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July 18, 2012, 12:01:42 AM
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Computers are color blind.

Try to read it with your smartphone, it should do it just fine.
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July 18, 2012, 12:07:20 AM
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White..



Contrast is best..

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July 18, 2012, 12:25:34 AM
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Actually I'm pretty sure all your cameras on your phones take pictures in color Tongue

The base QR algorithm used in any decent apps have a threshold range yes, but that's usually like a RGB change of about 10, anything more than that and it's fine using colors, it uses filtering of light-vs-dark as binary, not specific color palettes. The WHOLE background area DOES need to match as solid, but it samples the 'background color' from the area around the location marks in the corners. The standards are a blank area outline surrounding the code and must be pseudo-solid color background. That example matches the required specifications fine.

For a light color like that it's fine. You don't even need to use black if I recall correct, just it's the most contrasted color Tongue
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July 18, 2012, 01:30:14 AM
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i tried doing a bitcoin banknote once upon a time

here's what i came up with ...



front and back

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July 18, 2012, 02:15:05 AM
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I hate QR squares! You can't tell what they are. I suppose the QR barcode IP is all patented. It would be nice if Bitcoin had its own scannable thingamabob. We should make them all in florescent colors or something.

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July 18, 2012, 02:22:36 AM
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I believe the patent owner says the public may use it. It belongs to some Japanese company.

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July 18, 2012, 02:44:29 AM
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I hate QR squares! You can't tell what they are. I suppose the QR barcode IP is all patented. It would be nice if Bitcoin had its own scannable thingamabob. We should make them all in florescent colors or something.

Give it a whirl...the right colors and it might work!

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July 18, 2012, 10:07:17 AM
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We should make them all in florescent colors or something.

Yes one can make them look ok


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July 18, 2012, 10:35:35 AM
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Mess with the QR code too much, and some device somewhere at some time won't be able to read it. "It works with my device" is not an argument a designer should use.

It's not that bad to prefer function over form.
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July 18, 2012, 10:47:18 AM
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It's not that bad to prefer function over form.

Use punchcards still do we? Form often drives technology.

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July 18, 2012, 12:48:02 PM
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Just leaving this here for whoever will work on the website as I think it will be handy.

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July 18, 2012, 01:00:41 PM
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I regularly scan QR codes with a handheld laser scanner. This scanner uses a red laser and likely a monochrome CCD sensor.

It is less tolerant of style and color but it is very fast and very tolerant of unusual scanning angles and poor ambient lighting conditions.

Tradeoffs like this favor the rapid scanning you would want to see in a retail setting.  It is the only way retail POS systems are ever going to practically accept bitcoins (besides digital ones sent via smartphone).  Favoring it and not assuming all QR codes will be targeting a color smartphone camera is a good idea.

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July 18, 2012, 03:12:10 PM
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Mess with the QR code too much, and some device somewhere at some time won't be able to read it. "It works with my device" is not an argument a designer should use.
I rarely ever agree with Vandroiy; however he is 100% on this.  We are not trying to be Apple (are we?)  also keep in mind that these bills may be given to people who are like 'WTF is bitcoin?' but QR codes are becoming more and more widespread new (even on my potato chips and ketchup).  If you start changing that your average user may not connect it is a QR code and say 'OH gee thanks for this piece of paper, but i don't know what to do with it'

To specifically hit on the bolded part of the quote: There are reasons there are specifications and not just "hey make it kinda like this, test it on your smartphone, then you are good to go!"

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July 18, 2012, 04:15:09 PM
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  • Your modification should allow the user to choose from NON-DENOMINATED bills, or to enter a specific denomination of their choice.  This should be implemented by having the bill artwork itself not contain the denomination - rather, the resulting code should superimpose the denomination into the correct spot onto the bill.  An example of a way to make this work is to add something into .js that modifies the DOM that was begun by bitaddress.org to include an extra text input field where the denomination can be typed.

Right now a millibit is worth about a penny.  On a computer or mobile app, we see numbers in digital form and aren't uncomfortable seeing amounts like 0.1234 BTC.    On paper currency though, there are generally only whole numbers.  

Might it make sense, now that a millibit is worth about a U.S. penny, to start using millibit as the default denomination on these paper notes?

