growth, you pack your bags. 

To paraphrase Buddha, Your desire for a straight road is causing you your suffering. I am not costing you a penny. Your desire for a straight road is.

Remember when you said this?:
The basis of arbitration is that you can't interfere with my use of my property without my consent.

Yeah. My use of my property is to continue living on it.

So we disagree.  It has to go to arbitration.

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July 08, 2012, 06:20:02 PM
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Wimp.  You go to hospitals for paper cuts and look for foreigners to provide statute law for it to be done free.  Be less pathetic.


Sooo...you're admitting you didn't know what you were talking about?

I know exactly what I am taking about.  You are asking me to find a statute that obliges free treatment of papercuts.  And that's pathetic.  You get free treatment of emergencies - be grateful for that.  

Better still, stop free-loading and buy insurance.

So by redirecting the argument onto this un-important matter, are you dodging the fact you were wrong about taxpayers footing the bill for patients who can't pay?
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July 08, 2012, 06:20:54 PM
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Sorry - you are interfering with how I want things on my property.  I have to ask you to stop or to agree to arbitration.  If you refuse, I have to kill you.  I have no idea why you are putting me in this position but I can't accept that kind of aggression.

Well, my apologies if you want a straight road, but the moment it reaches the edge of your property, it ceases to be your decision. If you would like a road, you'll have to build around me, or convince me to sell... without resorting to violence.

You are costing me and 2 million others money.  If the arbitrator agrees you are right, fine.  But if he is pro-growth, you pack your bags. 

To paraphrase Buddha, Your desire for a straight road is causing you your suffering. I am not costing you a penny. Your desire for a straight road is.

Remember when you said this?:
The basis of arbitration is that you can't interfere with my use of my property without my consent.

Yeah. My use of my property is to continue living on it.

So we disagree.  It has to go to arbitration.

And any sane arbiter would tell you to get fucked.
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