I could see handing out as a tip, accidentally, the one printed with "50 BTC" as the amount thinking it was the note printed with "50 mBTC" that I also happened to have in my wallet.

If the base unit for these was always millibits, this would be less likey to happen.   Or possibly instead always print at least three digits after the decimal separator?  e.g., even if it is 50 BTC, the amount printed would still be printed as 50.000 BTC?

[Update: Another reason to use whole numbers.  In locales where the comma is used as the decimal separator, 12.345 BTC would be printed 12,345 BTC.]

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July 18, 2012, 04:23:33 PM
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July 18, 2012, 04:57:56 PM
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I could see handing out as a tip, accidentally, the one printed with "50 BTC" as the amount thinking it was the note printed with "50 mBTC" that I also happened to have in my wallet.

I think this is worth considering especially if bitcoin's value were to rise in the next year. I also liked the idea of printing the value in bitcoins and USD, EUR, etc. as it would make it seem more accessible to the average person and probably attract some interest.
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July 18, 2012, 05:03:09 PM
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I have pretty much assumed that bills would be printed in fractional bitcoins.  After all, it makes sense to walk around with notes of 0.1 - 1.0 BTC in your wallet, rather than 50!

Somehow, the prospect of people printing bills for amounts like 0.05 BTC is something I find to be EXCELLENT!  Reason being, people will find it weird, and then you explain to them that yep, in bitcoins there's no inflation, so printing bigger and bigger notes is not only unnecessary, it's silly, and that the notes will actually get smaller over time.  They're unzimbabwe notes!

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July 18, 2012, 05:12:50 PM
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after printing one out..

I think a bit bill should be the size of a folded bill..

And have it so that folded one specific way in half.. should hide the private key..  

Like so..  think of this as each side of the bill


 ----------------
| X                X |
|                      |     - Front
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| X                O |
|                      |      - Back
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X's being the public addy, O being the private key..

Printing it like this, with a fold in the right direction can serve to hide the key until needed..  or even seal the bill shut with any tamper evident seal if made small enough you couldnt just look inside the folded bill..  



Have it like a Mad Magazine fold in, but front to back. 1/2 the private key is on the reverse, 1/2 on the obverse. Someone would need to copy both sides of the bill to steal. Could also rip in half.

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July 18, 2012, 05:24:21 PM
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I think double-sided bills are a very bad idea.  This is intended for novice users, who rarely own printers with duplexing abilities, and who aren't accustomed to making double-sided print jobs, and the risk that they will lose their money by printing the fronts and backs out of sync and finding out about it too late is far greater than the risk that someone will take an opportune picture of their bills and steal them.  It is a hazard to recommend this.

Private keys can be protected against the risk of casual photography if needed with nothing more than a post-it note.  Or by folding the bill in half.  (if folded outward, one code can be exposed while the other remains hidden).  Or by cutting out the bill from the sheet in such a way that there remains a foldable flap to cover the private key.

Also there is something to be said about which code is on the left and which code is on the right.  Imagine some cars had their brakes on the left and others had brakes on the right.  It would be a nightmare.  There is a reason why the location of pedals is kept consistent on cars, even for countries that drive on the non-standard side of the road, and that reason applies equally well to these notes.  For maximum compatibility and minimum confusion, the Bitcoin address should always be on the left, and the spend key should always be on the right, even on bills principally printed in a right-to-left language (Arabic, Hebrew, Farsi, etc.)

Companies claiming they got hacked and lost your coins sounds like fraud so perfect it could be called fashionable.  I never believe them.  If I ever experience the misfortune of a real intrusion, I declare I have been honest about the way I have managed the keys in Casascius Coins.  I maintain no ability to recover or reproduce the keys, not even under limitless duress or total intrusion.  Remember that trusting strangers with your coins without any recourse is, as a matter of principle, not a best practice.  Don't keep coins online. Use paper wallets instead.
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July 18, 2012, 05:28:01 PM
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I regularly scan QR codes with a handheld laser scanner. This scanner uses a red laser and likely a monochrome CCD sensor.
Please carefully read the documentation of your scanner. It may be possible to get the BER (Bit Error Rate) after the scan. Almost every scanner has it stored somewhere, but the ways to get it are different for each of them.

BER is the thing to watch for when really working with high-volume scanning.

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